Chief Justice Battle Plan Idea

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

I have truly enjoyes every single Stratics event I have been in. However After last night I can see there is still a few tweaks that can be made for everyone to get the same enjoyment out of these events.

First I want to say Good Job Sheriff Tricky on giving your best efforts in getting groups together.

Good job to the Group I went in with. You all worked hard and won a severly one sided fight that was not in our favor.

Great job to the group that fought Valiently to succeed but went sad in utter displeasure.

Here is my thoughts. When we line up for Vp we line up MAXED holly's on the left and everyone else on right. That way all the toons get the chance to have a succesful VP.

When we go to the CFo we line up with craners on the left and stompers on the right. In my experience the craners tend to be the more experienced toons in the battle.

My suggestion is this. For the CJ and CEO battles we should line up the same. The more advanced toons on the left and the less experienced toon on the right. That way WHOEVER is making groups knows that they are not sending multiple toons to get pedicure checkups. I don't blame anyone that was in the battle or putting it together. I just see that there is room for improvement.

Cast your vote and be heard!

SUIT SIZE DON"T MATTER ONLY EXPERIENCE!

 

[Little Sadie]

I like the idea of experienced on onside and needing practice on the left. That said, I don't think it should go by suit size. There are many of us who have maxed law and are working 2nd and 3rd toons. I think my lower toons are only in the lowest law suits but that doesn't mean I am not experienced since I have a toon maxed in law. If it gets done this way then it will have to be trusted that those that line up do it correctly. I would think we would have to divide ourselves up and not put it on Trish to decided yet another thing on an already busy time.

 

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

Goode Point I made a notation in my post.

 

[MissPoodledoodle]

With decieding who's has experience, do you choose for yourself? Like if you are comfortable in CJ but have like a BS suit which side should you be on?

 

[Trish]

My suggestion is this. For the CJ and CEO battles we should line up the same. The more advanced toons on the left and the less experienced toon on the right. That way WHOEVER is making groups knows that they are not sending multiple toons to get pedicure checkups. I don't blame anyone that was in the battle or putting it together. I just see that there is room for improvement.

You know, normally I take everyone right in order on the CJ and we have NEVER had a problem like last night. I don't know what happened, because I never saw Eric say anything and I could only understand Eric and Elga. There were 8 there, but for some reason Snout thought she got left out. She ended up leaving. All I could say to her was *shrug* because I had no idea. I asked Eric but got no answer. I really wanted someone organizing that could talk to more people than me.

Now, as for the specific detail.. by all rights, that run should've been the EASIEST of the bunch last night, with all those small suits. 8 cogs throwing slower, very few gavels.. I wasn't there, so I don't know what made it difficult, but I'd like to know. Our maxing run had 10 cogs, gavels everywhere, and a ton of miscommunication that got us off on a very bad foot (unites being thrown everywhere by the scales).

 

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

Yes you decide if you are efficient enough at it or if you would rather be with people that had more experience so you can improve your skills.

I personally will be on the right when we go to CEo cause I still am not good enough at it to consider myself but of only a little use to the group I am in. i often get confused in there. And I have also seen myself run in circles trying to figure out where I should be.

 

[MissPoodledoodle]

Ok, I'm comforable in CJ, but not CEO quite yet.

 

[Sally Bumblefoot]

Now, as for the specific detail.. by all rights, that run should've been the EASIEST of the bunch last night, with all those small suits. 8 cogs throwing slower, very few gavels.. I wasn't there, so I don't know what made it difficult, but I'd like to know. Our maxing run had 10 cogs, gavels everywhere, and a ton of miscommunication that got us off on a very bad foot (unites being thrown everywhere by the scales).

OWOOO!! We were sent in with 6 toons, 5 of which had very little experience. Most didnt know how to jump evidence (shoot I'm still trying to get that down) or time the jumps of the CJ. I saw people getting hit by gavels. We only sat 3 jurors. If you have 4-5 toons that are losing laff right and left there is no way to tune them all. I lost my laff trying to check people, tu people, while still trying to get some evidence in the pan. We didnt stand a chance from the start. If they were all second toons or something I agree with you. But they werent. These were toons that were all new to the CJ and there were not enough experienced toons to help them through. There was not enough strong toons that could keep their laff up enough to keep up the task of defeating the CJ while others try to keep the less experienced toons from going sad. Everyone has to learn how to CJ. No one goes in there and after the first few times knows exactly when to jump, where to stand, or how to stun. We did amazingly well for quite a while given the amount of laff lost. With the scale that high and few toons hitting the scale without the advantage of a bonus, it would have been a long fight either way, and if you cant avoid evidence it is impossible. If we had seated 7 or 8 jurors we may have even been successful. I just can't say enough about every single toon in that battle. They all fought so hard. Everyone did their absolute best. The task was just bigger than we were.

