massive duping underway

[PASmountaindew]

It's like these people are saying hahaha we all know the site and they are spamming on these boards they know the site and Jeremy is begging them to tell her the site. But no one will LOL

Believe it or not but EA Mythic probably knows a lot more than they are letting on. I think it's kind of like fishing ... you throw the line out and let the fish nibble for a bit and then bam yank the line and hook the fish good. Otherwise you just pull the hook out. Jeremy and others probably already know what the site is and where it is.

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

*sigh* I see this is still going. I sent the info to Jeremy yesterday as she asked, but I never heard back

They most likely have it by now. Although, yes it would be nice if some type of confirmation was sent.

 

[Connor_Graham]

sometimes the end justifies the means

This isn't one of those times.

 

[DevilsOwn]

They most likely have it by now. Although, yes it would be nice if some type of confirmation was sent.

EA/Mythic has said that players will not be advised of the outcome of any page against scriptors, that much I am certain of, but it seems to me that the same would hold true for emails/pm's about hacks/cheats/exploits... they have asked that such be reported and have provided the means to do so, for myself, I have to believe they are actively working on it

if y'all are lookin' for a pat on the back and a "golly gee, thanks so much", here....:bowdown:

 

[Surgeries]

Not at all. It doesn't manipulate any bugs, doesn't use any illegal programs, it's a clever use of items that are 100% legal and easy to get.

Needing 0 necromancy to maintain vamp form was intended?

/Sarcasm
Yup...if they are going to leave this exploit "Because my Template is Cramped, and I want to never move when I fight monsters"...

Then I want:

All my Fighting Skill Jewelry etc. to leave the skill on my character, after I take it off.

All my Mana Regen Jewelry to do the same.

All my Taming Jewelry and Talismans leave the Taming Skill on my Character, after I remove it.

I want all my Music Skills to stay elevated, and allow me to use the highest end skills, including Peace and Music, after I remove my Spellwoven Mantle, Mark of the Travesty, and all my Music Jewelry.

I want my Tactics, Chiv, Anatomy, All Stats, and anything else raised by items, to stay just like it was when I had them all on, after I take them all off.

In fact...I want to be able to Soulstone all the skills from any character I have, and use those skills, at the level they were when I Soulstoned them, whenever I want, until that character dies.

Yeah...because my template is just so danged cramped, and I deserve this.

I mean...Discord and Vamp Form work this way...and my Crafter's Template is so cramped, he just can't get out to fight Paragon Balrons!!

I mean...I pay my monthly sub fee, too, ya know...I deserve to have all exploits that I use to become wealthier in game left alone, or, they need to give me a different exploit, to appease me, so that I can do what I want, when I want, and to whichever monster...I mean Whichever monster I so desire!! I mean...I USED to be able to toe to toe any Dragon in the game, and then...they made harder monsters!!

Since THEY made harder monsters, and I want to fight those harder monsters with my Swordsman, and I don't want to move, or take 7.8 hours to killl anything harder than an Ettin, then by gum, they need to leave it so that I need Zero Skill to keep Vamp Form, and that I can just Discord with Jewelry on, and then take it off, and have things be just like they were.

And if they dare change it, they better make sure I don't have to adapt at all to make it work, just like it works now. It's not MY fault they allowed us to do it in the first place!!

/EndSarcasm

I think that they need to require real skill to keep Discord, Vamp Form, and any other skill based benefit to the character in effect.

Maybe they need to lower the requisite skill, or something, but allowing a character to take off almost all, or all of the skill they used to gain the benefit of being a Sampire, or any other skill, is insane.

/Sarcasm
Unless of course, I use a Sampire, and don't have the real skill to keep the Vampire form, and am unable to see how utterly insane it is that I can literally take off all skill items, and/or completely Soulstone all of my skill, and keep the form.

Then I am right, no matter what YOU say...because I like it, and I deserve it.
/EndSarcasm

 

[Surgeries]

Your method of dealing with it is the exact opposite.

There's only one reason to have your site list the dupes - to Encourage/increase duping as a petty, immature, attempt to ruin the game because it's not what you want it to be.

Be honest with yourself.

If you were really concerned about the game you'd have sent the dupe methods directly to EA, and never put them up on your site.

Someone with Coranthe's site address - please send it to EA - so they can rightfully action him/her for intentionally encouraging dupes.

Precisely said.

QFT

I wish these forums required an active, traceable UO account to even be in, or post in.

 

[Strawberry]

Is this dupe exploitable in KR?

I don't play KR, but others tell me at least some of them do work in KR as well.

To me, this is the most interesting aspect. Has anyone gone on Test Center yet to determine whether KR has this problem too? Every thread on 2D vs. KR eventually contains a claim that KR is somehow magically invulnerable to exploits, it would be interesting to have confirmation that that is incorrect.

