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[Restroom Cowboy]

I dont understand one thing are people complaining you can do this whith skill items? If they made vamp embrace able to be cast whith 0 skill would people complain about it? Vampire form in itself just alows you to use wep that dont have life leach so you can have more variation. Has a mana regen increase not sure how much but you can easily get that with mana regen items that could replace the higher fire equipment. Can automaticaly protect you from low end poison just like a orange petal can but useless to high end poisons. Cant use cure pots at all and gets damage whith mage spells that use garlic. and a huge penalty with fire ressit that if you had 100 necro u wouldnt want to even bother using this spell cause of all the negatives and little benefit when you can use curse wep and your med to relplace any benefit vampire embrace gives you. Oh and useless in pvp.

exploiting this spell in PvP was in fact VERY handy to the right templates using it. again...I suggest you ask around first about HOW it was used before you make stuff up. Thanks.

 

[Duku]

Yet once again, no one complains about the Tamers that are doing the same thing. They got the evil dexxers out of the way now, or so they think.

I did, i do

 

[WWGRD?]

Yea, about that..... if you attempt to cook an entire stack of items, you get the gains as if you would have cooked them one by one. (You can test this right now by trying to cook a stack of raw fish steaks.)
So please quit asking for things to not be stackable when you have no idea what you are talking about.

I have tried that. It doesn't seem to work at all, where as cooking 1 at time, works rather nicely. kthx. So stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

 

[UOKaiser]

exploiting this spell in PvP was in fact VERY handy to the right templates using it. again...I suggest you ask around first about HOW it was used before you make stuff up. Thanks.

Ok then I'll ask around how was this spell exploited in PVP? Which I know how it used in pvm but in pvp I havent seein it used but of course i dont pvp much so i might of missed it.

 

[_zigzag_]

ok folks....everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions.

Let's not make this another thread filled with the personal junks, please?

 

[Connor_Graham]

If the tamers were doing "the same thing", you'd have a point, Connor. They aren't, and you don't.

BTW, I've seen plenty of tamers lose their pets from jewelry not equipped when they thought it was.

I was speaking about Tamers soloing Peerless. They are doing exactly that. They can even solo Mel, which so far is not one that dexxers have been able to, so they're actually 1 up on the dexxers.

 

[Pinco]

results in publish 56:

- 90% of pvm warriors will be trashed... there will be no more ways to make a good pvm warrior (if you want to kill something strong like shimmering effusion...)

- more faction play for get the new arties (if someone want to make a good pvm warrior must pvp first for get the equipment... very bad thing).
The game will pass from item based to faction item based

- more stackables... but probably this change is not for the existing items, so if you want to stack the items you must to make/harvest it again... (we all remember the change at the paroxysmus swamp dragon... not retroactive...)


and for who say that:

Like if you take off plus jewels from a tamer the pet becomes unbonded? Not unreasonable.

if they do that they will kill pvm forever, because removed the warrior and the tamer will stay only the mage for pvm (and is not told that they will nerf it because fireball is too powerfull againist mongbat XD), about the tamer: without the skill bonus there is no way to make a good template.

If they raise the skillcap to 730 (+20 vet reward = 750) maybe there will be a way to make good pvm templates without huge skillbonus...

 

[Hunters' Moon]

Skill Jewelry and Form-Changing Spells in Publish 56
I didn't have a version of the question handy, but this has come up a number of times. Currently, if you use skill jewelry to increase your skill, cast a form-changing spell (such as Necromancy's Vampiric Embrace) then remove the skill jewelry, you remain in that form.

This will be changing in Publish 56. What will happen is if you lower your skill past the threshhold to be able to cast that particular form-changing spell, (whether by removing items, using a soulstone, or even using the Test Center set skill command) you will revert to your normal form. This will affect not only the various forms available with Necromancy but Magery (Polymorph,) Ninjitsu (Animal Form,) and Spellweaving (Reaper Form.)

Will anything be done with tamers that use jewelry as well? Will it affect their ability to command and control their pets?

 

[Vortex]

Ok, I just want to make sure I understand this...

