Account Banned -- But Why Can They Still Play?

[RaDian FlGith]

Okay, I'm going to open the Pandora's box that most people just banned don't want opened, but honestly, I want an answer...

If you folks at EA Mythic just banned a lot of accounts for duping, WHY have you NOT banned ALL of their accounts? There are a number of people on this board complaining about being banned, but still have other accounts to log in with -- and at least two have said they have the same CC info across accounts.

If you're going to ban, I expect that you're going to ban properly and completely, because if these people ARE dupers or trading in dupes, I don't want them playing on ANY account, and if you're not going to ban ALL of their accounts, then what's the point of banning just one?

 

[packrat]

So if your wife and kids play and you mess up they should all get banned? So if your wife goes rob a bank you should go to jail too. You live in the same house.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

It is a very valid and disturbing question. It discredits EA and makes me wonder just how effective they were at banning the big cheaters who would have dozens of accounts. But, I would not hold my breath on getting any type of response as usual.

Nothing against Jeremy but I miss the amount of information we used to get when Wilki was doing the same job. For instance, we were given a very nice breakdown of number of accounts banned, gold deleted, etc. by Wilki. Everything seemed to be much better coordinated. I don't know whose fault it is or where the lines of communications are being broken but the quality of information that we get has definitely deteriorated. This brings up another question: Is this because Jeremy is not located on site? Of course I don't expect a response to this either.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

I've explained this 100 times. If you ban/bust people they will be back and they will be back even stronger. The idea is to have Dev's/QA not allow these game breaking bugs in the first place.

Never forget that the full responsibility and blame for this lies solely on the Dev's / Jeremy / QA Team. They are at fault. It is sad they won't admit it, but whatever. It is still true.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

makes me wonder just how effective they were at banning the big cheaters

There will always be cheaters. It is not their fault. They are merely exploiters. That is not even a IRL crime. The real criminals here are EA. They promise a specific product, then fail to produce it.

I love how Jeremy tries to turn it around and make the players seem like criminals. EA is the real criminal here for providing us with a faulty product.

Ralph Nader gave you seat belts. I will give you a bug free game.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

So if your wife and kids play and you mess up they should all get banned? So if your wife goes rob a bank you should go to jail too. You live in the same house.

Don't even try to equate it as being the same thing. For one, if you kill someone and you go to jail, we KNOW it's YOU going to jail.

I could have twenty accounts, dupe on one, and you'd never know if it really was me or 19 of my friends playing.

AND the policy has always been that they ban ALL of your accounts. Sorry, but yeah, if my wife and kids played (if I had them, and you have no idea how funny that statement really is to me) and my kid duped and got my accounts banned, I wouldn't be pissed at EA. But my kid wouldn't sit solid for a good month.

Stop comparing apples to oranges, and understand that if a person pays for ten accounts, and they only ban one account, that's NINE more accounts to play with, and nine more accounts to dupe with. And don't give me the "they'll learn their lesson," because we know that is historically untrue.

 

[Just Here Now]

if someone was going to be doing stupid crap like duping they should use time codes.

 

[Duke X. Winter]

So if your wife and kids play and you mess up they should all get banned? So if your wife goes rob a bank you should go to jail too. You live in the same house.

One bad apple spoils the whole bunch. No, I wouldn't send the husband to jail as well unless he knew you were robbing the bank and did nothing to stop it. If you're the spouse of a cheater who got banned, make a new account, and play honestly, and don't allow your cheating spouse to touch the account, unless you want to risk them doing it again.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

I've explained this 100 times. If you ban/bust people they will be back and they will be back even stronger. The idea is to have Dev's/QA not allow these game breaking bugs in the first place.

And in an ideal world, that would be fine, but how in the world do you tell QA to test for duping if you don't know how the dupe is caused in the first place? I know that one of the original dupes, as described to me, involved ridiculous things with chess boards, and being in a certain location, and using a particular exploit that was common at the time, and so on and so forth, and you had to scratch your head and say, "How the hell did ANYONE get so bored as to even try that in the first place." But then, at the time, I didn't know that EA had accidentally released client source code either.

