I just ran all over the new Atlantic houses and there is stuff on the ground everywhere. They are not leaving the new houses up over the weekend like they said they were. Get your items out before someone loots them!
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They Are Deleting The Houses Even Thought They Said They Were Not!
- Thread starter JC the Builder
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Richtor Darkbane
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I can totally see how that house in that farm field must have been hurting everyone who plays the game. I just want to say thanks to the staff for deleting it. Glad I didn't place a home in the middle of nowhere in the farmlands of Brit.
Wasn't the guard zone only extended up that far to protect newbies from PKs a LONG time ago? A protection which is no longer necessary in Trammel.
I can't see waht these homes are hurting, they don't sell for that much anyway.
Wasn't the guard zone only extended up that far to protect newbies from PKs a LONG time ago? A protection which is no longer necessary in Trammel.
I can't see waht these homes are hurting, they don't sell for that much anyway.
This is just the same overreaction they had when a couple houses were able to be placed near the moongates. When I logged last night there were only about 15 new houses in the Trammel side Atlantic. It didn't look like many people were interested in placing.
It is funny how they went around and deleted virtually every house placed near Britain, but the Felucca Yew houses which clued us all in about the change are left standing.
It is funny how they went around and deleted virtually every house placed near Britain, but the Felucca Yew houses which clued us all in about the change are left standing.
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DHMagicMan_1
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If the pile of gold and harp and such were left when the house decayed around it, how did a house get placed there with the trees and grave stones and such anyway? Unless that stuff got moved there after the house got taken down nearby?
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Devil_Woman
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It's an optical illusion. Those items would have been on an upper floor. They're not on the ground but suspended in air where the upper floor(s) would have been.
Honestly this was totaly expected they are doing Live event stuff and made a mistake.
I am glad they fixed it.
Town Houses Are Bad. dont belive me? go shop in luna 99% of the vendors there are outragously priced lol...
There is totaly enough open space for all, go populate moonglow lol
I am glad they fixed it.
Town Houses Are Bad. dont belive me? go shop in luna 99% of the vendors there are outragously priced lol...
There is totaly enough open space for all, go populate moonglow lol
Luna turned into a vendor hub because you could place a big string of large houses right next to each other. That was not possible in this case. In fact I think there was only one spot where 2 towers could fit side-by-side and that was only if each were placed perfectly. All the houses I saw were rather spaced out.
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DHMagicMan_1
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I think it's been very well known for YEARS that you couldn't place in guard zones. If they wanted that to change they probably would have posted in the notes. If I had wanted to place I may have placed and left it empty just to see but I certainly wouldn't have moved stuff in, just to see if it could stay there.
I'm wondering if people figured this little SNAFU out in Test server and/or Origin and just didn't report it because they wanted to try to take advantage in production or if it really did just slip through.
I'm wondering if people figured this little SNAFU out in Test server and/or Origin and just didn't report it because they wanted to try to take advantage in production or if it really did just slip through.
They should at least put the people's items in their bank box or something.
What a disaster. They sped this Pub through Test Center way too fast.
What a disaster. They sped this Pub through Test Center way too fast.
They updated it to say they were leaving them up over the weekend.
Well, it IS possible that the person just dropped the house and said screw the stuff ... or figured no one would come by and they could move at their convenience. I have done this before when it seemed like too much trouble to bother with unlocking everything.
Could it be the players who took down their own houses and left crappy items for decay?
how do you know there were exactly 15 new houses?
It would be nice if they were actualy being more proactive and not giving scammers a chance to screw over the uninformed. Seems odd it would matter then they were dropped if the person whom placed it was a vet and knew it was a bug and an exploit and knows better unless the placer is just mad because they did not have time to unload it on a unsuspecting person. I mean serously you have the gall to complain about them fixing a bug?
I want to Thank You JC this is my favorite post of the year that you really show youre true colors. I mean come on serously?
I want to Thank You JC this is my favorite post of the year that you really show youre true colors. I mean come on serously?
that screenshot is of a guard zone. i just found items on LS around brit farms as well. best thing so far obsidian statue but that doesn't mean someone else didn't come get the real goodies before i got there
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Jeremy
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A few houses were dropped before the decision was made to wait - the rest of them will stand til Monday.