You are making stronger arties for faction use. The higher rank you have in factions, the stronger the item will be? What kind of logic is that? The people who have the higher ranks in factions don't need better items, they are doing just fine, that's why they are top ranked!!

 

[Connor_Graham]

- 90% of pvm warriors will be trashed... there will be no more ways to make a good pvm warrior (if you want to kill something strong like shimmering effusion...)

This isn't accurate. There is another template variation of the Necro warrior. It's just going to take a rework of everyone's skills and suits to fit in with the new template.

 

[UltimaSword]

- 90% of pvm warriors will be trashed... there will be no more ways to make a good pvm warrior (if you want to kill something strong like shimmering effusion...)

This isn't accurate. There is another template variation of the Necro warrior. It's just going to take a rework of everyone's skills and suits to fit in with the new template.

The first thing wrong with it is SOLOING SHIMMERING EFFUSION(if thats what u ment). In actuality no one should be able to solo a peerless. Besides I have two good pvm warriors and while they cannot solo peerless they can hold their own very well.

 

[Sunrise]

Evil Ernie for Prez!

Ok with that said. hey at least the Gods/Devs are giving factions some love for once. its been a LONG time.

Also like the new stacking on cooking. but PLEASE Dont make uncooked pies stackable. Just my thing is all. As for the rest..WOOT Finally! I wont have cooked pies all over the place in my pack

 

[UOKaiser]

This isn't accurate. There is another template variation of the Necro warrior. It's just going to take a rework of everyone's skills and suits to fit in with the new template.

Is it with the wraith form? sadly you cant use armor swampy with it. Or something else? Well like I said for my dexter i make sure I have some more aded +mr and sacrifice the extra 25 fire ressit of the armor for that also carry some cure pots and most importantly make sure i have High life leech on the weapons. im sure there are plenty of other ways.

 

[Tina Small]

I must admit that when I saw the title of this FoF, I expected to open it up and see an announcement of some sort of celebration for UO's 11th anniversary. I thought "Party On" might mean fireworks, streamers, festivities, etc.

It's hard to believe that the game's 11th anniversary seems destined to go by with nothing more than a two sentence statement from the game's community liaison.

Just doesn't seem right.

 

[UOKaiser]

The first thing wrong with it is SOLOING SHIMMERING EFFUSION(if thats what u ment). In actuality no one should be able to solo a peerless. Besides I have two good pvm warriors and while they cannot solo peerless they can hold their own very well.

I think only the best players should solo peerless, doom bosses, para balrons. Hell if youre good and know how to tweak youre template and armor well you should get benefits from it. If the player is average i dont expect him to even take on a regular dragon. If the player is horrible he should be getting killed by trolls and ogres. I remmeber you needed a group of players to take on liche lords or ancient liches and if you solo one you were the man.
Just like if youre a good pvp and you rarely die to another player or even a couple of players. Should no one be able to solo duel attack? If there good they should be able to handle it if not they or the other player is better they will die.

In PvM case all high end monster are over 1k in hit stats that make you cringe and the only way to beat them is for you to be good against a superior opponent a challenge that makes you shoot for. Anybody can come in with 30 players against a superior singelar opponent and destroy it but only the best can defeat it with but there cunning and skills.

 

[Satanatra]

Ok, I just want to make sure I understand this...

You are making stronger arties for faction use. The higher rank you have in factions, the stronger the item will be? What kind of logic is that? The people who have the higher ranks in factions don't need better items, they are doing just fine, that's why they are top ranked!!

Erm - so your logic would be to give weak players the top rewards? And if they did toooo well then you would take them away?


Honestly - before reading this thread i stopped and wondered if people would find a way to complain. This pub looks amazing. it will have TONS of people in fel - even for pvm (silver farming over which there will be even more pvp). The godly items only help people reach the caps anyway and most pvpers are at the caps. The more people at the caps the better as that is bringing the game AWAY from item based and back to skill... while letting people hold onto their leet items.

This pub rocks.

Note for Sampires: If you dont realise that having 40 skill points and using items to allow you to enter a form is wrong then u just arent being objective. Crying for tamers to be nerfed is within reason - but isnt it just cutting off your nose to spite your face considering that most people have sampires AND tamers?

