[UO Herald] FoF: Party On

[D'Amavir]

You didn't say this?

"You may not realize this, but pvp does not always equal factions. Nor does it always equal fel gate fighting. Some people actually pvp in Trammel in guild wars."

Yes, I did say that. And that still doesn't explain what point you were trying to make. If you can't explain it any clearer, that's fine. But posting what I said isn't going to help anyone better understand what you said.

I don't know who 'both of your guilds' refers to. There are guilds in this game, UO, that are in Factions AND warred with guilds that aren't in factions. Are you talking about this game or something else? I only play UO so I don' know how things work in other games.

 

[BbqLou]

Yes, I did say that. And that still doesn't explain what point you were trying to make. If you can't explain it any clearer, that's fine. But posting what I said isn't going to help anyone better understand what you said.

*refresh your page*

 

[D'Amavir]

*refresh your page*

Refresh yours.

 

[BbqLou]

Yes, I did say that. And that still doesn't explain what point you were trying to make. If you can't explain it any clearer, that's fine. But posting what I said isn't going to help anyone better understand what you said.

I don't know who 'both of your guilds' refers to. There are guilds in this game, UO, that are in Factions AND warred with guilds that aren't in factions. Are you talking about this game or something else? I only play UO so I don' know how things work in other games.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

If none of the guilds you are warred with are in factions then why the hell are you crying. More than likely none of the guilds your guild is warred with is in a faction, if people make their guild factions and you refuse not to then I guess it's your fault? I mean I saw some of those trammle guild wars and most of the people don't even have the regular items like Crimsons, Folded steels, Orny's, etc....


Besides if you look at it, in factions their is Statloss when you die, are those items really worth it if you have to wait like 20 mins before you can fight again?

 

[BbqLou]

Refresh yours.

No!

 

[D'Amavir]

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall.

If none of the guilds you are warred with are in factions then why the hell are you crying. More than likely none of the guilds your guild is warred with is in a faction, if people make their guild factions and you refuse not to then I guess it's your fault? I mean I saw some of those trammle guild wars and most of the people don't even have the regular items like Crimsons, Folded steels, Orny's, etc....


Besides if you look at it, in factions their is Statloss when you die, are those items really worth it if you have to wait like 20 mins before you can fight again?

First, and you might not follow since it seems you have some issue that I am not aware of, you are wrong in your assumption.

Second, a guild shouldn't be forced to join factions just to be able to have the faction items they are adding to be competitive.

Third, not sure what shard you are on but I see many many guild war characters with those items. Many.

Finally, I don't believe that Statloss is in effect when a faction player dies in Trammel during a guild war. I could be wrong there, but I am pretty sure they don't. So, Statloss is not a factor at all in this instance.

 

[D'Amavir]

No!

Apparently you did because you quoted the additional section that I added to answer the additional section that you added. Again, I get that you have some issues and I feel for you on that matter. But that doesn't mean that you should be posting on boards like this without adult supervision.

 

[GarthGrey]

THIS is the big fix for factions? omg All this will do is give guilds like JC's and others more shelf life....way to go.

 

[BbqLou]

I get that you have some issues and I feel for you on that matter. But that doesn't mean that you should be posting on boards like this without adult supervision.

This is why I love stratics, when a user runs out of stuff to defend his argument they resort to this! :bowdown:

 

[D'Amavir]

This is why I love stratics, when a user runs out of stuff to defend his argument they resort to this! :bowdown:

Seems to me you are the one that ignored my post pointing out the flaws in your argument. But, in your case, its understandable.

 

[BbqLou]

First, and you might not follow since it seems you have some issue that I am not aware of, you are wrong in your assumption.

Second, a guild shouldn't be forced to join factions just to be able to have the faction items they are adding to be competitive.

Third, not sure what shard you are on but I see many many guild war characters with those items. Many.

Finally, I don't believe that Statloss is in effect when a faction player dies in Trammel during a guild war. I could be wrong there, but I am pretty sure they don't. So, Statloss is not a factor at all in this instance.

Then don't war guilds that are in factions.... Simple enough?

 

[BbqLou]

Seems to me you are the one that ignored my post pointing out the flaws in your argument. But, in your case, its understandable.