We didnt have the advantage of experience. We had no one that could stun enough to get even one bonus. You may have had more gavels and cogs to contend with but you had mountains of experience to help you deal with it. You cant seriously tell me that you think fewer gavels and evidence means more than experience.

 

[Trish]

Now, as for the specific detail.. by all rights, that run should've been the EASIEST of the bunch last night, with all those small suits. 8 cogs throwing slower, very few gavels.. I wasn't there, so I don't know what made it difficult, but I'd like to know. Our maxing run had 10 cogs, gavels everywhere, and a ton of miscommunication that got us off on a very bad foot (unites being thrown everywhere by the scales).

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We didnt have the advantage of experience. We had no one that could stun enough to get even one bonus. You may have had more gavels and cogs to contend with but you had mountains of experience to help you deal with it. You cant seriously tell me that you think fewer gavels and evidence means more than experience.

Nope, I can't seriously tell you that. But YOU told me what I asked, which is what happened to make what should've been an easy CJ so difficult. I never saw who was on that run, except for you. I saw a bunch of small suits and in my mind I was thinking "they're going to be ok because all of the suits were small". Even after Wally shuffled himself out and you were six, I still thought y'all would be OK, because of that. I had no idea who the toons were (except you like I said), whether this was their 1st toon or 6th to work the CJ, etc etc.

So judging from the poll so far, many of you think we should self-police like we do in the VP and separate left and right. That's fine, less work for me.

 

[Granjell]

I have a question that maybe relates to this topic, but maybe not. I've noticed that trying to toon up someone with evidence near the pan just seems to attract more evidence flying toward those toons. I've also see that huddling in the corner by the witness stand also attracts flying evidence. Is there a "sweet spot" that would be a good place to run for tooning up someone who is dangerously low? Away from the pan? Away from everyone else?

P. S. - I am fully in favor of self-policing re: experience. However, I do believe that a central person selecting groups of 8 does add some balance and certainty (is that the right word... maybe comfort?) to the loading procedure. ITOTALLY appreciate anyone who takes on the job for CFO, and I miss it heartily when it turns into a free-for-all at the elevator in VP.

 

[Trish]

I have a question that maybe relates to this topic, but maybe not. I've noticed that trying to toon up someone with evidence near the pan just seems to attract more evidence flying toward those toons. I've also see that huddling in the corner by the witness stand also attracts flying evidence. Is there a "sweet spot" that would be a good place to run for tooning up someone who is dangerously low? Away from the pan? Away from everyone else?

I can assure you, after our run where we lost on purpose, there is no safe spot anywhere.

P. S. - I am fully in favor of self-policing re: experience. However, I do believe that a central person selecting groups of 8 does add some balance and certainty (is that the right word... maybe comfort?) to the loading procedure. ITOTALLY appreciate anyone who takes on the job for CFO, and I miss it heartily when it turns into a free-for-all at the elevator in VP.

We have more revenge runs for the VP, since we switched to this method. We'll probably have more revenge runs for the CJ too. But whatever y'all want.

 

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

I still believe that if everyone followed the rules for the Vp loading there would be less Revenge runs. I can't count how many times I have seen only 1 or 2 holly's go with a group into the VP on one of your runs.

When I first came to Stratics I did alot of research to find out how things were done so I could fit in with minor inconvenience to anyone. In the Events Calander there was specific instructions on where to stand and how to load. Once I made a few friends they also helped me learn the rest of the things.

In every VP that I have been in where it loaded 4 and 4 we have always had 8 in 8 out. Maybe it was just pure luck. I don't know.

As for CFO I love the way it is planned out. Although in the Events planner it says craners on left and stompers on the right there is alwys a large group hanging on the stairs. Please don't take this the wrong way. I realize that they are all friends and like to battle together. But didn't I read that the reason for the coordinator was so that different people got to battle with eachother to enhance the community and the experience?

