The mist clears somewhat?

[Lucy of Kenton]

i recently did something ive never done before. gave someone my acct details for the banned acct. that person discovered that my ban reason has changed. now 'suspected exploitation'.
that being the case im pretty sure that i know the incident..... it was a way of getting some aos cloth. i apologise in advance to some persons as when i saw the way i actually paged a gm as i wondered if it was legal. eventually i got in gm chat and i asked the gm 'is this illegal' he said to perhaps stop doing it, so i asked again is it illegal. he would not answer the question but suggested i stop so i did. so perhaps im banned for showing ea a bug and to think i asked the gm if i would get a reward for pointing it out! my reward? banned. i didnt contravene tos and note its suspected exploitation.
how i wish i had screenshotted the gm's comments as i kept asking if it was illegal and he would not commit himself

 

[Dol'Gorath]

Don't bother reporting bugs they are just gonna ban you. EA is so completely inept at these matters. I can't wait to see how badly WAR fails.

 

[Mortharr/Revenge]

suspected exploitation is what every account says when u log into ea registration i think (if its banned that is) no matter the reason

 

[Haddy G]

it was a way of getting some aos cloth.

An you wonder why you got banned

 

[Kith Kanan]

Ultima Online
Status: SUSPENDED
Suspension Date: 2008-08-02
Suspension Reason: Suspected Misconduct - Exploitation

its just another freaking standard canned msg....

 

[ravenwaves]

Don't bother reporting bugs they are just gonna ban you. EA is so completely inept at these matters. I can't wait to see how badly WAR fails.

Bitter much?

UO is quite literally Mythic's stepchild, so don't count on the same treatment.

Plus, GMs have never been noted for being much less than inept for the past decade? Did mythic employ the Pre AOS gms as well?

 

[ravenwaves]

k... so UO GMs have a decade long bad rep, and Warhammer is going to fail overall because some of the 3 GMs on duty will be answering warhammer petitions too?

 

[Dol'Gorath]

k... so UO GMs have a decade long bad rep, and Warhammer is going to fail overall because some of the 3 GMs on duty will be answering warhammer petitions too?

No. Because EA is doing their usual thing of rushing the game out before it's ready and taking out content. For example half the zones and 3-4 capital cities being removed to get it out by Christmas? nice move EA.

There is a reason Blizzard products are so successful. Blizz has a reputation of delaying everything till it's perfect. Never once has anything related to Warcraft, WoW, Diablo or Starcraft been delayed, and as a result always great upon release and relatively bug free.

 

[Black Betty]

i recently did something ive never done before. gave someone my acct details for the banned acct. that person discovered that my ban reason has changed. now 'suspected exploitation'.
that being the case im pretty sure that i know the incident..... it was a way of getting some aos cloth. i apologise in advance to some persons as when i saw the way i actually paged a gm as i wondered if it was legal. eventually i got in gm chat and i asked the gm 'is this illegal' he said to perhaps stop doing it, so i asked again is it illegal. he would not answer the question but suggested i stop so i did. so perhaps im banned for showing ea a bug and to think i asked the gm if i would get a reward for pointing it out! my reward? banned. i didnt contravene tos and note its suspected exploitation.
how i wish i had screenshotted the gm's comments as i kept asking if it was illegal and he would not commit himself

Sorry, but showing EA a bug and working an exploit are two different things. If he suggested that you stop, that should have been enough of a warning. Now WE ALL KNOW why you were banned.

I believe Jeremy said it best when she said that just because you report an exploit/bug doesn't mean you can work that exploit thinking you will be exempt from any actions to your account. Probably working the exploit in hopes that they will turn their heads and allow the items like the sigil stuff? This is beyond ********!

Simple question is, why was only ONE of your accounts banned?

A Dancing broccoli to support the justified bans!!!!

 

[ravenwaves]

No. Because EA is doing their usual thing of rushing the game out before it's ready and taking out content. For example half the zones and 3-4 capital cities being removed to get it out by Christmas? nice move EA.

There is a reason Blizzard products are so successful. Blizz has a reputation of delaying everything till it's perfect. Never once has anything related to Warcraft, WoW, Diablo or Starcraft been delayed, and as a result always great upon release and relatively bug free.

I'm not going to get too into a heated argument, but I'm convinced you're intent on blindly slamming anything that comes up because you happen to be in the mood.

WoW was not perfect, Warhammer is not perfect, Age of Conan is not perfect. All are or were riddled with bugs.