It is amazing what people will complain about....

 

[UltimaSword]

The thing with Sampires was it was kind of an abuse of the + jewels and what they are doin does make sense. People will still be able to solo peerless. i can still solo doom bosses (besides DF). Whatever though I am kind of sad it will not be as easy to make a sampire.

 

[lucksi]

Well, there goes my PVM char. Need to rethink him now after it tok me ages to get the skill jewelry for necro.

I wonder if polymorph will still work at all if you cast it from a scroll but don´t have high enough skill to suceed normally. Anyone want to bet that they forgot about that?

 

[Demonous]

The Japanese players are gonna be p!ssed off when they hear this. That's their primary template.

Guess it's time to switch to the wraith form template now and get back to doing exactly what the complainers were complaining about to begin with.

We can kiss another spell goodbye. Vamp form will be useless to anyone now.

good, the vast majority of them are speedhackers anyway, and this was never intended to use jewelry and then take it off and get a bonus for nothing, finally some justice

 

[kennykilleduo]

They will be available for purchase via a collection box in your Faction Stronghold
Rank 1: Rune Beetle Carapace with additional +3 to all resists
Rank 4: Crimson Cincture with additional +5 Dexterity
Rank 7: Spirit of the Totem with enhanced resists (instead of the linked resists, this version has Phys 20% and 10% in each of the others)
Rank 9: Folded Steel Reading Glasses with additional +10 DCI
Rank 10: Ornament of the Magician with additional Mana Regen 3

Those super arties for purchase. Is that a bit too much? Buying artifacts from NPC already crosses the line, let alone super arties.

Players need a reason to do faction, not necessary need a boost like that.

Does that mean powergames have to be in faction to compete?

Cry more...

 

[wrekognize]

I do not agree with these item selections!!! I agree that we need rewards in factions, what the developers are about to implement is going to destroy Doom and peerless. All this is going to do is take the reason half the people play and shift it over to another mini game! This is a bad balance.


...

 

[UOKaiser]

Erm - so your logic would be to give weak players the top rewards? And if they did toooo well then you would take them away?


Honestly - before reading this thread i stopped and wondered if people would find a way to complain. This pub looks amazing. it will have TONS of people in fel - even for pvm (silver farming over which there will be even more pvp). The godly items only help people reach the caps anyway and most pvpers are at the caps. The more people at the caps the better as that is bringing the game AWAY from item based and back to skill... while letting people hold onto their leet items.

This pub rocks.

Note for Sampires: If you dont realise that having 40 skill points and using items to allow you to enter a form is wrong then u just arent being objective. Crying for tamers to be nerfed is within reason - but isnt it just cutting off your nose to spite your face considering that most people have sampires AND tamers?

It is amazing what people will complain about....

It might bring some people to feluccia but those who dont like to pvp still wont pvp. Cant force a player to do what they dont like doing.

Thats why I say lower vamp embrace to be able to be cast at jolt or a little higher if need be. Sampire was a cool template even a cool name but sampire will go the way of the detective now. The template name is a brief moment of enjoyment. Oh well thats how uo is. And time to make way for I dont know we find another name soon enoough then people will want to get rid of that then something else will come around. Thank god for soulstones. Though the millions in armor spent to make such a template is mostly lost.

 

[Demonous]

Once again they go for the "bait" option while screwing over anyone that doesn't want to be in factions to PvP or do Champ Spawns. Beefed up arties are a BAD idea since they will further put dependence on items in PvP....

Making them character bound is even worse.

uo started out as a pvp game and im glad they're doing this, force trammies to pvp if they want good stuff, theres already a dependence on items in pvp but even people with decked out suits are horrible if they dunno how to use em, and character bound is an awesome idea so poor people can't afford the good stuff and no one can cut them deals, no one can help out anyone on selling them and the price for real arties will stay !

 

[Satanatra]

The items are character bound (account bound?) but SILVER will be trade-able and im sure will be appearing on your local vendor REAL soon. There are going to be some nice fights over spawn points.