Again I am not trying to rub people wrong and ruffle any feathers. I am just pointing out something I thought I read.

Anyway, you guys rock no matter how we do it. I am in. I just love playing ToonTown along side of you all.

 

[Trish]

Actually, Wolfie's group has been better about mixing among us. The last two Sundays we've had a maxing party, both which involved a big chunk of Wolfie's clan.

 

[Squeaker]

Back to the group on the stairs? Nowadays - that group is just a maxing group. It used to be those willing to go in short as the last group. By popular demand, we have moved away from the stairs. I don't think it's helped much. Anyone who knows how I play, knows that I try my best but am not one of the elite, expert players. But I stayed quiet as everyone assumed that only the best players were staying behind... everyone know the truth now?

On a side note - another dr appt thurs so I'm still very sick and very cranky. Sorry if I'm sounding rude. Now I'm going to log off and not say another word until I feel better....

 

[Steveo]

When I first started running boss battle with stratics Trish grouped everyone even with the VP. I went on numerous runs and I dont think we had to do any revenge runs. In my opinion if you leave it up to the person to decide whether or not they are good or need practice you could run into problems. Unless the people are honest. I know my weakest is the CJ out of all four battles. For one, I have seen toons that say they can crane and they throw safes on the CFO all the time. Personally I would rather keep it like it is but that is my personal opinion. Trish does a great job. I have grouped the CJ before and its not easy but most of the time if everyone listens and goes in with their group they should not have any problems. Except if someone gets disconnected.

 

[Squeaker]

Already breaking my code of silence but I can't help myself.. Steve... groping the CJ?? I wasn't even sure if it was male or female! I learn something new everyday. Back to quiet

 

[Steveo]

Already breaking my code of silence but I can't help myself.. Steve... groping the CJ?? I wasn't even sure if it was male or female! I learn something new everyday. Back to quiet

I learned something new also today. I CAN'T SPELL. Thanks Sgt for finding my error. LOL! Back at you.

 

[SSniffleslam]

Haha!! That was great...

Back on topic, personally, I really don't care how it's done, I'll go either way, but then again, I haven't gone sad in a run yet....which is, I'm sure, a lot to do with luck, but it's also a lot to do with the fact that you guys are awesome!!!

 

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

This post wasnt about the CFO. I think the CFO is the smoothest run Boss Battle we do. My concern was and is the CJ and possibly the CEO. As I also still struggle with both of the battles.

As an added note. I only get in to the revenge runs to build my suit. On the rare occasion that I did go sad in a boss then it is revenge. Most times it is because I am trying to gain experience or build up. That and the last handful I have been on were short handed anyway.

 

[Sally Bumblefoot]

I still believe that if everyone followed the rules for the Vp loading there would be less Revenge runs. I can't count how many times I have seen only 1 or 2 holly's go with a group into the VP on one of your runs.

In every VP that I have been in where it loaded 4 and 4 we have always had 8 in 8 out. Maybe it was just pure luck. I don't know.

I can't keep quiet about this one. I dont think there has been one week since the change where this hasnt been a problem, at least on the elevator I get on. The elevator has 5 or 6 smaller suits on it and maybe one hollywood. I wait and wait thinking surely someone from the left will get on. The elevator gets to 3-4 seconds and no one loads!!!! So I get on from the right (I VP with Precious who is a ND) even though that means it is a load of small toons. I figure Precious has maxed gags and Sally B is a HW 50 so I could qualify anyway and it would certainly be better than sending a group of small toons on a short elevator. By the way, I usually end up getting on one of the first elevators because of this so I dont know what happens for the majority of the groups. Its not like there is a shortage of HWs at this point. Every week I end up tuning at least 1 or 2 of these small toons so they don't go sad (which I love doing by the way). If I followed the "rules" on these weeks, there would have been more incidents of sadness needing revenge. Then I have heard of groups of HW going together at the end because all the little toons are gone!! The left side is supposed to be the strong toons that can help. The leaders so to speak. They need to load to ensure there are at least 3 or 4 of them on the elevator and make sure that an elevator doesnt leave short when it is loaded with all small toons!!! I really dont understand why this is happening. I can see why there are more revenge runs.

