Greater Dragons

[hawkeye_pike]

Hi all,

what's the deal with Greater Dragons? I read the article about Greater Dragons in PvP, and although I agree that they shouldn't be used for that purpose, that's not my point. Greater Dragons are the most powerful pets and require a very high skill to control. They are meant to be powerful.

But with a Greater Dragon in tow, to my opinion there's no challenge in the game anymore. You can walk right through the most dangerous places, saying "all kill" and wait. I personally would find that kind of gameplay more than boring. I admit that those pets have their advantages when hunting peerless, but that's about the only thing I could imagine doing with a Greater Dragon.

Why would anybody play a tamer with a Greater Dragon? Don't you find that boring? What actually do you do in UO when logging in with your tamer/Greater Dragon? I'm just interested.

 

[Redxpanda]

You ever try to take on a paragon succubus or a skeletal dragon with a greater dragon? There is more to being a tamer than just walking into a dangerous place and sitting back saying "all kill."

Trust me, it took me becoming a tamer to learn to appreciate the skill.

 

[Kratos Aurion]

For accomplished vets, maybe we like to get the job done quicker

Besides theres more to taming than just saying "all kill." You still have to manage the healing and spawn control isn't always easy.

 

[legendsguy]

well, sometimes you just don't want to bother with actually playing the game. superdragons are kind of like legal scripting--a way for even the real lazy to play

 

[Farsight]

I'm just going to give the easy answer to the question:

Different strokes for different folks.

Some people like to make the difficult fights easier (note that I didn't say easy). Some people actually LIKE to farm gold or artifacts. I don't understand it, but I won't tell them their playstyle is wrong.

And anyone who says taming consists of "all kill" and nothing else either doesn't have a tamer or isn't a very good tamer.

 

[Hunters Moon]

You ever try to take on a paragon succubus or a skeletal dragon with a greater dragon? There is more to being a tamer than just walking into a dangerous place and sitting back saying "all kill."

Trust me, it took me becoming a tamer to learn to appreciate the skill.

Do Skeletal Dragons make pets go wild any more? My guess would be that they don't. You would have a better chance against a para succubus or skeletal dragon as a tamer than with any other template.

 

[hawkeye_pike]

Well, I did not want to imply that the tamer playstyle was "wrong". Neither do I want to complain about getting "uber" equipment for melee fighters to compensate (I already see a discussion starting where people are whining for new pixel-crack for all other classes). I think the available items for the melee fighters are fine. There are so many items in game that I doubt everybody really tried them all. There are at least 20 different ways of playing a fencer. I was just curious about what made some people spending that much time creating a legendary tamer (taming really is a pain the backside to train, I tried it myself).

 

[packrat]

Well, I did not want to imply that the tamer playstyle was "wrong". Neither do I want to complain about getting "uber" equipment for melee fighters to compensate (I already see a discussion starting where people are whining for new pixel-crack for all other classes). I think the available items for the melee fighters are fine. There are so many items in game that I doubt everybody really tried them all. There are at least 20 different ways of playing a fencer. I was just curious about what made some people spending that much time creating a legendary tamer (taming really is a pain the backside to train, I tried it myself).

You come on here whining like a little baby about tamers. With all of the problems in this game, that's all you have to complain about? It's not the tamers fault that there are greater dragons. Do you think they should be walking around with a jack rabbit instead?
Why don't warriors use GM armor? Or Archers use NPC bought bows? Do you think its boring wearing all that fancy armor? I bet you are the same one whining about tamers and have 50 million in arties on your paper doll.
When you start a template they offer taming. When you get the skills needed, you can tame a greater dragon and use it any way you want to. That's why tamers use them. I mostly use my archer or mage/bard. And when I use them I use the best equipment I can find. And I am sure you do the same.
Some tamers have little or no respect for other people. Just like any other template. Most of the time when there are tamers we all sit around waiting for the tamer to sick their pet on the boss or what ever bad creature we are fighting. Tamers have saved my behind a lot of times and 99% of them will rez you before anyone else will.

 

[ParadoxUO]

They still dont get your question Pike...

Maybe there isnt an answer... Dragons are Dragons... Tamers are Tamers... old school players are old school players...

Imagine Terort Skitas...
Now picture an army of players adventuring there. Fun and Wild.
Now picture an army of Dragons... Fun and Wild.

Different players, different playstyles... many of the old players wont understand why dragons exist... many of the new players that got a tamer on their first month of gameplay wont understand why dragons should not exist...

keep an open mind... people play uo in many different ways...

Adapt and try each perspective... you might even...
- learn to rp like the old community
- efficiently smash the spawn like the new hunters

and of course... in the end, balance it all so you learn what you enjoy the most... and roll with it.

FUN and WILD.

 

[Nenime]

I don't blame Hawky for questioning this. I think the answer is this:
The dev team is trying to rebuild UO by going back to Ultima roots (you can see this clearly in the Stranger storyline). Destard was a deadly place once and it sadly became a easy playground for a tweaked-out fighter using arties. Now ye found an inveterate foe.