PS. Im sure these items will cost a lot of silver to get so it makes me wonder if we ll see checks for silver... or will we have to lug 10m silver through fel to a faction vendor....

 

[T_Amon_from_work]

for me it's a tossup on the engraving tools. If stacked, you'd need to pull one off before using ... or would the system automagically use only one? I'd hate for a full stack of engravers to >poof< when only one should go.

 

[UOKaiser]

I do not agree with these item selections!!! I agree that we need rewards in factions, what the developers are about to implement is going to destroy Doom and peerless. All this is going to do is take the reason half the people play and shift it over to another mini game! This is a bad balance.


...

I agree on that the ones who payed the most for these items where pvp. The reason many did these quest was for themselves or to sell it to pvps. Now that pvp have another option of getting it and better ones at that doing what they enjoy they wont need to do these quest. So the pvm who already have these items for themselves have no one to sell it to as well so need to hunt them anymore. In this case we should do the same and spawn power scrolls on peerless so like that we have 2 distinct worlds and pvp dont need pvm and pvm dont need pvp.

 

[4gregu]

I have tried that. It doesn't seem to work at all, where as cooking 1 at time, works rather nicely. kthx. So stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

LOL, I have made 8 GM chefs, one as recently as 2 weeks ago. I do know what I'm talking about. But if you want to keep cooking things one at a time, more power to you....

 

[Crysta]

Honestly don't see why Polymorph has to be in there.. it has no true benefits aside from changing your shape. The others all have crazy mods and abilities you shouldn't have unless you have the skill.

 

[Divster]

I run a sampire primarily for doom and can say with a large amount of confidence that this is a change that was needed. It was quite frankly ridiculous (and yes I did take advantage of this, I just don't pretend it didn't need fixing) that people could stack items /soulstone usage, then remove the said items and continue to roll without them without a care in the world. I run a non healing template with 100 necro and have no trouble soloing doom albeit cautiously, I also run a healing template without tactics for when I have company as I like the spirit of cooperation and like to help heal others when I can. My argument here is not against those who say certain things should not be soloable as that is a diiferent matter that has no bearing on sammys alone, as they are not the only class that can do it and it is entirely a matter of opinion whether such a thing should be possible.

Certain players on this forum and on this thread who I have previously respected for their often insightfull comments have displayed a complete lack of imagination claiming this cripples warriors. In fact it is a long overdue change and simply requires a bit a tweaking to a template that was supreme before and can still be supreme among equals if handled by someone who knows what they are doing and who doesn't blanche at the thought of having to make a small sacrifice. Bravo i say to the devs, Bravo and let the games continue with an increased challenge to anyone who will meet it!

 

[Olahorand]

for me it's a tossup on the engraving tools. If stacked, you'd need to pull one off before using ... or would the system automagically use only one? I'd hate for a full stack of engravers to >poof< when only one should go.

how that could work, shows Lockpicking on Siege.
The lockpicks stack, and the stack shows the uses of the current pick.
*Salute*
Olahorand

 

[Olahorand]

Like if you take off plus jewels from a tamer the pet becomes unbonded? Not unreasonable.

so each tamer who dies with jewelery on would loose the bonding of pet after resurrection?
Unreasonable!

*Salute*
Olahorand

 

[UltimaSword]

Well obviously there would be a timeline to follow. Five minutes or whatever.

 

[Flora Green]

I must admit that when I saw the title of this FoF, I expected to open it up and see an announcement of some sort of celebration for UO's 11th anniversary. I thought "Party On" might mean fireworks, streamers, festivities, etc.

It's hard to believe that the game's 11th anniversary seems destined to go by with nothing more than a two sentence statement from the game's community liaison.

Just doesn't seem right.

That is EXACTLY what I thought too, Tina. I was expecting something about the anniversary, upcoming events or Halloween. A very misleading title. Yes there is actual news this week for a change, but there is nothing party-like about the FoF at all.

 

[UltimatePower]

Shrine Gem: One-use item that can be used to teleport your ghost to the nearest shrine

I hope they remember that you can't open your backpack while dead. :loser:

 

[Kaleb]

More questions

• Will this items be faction-blessed on Siege? I hope not!!

