153 Venom, totem still standing. (Draconi?)

[Petrify]

Our guild has placed 153 venom sacs onto a skull totem and it's still standing. It's either a completely ridiculous amount which will never be achieved on larger shards (we have the ability to farm it because we have a small shard) or it's broken. Could anyone confirm the required amount to destroy a totem or even check? it's really getting out of hand how much venom is required.

Throughout that period we have only managed 1 small spider web as well, which seems like it too is also very very hard to acquire.

 

[Sakkarah_]

Not broken, you're more than halfway through. Small shards will have a hard time destroying them all. Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Not broken, you're more than halfway through. Small shards will have a hard time destroying them all. Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.

Is there some reward for doing so? Right now there seems an incentive for not "winning" the event (to keep the monsters spawning for those artifacts).

-Galen's player

PS: At least 2 of you posting pretty late....Are you all just up late, or are you all on the West Coast for some reason we should be made aware of?

 

[Sakkarah_]

The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing.

And no, we're all in VA. And thanks for reminding me I seriously need to get my sorry self to bed!

 

[Petrify]

The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing.

Well, I'm not going to bother now. The time it takes to get upwards of 300 is ridiculous for 0 reward.

 

[Lord_Deimos]

The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing.

Well that just aint gonna cut it....

*stops wasting time getting venom sacs*

sorry

 

[Snakeman]

Not broken, you're more than halfway through. Small shards will have a hard time destroying them all. Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.

So you are basically telling us small shards "We're Screwed & to suck it up now...." Ty for the advance notice.... And I didn't even get a Kiss (my wife at least give me a Kiss...... Sometimesrolleyes

 

[Viper09]

Well, honestly, I don't think there is a problem with not being able to get rid of the spawns in the GY's. Unless, of course, you like the RP concept
I know on my shard no one really went to the GY's prior to this publish since all but the moonglow spawn had really low-end monsters that wasn't worth the time.

 

[DHMagicMan_1]

The good news is if the Fels on Atl and other "Heavy" population shards feel the same way, they won't bother trying to destroy all the totems and force trams into Fel to complete their quest.

 

[LiberatingLuT]

I'm guessing it takes 255 sacs.

 

[sapphirediablo11]

I'm guessing it takes 255 sacs.

or 200 since MORE than 1/2 so... :O it is less than 300 more than 153 but 153 is more than 1/2 so it is a unknown variable :O hrmmm why didn't i listen to my math teacher :O

Hrmmm if there is no reward then there is no point and people will just keep them up to harvest rares,

 

[Bomb Bloke]

Not nessacerly less then 300. If 153 is "more than halfway" then a maximum of 305 is possible.

 

[Larisa]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...



Larisa is a sad panda.....

 

[Storm]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...



Larisa is a sad panda.....

I agree very sad

 

[Lord Sir Scott]

to say how much and if there was a reward. Was bad and wrong. you just killed this event by telling the secrets.

No one will ever finish it now... Bummer....

 

[sapphirediablo11]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...



Larisa is a sad panda.....

There is no reward... not even a message saying thank you, or you get a warm fuzzy feeling inside.... so if you do anything it is like it never happened and kills the history of the event, it is not (for me) about the item, it is about the history, :O

If nothing is given as proof, then nothing happened....
If something is given as proof, then people remeber it.... even if that something is really nothing, but makes the person feel although they got something... like hugging a stuff dwagon :O

 

[Kiminality]

I thought you were trying to destroy the totems to get people into Fel?

 

[Bomb Bloke]

Apparently the quest can still be completed in Trammel even if this is accomplished.

 

[sapphirediablo11]

I thought you were trying to destroy the totems to get people into Fel?

there are totems in fel aswel :O

Yea alot of people are trying that... but you need to remeber alot of people on SOME shards. are real arses, when it comes down to it... :| (i'm going to stop here to prevent a tram/fel war)

But you still don't get the fuzzy feeling

 

[Lord Drakelord]

so if we don't use our sac on this totem it will continue to summon the lich?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing.

And no, we're all in VA. And thanks for reminding me I seriously need to get my sorry self to bed!

*sighs*

Thanks for telling us.....

You do realize this means the job's never gonna be done now, right?

-Galen's player

 

[sapphirediablo11]

if the event ends and the totems are still there will they remain or just magically disapear??

 

[Pawain]

Time to mark this day in history!

People are complaining because the UO employees are giving out too much information!

Tell us more Regine! NOOO dont tell us too much! You have a job that I dont envy.