A few? I only seen two still standing on Atlantic. It looks like they dropped every one they could find.
Publishes in the past have opened up unexpected places to place. The developers said that this was unintended, but they were intending to run an event. So one could take this as it would have just happened later on when the event began.
In any event, they should of let people get their items out and helping people reset the condemned status on their other house. Not deleting them and leaving players in the cold over a mistake they made.
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XavierArcanus
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"Few" is very subjective. Perhaps they started with Atlantic and got almost done before the decision to wait was made. I haven't found any collapsed houses on Baja.
Even if they demolished all of the illegal houses on Atlantic, that would still be relatively few to the entire UO population.
Given this official statement, the action of deleting houses is certainly consistent.
It is surprising that people are taking the stance of "Over Reaction", "Could not be hurting anyone" etc.
It isn't like these people did NOT KNOW they were doing an action that had until the PUBLICLY STATED BUG ("Guard Zones are BUSTED"), was an ILLEGAL and PROHIBITED act.
Lets see, some one sees a EA/M Public Announcement that Guard Zones are Broke and will be Fixed, goes out and immediately tries to EXPLOIT THAT BUG and then ..... what ..... insert adjective ..... about how they were being mistreated and EA/M is doing its typical OVER REACTION.
It is refreshing they seemed to conviently delete the houses on the shard that were placed bye the guild that has the player in it that just happened to place and broker and live off of monitarily all the luna houses he placed over the last 3 years.
If this was an accident on there point all I can say is :bowdown:
If this was an accident on there point all I can say is :bowdown:
I also love the fact that there blaming EA and saying it was there incompetence that created this situation rather then admiting they were doing something clearly stated in the roc as illegal.
I might be wrong but doesnt it say in the roc and the rules to report bugs? Instead of run out and exploit them?
I might be wrong but doesnt it say in the roc and the rules to report bugs? Instead of run out and exploit them?
I seriously have to agree with others on this ... anyone who has played this game for more that a few weeks knew those were no-place zones. Even if they missed the announcement that GZ were broken, they should have known better than to place or buy in such a place without first confirming that it was okay - and I don't mean confirming with the POS that was selling the house to them, either.
IMPO this is...Bad! & Lazy!
Go Fix it Now. Dont leave stuff like this Laying about!
To many past Problems where "Left till Monday", dont be like your predacessors.
Start a new Trend and fix problems Promptly...
Oh indeed it does. It goes so far as to say it is a bannable offense.
Given the above, it would seem EA/M's response of only immediately correcting the problem was a very weak, measured response.
People seem to be ignoring the fact that the developers knew that houses could be placed all day yesterday but did not put out a message telling players not to place or turn off the housing server. When we found out about it last night there were no houses placed in Britain from what I could see. Instead of informing us that we shouldn't be placing, they just let it happen. Now they are stealing player gold, items, real money for new open accounts and leaving people stuck with condemn houses.
So, are you asserting that EA/M should announce a Bug and that they are Fixing said Bug and "Oh by the way , you know that exploiting a bug is against the rule, so please do not exploit the Bug we announced or we will be forced to act"?
Are you equally going to assert that UO players do not know that exploiting a bug is against the rules, that they agreed to?
Turn off the Housing Server and penalize all the shards, catch people doing a resize etc, so those that delibertatly choose to exploit a bug wont be inconvenienced?
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This situation is a prime example of why Bugs should never ever be disclosed. People will just go off and exploit them then come up with really creative excuses like, "Well, you should have told us to not exploit that bug, when you announced it. Who gave you the impression we had enough self control to NOT exploit the bug you so conviently told us about?"
It wouldn't have matter if someone exploited it or not, the houses would end up being deleted. It would of also offered unsuspecting players the chance not to lose out by buying these houses.
This isn't something someone could have gotten away with. By doing what they did they have caused a lot of players unnecessary problems.
In this unique situation it is even more funny because Gamemasters used to put up signs telling people not to place houses in specific locations, that they would end up being deleted. So there is precedent for telling players not to place in a location the game allows. Even in the early days when house rules were much more lax, they told players not to place in such a way as to block passage into dungeons.