• 
  
  
  Well they would be character bound like it says so what would be the point of them dropping?

 

[Sneaky Que]

Wrong. As was said over and over again, Sampires weren't the only ones soloing bosses.

Yet once again, no one complains about the Tamers that are doing the same thing. They got the evil dexxers out of the way now, or so they think.

Exactly, I find it hilarious that people think that a dexer must have vamp to solo high end stuff.

 

[Redxpanda]

They seem to be so secretive about when and if there will be some sort of anniversary celebration. I guess they are not interested in the extra money they will get from people who will activate accounts.

 

[Tina Small]

I hope they remember that you can't open your backpack while dead. :loser:

Yup, assuming it works, you'll land your little factioneer at the nearest shrine while in skill loss.

Wonder where all the faction rez-killers will be hanging out when this goes in and people who are new to factions are stupid enough to waste their silver on these goodies....

 

[Gwendar-SP]

Those super arties for purchase. Is that a bit too much? Buying artifacts from NPC already crosses the line, let alone super arties.

Players need a reason to do faction, not necessary need a boost like that.

Does that mean powergames have to be in faction to compete?

It would be one thing if this TRULY only applied to faction. My experience is that faction folks will use the items to kill folks who aren't in faction and can't have the items.

 

[D'Amavir]

Those super arties for purchase. Is that a bit too much? Buying artifacts from NPC already crosses the line, let alone super arties.

Players need a reason to do faction, not necessary need a boost like that.

Does that mean powergames have to be in faction to compete?

Hello silver script farmers, welcome to UO. We have new ways for you to earn your money when you aren't working at McD's. And goodbye non Fel based guildwar players, we have no need of you any longer. Carry on.

 

[Tjalle]

More questions

• Will this items be faction-blessed on Siege? I hope not!!

• 
  
  
  Well they would be character bound like it says so what would be the point of them dropping?

• 
  
  To take the stuff to prevent the player to use it again after being ressed?
  
  Seems like a valid field tactic to me...

 

[Nexus]

uo started out as a pvp game and im glad they're doing this, force trammies to pvp if they want good stuff, theres already a dependence on items in pvp but even people with decked out suits are horrible if they dunno how to use em, and character bound is an awesome idea so poor people can't afford the good stuff and no one can cut them deals, no one can help out anyone on selling them and the price for real arties will stay !

UO was never just a PvP game it has always been more than that. By and in large item dependence is bad for PvP as it can compensate for skill as a player. In PvM it doesn't really matter as much because the AI is dumb as a bag of hammers and easily worked around. One side effect of this is going to be that you don't take counts from killing opposite factions, and if you pride yourself on being a Red then well if you want the gear to compete you can kiss those counts bub-bye. They are further restricting the choices of play style...They already nerfed the thief into almost non-existance, now how far a leap will it be to go from this proposed system for Factions, to saying the only PvP in Fel has to be factions? It's not a big jump.

 

[BbqLou]

HEHE! they just can't win, first their was countless posts on how factions need to be beefed up so they are worth being in now. Now that they added some new stuff to it you get a cry fest.

OMG! That item is too over powered, If I don't want to join factions for these items then their is no other way and I can't get them that is totally unfair!!!


They are really only needed for pvp anyways, so the pvmers should just stop crying.... DO YOU HONESTLY NEED ITEMS LIKE THAT TO KILL A SWOOP?????? OR What ever it is you guys hunt these days.

 

[Tina Small]

One side effect of this is going to be that you don't take counts from killing opposite factions, and if you pride yourself on being a Red then well if you want the gear to compete you can kiss those counts bub-bye.

Well, there's always the possibility that if you get into factions, someone you hate will join the same faction just to be a thorn in your side. Can always kill their characters for murder counts.

