returning vet

[haladrigis]

Hail! its been about 5-6 years since the last time i played this game. i wasjust wondering what kind of pets tamers are going after now days? i've seen the greater dragons so im deff going to get one of those. i used to run around with a nightmare and WW combo. what are the good combos of pets now? whats the minum lvl of taming required to tame a grater dragon? whats the min taming/lore to have a greater dragon transfered to you? and last but not least where are good hunting spots for tamers? im looking to make money weather it be by selling items or collecing gold. thanks in advance!

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

If you are a Starting all Over Returnee, you may want to consider creating the best Melee character you can make.

Go to Despise first level (Stairs up) and kick the crap out of the Lizard Men. Make sure you skin them. Make sure you cut the hides into cut hides.

Now bank them, go to the trader forum on Stratics here for your shard and offer those hides up for sale.

If you put gold into a Pack Animal(1600 stones of items), just make sure you can keep it safe and alive.

 

[Wenchkin]

Hail! its been about 5-6 years since the last time i played this game. i wasjust wondering what kind of pets tamers are going after now days? i've seen the greater dragons so im deff going to get one of those. i used to run around with a nightmare and WW combo. what are the good combos of pets now? whats the minum lvl of taming required to tame a grater dragon? whats the min taming/lore to have a greater dragon transfered to you? and last but not least where are good hunting spots for tamers? im looking to make money weather it be by selling items or collecing gold. thanks in advance!

If you're returning with a tamer character, you're looking at 110-115 taming and lore really. 115 more for full control of fire steeds and dread war horses, but most pets should obey at 110. If you look up the post list on this forum for the post about a control calculator, that will let you punch in your skills and those for the pet of choice and figure out how much control you'll have.

I'd suggest that while you're training, you could bond a pair of bake kitsume, as you only need about 85 taming to control them fully, and they'd be good pets for hunting to gather gold. They're both strong with decent resists and do a lot of damage too. Which makes them a great pet while you're finding your feet. Then once you're back into the swing of taming, you could try finding a rune beetle. Runeys match up well with a nightmare or kitsune, and they're great for dishing out poison

Next I'd suggest choosing either a hiryu or cu sidhe as a pet which has more tanking ability. I like hiryu because they can tank but also deal out the damage too. The cu sidhe however are better at simply taking damage, as they can self heal and occasionally heal their owners too (but can't resurrect). They're good in situations if you were hunting with another tamer with say a runey/kitsune combo and you wanted a good tank pet to take the damage while the others killed it. Cu's on their own don't do a huge amount of damage, they'll get there in the end, but I prefer them with companions. Having both is good, but it depends on your stable space

Then I'd work taming up till you can handle pets like the greater dragon and dread war horse. Though the latter isn't currently spawning, which may or may not be a permanent thing.

As for hunting spots, I'm not sure where to start. There are stacks of places where you could try hunting, but it's a case of matching up your pet of choice to the foe they're best suited to fighting.

One you may remember and your old pets could handle are blood elementals in shame or ilshenar. You may need to do a quick nose around the stratics hunters guide pages to find guides to the new areas and dungeons. Then you'll be able to see what spawns there and get an idea of how tough they are. You can also try wandering around places and lore monsters before you set a pet on them But feed all your pets just as you claim them from the stables to ensure they're bonded with you. Then if you and the pet die, you can at least resurrect it. It's worth taking time to figure out what your pets can do, getting your macros in order for vetting things and the like before you jump into busy areas.

There's all sorts of changes to taming that I don't want to bog you down with tips, but I'm not sure what all to advise because you've maybe read about a lot of things already

Might be worth mentioning what shard you're playing too, as some tamers like myself can help you out in game too.

Wenchy

 

[haladrigis]

thanks for all the info guys! so far i have my pure WW,jet black mare, bake kitsume, and my lesser kyru, with the hyru should i go for the lesser or the bigger one? im just waiting to get tamiung high enough to tame a greater drag and ill be set. right now my taming is 83 base and lore is 109 base with jewelry on i have 107 taming, and the shard i play is atlantic if you guys play that shard and would like a new noobie buddy let me know

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

thanks for all the info guys! so far i have my pure WW,jet black mare, bake kitsume, and my lesser kyru, with the hyru should i go for the lesser or the bigger one? im just waiting to get tamiung high enough to tame a greater drag and ill be set. right now my taming is 83 base and lore is 109 base with jewelry on i have 107 taming, and the shard i play is atlantic if you guys play that shard and would like a new noobie buddy let me know

Bah, with the taming (107) and Lore (109) you can handle a Greater.