The former developer tried to make the game more interesting by adding all kind of exotic animals, places and lots of artifacts. This led to an imbalance between high-end-content gamers and roleplayers or occasional players. Many of the latter play Tamers. It was in fact this imbalance which created the G.D.

One last word about Tamers who uses G.D. like an Arti. These Tamers bring the advantages of these animals into action and you can blame them for doing so. But the majority of Tamers (I really think so) will never give up their other pets. A G.D. is cool for certain tasks but they not the Philosopher's Stone. Just another pets. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Joyous2K]

Hi all,

what's the deal with Greater Dragons? I read the article about Greater Dragons in PvP, and although I agree that they shouldn't be used for that purpose, that's not my point. Greater Dragons are the most powerful pets and require a very high skill to control. They are meant to be powerful.

But with a Greater Dragon in tow, to my opinion there's no challenge in the game anymore. You can walk right through the most dangerous places, saying "all kill" and wait. I personally would find that kind of gameplay more than boring. I admit that those pets have their advantages when hunting peerless, but that's about the only thing I could imagine doing with a Greater Dragon.

Why would anybody play a tamer with a Greater Dragon? Don't you find that boring? What actually do you do in UO when logging in with your tamer/Greater Dragon? I'm just interested.

ANswer. Yes greater dragons are great. Why would someone use a great pet? Because it is great. DO i find using a great pet boring? No, I find it great.

You like the challenge of running away from things when you get hit hard and hiding and then healing... good, do that. That sounds not great not fun and boring.

Every single template game is running away and hiding and healing. That is how they play. Tamers play that way too if things go bad for them. That is the leet pvp skill and pvm skill - run away, hide, and heal. That is really awesome gameplay. Tamers enable all templates present to stand and fight.

 

[Prince Caspian]

You ever try to take on a paragon succubus or a skeletal dragon with a greater dragon? There is more to being a tamer than just walking into a dangerous place and sitting back saying "all kill."

Yeah, like Invising yourself and spamming the vet macro.

Or parking a Cu in the Elder Gazer room, hiding your toon outside and then going off to the movies.

 

[athlon]

Yeah, like Invising yourself and spamming the vet macro.

Or parking a Cu in the Elder Gazer room, hiding your toon outside and then going off to the movies.

And a greater dragon still cannot stand up to certain creatures like a Cu Sidhe or Rune Beetle can.

There are certain creatures that would gobble through a GD, but would be owned by a Cu or Rune.

 

[Prince Caspian]

I had the opportunity to play a tamer with a white wyrm, back when that was the flavor of the month as the pet to have. I have to admit, it wasn't all as easy as I thought. You do have to keep attention to your pet's health and it isn't as remote control as I first thought.

However, I will admit tamers make the game lopsided. With the big damage boost warrior got with AOS, we get more bite to catch up with the ungodly amounts of damage the higher end pets dish out. However, the devs forgot to balance out the damage part.

Fact is, high end pets can absorb damage that will not only utterly smite an all 70's warrior, but nail him with such overkill that his descendents have aching asses for generations.

 

[Masumatek]

I'm sick and tired of all the PvP whining about greater dragons. Greater dragons are the greatest thing to happen to this game since rune beetles. More and more people are becoming tamers because of these great pets and that's a good thing...they get to the experience the fun! Are dragons and other pets powerful? Yes. But tamers are deserving of this power. We take a longggg time to train and go through a lot of hardships to get this power. If you're so jealous, then train a tamer yourself! Clearly anyone complaining doesn't know how to PvP anyway. All you have to do is lead the pet away from the tamer! The devs don't spend enough time on tamers as it is anyway...we need these few treats they throw us. Some monsters are too difficult now to fight one on one without better pets, and I shouldn't be forced to group up with other people to fight the best monsters. It's just too bad the devs didn't spend enough time on pets and make dragons available on more colors or give us a pet dye tub. I often imagine how amazing it would look to be wearing a full suit of blaze with an awesome orange dragon with me!

 

[MoonglowMerchant]

I'm sick and tired of all the PvP whining about greater dragons. Greater dragons are the greatest thing to happen to this game since rune beetles. More and more people are becoming tamers because of these great pets and that's a good thing...they get to the experience the fun! Are dragons and other pets powerful? Yes. But tamers are deserving of this power. We take a longggg time to train and go through a lot of hardships to get this power. If you're so jealous, then train a tamer yourself! Clearly anyone complaining doesn't know how to PvP anyway. All you have to do is lead the pet away from the tamer! The devs don't spend enough time on tamers as it is anyway...we need these few treats they throw us. Some monsters are too difficult now to fight one on one without better pets, and I shouldn't be forced to group up with other people to fight the best monsters. It's just too bad the devs didn't spend enough time on pets and make dragons available on more colors or give us a pet dye tub. I often imagine how amazing it would look to be wearing a full suit of blaze with an awesome orange dragon with me!

lol Mas.