This isn't something someone could have gotten away with. By doing what they did they have caused a lot of players unnecessary problems.
In this unique situation it is even more funny because Gamemasters used to put up signs telling people not to place houses in specific locations, that they would end up being deleted. So there is precedent for telling players not to place in a location the game allows. Even in the early days when house rules were much more lax, they told players not to place in such a way as to block passage into dungeons.
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Atlantian
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The person that should be blamed is the one that told people about this bug and and not the devs.
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Flora Green
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They shouldn't have placed there in the first place. I'm not in the habit of defending EA/Mythic, especially considering some recent actions, but these people are to blame for losing their things. No one else.
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RavenWinterHawk
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Bingo.
Id fight by your side. A thinker.
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Deb
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I so agree...sounds to me a few greedy people are now PO'd. Or,
someone bought a house hoping to sell it for even more. No sympathy
here sorry
But on the other hand, I am quite excited about the upcoming "WAR"
since that is what this whole GZ bugginess is part of.
Using superlatives such as Lots of Players, implies either you know or your exaggerating. I am going to assume your exaggerating .....
Lets assume your scenario of leave it over the weekend.
In this scenario, would it not seem more likely, that for those that do not read message boards, the longer the houses stand the more legitimate the sellers argument (aka con/scam) is that they are Legal?
Once the house is sold, and then deleted on Monday, do you really think EA/M is going to reimburse the person that purchased the house?
Now lets assume a different scenario, EA/M deletes the houses immediate.
I think it would more or less be agreed that the sooner they delete these houses after being placed, the more likely the only person being inconvenienced is the placer. Not to mention that this action will spread word of mouth and act as a damper on future houses being placed, let alone being sold.
I think it would more or less be agreed that the Placer probably knows they are performing an illegal act.
In this scenario, I concede that some placers, will be innocent (even though ignorance of the rules does not constitute innocent, only compassion can do that).
If we compare the two sets of innocents, I believe most will agree the second scenario produces the lowest number of innocents that will be affected.
Or in short, it is my opinion, that to act quickly and decisively will cause the least number of problems.
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Addicted
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People have caused their own problems, by condemning their old house, nobody forced them to place in an area, they knew where a no place zone.
When the dev team knows of a dupe, they also don't tell you not to dupe until they have fixed it... both actions are using bugs in the game hence illegal.
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Aboo
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EXACTLY!!!
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Addicted
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From HOt boards:
http://www.hot-guild.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16346
JC the builder aka Link:
http://www.hot-guild.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16346
JC the builder aka Link:
I hope you all realize why JC_thebuilder is upset over this.
I agree, it was the poeple who placed the houses who are at fault here, and im sorry but unless the peroson buying the house really was new there is no excuse to purchase one in the first place. thats as far as i will defend EA/Mythic
Now as far as the houses being deleted. one would suspect that they would actually come to a decision before randomly dropping houses or is the organization in such a shambles as to not even have the lowest levels of communication present?
as for those arias being open, they have tried to keep that aria open for the possibility of new content being added, there used to be signs posted to that effect so new players would stop pagaing gms for the reason why they couldnt place in the first place.
housing has always been a sour issue, its one of the few ways EA can lord over us with impunity. the sole reason to limiting the number of houses to one per account was only to ensure that those of us who wanted more housing had to keep more accounts open.. all about money.
Now as far as the houses being deleted. one would suspect that they would actually come to a decision before randomly dropping houses or is the organization in such a shambles as to not even have the lowest levels of communication present?
as for those arias being open, they have tried to keep that aria open for the possibility of new content being added, there used to be signs posted to that effect so new players would stop pagaing gms for the reason why they couldnt place in the first place.
housing has always been a sour issue, its one of the few ways EA can lord over us with impunity. the sole reason to limiting the number of houses to one per account was only to ensure that those of us who wanted more housing had to keep more accounts open.. all about money.
Comparing this to a dupe is foolish. They can't be compared. With a dupe the developers won't be able to track the items being made. Here it is very easy to find and delete all the houses. They would have probably ended up with many fewer houses to delete saving them time if there was just an announcement not to place.