 

[Mr Moosestache]

Well, I'm not going to bother now. The time it takes to get upwards of 300 is ridiculous for 0 reward.

This is the reason though man, that PvP, and the game in general is dieing so quick. This sort of attitude has people only caring to do anything if they can get some sort of pretty pixel, etc. out of it.

This isn't exactly directed at you because I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that you had the same basic plan for them as we did (Drawing people into Fel), and I don't see that happening.

In all honesty though, people don't PvP anymore, unless it's for some sort of super item. Nobody fights for a fight, I've offered countless even # fights at Wrong, etc. to people on our shard. I've attempted to put together a shard wide war for EVERYONE to participate in (We broke out entire guild apart and drew names of everyone that wanted to participate and made four teams. It was fun, but there was incessant pancakes and entire guilds who didn't participate. Instead those certain guilds instead of participating, they took this as a great time to try and sneak off spawns (YAY! ITEMS!)...they died.

I mean take this post as an example (This isn't really PvP based, but it's as relevant as any), pulled out of the "What did you do to Europa!?" thread:

o yea great thanks for wasting my time!
at least some kind of gift as compensation for loss would be nice i mean all that event **** i lost, not to mention the time i spend and the red eyes i got from playin a night straight

THINGS HAPPEN PEOPLE! COME ON! Maybe I'm just used to the old ways of before Tram days, but man, things happen. Servers break, things don't always go your way. Suck it up, go out and try again. Instead people pancake, whine and ask for "prety pixels" to make up for things nobody can control. It doesn't even seem as though these people play for fun anymore, it's like pixel crack. Wtf!?

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I just wish UO would get smart and make a few old school UO shards (Pre UOR, UO:R, Pub 16), it really is the only way to save the game in a way now. Keep the current shards and the current progress on SA, but give the people who actually want to just fight a shard where people feel the same (and no Siege is just a step behind other shards, it's not "old school"). This kind of logic people have now of ,"OH LOOK PRETTY COLORS! MUST HAVE! FEL!? I REFUSE TO DO THAT! I WILL pancake UNTIL IT IS IN TRAM TOO!", is ridiculous!!

I'm glad the "rewards" missed the boat, it has the point of people doing stuff just to do them again, but it seems people just don't play that way anymore. It's sad.

Sakk, do you know anything regarding them bringing EM's back and if they are accepting current players to do so? Or if they actually plan to do Fel based events (These have been severely lacking.). Atlantic isn't the same by the way.

Oh, and the faction aids, are by far overpowered for dexxers and a minimal help for mages (most mages do not have 80 dex =<).

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

Wish I'd known before using mine.

 

[Sakkarah_]

Time to mark this day in history!

People are complaining because the UO employees are giving out too much information!

Tell us more Regine! NOOO dont tell us too much! You have a job that I dont envy.

Thank you for reassuring me that I wasn't the only one getting conflicting feedback from the players! But I still love my job, so it's all good!

Sakk, do you know anything regarding them bringing EM's back and if they are accepting current players to do so? Or if they actually plan to do Fel based events (These have been severely lacking.). Atlantic isn't the same by the way.

Everyone is welcomed to apply for the EM positions. Mesanna will be providing more details shortly about the recruitment process. As for content, the EMs will be helping ramp up the events leading to the launch of SA, among other things. And obviously we want all playstyles to be included. But that is as much info as I can give for the time being.

Oh, and the faction aids, are by far overpowered for dexxers and a minimal help for mages (most mages do not have 80 dex =<).

Aside from a handful of people in the thread about the bandages, I really haven't gotten any significant feedback from the players asking for a nerf to justify it. As stated before, I am opened to a rebalancing but it has to be a consensus from the majority. So far, people seem ok with them. Even the Faction Forums are quiet about it...

 

[Xel Naga]

Everyone is welcomed to apply for the EM positions. Mesanna will be providing more details shortly about the recruitment process. As for content, the EMs will be helping ramp up the events leading to the launch of SA, among other things. And obviously we want all playstyles to be included. But that is as much info as I can give for the time being.

Are the hired required to work in the Fairfaix HQ or is this telecommunications job we can do out of state?

 

[Mr Moosestache]

Aside from a handful of people in the thread about the bandages, I really haven't gotten any significant feedback from the players asking for a nerf to justify it. As stated before, I am opened to a rebalancing but it has to be a consensus from the majority. So far, people seem ok with them. Even the Faction Forums are quiet about it...

Yeah, I think that it has a lot to do with this Halloween event. I think we will be seeing a lot more posts regarding factions when this event is over, or people lose interest.