Never forget that the full responsibility and blame for this lies solely on the Dev's / Jeremy / QA Team. They are at fault. It is sad they won't admit it, but whatever. It is still true.

That is absolutely untrue. It is the Dev Team's fault for allowing the issues to remain, and, at best for shoddy programming. It is NOT their fault that shady, two-bit losers take advantage of those bugs to the nth degree. You DO have to hold the exploiters responsible, at least, for their own actions.

The "if you hadn't left a loaded gun in your bedroom, I wouldn't have shot you" defense doesn't fly here.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

if someone was going to be doing stupid crap like duping they should use time codes.

exactly. the smart dupers are getting away with it. only morons are affected by mass bans. that simply drives my point home. fix the damn bugs in the first place and prevent rather than worrying about mass bannings when a dupe becomes mainstream. it is silly.

 

[Halister Marner]

Aye, this doesn't add up to me either. They missed many duper accounts, and the people they did ban, they only banned 1 account.

I'm actually really confused as to the methodology and rational used in these bans. EA needs to get on the track of the real dupers and ban them into oblivion.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

are you serious man? lighten up, this is a video game bro.

Hell yeah, I'm serious. If I choose one day to have children of my own, you damned well better believe I'm going to instill my moral set into them, and one of those morals is the idea of not cheating, regardless of how nice the idea might seem to get ahead of others.

It's a very base moral fiber, and finding it okay to cheat in a video game (I'm not talking about cheat codes here, by the way, I'm talking about cheating in an environment that affects other people) is inappropriate.

So yeah, you better believe there'd be a tanned hide for cheating.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

"How the hell did ANYONE get so bored as to even try that in the first place."

lol. what do you think QA teams are for? they actually get paid to find bugs in the game and they are getting pwned by little kids who don't even get paid for it. they just do it for the hope of eventual profit by a blind playerbase, that EA then punishes. do you not understand the IRONY here? it is pathetic.

EA is 100 percent responsible. everyone needs to understand this.

 

[HD2300]

Okay, I'm going to open the Pandora's box that most people just banned don't want opened, but honestly, I want an answer...

If you folks at EA Mythic just banned a lot of accounts for duping, WHY have you NOT banned ALL of their accounts? There are a number of people on this board complaining about being banned, but still have other accounts to log in with -- and at least two have said they have the same CC info across accounts.

If you're going to ban, I expect that you're going to ban properly and completely, because if these people ARE dupers or trading in dupes, I don't want them playing on ANY account, and if you're not going to ban ALL of their accounts, then what's the point of banning just one?

From their posts, one person is saying only one of their 10 accounts was banned, all on the same credit card, and another person is saying that they still have their rare museum account. I cant really understand the logic behind banning just one account and not all of their accounts.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

I'm actually really confused as to the methodology and rational used in these bans.

lol it is the UO Developer team we are talking about here. nothing they do makes any sense.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

lol. what do you think QA teams are for? they actually get paid to find bugs in the game and they are getting pwned by little kids who don't even get paid for it. they just do it for the hope of eventual profit by a blind playerbase, that EA then punishes. do you not understand the IRONY here? it is pathetic.

Sorry, bud... I'm a programmer for a living, and there is no way on Earth even with the finest quality QA team sitting there 24/7 with every line of code at their disposal and a map to determine every possible action that could be taken, that every bug will ever be found in a major program. It's just not possible. Things sometimes happen in unexpected ways -- the responsibility is to fix those holes as soon as you are made aware of them, and be familiar enough with your code to fix all similar holes in your code.

Hell, sometimes, as happened with a webserver I operate recently, it's as simple as a line of code being exploited that was written in 2000 that couldn't be exploited the way it was until it so happened to have a way in early 2008. So I went back and fixed all similar lines of code and corrected the problem.

That doesn't make ME responsible for the hacker who exploited the line of code. It made me responsible for filling the hole -- and I assure you, my programming was solid and secure at the time of programming that line of code.

EA is 100 percent responsible. everyone needs to understand this.

Wrong.

Ding.

Thanks for playing.