Have I once posted that the houses should remain? No I didn't. If the developers say the houses have to go then they have to go. But they should have let people demolish them and take out their items. Plus they should be having Gamemasters reset condemned status on other houses.Addicted said:
Not only did they handle the situation poorly when the houses were able to be placed, they drop the ball once again in getting them removed.
My 2c,
If this thread becomes about a poster and about the nature of that posters reason, then this thread is pointless and is really nothing more than a personal attack on that person.
In short, their reasons are not relevant, their argument for or against is what matters.
In short, the individual is arguing the case of compassion (it is NOT relevant if he really means it). That is of course an important aspect of this case.
The discussion might very well be about which side is in fact, advocating the more Compassionate solution.
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Aboo
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I wholeheartedly agree.
What I don't understand about the people who placed the houses is, anytime new areas have been opened for house placement, haven't we been given the word on it? Why would they think that all of a sudden some places would open up and no one would know about it?
I vaguely remember something like this happening before so anyone who was around then should have known better. Even if they weren't around then wouldn't common sense dictate to you that if all of a sudden directly after a Publish you are able to place in a spot previously unplaceable, that something is probably amiss?
http://guide.uo.com/house_4.html
House Placement Rules
To sum up, the following rules apply to placing a house:
An unobstructed, flat spot must be present throughout the entire footprint of house
A buffer zone of five tiles north and south, and one tile east and west cannot contain rocks, trees, plants, other houses or other objects.
Houses cannot be placed in justice regions (those patrolled by guards) or in other areas specifically zoned against housing (such as dungeons).
The character placing the house must be at least 15 days old.
Players are only allowed to own one house per account.
I know the guards were taken down yesterday; HOWEVER, to place a house in a known guard zone is an EXPLOIT. So, rather than reporting this bug/exploit, certain individuals decided to make a quick buck, place a house/keep and now their feelers are hurt and wounded "wah wah wah"
. I feel no remorse for those people out there that do these types of things. As for the person/people that might have purchased one of these homes; EA has said over and over "Buyer Beware". Prior to making a large purchase, the buyer should always check things out to ensure they are on the up and up.
House Placement Rules
To sum up, the following rules apply to placing a house:
An unobstructed, flat spot must be present throughout the entire footprint of house
A buffer zone of five tiles north and south, and one tile east and west cannot contain rocks, trees, plants, other houses or other objects.
Houses cannot be placed in justice regions (those patrolled by guards) or in other areas specifically zoned against housing (such as dungeons).
The character placing the house must be at least 15 days old.
Players are only allowed to own one house per account.
I know the guards were taken down yesterday; HOWEVER, to place a house in a known guard zone is an EXPLOIT. So, rather than reporting this bug/exploit, certain individuals decided to make a quick buck, place a house/keep and now their feelers are hurt and wounded "wah wah wah"
. I feel no remorse for those people out there that do these types of things. As for the person/people that might have purchased one of these homes; EA has said over and over "Buyer Beware". Prior to making a large purchase, the buyer should always check things out to ensure they are on the up and up.
Idle thought
I wonder if EA have made a note of the accounts who's owners showed such willing enthusiasm to exploit what they knew full well to be an inadvertent bug.
I would have, and put them on a 'watch' list.
I wonder if EA have made a note of the accounts who's owners showed such willing enthusiasm to exploit what they knew full well to be an inadvertent bug.
I would have, and put them on a 'watch' list.
I completely concur with that.
One must assume that OSI/Mythic/EA/M etc is acting in a fair manner. This means they do not give favored people an advantage.
Given the above, that would explain why they have always announced new Housing areas/changes to housing placement rules.
To think they made a change to Housing Placement and did NOT announce it, is just a tad bit to disingenuous for me accept as an excuse/rational to legitimize people placing the houses.
If we accept they knowingly exploited a bug, then there should not be any acceptable argument for giving them time to correct their actions, when in fact, in this context, they can transfer their illegal act, to an uniformed (but that does not constitute innocent) player for profit (the egregious form of exploiting, FOR PERSONAL PROFIT)
I know I would have
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Kith Kanan
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If peopel dont get banned for this , what is a clear exploit , I want my freaking house and account back !!!!!
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