 

[Sakkarah_]

Are the hired required to work in the Fairfaix HQ or is this telecommunications job we can do out of state?

You can work remotely. No relocating required.

I think we will be seeing a lot more posts regarding factions when this event is over

That's fine. We'll cross that bridge when we get there

 

[Nexus]

Aside from a handful of people in the thread about the bandages, I really haven't gotten any significant feedback from the players asking for a nerf to justify it. As stated before, I am opened to a rebalancing but it has to be a consensus from the majority. So far, people seem ok with them. Even the Faction Forums are quiet about it...

Of course most aren't, they don't want to loose their toys.

 

[Kiminality]

Are the hired required to work in the Fairfaix HQ or is this telecommunications job we can do out of state?

You can work remotely. No relocating required.

International? Or US only?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

The intended rewards missed the boat, so no rewards other than knowing you did the "right" RP thing.

No chance of putting the reward in the boat?

I mean honestly it seems to me like simple common sense.

-Galen's player

 

[Sakkarah_]

I mean honestly it seems to me like simple common sense.

Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

International? Or US only?

International too

 

[D'Amavir]

Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

The part where you put out a system that encourages people to do something on one facet in order to try to force people do go to another facet. Knowing that something like that would lead to bad feelings between the two sides is definitely common sense.

Also the part where you add something to the game that you first claim

I gave the Totems sufficient HP that it's unlikely any shard will have all their totems destroyed unless absolutely everyone uses their venom sacs on them.

then say something like

Heavy population shards should have np destroying them all assuming people chose to use their venom sacs.

So, which is it? Is it unlikely or will it be no problem? I assume np stands for no problem. In your world it might stand for no possibilityof so you might not have contradicted yourself so blatantly. That's one reason I steer away from most of the lazy net typing habits most use these days. Especially if I am representing the company I work for while talking to the paying customers that keep that company afloat.

Common sense indeed.

 

[Mr Moosestache]

Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

Thank you.

 

[Lord_Deimos]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...



Larisa is a sad panda.....

Do you realize how much time and effort it takes to get that many venom sacs?? Especially on a big shard where not everyone is even using the things....

I would LOVE to force people to go to fel.....But the amount of time it would take to destroy all the tram totems.......the event will be over by then.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Which part? That citizens should want to rid their graveyards of an unholy infestation or that they should only want to do it if there's something materialistic in it for them? I always thought that the sense of accomplishment that comes from our perseverance was a reward in itself.

The part that says business people who have been selling a product for 11 years should know their customers.

There'll maybe be a handful of us who will work this for RP alone. Yes, I am one of them. So if your implication is directed at me.....You haven't been reading very closely.

But guess what? I was just in the spider room. There were people there working the lesser spider spawns for whatever it is that they carry and ignoring the boss spider. There's no reason to get venom sacs anymore.

You all didn't learn from Magincia I guess, when people were luring Light Daemons into the buildings with the intent of destroying them, and threatening to page GMs on those of us who were fighting them.

And in that instance, a good case could be made that the rewards from killing the Light Daemons (Vorpal Blades, Staffs of Pyros were still worth a few hundred k each at the time) were potentially worth more than the rewards from blowing up the buildings (the prices on the vast majority of rubble pieces had dropped substantially). It's just that the relationship wasn't as direct, so people still didn't do the "right" thing.

And in this case, you've specifically stated that there's no reward for doing the right thing.

Now I'm not criticizing you for telling us that.

I'm criticizing the design decision to reward keeping the spawn going, and not reward stopping it.

Common sense.

*shrugs*

I've dropped 6 venom sacs on the Jhelom Totem. There's a minimum of 154 sacs needed, probably closer to 300.

I'm never getting there by myself, and no one's going to help, or few people will, and it's because of a flawed business design that doesn't know the customer base it's pitching to.

Do you play this game, Regine?

Yes, for me the RP of doing the right thing is enough. Do I need to say that again? However, there aren't enough of us left to matter. If you played the game you'd know that.

-Galen's player

 

[JC the Builder]

Our guild was pooling our Venom Sacs to try and destroy one. We've lost all interest in that goal now considering Venom Sacs are selling for 1-2 million each and there is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing this. That is over 200 million worth of items to just stop a spawn that we actually want to do.

 

[Sakkarah_]

So, which is it? Is it unlikely or will it be no problem? I assume np stands for no problem. In your world it might stand for no possibilityof so you might not have contradicted yourself so blatantly.