I pointed out how this change in no way will affect the Trammle pvpers who hold guild wars. IN TRAMMLE.

 

[D'Amavir]

Then don't war guilds that are in factions.... Simple enough?

Simplistic as always. Congrats. You do not disappoint.

 

[D'Amavir]

I pointed out how this change in no way will affect the Trammle pvpers who hold guild wars. IN TRAMMLE.

Except for the fact that it will affect Trammie pvpers who hold guild wars. But, other than that, you are right.

 

[BbqLou]

Simplistic as always. Congrats. You do not disappoint.

Well I tried to explain it with more detail but apparently it was too hard for some people to comprehend.

 

[BbqLou]

Except for the fact that it will affect Trammie pvpers who hold guild wars. But, other than that, you are right.

How will it if neither guild is in factions?

if another guild is in factions then I guess don't war them?

How many of your enemies are honestly in factions?
0 right?

 

[D'Amavir]

How will it if neither guild is in factions?

if another guild is in factions then I guess don't war them?

You can keep saying that I and I will keep saying 'Simplistic'. I can't really blame you though. As they say, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip, no matter how hard you try.

 

[BbqLou]

You can keep saying that I and I will keep saying 'Simplistic'. I can't really blame you though. As they say, you can't squeeze blood from a turnip, no matter how hard you try.

You're trying to make a simple point into a long ass debate, just admit I am right and move on to never leaving Tram to pvp, where stuff like this doesn't matter to your game-play.

 

[Evilminion]

*squeals*

To the devs: speaking on behalf of legally blind -- because I know I can't be the only one out here -- and colorblind players, thank you for considering accessibility issues! Modifying the descriptive tags of the granite varieties may have been a small change, but it makes things easier for those crafters who don't see things quite the same as the majority of your player base.

Mad props, kudos, and whatever else the kids are saying these days.

 

[D'Amavir]

You're trying to make a simple point into a long ass debate, just admit I am right and move on to never leaving Tram to pvp, where stuff like this doesn't matter to your game-play.

You haven't made a point yet, simple or otherwise. Oh, except for the standard 'if they are in factions don't war them' comment. But, again, that's ok. I won't keep squeezing.

 

[BbqLou]

You haven't made a point yet, simple or otherwise. Oh, except for the standard 'if they are in factions don't war them' comment. But, again, that's ok. I won't keep squeezing.

What else are you going to do other than not war faction guilds? I mean if they made these items accessible to everyone, then factions would still be pointless.


Trust me after a month or so they will get sick of factions and leave them, I mean cause extra items are really not gonna make factions any better, lol.

 

[Evilminion]

*grabs BbqLou and D'Amavir by the scruff of their necks*

Kids, it's time to take this to PM, email, or IM. The rest of the thread is getting lost in your personal squabble.

Thanks!

 

[BbqLou]

*grabs BbqLou and D'Amavir by the scruff of their necks*

Kids, it's time to take this to PM, email, or IM. The rest of the thread is getting lost in your personal squabble.

Thanks!

It's his fault!

Ok, I guess I had my fix of UO FORUM arguing for the month, Tell D'amavir I said good night!

 

[Evilminion]

HEEHEE!!

*HUGS both boys... because that's how a proper motherly chastisement is supposed to end*

(*and then hands out warm chocolate-chip cookies, since that's how an even better mother does things* )

 

[Surgeries]

If the tamers were doing "the same thing", you'd have a point, Connor. They aren't, and you don't.

/Signed

BTW, I've seen plenty of tamers lose their pets from jewelry not equipped when they thought it was.

Me too.

They're not piling on 70 points of skill equipment to tame, THEN TAKING IT OFF, and still being able to use their pet to its maximum effect (without the jewelry, they can't use it AT ALL), the way a sampire does with the necro jewelry.

Precisely. Well said.

It's beyond an apples & oranges argument - your point is more like trying to argue that Watermelons and Coconuts are identical.

Oh, BTW, don't try that I'm a tamer trying to defend their actions - The only tamer character I have has 87 taming, 91 lore, and gets about 10 hours of play time a YEAR (and all of that training and vetting) since I created it 3 years ago with the 8th age (or was it Gold that came with it) Advanced character token, because I play meleers almost exclusively.