Every MMO publishing house has it's faults. And links are spurious at best.

I am so sick of UO malcontents. "X MMO will fail because I played UO and I'm authoritative enough to know"

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

sadie as i wrote, when he suggested i stop i did. so you now think i should not be reinstated but rather they ban my other accounts. cant remember what wrong i have done you?

 

[Black Betty]

This isn't about any wrong you have ever done me. As I stated before, even though you happen to be guilded with me, I don't know you and have never spent any time with you on a regular basis that I am aware of. Good grief.

If you were banned for a bannable offense, then why should your other accounts be not banned also as stated in the ToS? You said you stopped, but did you keep the cloth in hopes the devs would 'turn their heads' the way they did with the sigil stuff? Example: I had a bugged quiver from an idoc. Knowing it was illegal and bannable, it was thrown in the trash barrel. Maybe you hung onto the illegal cloth?

Why feel sorry for someone that lost a minute amount when in reality still has probably billions in rares in a 'museum'?

Not only that, but even when I tried to be supportive and telling you that if you are innocent, then it would be reversed just as it was with Tia, you had a problem with that. It wasn't enough.

You have created a drama fest surrounding this situation that you are actually GUILTY of and want people to feel sorry for you or try to understand?

rolleyes:

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

explain to me again what i am guilty of? informing ea of a bug?

 

[~Antzy~Pantz~]

What did you do with all the cloth once the gm told you to stop doing whatever it was you were doing? If you kept the cloth then there ya go, you got your answer. If he told you to stop doing it then it was obviously an exploit therefore anything coming from it would be "duped".. common sense?

 

[Amathist of PoC]

Sorry to say Lucy but it does seem you are missing everyone's point. Yes it was good you reported the bug - great wonderful fantastic we need more of it.

The thing that possibly makes you guilty is the fact that you kept the spoils of showing EA the bug...you have not yet answered if this is or is not the case but that is what is the difference between being total innocent and partly innocent or guilty as some put it.

You did do a good thing BUT if you kept the spoils of that good thing or previous spoils of the good thing as I asume you did it before you paged the GM to know that you could do it when you paged the gm. There for you kept an illigal item you should have trash barreled it the moment the GM told you to stop and that it was not the thing to do.

 

[Sarsmi]

Hrm, I'd really like to know if you can get banned for having this illegal aos hued cloth in your posession. No I don't have any, I don't know how to make it, but I do have various "green" clothing items that you can dye with the tokuno dyes then cut up to make cloth. So is that now illegal to do?

 

[THP]

Has far as iam aware the asian shards held ingame events ..were slimes could be 'used' to collect AOS coloured cloth...a differnt colour each day??? surely anyone could have xsharded this cloth back to a western shard???

Also Jeremy stated at the town hall that it was the CS Staff that dealt the last bannings = Read customer service staff.....things get stranger and stranger.

 

[KoolAidAddict]

Also Jeremy stated at the town hall that it was the CS Staff that dealt the last bannings = Read customer service staff.....things get stranger and stranger.

I believe the question was about Draconi being involved in these bannings because he was supposedly still in Japan working with the live team, and she verified he was, he didnt do "these" bannings, CS did.
Not strange at all, IMO.
Further, IMO of course, I dont care who does the bannings of exploiters, cheaters, and hopefully very soon scripting losers, so long as it gets done.
Go get the window cleaner for all I care, just do it!!

To the op.........They said yesterday you are NOT exempt from banning if your reporting a bug/exploit AND your doing it as well. Didnt you post that you were told to "stop doing it"? So, you feel like it should be ok for you to have done the exploit but not get banned for it, since its a bannable offense to whom, everyone else except you?

Sorry, Im gonna have to vote to evict you.
Be happy Im not in charge of this action, it would have been all accounts.

PS...I thought I overheard jeremy alluding to something they are working on to track the link to "all accounts" for future evictions.
Sweeeeet!!

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

no i do not have the cloth and no i did not continue to do what i was doing

 

[Black Betty]

While I do not like the fact that there haven't been a lot of real answers as to what really happened, I find it VERY difficult to believe this is some kind of conspiracy. I would think EA would be trying to hold onto what little revenue they have coming in. Why would they reverse Tia's ban when she was innocent and not yours?

You didn't report a bug/exploit really. You merely asked if it was illegal. I'm sorry if I find it a bit hard to swallow that you would be banned for reporting something. You didn't report it, you were working it. HUGE difference.