Simple:

1. Heavy population shards will have no problem destroying their totems if they invest the time and turn in all (or at least the majority of) the venom sacs. In another words, the amount of sacs needed isn't an astronomical, impossible to reach amount. But also not so low as to give players who didn't take part on day one a chance to actually do the quest.

2. Is it likely to happen every totem will be destroyed? I don't think so because for various reasons, a non-negligible number of players will decide not to use them.

So in short, it's not because something is possible (and this is quite possible) that it's necessarily likely to happen.

Do you play this game, Regine?

Yes, for me the RP of doing the right thing is enough. Do I need to say that again? However, there aren't enough of us left to matter. If you played the game you'd know that.

As a matter of fact I do, though I mostly PvP. But I and many others have been turning in our poison sacs. And while it is true that players all want the new shinies (and I'm no different), what I've also seen and experienced first hand is complete strangers going out of their way to rez me after Sicarii chewed me up. People from rival guilds joining forces with me to clear the graveyards or helping me back to my corpse that was being camped by shadow fiends.

What I've also seen, is some people handing over their extra gossamer to help someone else complete their web deed instead of selling it for 5 mil a pop in Luna, like I've seen on my home shard.

I have faith that a lot more players than people may think will do "the right thing". I'm not sure that any shard will have destroyed them all, but I believe we will see a number of destroyed totems. Especially on Nov 16 as a few people already said they were only going to user theirs at the end.

 

[Demonous]

hmm... why not give us the exact amount of venom sacs needed to destroy skull totems

 

[Shot]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Actually, having to kill that spider thingie over and over again gets a bit boring don't you think? There are far more interesting things to do RP wise.

Besides, for most people if they want to kill something hard they might as well kill the skel liches and at least have a chance at some pixel crack. Why kill something that gets you nothing and destroys the thing that was giving you something? heehee

 

[Lord Drakelord]

so if we don't use our sac on this totem it will continue to summon the lich?

Reason I am asking this question is on Sonoma I own the large tower across from the Yew GY [Tram side] and if this totem remains, will it continue to summon this lich to this area? I want to keep the one sac I got as a reminder of the event since I already gave the web deed to our Guild museum. And I had enough of the large spider event to make my day, been trick or treating to get small webs for all my freinds that do not have GM beggars.

So am I going to wake up to this lich every morning asking for a cup of sugar and blood if the totem remains?

 

[Lore Master]

I thought you were trying to destroy the totems to get people into Fel?

I have news for you even if all the skull totems are destroyed in tram we can still finish the quest in tram as long as we already got the green parchment. i already did that with each of my 21 characters so now i can take my time up until november 17th.

 

[gjohnson5]

Wow....so you guys are sayin that just because you're not getting shiny toys at the end you're not gonna do anything??

Sad, and pathetic *sighs* Not surprising though, and one of the reasons I haven't been playin so much.....it's very discouraging to see people play only for the rewards and not just to play...



Larisa is a sad panda.....

When did people start working for free????

 

[sapphirediablo11]

Sorry this may sound dumb, but what requirements will you be looking for, for someone who would wish to apply?

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Our guild was pooling our Venom Sacs to try and destroy one. We've lost all interest in that goal now considering Venom Sacs are selling for 1-2 million each and there is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing this. That is over 200 million worth of items to just stop a spawn that we actually want to do.

Any way you can tell Regine this? She's not listening to me.

-Galen's player

 

[Mr Moosestache]

Since when is playing a video game work?

I don't know about you but normally if I don't care to do something in a video game, I just don't do it. Seems pretty stupid to me for people to pancake about "working for free" in a GAME. Nobody is tieing you to the quest and forcing you to do this.

 

[sapphirediablo11]

Since when is playing a video game work?

I don't know about you but normally if I don't care to do something in a video game, I just don't do it. Seems pretty stupid to me for people to pancake about "working for free" in a GAME. Nobody is tieing you to the quest and forcing you to do this.

To some people UO is their second life(trademarked but it is like another life for them...)

So just doing XXXX is work since it is the only thing they can do...

 

[JC the Builder]

Any way you can tell Regine this? She's not listening to me.

-Galen's player

Well she already said they planned to do something with destroying the skull totems but didn't have the time. It is unfortunate because there is no real reason to finish this quest now because the spawn ends on November 17 regardless.

It wouldn't be too late to do some type of bonus for a shard based on how many they destroy. Like they did with the Britain Invasion statues.

 

[Haddy G]

To some people UO is their second life(trademarked but it is like another life for them...)

So just doing XXXX is work since it is the only thing they can do...

That's pretty pathetic. Glad I have other things to do