Best Friend Banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nails Warstein]

ALL HE DID WAS REPORT THE BUG ON JUNE 20TH. HERE IS PROOF HE REPORTED IT. NOW THE ACCOUNT HE REPORTED IT WITH IS BANNED!!!

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=776005#post776005

How is it we punish our HEROES and reward our VILLIANS!!!

Here is his goodbye Link, gave away everything he owned now, and is closing his accounts

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=93613

 

[Lady_Mina]

So the message that EA is sending to us is :

Do not report people who are exploiting...cause you might get banned.
Do not buy stuff from vendors...cause they might be duped items and might get you banned.
Do not report bugs....cause they might get you banned.

So i'm getting the idea that EA does not want us to help them fight dupers.

EA , to solve this please :
- Learn your employees to read...so they learn to read the report messages properly..so they know it's A person , reporting an other person...not a person...reporting himself. (i mean wtf...who would ever report himself?)

- Mark duped stuff..with 'DUPED' title...so people don't accidently buy them and get banned for them later.
Yes only you have the power to check the source code and recognise if it's a dupe or not...common players can't check the source code and see if it's a dupe or not.

- People report bugs to help EA...and to get them fixed...not to get banned.


I don't know what your plan is , EA.
Is this your way of letting UO die out slowly?
By banning the few honest players that are left?
Whilst letting the exploiters and scammers run free...

 

[Mulch]

You need to see it so.
EA prepares players to be ready to try their soon to be finished game called WARHAMMER.

It is a game and there are a few hundred other out there

check www.mmorpg.com for some samples

 

[It Lives]

More than likely, said person was using the exploit or and received funds from exploit or some variation......and in my opinion you should have been banned too... i really hate gold sellers.... Imo.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

I have no idea who your friend is but just because he or she reported a bug does not mean they are innocent.

I personally know at least two people who deserve to be banned 10 times over who also reported the dupes. Their logic for doing so was because the dupe was messing up their source of income by depressing the gold market. So it was in their interest to report. However, just because they reported does not make them saints and immune to getting banned.

If they are innocent then EA will definitely look into it. However, people should not jump to conclusions.

 

[Lady_Mina]

One of my friends has a large stone stuck in the middle of her stairway...wich is only visible in UO;KR.

I'm holding my breath for her , everytime she sends a bug report about that big stone...cause she might get banned...

 

[Mulch]

How do you look into it after deleting a house?
Server revert?

 

[Farscape]

ALL HE DID WAS REPORT THE BUG ON JUNE 20TH. HERE IS PROOF HE REPORTED IT. NOW THE ACCOUNT HE REPORTED IT WITH IS BANNED!!!

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=776005#post776005

How is it we punish our HEROES and reward our VILLIANS!!!

EA do not just go out and ban for the fun of it they collect data and then make a move displaying your displeasure here on the forum will not help your cause that is a personal issue between them and you as you agreed when you signed up
All these posts do is pour fuel onto a fire for if you are not guilty then you have no reason to worry

 

[Coranthe]

In this particluar case I know the "victim" and he is FAR from innocent.

 

[Kith Kanan]

LOL .. yeah right if your not guilty you have nothing to fear my ass...........

 

[Myphsar]

Is that the friend u bought all those item bless deeds off of?

 

[Nails Warstein]

Is that the friend u bought all those item bless deeds off of?

No. I bought them from someone I don't know. I used my item bless deeds on unique items. Hopefully buying Item Bless Deeds isn't illegal or exploitative.

 

[Nails Warstein]

In this particluar case I know the "victim" and he is FAR from innocent.

If he were guilty, and I doubt he was... could you explain why you know they were guilty?

Is this a matter of an inquisition? All one must do is point the finger? Personally I don't even know what an exploit is if I saw it. I've been playing UO for so long, and this is the sort of thing that made me want to quit back in 2006 when they banned Manticore..... WHO by the way was reinstated with a full apology from EA. Had that not happened, I wouldn't have returned.

 

[packrat]

No. I bought them from someone I don't know. I used my item bless deeds on unique items. Hopefully buying Item Bless Deeds isn't illegal or exploitative.