I have Tamers, but none of them have Taming jewelry required to run them.

My Necro is 120 Necro...all Real.

Real Skill FTW.

 

[Surgeries]

so each tamer who dies with jewelery on would loose the bonding of pet after resurrection?
Unreasonable!

*Salute*
Olahorand

Only if they try to USE their skill, without the Jewelry ON, would be how I see it, unless I am missing something

Pets won't unbond unless commanded by a Tamer that doesn't have the skill, either Real, or from Items, WHEN commanded.

Easy fix...get dressed FIRST, put on Items, then command pet.

Same deal with the Jewelry, for Vamp Form. Cast it AFTER you put on the Jewelry, and DON'T take the Jewelry or Skill off, while you use the form.

It really isn't that tuff to grasp, I would hope.

 

[Arnie QuickPalm]

My dear Vamp.... Little my friend... Goodbye...

I Hope some nerf will be given also to tamers

if you take off your jewels you cant contol your pet why should you be able to keep in vamp form with out the skill needed

 

[Viquire]

Evil Ernie kinda freaks me out. That is a good thing I suppose.

I never associated "Evil Ernie" with Sesame Street, lol.

 

[FrejaSP]

Well they would be character bound like it says so what would be the point of them dropping?

On Siege we can't have it. We need to be able to remove the power from the enemies. Sure the killer/looter can't use it but he can he can remove the item so the owner can't us it.
He may leave it on corpes or he may sell it back or he may trash it, it all depent of if he respect the owner or want to punish him.

No more blessing allowed on Siege.

 

[HD2300]

WOW

Huge change with nerfing Sammies and PvPers not needing gear from PvMers. It will be interesting to see the impact.

 

[jelinidas]

WOW

Huge change with nerfing Sammies and PvPers not needing gear from PvMers. It will be interesting to see the impact.

Time will tell. I do not think we have all the info needed on these changes yet. Could prove interesting, but I think this is just a feeler line and changes are coming.

 

[Rowen]

i am disappointed with the way overpowered faction items, but i will wait to see the stipulations regarding said items before i get to upset. and for those that say go to fulucca well i lived 8 years there without pvping. factions need something and i love to pvp ever now and then since i moved to trammel but this seams too much. as for the said sampire nerf... oh well its not gonna hurt my template. i just have to make up my mind sooner if i want wammy or sampire now as i already started to drop healing and anat.

 

[Bodhi]

hah...carebears...

ten million says I could smoke you with a crafter.
QUOTE]

With what, your daily guardwhack?

 

[Eslake]

Yea, about that..... if you attempt to cook an entire stack of items, you get the gains as if you would have cooked them one by one. (You can test this right now by trying to cook a stack of raw fish steaks.)

No, actually it doesn't. You can get the same gains by cooking a stack of 5 as cooking 5 individual items, but you Don't get the same cooking a stack of 20 as by cooking 20 individuals. And you don't get as much from cooking a stack of 1,000 as you get by cooking 100 individuals, let alone 1,000.

Otherwise people would just get a 60k stack of fish steaks and pull out 5,000 at a time and GM cooking in a few minutes. They didn't want it that way.
Cooking 1 at a time takes 50-70k items. But cooking 5k at a time you won't be at 75 skill after 70k steaks.

 

[Eslake]

I was speaking about Tamers soloing Peerless. They are doing exactly that. They can even solo Mel, which so far is not one that dexxers have been able to, so they're actually 1 up on the dexxers.

Since you and a few others keep making this claim, I suggest one of you prove it.

Go setskill a tamer on TC1, get a GD, and let us all know when it bonds.
Then we can all come watch you fail miserably trying to kill ANY of the peerless.
Better yet, get one of those in this thread who claim they DO solo peerless on their tamers to do it for you, so they can't argue they don't have the Experience.
We'll still laugh as they fail.

I've gone along with sampires to see every peerless solo'd except for Pyrox and Grizzled. Of tamers, I've only seen the same 2 over and over. (Ignoring the CHEAT that lets tamers And Mages solo Travesty - which I hope they've fixed by now)
I've watched caps of EVERY peerless being solo'd by dexxer templates, I cannot find that with tamers.


My challenge stands. You, or one of those claiming they Are tamers and Do solo them, make a TC1 tamer and prove it to us all.