Lesser is of no real value to you vs the regular Hiryu.

If I were you, I would play the game and spend time at the Jeholm(sp) Bull Pits with no Taming Jewelry on. Take your gains as you get them. When you hit 85 or so and they seem to be slowing down go do the Ridgebacks (with the jewelry on) in Ilshenar. In Both cases take the Killer you can control (Bake for Bulls, Cu for Ridgebacks). If you dont have a Cu, get some one to tame one for you they are not that hard to tame.

 

[Wenchkin]

I wouldn't try taming a greater drag with just 107 taming, they're tough gits at that level, especially if you didn't have honour or peace to keep you alive for the attempts. Even if you did, I wouldn't try before 110 at the very least. It's taken me a while sometimes with 120 taming, especially with the stronger greaters, so I'd recommend a group of friends helping with heals while you try it if you try now. Otherwise you'll get a lot of "you seem to anger the beast" and a lot of damage hitting you while you wait for the blue text to begin.

You could get a greater dragon transferred to you, but it would still be at great risk of going wild if you accidentally commanded it without jewellery until your real skill passes the minimum taming requirement. Which is a very easy mistake - I tried that with a younger tamer and found it was too instinctive saying "all follow me" before I got to my corpse if they were in danger, and a few failed commands rapidly lowers a pet's loyalty. So it's possible, but you should be aware of the risks. I don't want anyone losing their first greater draggy because of a jewellery mishap

I'd recommend greater harts for training taming at healers grove in Ilshenar. Just set them to kill the healers once you've tamed 'em and there's a good steady spawn there too. Ridgebacks from 105 ish worked well for me, but you can also try boosting with jewels to that level if you like. I held back from ridgies until I had to go there, because the gains really slowed past GM, and you start seeing the gits in your sleep

Wenchy

 

[WidowMak3r]

i would suggest getting some tribal paint and going to the savage camp with around 101 taming with the jewelry u have and tame ridge backs can do that with what ur at if u want shouldnt be to bad i did that from about 85 and im at 96 base now so it works just god awful boring

 

[pavel.vesely]

You can use alternative animals/monsters to train like greater mongbats, lava lizards, or dire wolves to train. Even if they are agressive, all are slow and has no magic and what is most important, none are camped like bulls and ridgebacks. Yes, and you can look at beef at your plate and not throw up.

 

[5% Luck]

It may take a while but you could attempt a tame and if angered area peace and repeat until you start taming. then just invisi every time words come over your head. Works like a charm with very little danger. It is slow though but safe!

 

[haladrigis]

wow thanks for all the replies! ive ben hard at work taming now up to 107 still havent got a G drag but do have a nice pure white wyrm and a jet black mare.

had a few questions concerning my temp. as of now i am aiming for this
taming 115
lore 115
vet 100
magery 95
music 100
peace 100
now with this temp i have 75 points left over..how important is it to have 120 peace and music? i really want to go with discordance but i from what i hear peacemaking is good to have for taming/hunting any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

wow thanks for all the replies! ive ben hard at work taming now up to 107 still havent got a G drag but do have a nice pure white wyrm and a jet black mare.

had a few questions concerning my temp. as of now i am aiming for this
taming 115
lore 115
vet 100
magery 95
music 100
peace 100
now with this temp i have 75 points left over..how important is it to have 120 peace and music? i really want to go with discordance but i from what i hear peacemaking is good to have for taming/hunting any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

I am prejudiced to Peacemaking so take the following accordingly.

Music does not need to be 120, but Peacemaking does.

You can basically forget peacing the Greater Dragon or discording it.

BUT with music 120/peace 120 and either an exceptional instrument or a properly aligned instrument, you can pretty much cause every thing short of the Greater Dragon to stay in place while you tame it. The Cu is a problem but far less of a problem than with out peace, every thing else is to stoped cold.