Why not post this on the Europa forum where everyone is posting 'dancing broccoli' in support of your "innocent" ban?

Just doesn't add up for me or make ANY sense whatsoever.

 

[~Antzy~Pantz~]

no i do not have the cloth and no i did not continue to do what i was doing

K well they don't ban for being ahead of the game and reporting bugs, they don't just up and ban "innocent" players, so somewhere there is more to the story.. but i'm sure alot of people are burnt out on reading these "unfair" ban posts, so keep it short and sweet

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

im wondering why your read the post. and im sorry that you believe i am a liar and i hope that if it had been you that i would not react in the same way.
if you wish me to clarify any point then please pm me and i will be more than willing to do so

 

[drinkbeerallday]

Bitter much?

UO is quite literally Mythic's stepchild, so don't count on the same treatment.

Plus, GMs have never been noted for being much less than inept for the past decade? Did mythic employ the Pre AOS gms as well?

yeah but the customer service staff is completely separate from the development team. that is what the problem is.

they should all be working in the same building on the same floor and there should be a liaison.

but EA is mostly about making money, and most UO players don't really care how they run the game as long as they can log in go kill a few baddies.

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

very true. the reason im so determined is that ea/mythic have branded me a liar and a cheat and some people are going to believe that.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

K well they don't ban for being ahead of the game and reporting bugs, they don't just up and ban "innocent" players, so somewhere there is more to the story.. but i'm sure alot of people are burnt out on reading these "unfair" ban posts, so keep it short and sweet

they admitted last night that sometimes they do ban innocent players but that it is rare.

 

[bokke]

Why is it that only one of her accounts was banned and the others were not? Surely this is contra to what a ban entails?

 

[Black Betty]

very true. the reason im so determined is that ea/mythic have branded me a liar and a cheat and some people are going to believe that.

Let it go. You worked an exploit. You got caught. You were banned.

THE ONLY INJUSTICE HERE IS THAT ONLY ONE OF YOUR ACCOUNTS WERE BANNED AND NOT ALL OF THEM!

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

perhaps you and black betty can e-mail ea to get my others perma banned as they sure arent answering reinstating posts
sadie you have clearly not read my post. im just amazed how some people and particularly a person from teh same guild can take such pleasure form kicking someone when they are down. somehow you have clearly not read what i have posted properly.
blackbetty as your posts upset me you are going on my ignore. but as i say if you wish to discuss it then pm me or even meet me in game. but like alot of bullies im guessing you wont do that and will remain the expert on why i was banned as i sure dont know why

 

[Black Betty]

perhaps you and black betty can e-mail ea to get my others perma banned as they sure arent answering reinstating posts
sadie you have clearly not read my post. im just amazed how some people and particularly a person from teh same guild can take such pleasure form kicking someone when they are down. somehow you have clearly not read what i have posted properly.
blackbetty as your posts upset me you are going on my ignore. but as i say if you wish to discuss it then pm me or even meet me in game. but like alot of bullies im guessing you wont do that and will remain the expert on why i was banned as i sure dont know why

lol

 

[hawkeye_pike]

it was a way of getting some aos cloth.

If you expect us to make a statement, you should go into more detail about what you actually have done. Have you exploited a bug? Did you knowingly dupe? If you did so, your banning was probably legitimate. Calling a GM afterwards (maybe because you expected being caught) obviously couldn't safe you anymore.

 

[Kith Kanan]

Black Betty you sure talk alot of shid about stuff you dont have a clue about....

 

[Black Betty]

I see the banned folks are sticking together. Cute how you are holding hands.

 

[Leto]

 

[Wenchkin]

While I do not like the fact that there haven't been a lot of real answers as to what really happened, I find it VERY difficult to believe this is some kind of conspiracy. I would think EA would be trying to hold onto what little revenue they have coming in. Why would they reverse Tia's ban when she was innocent and not yours?

You didn't report a bug/exploit really. You merely asked if it was illegal. I'm sorry if I find it a bit hard to swallow that you would be banned for reporting something. You didn't report it, you were working it. HUGE difference.

Why not post this on the Europa forum where everyone is posting 'dancing broccoli' in support of your "innocent" ban?

Just doesn't add up for me or make ANY sense whatsoever.

I'm sure glad I'm not a guildmate of yours. Did you login Lucy's account and see what she did or which items she had? You're acting 100% sure that Lucy is lying, when in fact EA could have put yet another stock message on their site and banned her for something entirely different. Nice attitude.