Dude, almost everyone knows those item bless deeds are being duped. You had to be sleeping under a rock not to know that. If you got banned for that, I don't feel sorry for you at all. Before the dupe you were lucky to find 1 on 4 shards. All of the sudden everyone is running around with a full set of item blessed things. That should be a clue..

 

[PASmountaindew]

Just because in that other thread you friends asks how to contact Jeremy at EA does not actually mean your friend actually reported the exploit. I can come in here and say I reported an exploit but there is no way of proving I did. And after talking to Jeremy at the Townhall meeting in an Diego (I don't know the exact process) But EA has a process of investigating things and I would doubt they would ban his account and delete his house unless they concrete proof that your friend was up to no good. Sometimes people who abuse exploits and duping turn around later and report the exploit to take themicroscope off of them and shift it onto other people.

 

[jgruberman]

Just because in that other thread you friends asks how to contact Jeremy at EA does not actually mean your friend actually reported the exploit. I can come in here and say I reported an exploit but there is no way of proving I did.

Usually I dont interject in controversial topics... but quoting the above, let me just add the following:

Just because he reported it, doesn't mean he didn't take advantage of it.

I can tell a bank that their ATM is giving out 50's instead of 20's, but if I partake in it, I'm as guilty as the other guy who DIDN'T report it.

(Yes, I know ATMs don't give 50's... its the principle)

 

[LeeHarvey]

Tell your friend they shouldn't have cheated, as slow as EA/Mythic has been with this crap I have no doubt there were obvious infractions.

 

[Basara]

Actually, jgruberman, a better example is that there was an issue back when the "new" 20s came out (the first redesign, not the multi-color one) where the bills stuck together badly.

People who ended up getting 2-3 times the number of bills they were supposed to from the ATM, and not returning the extra money, got in as much trouble whether they reported it or not, especially since some of them were actually seen on the security cameras counting the bills and realizing the mistake - so they were easy to trace by their card info...

 

[Revenant2]

I read this thread, and also read this one:

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=776005#post776005

It's hard to know the authenticity (or, sometimes motive) of anything posted on a messageboard. But having said that, I wonder what happened here. If it's like they say it is, it would make me hesistant of reporting stuff I might unintentionally find that seems bannable (such as a dupe).

edit: That or maybe one could try to report it anonymously, but geez, what a bunch of trouble to go to. Get one of those anonymous email account service thingies to email uobugs from, and then see if anything comes of it... sounds kinda silly.

 

[Erekose]

I seriously doubt Jeremy would get someone banned for doing as she's asked and reporting exploits to her. It's more likely that the people who 'reported' them also were using them and wanted to get credit from the bug report rewards program.

 

[Azaroth-]

Well.

That's got to make you twice about submitting bugs then.

 

[Halister Marner]

I've reported a few major exploits, and tons of other bugs over the past two years and I haven't been banned.

I really don't think that's the reason. I'm not saying anyone is guilty or innocent, just that the exploit reporting theory doesn't seem to be correct.

 

[packrat]

They did say if you report a bug or exploit you get a surprise. I guess they surpised a bunch of people.

 

[bcso2019]

THESE PLAYERS WERE "RARE" DEALERS LOL

They sold there rares for $$ to be duped. i mean come on. They are not innocent. look at every who is going "I was banned and im innocent"

First off, WHY IN THE HECK would you sell your sooooo hard earned "rares" And heck they will even give them right back....

Great you reported a bug. Congrats but your still guilty for selling your rares to create dupes. Enjoy!

 

[Sarphus]

I seriously doubt Jeremy would get someone banned for doing as she's asked and reporting exploits to her. It's more likely that the people who 'reported' them also were using them and wanted to get credit from the bug report rewards program.

Sounds like a very plausable explanation to me.

The problem with this strategy is that one of the rules to getting your account auto-paid by EA is that you have to not have benefited from the exploit you are reporting.

Look on the bright side. EA has made the banned accounts free. it's just that if you cheat first, the accounts stop working.

 

[Mezzac]

Hello all,

I am sorry if truely 'innocent' people are being banned, however, it can appropriate for those who people claim to be inocent to be caught in the net in some circumstances.

I have worked in many organisation in Government / Private sector / voluntary organisation - in every single organisation I have been governed by some form of 'Code of Conduct' document which outlined clearly the organisation's expectations of me both inside and outside of the work enviroment.