You can type that sentence 100 times for each time someone says otherwise, and it will still remain completely untrue. The EXPLOITERS are 100% responsible for their own actions. EA is responsible for banning exploiters and for fixing their code. That's it. Don't you dare try to defend the exploiters.

Unless, of course, as I begin to suspect, you have some particular vested interest in doing so.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

It is NOT their fault that shady, two-bit losers take advantage of those bugs to the nth degree.

you are wrong. the state of the game is 100 percent the responsibility of the Developer team.

You DO have to hold the exploiters responsible, at least, for their own actions.

absolutely. but banning every tom **** and harry serves no purpose. just delete the items and move on. the serious cheaters will always be back anyway so it serves no purpose banning legitimate players who fell off the wagon temporarily due to the Developer's incompetence and ingenuity of the exploiters.

The "if you hadn't left a loaded gun in your bedroom, I wouldn't have shot you" defense doesn't fly here.

it sure as hell does.

 

[Radun]

ya.. why are people coming to the forum and saying 'oh well, i got banned for having illegal hammers. i guess i wont craft anymore, i'll just use those chars for repairing'

if they're supposed to be banned, they're not supposed to be allowed any more accounts in the future.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

The EXPLOITERS are 100% responsible for their own actions.

lol. no they are not. EA allows these people to play the game. these people pay to play the game. it is 100 EA fault for any problems with the service. they can go right ahead and ban anyone they want. that doesn't remedy the problem. that doesn't fix the the wrong of banning even one innocent.

i repeat. if one single innocent was banned as a result of this then that is the same as banning 1000's of innocents. if one single innocent was banned at the expense of catching one exploiter. that is not worth it.

you people make me sick are you all mccain supporters?

 

[RaDian FlGith]

you are wrong. the state of the game is 100 percent the responsibility of the Developer team.

Yep, the state of the game is 100% their responsibility.

The actions of the playerbase belong SOLELY to the playerbase.

Which means the actions of the dupers, taking advantage of exploits is the fault of the exploiter, not the Dev Team.

absolutely. but banning every tom **** and harry serves no purpose. just delete the items and move on. the serious cheaters will always be back anyway so it serves no purpose banning legitimate players who fell off the wagon temporarily due to the Developer's incompetence and ingenuity of the exploiters.

They're not banning every Tom, ****, and Harry. They're banning every Duper, Exploiter, and Exploit Trader, and I say, "Good for them."

Sorry, but there is NO such thing as a "legitimate player" who "fell off the wagon temporarily." NO. SUCH. THING.

Either you are a legitimate player. Or you are not. There is NO middle ground. I'm not saying EA may not have caught a couple of innocents in their net. I AM saying that those who have duped and exploited, regardless of reason or gain or purpose, are not people who can still call themselves "legitimate players."

The ONLY exceptions to this would be the people who recreated the dupe on TEST CENTER and reported it once they verified it. Because THAT is what TEST CENTER is. If they bumped into it on production, deleted their ill gotten gains, and reported the exploit, that's fine too.

Anyone else, sorry, no sympathy here.

it sure as hell does.

Again, wrong. Ding. Thanks for exploiting anyway.

 

[Sheridan]

Thread cleaned of off-topic posts. Please try and keep this on topic, folks. No need to drag in RL values/morals/politics etc onto a gaming forum. Thank you.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

lol. no they are not. EA allows these people to play the game. these people pay to play the game. it is 100 EA fault for any problems with the service. they can go right ahead and ban anyone they want. that doesn't remedy the problem. that doesn't fix the the wrong of banning even one innocent.

Yes, and you're also the kind of person who thinks stealing a few 500s while your little brother isn't looking during Monopoly is okay too? Right? Because it's just a game.

Sadly, it's not just a game. It's a form of entertainment that people are paying to play, which means actions that affect the gameplay of others, which includes duping rare items, exploiting, and all kinds of other things that cannot be done through regular, legal gameplay affects EVERYONE in the game, and if the only way you know how to play a game is by cheating, then you're unwelcome in the game. Just because it takes EA time to find the cheaters doesn't give them a Get Out Of Ban Free card.

i repeat. if one single innocent was banned as a result of this then that is the same as banning 1000's of innocents. if one single innocent was banned at the expense of catching one exploiter. that is not worth it.