I don't think this has anything to do with creating cloth or reporting a bug. Because Lucy would have been banned at the time, not left to carry on selling her illegal items until the duping bans. I know GMs don't have a great reputation for action in UO, but that would get a gold star for incompetence if it happened. Did the EA emails say she was banned for duping? No. Owning illegal items doesn't mean you created them.

Don't you think that Lucy would have been extraordinarily dumb to dupe on an account loaded with checks and property? If you're going to do things like dupe, you do them on a throwaway account, unless you have the savvy of an amoeba. Especially if you've actively participated in discussions about fighting cheats on Uhall for a considerable length of time.

Wenchy

 

[Raider Red]

Let it go. You worked an exploit. You got caught. You were banned.

THE ONLY INJUSTICE HERE IS THAT ONLY ONE OF YOUR ACCOUNTS WERE BANNED AND NOT ALL OF THEM!

I agree 100% with balck betty the the ONLY injustice is that one her accounts was when ALL of her accounts SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED.If it is serious enoguh to ban one account then ban all accounts tied to the IP address.

Lucy Please just stop trying to defend yourelf,because everytime you try to your story changes and the more it changes the more it makes you look guilty.Plus you could end up making your self sick getting all worked up.Besides if you are that worried and upset over your "unfair" ban why dont you close all you accounts and go play a different game.

 

[Lady Michelle]

i recently did something ive never done before. gave someone my acct details for the banned acct. that person discovered that my ban reason has changed. now 'suspected exploitation'.
that being the case im pretty sure that i know the incident..... it was a way of getting some aos cloth. i apologise in advance to some persons as when i saw the way i actually paged a gm as i wondered if it was legal. eventually i got in gm chat and i asked the gm 'is this illegal' he said to perhaps stop doing it, so i asked again is it illegal. he would not answer the question but suggested i stop so i did. so perhaps im banned for showing ea a bug and to think i asked the gm if i would get a reward for pointing it out! my reward? banned. i didnt contravene tos and note its suspected exploitation.
how i wish i had screenshotted the gm's comments as i kept asking if it was illegal and he would not commit himself

When they want people to report a exploit I think they meant send the bug report in by writing about how it is done not page a GM to come watch you do the exploit and ask if its illegal to do. I think it was a misunderstanding on your part on how to file a bug report from what you posted here.

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

Let it go. You worked an exploit. You got caught. You were banned.

THE ONLY INJUSTICE HERE IS THAT ONLY ONE OF YOUR ACCOUNTS WERE BANNED AND NOT ALL OF THEM!

I agree 100% with balck betty the the ONLY injustice is that one her accounts was when ALL of her accounts SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED.If it is serious enoguh to ban one account then ban all accounts tied to the IP address.

Lucy Please just stop trying to defend yourelf,because everytime you try to your story changes and the more it changes the more it makes you look guilty.Plus you could end up making your self sick getting all worked up.Besides if you are that worried and upset over your "unfair" ban why dont you close all you accounts and go play a different game.

i am playing a different game but i will continue to defend myself. perhaps you could expand on my always changing story?
my initial wonder was that it was reporting the exploit. after that it seemed that quantity of items was and issue so i assumed it was duped checks, now its back to the exploit. at the bottom of this is a loyal member of the uo community. if i just go away without a comment then ea will always known to be right.
injustice is wrong however its packaged up to be. so fight injustice always
and never back down

 

[Kith Kanan]

I see the banned folks are sticking together. Cute how you are holding hands.

I see ignorant peopel !!!!

 

[Black Betty]

I see ignorant peopel !!!!

That should read:

"I see ignorant people".

Spell check for the win. lol

 

[AesSedai]

Lucy,
It seems that if:
You did not do this exploit yourself on that account
&
You did not ever have more than a few of these things on that account
Then this would not be the reason they targeted that account to be banned.

They way I read your original post, it looks as if you only:
1 observed how this was done
&
2 reported it and questioned its legality

Except:
3 When he suggested you stop doing it you said that you did ("so i asked again is it illegal. he would not answer the question but suggested i stop so i did."), and that seems to be a direct contradiction to the way you phrased the first 2 points you made. It seems to be... I am not saying it definitely is because I may have misunderstood what you were trying to say.

They might have flagged your account to be further scrutinized when you kept questioning whether these items, that you admit were created by an exploit, were legal.
And since you knew it was a bug when you paged the GM, you knew these items were created by exploiting the game.