And in every case it has clearly stated that not only do my actions need to be fair and proper but they also need to be SEEN to be fair and proper - that is to say that a 'reasonable person test' applies - what would a reasonable person think of my actions.

When you translate this to some of our more esteemed people in UO who are now crying foul, I am concerned that your associations, actions and dealing over time may serve to paint you with the same brush as those who are really guilty.

How often have we seen some of our more prominent rare sellers selling the same 'unique' item over and over again (even those which are supposed to be 'on offs' or very limited in numbers) ? From a 'reasonable persons' perspective I have concerns that you were being willfully blind to the illegal actions of others - Even if you were not involved in the Dupe or other illegal action, you must have had reason to be suspicion that the items you were trading may be taited.

Yes, this is not real life - it's a game. But by the same token, a lot of the people crying foul have at times professed to have only the games best interests at heart - if that was truely the case why would they either directly or directly / knowingly or or otherwise be involved in anything that could reasonably be seen to be taited??

Without knowing all the facts I can not be certain either way as to the guilt or innocence of those here who are crying foul, having said that, if I was to apply the reasonable person test based on my observations over the time I have been here, I would certainly have some concerns about a few people - be they real or perceived

Thanks Mezzac

 

[Satanatra]

One of my friends has a large stone stuck in the middle of her stairway...wich is only visible in UO;KR.

I'm holding my breath for her , everytime she sends a bug report about that big stone...cause she might get banned...

To lady mina,

Dont you think you are being A) over dramatic? thinking that simply reporting a bug will get u banned? and B) gullible believing anyone who says "i was only banned for reporting a bug?

Dont trust everyone on the forums to be telling the truth - especially those who just got their accounts banned.

It is easy to imagine someone using a dupe and then reporting it so that others dont get to enjoy the same benefits.

On the other hand, having an account banned for having one val hammer seems a bit too much. But if you have enough cash to buy 5 or more then you have been around enough to know how much they are supposed to be worth. I was offered the chance to buy val hammers in bulk for 12m per - i turned it down and bought barbed kits off my usual source instead. Did i make God-like Armor? Not as good as val stuff. On the other hand i still have my account!

You want to play with Fire? You get burned.

 

[Sarsmi]

ALL HE DID WAS REPORT THE BUG ON JUNE 20TH. HERE IS PROOF HE REPORTED IT. NOW THE ACCOUNT HE REPORTED IT WITH IS BANNED!!!

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?p=776005#post776005

How is it we punish our HEROES and reward our VILLIANS!!!

Here is his goodbye Link, gave away everything he owned now, and is closing his accounts

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=93613

Awesome, TheGwy got banned. I guess now I can tell a little story about how my friend had me log in on his shard a long time ago because she was doing a trade with him and he gave me a house tour. During this tour he confided to me that he made millions from abusing the sigil huing bug and sold off tons of illegally created sigil hued items in order to build his fortune.

He also later offered 10m gold on the boards to pay off anyone who could figure out how to get goza mats high enough to use as a staircase to a different floor, then when my friend Bob feverishly worked at figureing this out he avoided me in the original thread, in PMs...for a week he didn't respond. So I gave 10m to my friend out of my own pocket for his hard work and went ahead and posted the method on the board. He then claimed someone else figured it out and he payed them, but he coudln't tell me their name and had no answer for why he wouldn't get back to me in the thread or in PM.

Good riddance.

 

[Ravenspyre]

So, sorry sacks of pukes are finally getting bad for being the disease and polution that destroyed UO,a nd coming to the boards, using alt accounts, claiming to be best friends of, or even getting their friends to LIE and bare false witness, as well as turn a blind eye, and again lie more, that they are innocent? From what I am reading of this turmoil, the people claiming to be innocent I knew were cheats back before I quit.

 

[Kith Kanan]

hopefully that does not incl me Raven....

 

[Ravenspyre]

hopefully that does not incl me Raven....

I dunno why you are asking me. If you were participating in this, knowing full well items were duped that you were buying, trading or otherwise handling (such as participating in helping said people to dupe) then you are as guilty as they are. You cannot feign ignorance of that fact.