 

[Steveo]

I can't keep quiet about this one. I dont think there has been one week since the change where this hasnt been a problem, at least on the elevator I get on. The elevator has 5 or 6 smaller suits on it and maybe one hollywood. I wait and wait thinking surely someone from the left will get on. The elevator gets to 3-4 seconds and no one loads!!!! So I get on from the right (I VP with Precious who is a ND) even though that means it is a load of small toons. I figure Precious has maxed gags and Sally B is a HW 50 so I could qualify anyway and it would certainly be better than sending a group of small toons on a short elevator. By the way, I usually end up getting on one of the first elevators because of this so I dont know what happens for the majority of the groups. Its not like there is a shortage of HWs at this point. Every week I end up tuning at least 1 or 2 of these small toons so they don't go sad (which I love doing by the way). If I followed the "rules" on these weeks, there would have been more incidents of sadness needing revenge. Then I have heard of groups of HW going together at the end because all the little toons are gone!! The left side is supposed to be the strong toons that can help. The leaders so to speak. They need to load to ensure there are at least 3 or 4 of them on the elevator and make sure that an elevator doesnt leave short when it is loaded with all small toons!!! I really dont understand why this is happening. I can see why there are more revenge runs.

I have notice this also when I am standing on the left with Steveo. I see the smaller suits loading and only one or two hollywoods loads. I am one that does not care who I go with in the VP. If I have a few friends then great if not then oh well its not going to hurt my feelings. If at least everyone would step up instead of waiting to see who loads then the runs would go much better. Its also hard because when you load and go you never know how many people you have so you might be caught short on the last group.

 

[Trish]

Its also hard because when you load and go you never know how many people you have so you might be caught short on the last group.

The last group is rarely a problem. I always wait (so I can figure out what to do with that last group), plus a few of Wolfie's group wait before even entering the lobby to cover what's left over. The problem is, the little ones are more eager to load, and the bigger toons are all holding back to assess the situation. I think my big kitty needs to find "you take left" "you take right" for the friggin VP loading.

 

[Little Sadie]

I'll keep an eye out for those phrases for you Trish! LOL!

 

[Ugly Wrinkleflip]

I suggest this. When we get the "Lets Go!" As we get inside the first toons to load are HOLLY's. If 4 Holly's get on the elevator First then "only" 4 other toons can get on.
Same goes for once the first group leaves. The next 4 Holly's in line go straight to the door to load as the elevator is leaving. Maybe this will help even out the ratio. If there is a space left over ater the first 4 Holly's enter and there isnt a smaller toon getting on then a Holly should fill that position.

Just a suggestion.

I would have no problem with this as I am usually one of the first few Holly's in the room.

 

[ATIV7220]

I suggest this. When we get the "Lets Go!" As we get inside the first toons to load are HOLLY's. If 4 Holly's get on the elevator First then "only" 4 other toons can get on.
Same goes for once the first group leaves. The next 4 Holly's in line go straight to the door to load as the elevator is leaving. Maybe this will help even out the ratio. If there is a space left over ater the first 4 Holly's enter and there isnt a smaller toon getting on then a Holly should fill that position.

Just a suggestion.

I would have no problem with this as I am usually one of the first few Holly's in the room.

This is the exact same thought I had - load the maxed Holly's first. If 90% of the others know this, it should work pretty well.

Also I'd like to mention again how much BETTER my Stratics runs have been than any of the random runs I've tried. Until I found Stratics, I had given up on the VP. I figured I'd need to practically be able to solo it before I'd resume trying again.

I know everyone is trying to make the experience successful for all who participate and I certainly appreciate that. It's that level of concern that keeps the overall experience a great one. (Kind of like if you're worried about being a good parent, you probably are.) However, every run isn't likely to be completely successful. Keep kicking around the ideas, keep evolving, keep voting, but don't lose sight of how much better the experience is - consistently - than trying to fight with randoms.

Also, I'm not opposed to hanging back for the last group. I don't mind if it's short handed. I've been on the last run a couple of times now, both VP and a CFO, and we did fine - mostly because the majority of the group were, or at least seemed, very experienced (more than made up for my mistakes). I wouldn't even mind if occasionally I don't get to make a run because we end up with, say, only two toons left over. Most times I can stay for the revenge run if there is one.

Thanks for all the effort...just my two cents.