You can also peace the mob your pet is fighting and it will just freeze and take it.

You can also are peace and get of jail free.

 

[haladrigis]

ok whats the diff in having 100 vet and 120 vet? so dragons cant be disco'd? what about blood elementals,ogre lords, demons? ill only have 75 points to put into disco is it even worth it? oh and thanks for the replies you have been very helpful.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

ok whats the diff in having 100 vet and 120 vet? so dragons cant be disco'd? what about blood elementals,ogre lords, demons? ill only have 75 points to put into disco is it even worth it? oh and thanks for the replies you have been very helpful.

All those guys (for me at 120 peace) are a sure thing for about 1 minute or more.

The difference is 2 Pet Slots. (The Vet question)

I am not saying they can not be disco'd I am saying that as far as I know peace and disco have the same chance to fail/succed. Based on that assumption, I would not bet my life on being able to Disco a Greater, Ancient etc.

All the rest? Sure they tend to be sure things.

Also not all Greaters will generate a 160 Bard Difficulty but the ones that don't are ... well not all that exciting.

Just for reference, the worse case I have ever had was taming a mediocre (by my now standards) Greater. I have a Flute of renewal with +20 to bard success.

I had 120 Taming.

The Flute of Renewal recharges back to 300 uses.

This particular GD took 157 Barding attempts to tame. Had it reached 200 I would have just killed it.

 

[Wenchkin]

wow thanks for all the replies! ive ben hard at work taming now up to 107 still havent got a G drag but do have a nice pure white wyrm and a jet black mare.

had a few questions concerning my temp. as of now i am aiming for this
taming 115
lore 115
vet 100
magery 95
music 100
peace 100
now with this temp i have 75 points left over..how important is it to have 120 peace and music? i really want to go with discordance but i from what i hear peacemaking is good to have for taming/hunting any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Barding skills tend to really require that you have a lot of skill points invested in order to bard the good stuff. Which becomes a royal pain in a tamer bard template because you have the need for 110 taming skill for pet control and 120 barding if you want a crack at barding anything that's bardable.

With a tamer, ensure your real skill gives you control of the pets you want, then the rest goes to barding.

With magery, I find that as long as I can cast essential things like recall, heal and invis, my bard tamers weren't too concerned above that level. You could pull some skill from your magery, and drop real taming skills to 110 for a bit more.

To figure out which of disco and peace is better, it's often better to try them out and get a feel for them. Peace will stop something fighting but wears off after a short time and can be broken sooner than that if the mob is fighting. Some folks swear by it for helping them tame, personally I find it's just as simple to beat a pet down to low health and lead tame. I always found peace wore off right when I least needed it, so never warmed to it.

Disco lowers the critter's skills for as long as you're within range and visible, in other words, no timer and it won't break mid fight. It also shows up with sparklies around the mob to indicate they're discorded. For those reasons I rate disco 10 times higher than peace. You know for sure if something is disco'd and that it won't suddenly pop and result in a dead pet. Disco is also great for training your pets, as you can lower their skills and enable them to gain faster when fighting appropriate mobs.

If you can't decide on one over the other, it's possible to fit both in, but I would suggest instead that you soulstone between the two skills if possible. Then you can swap between the two without doing too much damage to your template

But I'd suggest hopping on the test centre shard, producing some exceptional instruments and trying both skills out to see for yourself.

Wenchy

 

[haladrigis]

thank you for the input the soulstone idea is very good so im thinking of doing that plus im doing the whole honor thing which works better than peace. i found a ssite that i can buy a soulstone if i want does my account have to one year old in order to use the soulstones? from what i understand the red ones have no charges but you have to be one year old to use them and the other colored soulstones have 10 charges the fragments have 5? is this correct? the only way i could do the soulstone idea is to buy a blue or green one which only has 10 charges and can not be recharged there is soooo much to get caught up on my head is going to pop! ok i just read this as well and have some questions. as far as the honorable combat that means i have to use my magery to gain in honor? this is going to be hard because i have no eval int so my spells do not do much dmg. there a strategy to gain in honor as a tamer with no eval int??