If not, then you can get your account back through appeal. Plain and simple.

Mythic makes the judgment calls, not me, and personally, I've known too many old hands who've turned to cheating in my last days. Willful or trying to feign ignorance.

 

[Kith Kanan]

If I knew the crap was duped I would not have bought em , and surely not with and stocking them on one of my main accounts....

Well its not like you know me anyways , so how can you know ....

 

[Ravenspyre]

If I knew the crap was duped I would not have bought em , and surely not with and stocking them on one of my main accounts....

Well its not like you know me anyways , so how can you know ....

I'm sorry, but I been lurking on these boards now for the past several weeks, and you are feigning ignorance if you say you could not have known they were duped, when there are several threads stretching back weeks saying there is a major dupe going on.

 

[Kith Kanan]

these hammers where bought over a priode of 3+ months , and not at obviously low prices ( 25+ mill for val and 15+ mill for verites ) ... If I had bought loads of val hammers for 10-12 mills , you would not have seen me here complaining about the ban...

please read my other posts before making such assumptions

 

[Ravenspyre]

these hammers where bought over a priode of 3+ months , and not at obviously low prices ( 25+ mill for val and 15+ mill for verites ) ... If I had bought loads of val hammers for 10-12 mills , you would not have seen me here complaining about the ban...

please read my other posts before making such assumptions

I really don't have to at this point. Your attitude tells me a lot more than any other post would.

 

[bcso2019]

People get the clue..


NO ONE WHO IS INNOCENT WILL BE BANNED.

THESE ARE RARE DEALERS WHO SOLD THERE RARES TO DUPERS.

GET A FREAKING CLUE LOOK MY (CATS OUT OF THE BAG) AND OTHERS.

READ THE POST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

 

[Kith Kanan]

"" I really don't have to at this point. Your attitude tells me a lot more than any other post would. ""



Well getting your account banned and house demolished kinda has an impact on ones attitude , I'll choose not to comment on your attitude , clearly you have allready made your mind up who's guilty and who's not.....

 

[Kith Kanan]

People get the clue..


NO ONE WHO IS INNOCENT WILL BE BANNED.

THESE ARE RARE DEALERS WHO SOLD THERE RARES TO DUPERS.

GET A FREAKING CLUE LOOK MY (CATS OUT OF THE BAG) AND OTHERS.

READ THE POST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

Well hopefully your right , because I dont own any rares and never had..
I actualy thought of buiyng one of those sashes with the lrc and other stats on em , but they where obviously duped so I didnt , instead I invested the gold in runics.. Yeah that was a bright idea....... no matter the outcome of this I'm done buying high end items from other players , you freaking cant trust anyone and end up tangled in other peopels crap.........

 

[Zofinur]

NO ONE WHO IS INNOCENT WILL BE BANNED

Usually i just ignore posts from ppl when the caps-lock is broken.
But for now i would say "i am innocent" and "i was banned"
Both is true ... at least for me.

If there is any news on this, and if i ever get an explanation from EA what went wrong i will update u all in the europa-forum.
There is nothing for me to hide! I (feel like i) am 100% innocently banned!

 

[bcso2019]

I'm sorry i wrote in caps, But it shows my fustration for people who write.

"Ahh its crap that EA/MYTHIC is banning people for reporting a dupe".

Look at the post Cat's out of the bag, There for the most part "since i cannot name names"

i explain what mostly happend.

My account was allready banned, I have no more worries.

Im not innocent under ANY conditions.

But you look at these post, you see one thing in common over and over and over again.

I was a rare dealer or have access to items like that.

Tell me why would a player Sell his WHOLE Collection knowing someone was going to dupe it.

O Yeah $$$. The ol Mighty dollar. crap hes even buying it back now.

These players sold UO out of $$ and so did i. But might aswell let the head roll Eh?

 

[Revenant2]

/*

I hope they did all this carefully and didn't actually ban people who had just been buying things at what they thought was an okay deal, and who might have thought to themselves, well, if it's duped I can't really control that, it's the market and I buy what I can get within it.