Wrong. It's not at all the same. If that person really is innocent, they'll be able to plead their case. Maybe they will be able to get back in, maybe they won't. But if we lose 500 scumbags and had to lose one legitimate player in the process, I'm sorry, but I'll take the net gain of 500 scumbags gone. And neither you, nor I, nor people who claim to know these others who have been innocently banned TRULY know the full situation.

Maybe granny who was banned for duping while crocheting shared her account with her grandson and he did the banning. She's responsible for his actions, and I'd knit him a shirt that said, "I'm a cheater, I can't play fair," and make him wear it to school for a couple of weeks.

you people make me sick are you all mccain supporters?

Wow. This has WHAT to do with the price of tea in China? I'm not going to talk to you about my political affiliation, because that has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

it's not just a game. It's a form of entertainment that people are paying to play

lol...

 

[HD2300]

Well if I wanted to lock or move a thread into R&S thats what I'd do.

So it does seem pointless to ban a token single account and not ALL accounts, doesnt it?

 

[drinkbeerallday]

Well if I wanted to lock or move a thread into R&S thats what I'd do.

So it does seem pointless to ban a token single account and not ALL accounts, doesnt it?

why is the debate about banning an account. go right ahead and ban all of their accounts. the serious dupers will be back straight away. the unfortunate innocents will probably quit the game and be devastated that they wasted so much time trusting EA.

none of you understand this? to me it is textbook corporate BS.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

R&S

riels and spants?

 

[Redxpanda]

I don't even think some people got banned. I think some people just had their house and banks deleted.

 

[drinkbeerallday]

it doesn't matter i'm tired and i'm going to bed.

just fix the damn game EA

 

[RaDian FlGith]

So it does seem pointless to ban a token single account and not ALL accounts, doesnt it?

Yeah... getting back on topic, I'm in complete agreement with ya (hence why I started the thread). It just doesn't make any sense, because they can just pick right up where they left off without any additional effort.

And to my understanding, not only were the accounts banned, but they were supposed to also block the credit card number associated with the account.

Obviously people paying by gametime don't have this issue, because banning by IP address could take out all of the AOLers -- or potentially any IP that wasn't dynamically assigned, so it's an insecure method of banning.

But credit card number is very secure. They're unique.

 

[Tina Small]

Radian, have no concerns about me. I don't know why they just banned only one of my accounts if I'm such an awful scumbag. However, I do know that the rest are going to be cancelled by me in the very near future. My inclination tonight was to cancel all of them immediately but my guildmates have been urging me to wait a few days. Heaven knows why. I've had enough of this game...too addicted to it as it is and it's actually a relief to think of not wasting any more time or money on it. All I am going to miss is having a reason to hang out with the friends I made.

 

[gjohnson5]

Okay, I'm going to open the Pandora's box that most people just banned don't want opened, but honestly, I want an answer...

If you folks at EA Mythic just banned a lot of accounts for duping, WHY have you NOT banned ALL of their accounts? There are a number of people on this board complaining about being banned, but still have other accounts to log in with -- and at least two have said they have the same CC info across accounts.

If you're going to ban, I expect that you're going to ban properly and completely, because if these people ARE dupers or trading in dupes, I don't want them playing on ANY account, and if you're not going to ban ALL of their accounts, then what's the point of banning just one?

Obviously noone gives a damn about you or what you want...

Just Kidding

Like the folks that bought items which turned out to be dupes, I think it's a blanket wave of the wand and dumb personally to ban everyone in possession of a duped item. Since they have been unable to fix the game then there should atleast be an amnesty period

 

[Traveller]

There will always be cheaters. It is not their fault. They are merely exploiters. That is not even a IRL crime.

People, admire the defensive position of an exploiter. Don't try to tell me anything else, this position can only belong to an exploiter.

"It's not their fault". I suppose that if you got robbed because you forget your house door unlocked it's not a robber's fault as well.