 

[WarUltima]

Now faction players gets better arties that helps to push them to the limit. All the extra resists/dci doesnt matter THAT much. Most serious/rich PvPers have capped resists/dci/hci on their suit anyways.

IMO, this is a great chance for all the new players who werent able to afford 100+mill PvP suit to get something really useful without going thru all the black heart merchants. It might also help killing off some gold sellers.

So, basically
Factions: A tad better arties and a 20-minute downtime after each faction death.

Non-Factions: Zero penalty. No hassle of keeping ranks high, farming silver. No 20-min newbified crap and no 20-minute auto insurance dispensing drawback. Also mind you, the 20 minutes starts AFTER you are rezzed, and gets refreshed if you get rez killed. 120 Mage will FIZZLE ebolt ect ect.

Looks pretty fair to me.

The statloss has always been one of the biggest reasons why people dont participate in it. The incentives back when UO wasnt on todays carebear mode (no insurance) was BLESSED GM armor/weapons that dont drop after death(they do expire however).

Now that blessed GM armor/weapon are completely worthless so the new incentives would be the better arties which requires you to keep rankings high and keeps you farming for silver in order to repair them.

 

[Anakena]

Honestly i hate the fact they removing the +skill effect... But im glad theres still another template that allows u to solo peerless on dexxer So i dont really care.

The + skill effect is not removed. As long as you keep wearing the items, you stay in said form provided your modified skill is still above the mnimum casting skill.

You can still make a "sampire", but to benefit from the form you can no longer put the items for casting the form then remove them after. They will just adapt their suits.

 

[Traveller]

On Siege we can't have it. We need to be able to remove the power from the enemies. Sure the killer/looter can't use it but he can he can remove the item so the owner can't us it.
He may leave it on corpes or he may sell it back or he may trash it, it all depent of if he respect the owner or want to punish him.

No more blessing allowed on Siege.

Freya, while I do agree with the last part of your post ("no more blessings"), let me tell you that your argument for it is weak. You say: "We need to be able to remove the power from the enemies", but since the enemy is in faction, he will go in statloss, thus killing him achieves exactly that result.

The point I think you are trying to make is that on siege death HAS to hurt, otherwise people in faction will go around with uber-suits completely blessed. Said in this way, I think, is a stronger argument.

 

[FrejaSP]

Freya, while I do agree with the last part of your post ("no more blessings"), let me tell you that your argument for it is weak. You say: "We need to be able to remove the power from the enemies", but since the enemy is in faction, he will go in statloss, thus killing him achieves exactly that result.

Not if he attack me and I kill him. He only get stat loss from dying to factions enemies.

Factions reds do not only kill factions players, they do also PK non factions players and they will use their bonus from their new factions items to do it.

Also Factions blue (noto PK's) will attack non factions red and this this will be an unfair fight and if I'm attacked of a faction player, I want to be able to remove the items that gave me an unfair fight.

The point I think you are trying to make is that on siege death HAS to hurt, otherwise people in faction will go around with uber-suits completely blessed. Said in this way, I think, is a stronger argument.

No that was not my point, my point was unbalance in fights between factions and non factions players. It's not about death has to hurt but about risk for losing your upper items. It's about Factions players having unfair advantage and forcing players to join a broken system to complete in PvP.

My name is spelled Freja where I come from

 

[Traveller]

Not if he attack me and I kill him. He only get stat loss from dying to factions enemies.

True. I forgot that, too much time since I factioned.

No that was not my point, my point was unbalance in fights between factions and non factions players. It's not about death has to hurt but about risk for losing your upper items. It's about Factions players having unfair advantage and forcing players to join a broken system to complete in PvP.

Which still is a good point. Not easily understandable from what I read above though. Glad you clarified it.

My name is spelled Freja where I come from

Hey, sorry, no need to get defensive, or even heated up over a mispell on a nickname... On the whole we are on the same side, although with a slight different viewpoint.

 

[Larisa]

hehe...let me find the rest of ernies crew...you'll understand.