Honorable combat is defined as:

* Allowing your opponent to damage you first.
* Engaging in one-on-one combat.
* Not using ranged weapons, unless you stay in the same spot where you honored your opponent, or you only damage your opponent while adjacent to them.
* Not allowing your pets or summoned creatures to help you during the battle.
* Avoiding the use of poison.



To engage an opponent in honorable combat, your opponent:

* Must be one that you can perform negative actions upon.
* Must be at full health.
* Must not already be honored by a nearby player.
* Must be close to you, in your line-of-sight, and have a clear path to you

 

[Farsight]

I can't answer your soulstone questions, but I can answer about honor.
Honor does not work as advertised.

The procedure for gaining honor goes like this:
-Honor your opponent
-"all kill"
-Make sure your pet doesn't die
-Gain honor

I've heard people say that you gain less honor by using a pet than by not using a pet, but you still gain honor when you use your pets (or archery, or poison, or teamwork, or you damage it first). The amount of honor you gain is based on the fame level of whatever you kill, so you gain almost no honor for a mongbat, but you can get knight of honor by killing succubi. To get used to the honor process and get yourself to follower, I would suggest going to your favorite fame spawn and start working up your honor there. Later on, you'll want to work balrons or succubus or named Mondain's Legacy monsters to get to really high levels of honor.

Each time you use honor on yourself (and then get ignored by monsters), you lose an entire point (the little blue dots in the status screen) of honor, which takes minutes to replace at low levels or a long time to replace at high levels. I typically leave myself in the low levels of Follower of Honor (the second-highest tier) and honor myself as frequently as I need to, never worrying about farming to replace honor, yet honoring whatever I hunt as long as I'm not working in groups.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

thank you for the input the soulstone idea is very good so im thinking of doing that plus im doing the whole honor thing which works better than peace. i found a ssite that i can buy a soulstone if i want does my account have to one year old in order to use the soulstones? from what i understand the red ones have no charges but you have to be one year old to use them and the other colored soulstones have 10 charges the fragments have 5? is this correct? the only way i could do the soulstone idea is to buy a blue or green one which only has 10 charges and can not be recharged there is soooo much to get caught up on my head is going to pop! ok i just read this as well and have some questions. as far as the honorable combat that means i have to use my magery to gain in honor? this is going to be hard because i have no eval int so my spells do not do much dmg. there a strategy to gain in honor as a tamer with no eval int??

Honorable combat is defined as:

* Allowing your opponent to damage you first.
* Engaging in one-on-one combat.
* Not using ranged weapons, unless you stay in the same spot where you honored your opponent, or you only damage your opponent while adjacent to them.
* Not allowing your pets or summoned creatures to help you during the battle.
* Avoiding the use of poison.



To engage an opponent in honorable combat, your opponent:

* Must be one that you can perform negative actions upon.
* Must be at full health.
* Must not already be honored by a nearby player.
* Must be close to you, in your line-of-sight, and have a clear path to you

The choice to have taming, lore be natural levels is just that a choice.

It does not confer any special abilities or success if they are.

Jewelry works just fine and the only down side is the need to remember to have it on.

In the Honor definition you gave above,

" * Allowing your opponent to damage you first."

Is not applicable for a Tamer+Pet.

This is the macro I have set up to gain in Honor. It is based on memory and you can either scroll through the post here or I can get you the actual commands.

I first dbl click the Mob to set the "Current Target"

HotKey Macro is as follows

InvokeVirtue Honor
Waitfortarget
CurrentTarget
Delay 10
Say All Kill
WaitforTarget
CurrentTarget

I am about 80% sure the above is the right combination and sequence.

Do NOT Peace the Mob before or during the fight as you most certainly will not get Honor.

 

[uoBuoY]

As a Tamer you simply gain Honor slower than templates that allow the critter to attack first.

From my own careless experience: be careful targetting Honor. I have occaisionly had a critter spawn just over my char's head and I click on my last words instead of the critter. That uses one of your Honor dots!

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

As a Tamer you simply gain Honor slower than templates that allow the critter to attack first.

From my own careless experience: be careful targetting Honor. I have occaisionly had a critter spawn just over my char's head and I click on my last words instead of the critter. That uses one of your Honor dots!

Yeah .... I have done that more than once. Hence why my macro depends on the mob being targeted already.