People are ALWAYS responsible for their action, and that includes exploiting. When you joined th game you agreed not to exploit. You did. So you are banned, or at least I hope so. Better late than never.

Mind you, I do agree that EA is responsible to fix the game so that cheating is not possible, just as much as you are responsible to lock your door when you go out. But that does not detract from the fact that you cheated. It was your choice, not EA. Period.

Bha, what a waste of electrons...

 

[Der Rock]

People, admire the defensive position of an exploiter. Don't try to tell me anything else, this position can only belong to an exploiter.

"It's not their fault". I suppose that if you got robbed because you forget your house door unlocked it's not a robber's fault as well.

People are ALWAYS responsible for their action, and that includes exploiting. When you joined th game you agreed not to exploit. You did. So you are banned, or at least I hope so. Better late than never.

Mind you, I do agree that EA is responsible to fix the game so that cheating is not possible, just as much as you are responsible to lock your door when you go out. But that does not detract from the fact that you cheated. It was your choice, not EA. Period.

Bha, what a waste of electrons...

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u dont have to be a profiler to read the truth behind the lines from some poster here.
some of them show us clearly how guilty they realy are.
its so funny to see those ingame bigmouthes whining here on stratics,soooooo funny

 

[Trevelyan]

I thought about this this morning as well.

My faith in this whole process is lost totally:

If you want to remove the items, you just delete them. So that doesnt stop the people duping - well the solution there is obvious; ban the account owner who owns the items. Of course, any self respecting duper is probably a bit cleverer than to have just one account and it is the clever dupers you want to catch. Therefore you would want to ban all accounts using the credit card.

This is just logical, to me; you ban somebody for breaking the rules. Sadly, the really clever dupers would probably use stolen credit cards, or a different one entirely - it isn't too hard to do, surely.

But since when do you ban a single account for having duped items on it - this is just absurd. First of all, any efficient dupe would probably not be effected by a single account being removed from the whole dupe-operationg, but then you have to think is this even effective? Sure you get rid of "dirty" items but who really wins and who loses out?

It comes down to if the situation after is better than before. Sure you can throw the "greater good" line at this, but what good has come out of this? Most dupes and their successful vanquishings have simply brought tales of glory and victory to the front page of uo.com and stratics - but they never seem to actually make much impact from where i'm standing. Maybe I just don't play the right places or buy the right things but the way I see it, if it does something good well.. thats ok then, but if I don't notice anything really different then that's fine so long as it doesn't effect me.

And this is why what has happened is so wrong. First of all you have this whole "well one of my accounts with all my money is gone but the rest remains" and then you have to think about all the dupers who are sharing the same fate. At the end of the day, people who dupe probably put very little value in their personal fortunes in the game, whereas the ones who are a victim of this owned all those items in - mostly - good faith. So, if they weren't fully banned but instead got their assets stripped essentially, what real good came out of this?

If you fully ban someone - all their accounts and their credit card - then you at least have a good chance of getting a duper (even then, dupers are cheats and as such may not really care about losing one card and just try and get another and try again later). As it is, this has done nothing as far as I can see to stop those who do dupe - since although this current duping method has supposedly been stopped, the people who would exploit it are most likely still around.

The final blow for me was when one of my best friends got caught up in this. This actually was the first I knew about it, but from that moment I realised this whole process was flawed. The fact is, is she doesn't dupe or trade - knowingly - in duped or exploited items. Therefore, whoever banned her was wrong. Or should I say, one account. If the people who conducted these bannings did look into them with any great effort, they would see that the houses all around shared the same account details. Ok so banning those wouldnt have solved much either, but it would have least shown more commitment.

As it is, this just emphasises my idea that whoever banned her didn't really look into it much at all. Which is scary - since who knows who could get banned next. If the reason she was banned - or many others - was not because they duped or traded in exploited items knowingly, then by what criteria were the rest of us not banned. Are any of us safe?