There was a 15 mill crimmy on a vendor recently, along with like some ornys, and other high end things at fairly good deals. It went through my mind that maybe they were dupes. But the fact was, I am in the market for a crimmy right now, and if I had had the cash I would have bought one. It would have been awful if it had been a duped crimmy and I'd bought it and gotten banned for having it in my possession.

It's important to ensure that people's faith in the system remains, assuming that the system is to be retained. One doesn't want people to be overly concerned about buying from vendors or, from buying in general.

*/

 

[Llewen]

To the OP, check out this thread.

 

[Crysta]

Awesome, TheGwy got banned.

OH.. that was HIM. Ok, yeah... quite obviously NOT innocent.

 

[Ravenspyre]

"" I really don't have to at this point. Your attitude tells me a lot more than any other post would. ""



Well getting your account banned and house demolished kinda has an impact on ones attitude , I'll choose not to comment on your attitude , clearly you have allready made your mind up who's guilty and who's not.....

I doubt you've lost more than I have in this game. I've been gone for years. If I came bac today, I would have nothing, none of the items I had left, not my house, not the bulwark of rares that was stored up, or momentos from friends long since disappeared from UO to remember them by. I am sure none of htem even classify as rares to teh rares collectors these days, like a true black dye tub, or a rolling pin that did not have any charges on it, or many other items.

So many items from my past I lost, you really think that I would actually not have anything to compare?

 

[Lady_Mina]

To the OP, check out this thread.

I checked your thread...
True true this could be...but i think people would notice if someone logged on with their account.

Aspecialy when the hacker is online and bumps into friends of the hacked person...or when the guild starts to chat to him.

 

[Llewen]

I checked your thread...
True true this could be...but i think people would notice if someone logged on with their account.

Aspecialy when the hacker is online and bumps into friends of the hacked person...or when the guild starts to chat to him.

Not necessarily. A hacker this smart would know enough to choose times when traffic is low on the server, such as right after server maintenance, and would know enough not to respond to guild or alliance chat. A simple, "I'm sorry, can't chat right now. Have to take care of something quickly and log." would probably not be thought of as unusual if the hacker ran into someone who wanted to talk. A hacker this smart would also have probably done his or her research and would use characters that were less well known.

 

[Ravenspyre]

Not necessarily. A hacker this smart would know enough to choose times when traffic is low on the server, such as right after server maintenance, and would know enough not to respond to guild or alliance chat. A simple, "I'm sorry, can't chat right now. Have to take care of something quickly and log." would probably not be thought of as unusual if the hacker ran into someone who wanted to talk. A hacker this smart would also have probably done his or her research and would use characters that were less well known.

I'm sorry, but that is ludicrous and just out of the way implausible, to say the least. If someone si going to hack an account, they aren't going to do nice things and only borrow things to dupe.

 

[Llewen]

I'm sorry, but that is ludicrous and just out of the way implausible, to say the least. If someone si going to hack an account, they aren't going to do nice things and only borrow things to dupe.

This isn't meant as a slam, but I wonder how old you are? When you've been around for awhile, and seen and heard as much as I have, you aren't as quick to dismiss something that might on the surface seem ridiculous. I realize my hypothesis sounds far fetched, but I know enough to know that it also isn't anywhere near being impossible.

 

[o2bavr6]

Actually, jgruberman, a better example is that there was an issue back when the "new" 20s came out (the first redesign, not the multi-color one) where the bills stuck together badly.

People who ended up getting 2-3 times the number of bills they were supposed to from the ATM, and not returning the extra money, got in as much trouble whether they reported it or not, especially since some of them were actually seen on the security cameras counting the bills and realizing the mistake - so they were easy to trace by their card info...

But the banks didnt let this go on for 5 years and then decide to do something about it. They fixed it immediately.

If EA had the cranial capcity they could learn from the banks. But they don't have the cranial capacity so instead they respond in their typical fashion of first doing nothing and then over reacting.

 

[Crysta]

But the banks didnt let this go on for 5 years and then decide to do something about it. They fixed it immediately.

If EA had the cranial capcity they could learn from the banks. But they don't have the cranial capacity so instead they respond in their typical fashion of first doing nothing and then over reacting.

Except banks have extremely detailed records and lots of employees to look into them. UO devs don't have the proper tools or records to do in-depth searches into such things nor the manpower to do them unless it takes months.