Just trying to help clear things up for you, and all.

 

[Kith Kanan]

That should read:

"I see ignorant people".

Spell check for the win. lol

jamen tak for det din dumme gås , så kan du jo spell check det her....

Lucy dont waste a second on what these peopel think , they dont know what happend , they didnt get an account banned and handed a msg in a can , and no replies , except canned ones , to there e-mails ... They are just silly muppets that think EA cant do no wrong ( omg one has to be daft as a snail to belive that ) , and are just rambling away bout stuff they have no clue about

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

yes you appear to have read and understood what i said. i was unsure as to the legality and certainly did not beleive i was doing something illegal so i wished to ensure i was not doing something illegal so i called a gm. the gm appeared and asked me what i paged about so i showed him. and asked if it was illegal. he would not say it was illegal but suggested i stop which i subsequently did. i have no material in store.
i did not know it was illegal when i paged the gm and wanted to clarify if it was or wasnt. im sure a dishonest player would not have bothered paging to check?
and yes i did keep asking if it was illegal as i wanted a definitive answer so i could warn other people off if they were going to do it

 

[Lucy of Kenton]

it would be so much easier to just vanish and avoid the nasty trolling but to do that would be to let ea get away with clouding my honesty. i just wish people werent so blatantly nasty. perhaps they get a kick outta being nasty. who knows?

 

[Ender]

I hope Jeremy/someone from EA comes and tells you exactly what you guys were banned for, so you can shut up and go back to playing or just leave us alone.

 

[Kith Kanan]

Well the lack of response to my mails and filled out forms says that the chance of tha happening is very low.....

 

[galefan2004]

Bitter much?

UO is quite literally Mythic's stepchild, so don't count on the same treatment.

Mythic has made a lot of failures. The track record of DAoC is not much better than the track record of UO. The track records of both combined don't make me hot and bothered to try WAR.

 

[galefan2004]

WoW was not perfect, Warhammer is not perfect, Age of Conan is not perfect. All are or were riddled with bugs.

WoW was pretty damn close to perfet...much closer than the other two games you mentioned. That is part of why it was so successful. Honestly, WoW had a rough start, but the subscriptions still balooned because the game was solid at its core. Time will tell if WAR does any well. AoC is already a joke to the vast majority of the gaming community. It was simply another WoW clone that didn't have a candle to hold.

I am so sick of UO malcontents. "X MMO will fail because I played UO and I'm authoritative enough to know"

The issue is that the thing Mythic knows how to do best is drive players from the game. They have done it with everything they ever worked on including DAoC. The thing that EA knows how to do best is drive players from the game as evidenced by UO. You honestly believe that the same companies with horrible track records that gave you two of the biggest blights on the MMORPG genre are suddenly going to make a hit? Good luck with that.

 

[Raider Red]

injustice is wrong however its packaged up to be. so fight injustice always
and never back down

RELAX it is just a game,not a freaking fight against communism.


Best thing to remember when makinh up an excuse for someones actions is "the shorter the story the less to remember when questioned by 1 or more people".you seem to be a nice person and jsu got caught doing something wrong and too embarassed to admit it.


you posted about how you didn't own runics,then later you said about 10 then you cahnged it back to only 4 runic hammers you bought at 18 mil(knowing damn well they should be 40+ mil)that was on a char and you complained that you never got to use the hammers,meaning if you didnt get banned you would have knowingly used a duped hammer to make weapons or armor.

this is not a personal attack but you wanted specifics to how you changed your story.If I turn out to be wrong about I will admit it and apologize for it.

Why dont you be mature and just admit that you decided to take chance and buy duped hammers(this is more than likely the what happend) to try and even the playing field ,wether in pvp or pvm, you actually got caught the first time you ever did that.I know I have been tempted a time or two to cheat and use a script or speed hack,but if I have to cheat at a game then why play it.Plus(like trying to sell drugs) I am too afraid I would get caught on my first attempt and for the rest of my life I would be known as a drug dealer.

 

[Richtor Darkbane]

This whole thread makes me sad, doesn't anyone take the high road anymore?

 

[Haddy G]

Mythic has made a lot of failures. The track record of DAoC is not much better than the track record of UO. The track records of both combined don't make me hot and bothered to try WAR.

WAR may go to hell in the future, but right now the beta is pretty damn fun Your missing out on some good fun if you don't try it.