 

[Beldon]

Trevelyan, maybe you are right about this... but if you are UO has just been destroyed. It's doom is assured. So until proven otherwise I can not believe it. Until then I just have to assume that EA followed the dupers back to their main accounts and banned them... hoping that is what happened. But I do see a lot of the illogical stuff you do.

 

[Basara]

Of course, any self respecting duper is probably a bit cleverer than to have just one account and it is the clever dupers you want to catch. Therefore you would want to ban all accounts using the credit card.

Wish that still worked.

These days, the dupers are probably using reloadable MC or Visa gift cards for each account, with bogus details. It then becomes much harder than you'd think to reconcile, especially if their IP isn't static.

As for your friend that got caught up in the net...

Ever think that the reason only the account with the bad items was banned, and not the others with the same details, was because they were being easy on her because it was likely that it was through purchasing duped rares that she wound up on the list?

If I had to ban everyone with "X" bad items or more, and had the leeway in my orders to not arbitrarily do carpet bans, I'd probably try to justify not banning the non-duper's extra accounts without that item quantity (only getting the one with the bad number) as to minimize the effect on a player that had obviously made poor shopping decisions, and saving the full wrath of the ban hammer for the dupers. The rules probably wouldn't let a person "blow off" a violation completely, just limit the damage if probably not intentional. Ignorance of the items' legality can't be used as a means of total escape from guilt, but it probably was used to reduce the charges/punishment for the rares collectors to just the offending accounts.

The dupers that might still be running around with active accounts are probably doing so on accounts that escaped the net from hiding their wares on accounts that were inactive or otherwise disguised (remember when someone tried to frame a person that was a rabid dupe-fighter last year, by sticking a bag of 100+ blatant high-value dupes into a secure set to "anyone" in their house, then paging on them? There's not much different to hiding strategies, except there's no GM page), and not using any of the contact info of the ones that were caught.

 

[Aurelius]

As for your friend that got caught up in the net...

Ever think that the reason only the account with the bad items was banned, and not the others with the same details, was because they were being easy on her because it was likely that it was through purchasing duped rares that she wound up on the list?

Had they thought that was the case, surely a fairer approach is to delete the dubious items, and warn the account holder they have a mark on their accounts? They'd have lost the money paid for the pixels, and had a clear warning they needed to take more care.

I'm certain if this current round of madness had caused one of my accounts to be banned and a house to fall, I'd not keep any of the other accounts open either. I really react badly to companies who insult my integrity....

As it stands now, I've decided not to renew them when they run out of game time. Too many people I know and trust have been caught up in this ham-fisted farce, and my trust in the ability and fairness of EA/Mythic and their spokespeople is absolutely gone.

 

[Basara]

Apparently you still don't get it.....

Try looking up the concept of "mandatory minimum sentencing".

IF you'd had a house fall from this, you'd have had no integrity to insult.

The only ones wanting to "ham-fist" anything are the ones like you insisting that possession of duped items is not against the rules, if you're not the duper, despite being told repeatedly that this kind of violation would eventually be punished. It's not EA's fault that it wasn't the slap on the wrist you were hoping for.

Had they done the "just get rid of the illegal items" routine, it would have taken much longer, and the firestorm would have been 1000 times worse, from the people who caught the full brunt (the dupers) claiming favoritism, non-enforcement of the rules, and God knows what else.

 

[Aurelius]

Apparently you still don't get it.....

Try looking up the concept of "mandatory minimum sentencing".

I understand the concept just fine - as I also understand the idea of proportionality.

Your point was they might just have been 'considerate' in just banning one of a person's accounts, and I don't agree with what I understand to be your view of how to be 'considerate'.

Under that thinking you seem to have suggested, how do you handle someone with just one account, who has a couple of duped items? Is it fair to ban them completely - when you are not completely banning a multiple account holder? One rule for some and a different rule for others isn't really on.... whereas you can delete the items and mark the account(s) fairly, across the board.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

As for your friend that got caught up in the net...

Ever think that the reason only the account with the bad items was banned, and not the others with the same details, was because they were being easy on her because it was likely that it was through purchasing duped rares that she wound up on the list?