 

[BbqLou]

UO was never just a PvP game it has always been more than that. By and in large item dependence is bad for PvP as it can compensate for skill as a player. In PvM it doesn't really matter as much because the AI is dumb as a bag of hammers and easily worked around. One side effect of this is going to be that you don't take counts from killing opposite factions, and if you pride yourself on being a Red then well if you want the gear to compete you can kiss those counts bub-bye. They are further restricting the choices of play style...They already nerfed the thief into almost non-existance, now how far a leap will it be to go from this proposed system for Factions, to saying the only PvP in Fel has to be factions? It's not a big jump.

I doubt even with these items everybody is going to join factions, a lot of people will probably put alts. the only time people play their faction chars. is when they are guarding or raiding. But most people do not play their faction guy at champ spawns or Yew gate, the stat loss is just annoying there.

Is the 10 extra DCI or any of the other mods on those items really worth it if you're in statloss? I mean c'mon now.

 

[D'Amavir]

HEHE! they just can't win, first their was countless posts on how factions need to be beefed up so they are worth being in now. Now that they added some new stuff to it you get a cry fest.

OMG! That item is too over powered, If I don't want to join factions for these items then their is no other way and I can't get them that is totally unfair!!!


They are really only needed for pvp anyways, so the pvmers should just stop crying.... DO YOU HONESTLY NEED ITEMS LIKE THAT TO KILL A SWOOP?????? OR What ever it is you guys hunt these days.

You may not realize this, but pvp does not always equal factions. Nor does it always equal fel gate fighting. Some people actually pvp in Trammel in guild wars. Now, if you aren't willing, able or interested in joining Factions, you will be left behind by the newest edition of UO ItemvsPlayer combat.

Give factions all the boosts they want. But make those boosts only impact those in factions. It can be done, it only takes a few minutes to come up with something like that. Forcing people that want to pvp to join factions so that they can have the items they will NEED to be competitive in pvp is not the way to go. Sorry you don't get that.

 

[BbqLou]

You may not realize this, but pvp does not always equal factions. Nor does it always equal fel gate fighting. Some people actually pvp in Trammel in guild wars. Now, if you aren't willing, able or interested in joining Factions, you will be left behind by the newest edition of UO ItemvsPlayer combat.

Give factions all the boosts they want. But make those boosts only impact those in factions. It can be done, it only takes a few minutes to come up with something like that. Forcing people that want to pvp to join factions so that they can have the items they will NEED to be competitive in pvp is not the way to go. Sorry you don't get that.

Well, so neither guild in your little guild war are in factions, so your problem is??????????????

Why does it matter, if none of the guilds in your little war are in factions then why complain about it? Srsly.

 

[MYUO]

Wrong. As was said over and over again, Sampires weren't the only ones soloing bosses.

Yet once again, no one complains about the Tamers that are doing the same thing. They got the evil dexxers out of the way now, or so they think.

Other templates can solo df/peerless, but as far as i know it is only template that exploits the game mechanism so it can solo and solo most effectively. My archer can solo df and my tamer can solo peerless but none them sit there and hacking away. If they are dead, they don't run off screen and do a few rounds of dress/cast spell/undress routine.

 

[D'Amavir]

Well, so neither guild in your little guild war are in factions, so your problem is??????????????

Why does it matter, if none of the guilds in your little war are in factions then why complain about it? Srsly.

I am sure that was clear when you thought it, but when you put fingers to keys and put it here, it really came out jarbled. Try again?

Maybe you are saying that guilds that are in factions can't war guilds that aren't in factions in Trammel? That is not the case, clearly. So, I am not really following what you are trying to say.

 

[BbqLou]

I am sure that was clear when you thought it, but when you put fingers to keys and put it here, it really came out jarbled. Try again?

Maybe you are saying that guilds that are in factions can't war guilds that aren't in factions in Trammel? That is not the case, clearly. So, I am not really following what you are trying to say.

You didn't say this?

"You may not realize this, but pvp does not always equal factions. Nor does it always equal fel gate fighting. Some people actually pvp in Trammel in guild wars."


I SAID; IF BOTH OF THE GUILDS IN YOUR WAR ARE NOT IN FACTIONS THEN NEITHER OF THEM WILL HAVE THE ITEMS, SO WHY ARE YOU CRYING?

Do you understand now?