Maybe you should not be so close to them? Maybe you should pick another fighting skill if it bothers you so much? Disarming with a bow is a bit too far fetched and a bit too unfair.
Of course I try not to be so close!!! But being chased around by a dexxer I"m gonna get hit once in awhile, it's just the way it is. I mean they gotta have a fair chance eh?
Supposedly there is no difference in chance to hit for an archer than there is for a melee template. However, with over 40 HCI and about the same DCI, plus HLD on M&S glasses, I have a much tougher time hitting than do melee templates.
UBWS doesn't work for archers because the bow is not concidered a melee weapon.
If I were to do that, I'd just as soon become a swords/archer or fencing/archer and have available the full range of specials.
I had one of thse but with a uber Ornate Axe instead... Pwnage
Well was this i changed him to pure archer..
Doesnt work with archery does it?
No Parry? Doesn't Bushido work with 2-handed weapons (archery weapons)?
I can't bother elaborating or hi-jacking the thread.Owned!A few things to know.
As an archer you should be using a Warfork with HLD, Spell and Damage Increase at the least, so you can disarm first and perhaps even Bleed the target.
You can then hunt them down with Moving Shot and repeat the procedure if they decide to re-arm.
If you get disarmed first you are not doing your job as an archer very well, and you should run. Unless the other guy is an archer you should be having little problems.
If someone's running towards you with bad intentions kite them with Moving Shot.
A property that is very nice in today's combat where everyone's over-cap DCI is HIT LOWER ATTACK. People cannot afford to run around with much more than 45-50 HCI and DCI 50+ or they are seriously set back in Resistances, Health, Mana, whatnot.
Mages are a different story- they have ranged damage like you, never miss, heal excellently and need no HCI. Also disarm does not affect them since their weapons are their fists, although they do disarm with them.
Missing often is your own bad luck, sorry. There have been numerous threads and an official response regarding archery's hit chance. It's not broken.
All this would normally indicate some unfairness in the food chain of PvP but don't let it bother you eh?
*EDIT* Oh and to answer some of your arguments :
"But being chased around by a Dexxer I"m gonna get hit once in awhile, it's just the way it is. I mean they gotta have a fair chance eh?"
You would think it would be this way. It's not.
"But why is it so unfair if I disarm them from a distance? I mean right now, I simply can not compete against a melee Dexxer using disarm as an archer. It's sad that to be told to 'change templates'. Why isn't it fair to balance the game so I can play the template I worked so hard and spent so much gold on to compete with?"
You're serious??! Okay I am trying not to laugh now. Real hard.
"The answer is Mind Rot."
No it's not, there are cheaper and easier ways. Unless you enjoy the template. No argument there.
"However, with over 40 HCI and about the same DCI, plus HLD on M&S glasses, I have a much tougher time hitting than do melee templates."
I sometimes miss so much in a row with 45 Hci, 120 Weapon that I curse in real life. It's NOT BROKEN. Consider also that some melee types have Bushido/Parry 120, and to top it off can turn on Evasion. This is a nightmare situation in which you are best to flee and wait. Evasion has a cool-down of 20".
"Dexxers already hit harder and faster than an archer does."
False. 100% false.
"Dexxers can hit on the run, archers must use a special to do the same."
If you allow a melee template to connect hits on the run you're either too slow with your reaction time, too slow connection, too slow computer or have absolutely no clue about PvP. Or simply have never heard of Moving Shot and the myriad ways to get over the mana cost which is small anyway, and the supposed 'penalties'. Again no offense.
"AS it is, when I come up against a Dexxer who is using disarm I simply have Para-blow him or just plain run as there is no chance of me killing him while he can disarm me and heal before I get enough damage done."
The healing part you can also have. And haven't you heard, BALANCED BOWS? And you probably haven't seen a pot-chugging mage in action if you think bandies are evil. Anyway for the rest of what you mention just check the other answers. And many dexxers who have NO Bushido are forced to run WITHOUT a shield anyway just to drink pots fast as possible.
"I don't care if I get Disarm on a bow, but until Disarm is fixed, I will continue to simply avoid Disarmers 1v1, it's a waste of my game time."
Exactly what I say. Disarm/Dismount = No-No for me.. Melee, Mage or Archers. Gimpest moves ever, and gimpest part of the game including potions. Irony that it's mostly ARCHERS spamming me Disarm/Dismount.
As a side note you say you've spent enough gold for an uber suit.. Yet you have all those problems and cannot chain Moving Shots. I have to be suspicious here.. ;Pp
Kith you cannot risk the integrity of the bow and its parts like the string or whatever it's called, to block a couple of blows. Besides all archers had a close-range weapon in real life for a reason. And the Halberd Vs. Dagger fight is about distance. Learn some real life PvP?
So many people missed the entire point of the thread(especially the 'sick' people)
If by "true warrior" you mean no mage/necro/ninja/bushi, then any experienced archer should be able to eat a marginally equipped one alive.
Probably the most powerful (discounting tamers) - welcome to the concept of swings-and-roundabouts: Choose fantastic offence, or fantastic defence, or Jack of all trades.
Parry seems to be a reasonable counter to the fact that an archer can attack from half a screen away.
Surely, the whole point of PvP is to win the fight? What better way to increase your chances of victory than to limit your opponents' damage-dealing?
Are you just bitter because post AoS newbs have learned to play their characters well?
I guess that many of the disarm warriors would say that they have a good chance of getting a 1vs1 kill, using the special-moves available to them. (Unless, of course, their opponent is an archer who knows what he's doing)
OK - that's reasonable
Why? A lot of killer archers seem to find this rather effective.
Absolutely !!!!
What is your definition of "gimp"??
Nobody NEEDS disarm.
Like "dismount with a bow"?
Dismount with bow, balanced and moving shot are all worse than disarm IMO.
It may be an old cliche, but it is just so true and works very well in almost every complaint about certain things such as tamers, etc.
If by "true warrior" you mean no mage/necro/ninja/bushi, then any experienced archer should be able to eat a marginally equipped one alive.
Probably the most powerful (discounting tamers) - welcome to the concept of swings-and-roundabouts: Choose fantastic offence, or fantastic defence, or Jack of all trades.
Parry seems to be a reasonable counter to the fact that an archer can attack from half a screen away.
It also costs 100+ points to be anywhere near effective.
or perhaps a paraphrase...
Surely, the whole point of PvP is to win the fight? What better way to increase your chances of victory than to limit your opponents' damage-dealing?
In an organised duel, yes, disarm is lame, but in the field, where anything goes, and everybody should be using their specials to their best advantage, disarm is a vaid tactic.
Are you just bitter because post AoS newbs have learned to play their characters well?
I guess that many of the disarm warriors would say that they have a good chance of getting a 1vs1 kill, using the special-moves available to them. (Unless, of course, their opponent is an archer who knows what he's doing)
OK - that's reasonable
Why? A lot of killer archers seem to find this rather effective.
Absolutely !!!!
There's no such thing as a scribe-mage or a non-parry weapon mage.
What is your definition of "gimp"??
I would suggest that is ought to be something like "a skillset against which no other skillset has a reasonable chance of victory."
If an archer always loses to a (your words) "true warrior", then they are possibly not a terribly good archer.
Nobody NEEDS disarm.
Nobody NEEDS balanced bows.
Nobody NEEDS dismount.
These special moves are all available to those who have the equipment necessary. I hate to fall back on an old cliche, but if you don't like it - adapt.
Like "dismount with a bow"?
Like "we'll give archers 1-handed bows so they can chug"?
Like "velocity"?
Like moving shot?