That is pure speculation and I have seen no official statement to support this theory of Mythic specifically "going easy" on some players. Maybe I missed something? In fact, Jeremy said something in one of her posts that could be interpreted as them having little means of making such a discrimination. So then they must have went easy on EVERYONE, including the big bad dupers (and in process missed out on a lot of their stock as they probably have hundreds of accounts).

 

[Soulstomp]

i posted this before ,, thats totaly silly ,, meaning i can have 40 acounts running with my familly ,, and only 1 will get banned for trading or involvement with dupes, ofcourse the money and stuff is long gone to the other acounts and made legit , its quite simple if you find that , ban all acounts by ip , creditcard or name , lol no wonder uo is full of dupes and will stay full of dupes

 

[Lady_Mina]

So if your wife and kids play and you mess up they should all get banned? So if your wife goes rob a bank you should go to jail too. You live in the same house.

I agree with this.

My account is on the same visa info as my bf's account , as my mom's account and as my stepdad's account...

We all have only ONE account..

So why would the other one have to pay if someone else is banned?

These days it's quite hard not to get banned...people are in possession of duped goods and simply don't know it till they're banned.

It's the 15 day trail accounts doing the duping...
I think a fix would work better then banning half the UO population that is left...with a ratio of 100 innocent to 1 guilty...

 

[Soulstomp]

Well yes that would be verry sad if one of your family is duping or involved , but still all must play legit so if 1 screws up i still think all should get banned
what if one is involved and makes money to buy items for the rest , arent all involved then

Best option to end all of this is a general dupe sweep on all shards as they did with the shrouds but now for all and each item, After that Stop shard transfer , Fix each and every code to dupe and things might clear up a bit

 

[classical]

the thing is when they banned these accounts in the sweep if you did vie in to plead your case they did not listen to logic or reason.

if they found them in your house you were termanated yet they were bought off vendors within the game some innocent people were had within this sweep as well.

but if were obtianing them in the game and they cant stop them whats to stop others from having this done to them as well.

there assumption within this on some cases is wrong yet they want no futher contact from you once they say it stands n there ruling final.

so is this what they call good customer relations in doing this they cant 100% tell you this wont happen again as well.

why cant they just write a program that auto deletes the duped item if the duper applies it to a vendor? then after 5 or 6 attemps at doing so it termanates there account.

they encourage you to turn people in for duping hacking scripting in such yet you read up here some that did got termanated to so alot of people look at that and say why bother then.

but to be held responseable for duped items in there game when they cant remove them or keep the dupers out of it just insane.

whats to keep anyone in this game safe anymore from these badseed in the game.

i seriously think better communication needed maybe they need to set up a court within uo so the players of its can hear the cases and rule on it a judgement from the peers of this game or have the gm and dev rule on it maybe there would be fairness in that.

there honestly and truthfully no one in the game can tell whats not and is duped.

if you stand in britt youll see young players coming in 22 of them within a 3 hour span yesterday so what did this accomplish. most of your serious players and innocent one had in this are shutting there accounts down . the hint maybe here would be the young player some not all could be there dupers.

but how do you stop it its been here 10+years

maybe to there policy there should make the main player a sole name in your list get rid of all the doubles in tripple names within uo and in doing so that char held responseable for anything you do in uo

see in vanguard once you make your name it yours no one else can make another name like it and everything you do peg to that name so if you were to try to dupe they know whom to bann cause all items made have that name.

these are only some suggestion they might want to look at because something seriously has to be done to stop this from ever happening again.

see i was had in the sweep they got my house and termanated me. when all im really guilty of is buying off other vendors to stock the 28 i was running and also i doc alot.

in doing so i managed to obtain dupe items but in all fairness and honesty is this my fault no im actually am one of the innocent ones and yes i did close my accounts after this for this reason

i used to enjoy this game most that know me know i play long hours but to be accused of being one and then have them not listen or use thoughtfull and honest judgement and knowing that not once had my account been bann jailed or suspended in the 4and a half yrs i did play yet im still termanted for having them in my house.