By the way folks, the new rss feed for the UO Herald is set up to auto post here to UHall. It's checked every ten minutes, so we'll have up-to-date newses for all our UHallers

Thanks again to Jeremy and Cat - and anyone else who had a hand in this - for making it happen

And let ME thank you all for making my job a bit easier

Can't wait for the new pub, new faction stuff sounds cool and I can't WAIT for the Chicago TownHall I will be there!

 

[Olahorand]

That is EXACTLY what I thought too, Tina. I was expecting something about the anniversary, upcoming events or Halloween. A very misleading title. Yes there is actual news this week for a change, but there is nothing party-like about the FoF at all.

I agree, the difference between the title and the contents is devastating.
*Salute*
Olahorand

 

[christy1221]

That is EXACTLY what I thought too, Tina. I was expecting something about the anniversary, upcoming events or Halloween. A very misleading title. Yes there is actual news this week for a change, but there is nothing party-like about the FoF at all.

I agree, the difference between the title and the contents is devastating.
*Salute*
Olahorand

I agree too. I thought she was going to tell why they forgot to do anything for the anniversary. And maybe say that something is coming it's just really late.

 

[Fizzleton]

well, some ideas for those who think the bushido/necro warrior is done ...

1. Switch from vamp form to wraith form. Instead of leaching life you leech mana, which u can turn into life. So you can permanently lightning-strike your opponent and cast curse weapon (it will only last one second, but nice timing will give the leech you need)
2. Stay with vamp form. Adjust your skills: Mostly, you are on 35 necro (if you don't use a soulstone to free them). Take jewels with + 25 necro (may be 30, but I give 5 less skill for better jewels) and other mods. I myself had eg a + 15 necro brace with 12 dci + fc1 + di 20 and other stuff that might fit. Take the necro talisman. So you are on 65 necro; you need only another 34 skill points to turn into necro skill. You can also try and get midnight bracers to work in your suit, what will reduce the skill shift for another 20 skill points.

I don't see many problems adjusting the template to be usefull again.

 

[Ailish]

I doubt even with these items everybody is going to join factions, a lot of people will probably put alts. the only time people play their faction chars. is when they are guarding or raiding. But most people do not play their faction guy at champ spawns or Yew gate, the stat loss is just annoying there.

Is the 10 extra DCI or any of the other mods on those items really worth it if you're in statloss? I mean c'mon now.

This an other things! The people who are worried about droves heading to factions to get items .... do any of you realize that you have to actually FACTION FIGHT (PvP) to get and keep the ranks? Alot of people are not willing to do that. Or to deal with Stat Loss. The fact that the items are character bound means you would have to be out ON your faction char to PvP at Yew Gate with them ... which means no GZ protection against Oranges.

Sure, SOME people are willing to deal with Stat Loss - I have done Champ Spawns, including being the dexer killing Barracoon, while in Stat Loss (because I got killed by a silver serpent! That is right ... monsters can put you in stat loss!) but not many people are willing to do that.

Also, as previously noted ... You still can't exceed caps. Sure, this stuff will give factioneers more flexibility in their armor ... but they will still have to have backup suits in case they lose rank.

**Note for those people disappointed at what they DIDNT see .... this was NOT the full list of Publish 56! It is just a teaser for goodness sake!**

 

[Lord Kotan]

I didn't need incentive like that to join factions again... I need that one cheat/speed hack/program fixed.

 

[Gwendar-SP]

I was very disappointed that there wasn't any mention of the event content that is suppose to come out with Pub 56. Has the event content been postponed until Pub 57?

Righteous

I think they usually keep event content secret - that way they can zap unsuspecting players like the ones who got murdered when the guard zones dropped without warning last publish. The candle of love one also comes to mind when poof - one could no longer gate into or out of whole server areas.

 

[Edina Monsoon]

Party On?

What are we supposed to party on about? Not even a mention of the 11th anniversary that has now come and gone?

I am so disappointed. Not even a bag and a stupid wand to play with, Party On?

What am I supposed to party on about? That we can't even get the team to recognize that we just had a huge anniversary?

Really Really Sad.

 

[JC the Builder]

They should bump up the minimum casting requirement of Wraith form to 50 so it will stop that loophole as well. Right now it won't be affected as long as you are a human.

 

[Maplestone]

Not even a bag and a stupid wand to play with, Party On?

I would point out that such a thing would require a publish and we are between publishes at the moment. There is still hope.