and until they start listening to what the players are suggesting
the duping with continue but to be falsey accused is wrong

and here the last idea they might try that might actually work
they have a house placement tool and interior dec tool as well
why not make a tool that we can buy off a npc than when were shopping we can highlight over the item so we can see if it duped or not if anything it might slow the duping down

and in doing so they lose they profit and make no money either


dont get me wrong i know there jobs tough it enstills alot of work to stay on top of this issues at hand and i also know they have to make hard calls at time to stop it as well.

but i used to be a vet player of this game and in 4 yrs with all there sweeps nothing of mine was duped and yes it is a very serious problem in this game as well. But until you can stop the hackers that write the programs to get around what they do to fix it it going to still remain.

knowing that i am innocent and they did this to me with no recoarse how can they thruthfully and honestly say they value there players within it.

signed whispers aka nightmoon many know me and what vendor house i use to run within it 2 years ago before i quit for a year because of this same issue.

i returned to this game because i was told it changed that they had improve it at this point i cant say or see where they have

 

[Kaleb]

You can blame EA all you want but its not their fault. If you want pass blame blame all the Gold/item Brokers in the game and the idiots that buy from them. If these people were not so damn lazy to work a real job like 90% of everyone else or earn what they get in game the hard way we hardly would be in this situation. I have no pitty on any person that got banned and its stupid tryin to defend them. Cheats/Exploits have been running rampent in this game for years if your stupid enough to use them or Buy that rare pixel even tho there shouldn't be as many you should get banned Buyer Beware.

Kids these days dont care about UO. Fact is one of Pacific's more popular PvP forums just opened a board just to post scripts,cheats,exploits,dupes in. its saddening.

Over the years since 98 I have had up to 10 active accounts and am now down to my first 2. Brokers, player greed and EA's lack of support is what got me to slowly turn off each account. There is no shard in production that is safe from this disease, you see it across all the servers yes even siege (how do you think the "high rollers" there can equip themselves with unlimited arties and gear? but still its hardly as bad as the standard servers). So if you got banned dont blame EA blame yours and others greed remember Pixel crack can kill on the first try.

 

[Lady_Mina]

I hope they apply this system to the irl justice system.

Then everyone can walk on eggs shells their intire life to stay out of jail for a crime they did not commit.... /sarcasm

 

[Aboo]

I love how Jeremy tries to turn it around and make the players seem like criminals. EA is the real criminal here for providing us with a faulty product.

No one is forcing ANYONE to play this game. It is by choice. No one forces ANYONE to break the rules. Again it is by choice.

That is, in my opinion, the problem with society now, the inability to take responsibility for one's actions. If you choose to break a rule you should take the responsibility for it also NOT blame anyone and everyone else.

 

[classical]

you both make valid points but will they listen to whats being said but the fact remains if there in game what prevents us from obtianing them and to keep us from getting termanated for having them in are possesion i might be upset over this but im sure your in full agreement something needs to be done to stop it?

 

[HD2300]

i posted this before ,, thats totaly silly ,, meaning i can have 40 acounts running with my familly ,, and only 1 will get banned for trading or involvement with dupes, ofcourse the money and stuff is long gone to the other acounts and made legit , its quite simple if you find that , ban all acounts by ip , creditcard or name , lol no wonder uo is full of dupes and will stay full of dupes

EA must think that players are idiots. They most probably thought everyone would be jumping up and down and celebrating. They didnt expect that 3 different people would say that only one of their many multiple accounts was banned. This PR token banning is a joke. Furthermore, I wouldnt be surprised that the bannings have nothing to do at all with runics, and is only about duped event rares, because runics are still being sold enmass everywhere.

 

[the 4th man]

There will always be cheaters. It is not their fault. They are merely exploiters. That is not even a IRL crime. The real criminals here are EA. They promise a specific product, then fail to produce it.

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Do you have any idea what your talking about??
It's not someones fault they cheat. How lame is that? It's like saying, it's not my fault I drink all day.....no, weak sauce pal.

Real life crime?? Check this out, they are replicating copyrighted artwork, yes, it can be a crime.....blaming EA's a cop out......

When did EA use the word "promise"??

I could go on, but, i'd get banned from stratics.........