Then there's the question of whether spreading the info is a good idea. I think it may have been, if it had been done thoroughly. EA ignores reports of cheating, so getting as many people as possible to flagrantly cheat in the same way in a short period of time might force a speedy revert and fix. However, spreading it shard-by-shard won't do that because the incidents happen over several days and they won't revert that far.

 

[Erekose]

The problem isn't client side. The client really does very little except display graphics and pass messages to and from the server. It makes sense that some or all of the dupes would work in KR, because the exploitable code that allows dupes is on the server side.

EDIT: Nobody ever said KR was exploit proof. You're being disingenous because everyone knows that people are talking about Easy** when they talk about KR helping to end scripting.

 

[Strawberry]

Precisely said.
I wish these forums required an active, traceable UO account to even be in, or post in.

OSI had a message board like that years ago, but decided to get rid of it and tried to send everyone to Stratics (which was a slow ad-choked mess back then). We'd built a bit of a community on that board, so it hurt to see everyone suddenly scattered to the four winds

 

[Strawberry]

Nobody ever said KR was exploit proof. You're being disingenous because everyone knows that people are talking about ****** when they talk about KR helping to end scripting.

Yes, I've frequently heard the claim that KR is exploit proof and that it will magically get rid of all the cheaters. No, I was not being disingenuous, I don't know how people cheat, I'm just sick of their actions being held against 2D.

 

[Sweety]

I think telling everyone about the exploit was the best thing to do b/c b4 pretty much no one knew about it but now every1 does. Now they have to do something about it. Publicity = Results

 

[Arcus]

I think telling everyone about the exploit was the best thing to do b/c b4 pretty much no one knew about it but now every1 does. Now they have to do something about it. Publicity = Results

Well, I have to say that the players have tried just about every other method at this point. They still show no sign of giving a hoot.

 

[nushpapa]

My opinion is kill UO... fix all the bugs.. make a new engine for the game or whatever. Keep the graphic style simple, maybe a bit better graphic but maintain the style where you see the world from a birds eye view. The magery system etc... all seem fine but the engine seems to have many exploitable flaws. THey say they can't fix the problem, they can't track the duped items yeah? so how is banning the dupers going to fix this... or even fixing the current duping methods, people will just find another method because it seems the system is so damn flawed that people are findng ways to dupe every 2 weeks.

So make a new game is what i say lol. I quit uo bcz everyone seems to be leaving. I have tried WoW Age of conan etc... doesn't compare to uo at all at least game play... but yet i won't reactive my uo account because i believe this game won't last much longer anyway. I played on ocieana, i remember around 2001-2003 period you go to wbb and you will see about 30 ppl maybe. If you go to Luna (the new wbb for ocieana) you will see about 3 ACTIVE people, the rest are people burning of murder counts. The numbers are dropping and once the profit shrinks so low, they will just axe the uo project once and for all.
I just hope they recreate this game maybe under a new name because it is by far the best game i have ever played.

 

[Erekose]

Yes, I've frequently heard the claim that KR is exploit proof and that it will magically get rid of all the cheaters. No, I was not being disingenuous, I don't know how people cheat, I'm just sick of their actions being held against 2D.

Scripting is done with a program that only works with 2D. That's why you hear that. Show me where anyone ever posted that KR was exploit proof. The vast majority of exploits are server-side.

 

[Erekose]

My opinion is kill UO... fix all the bugs.. make a new engine for the game or whatever.

LOL. KR *is* the new engine for the game. If they kill it, UO will continue to die a slow, painful death.

 

[Eslake]

Scripting is done with a program that only works with 2D. That's why you hear that. Show me where anyone ever posted that KR was exploit proof. The vast majority of exploits are server-side.

Correction, MOST scripting is done with a program that only works on 2D(right now).

But if they canceled 2D today, the scripting tools would simply be revamped to work in KR in a matter of days.

For that matter, the added features in KR could be added to the tools, making scripting in KR Preferable to scripting in 2D.
-and KR in no way stops duping, because dupes rely on the SERVER's flaws, not the clients. Otherwise all they would be doing is creating ghost items that they could not manipulate - including moving to a vendor.


Jeremy.. Fishing??
We've heard that before. And I'll give you the same basic answer as before. Feel free to pass it on.

Fish on your own time.

While I'm paying a subscription, I expect dupers/scripters/cheats of any kind to be dealt with on an immediate basis.

Letting them get away with it, damaging the already shambled game economies, does not in any way help those of us who are not cheating.
It only lets the cheaters prosper longer (and create more accounts/launder more of their profits)

 

[nushpapa]

"LOL. KR *is* the new engine for the game. If they kill it, UO will continue to die a slow, painful death."

I think its just a revamp of graphics because if the duping exploits work in KR obviously a lot of the coding is identical. I mean make a WHOLE NEW engine, new system for identifying items, a way to track everything.

The system of having ur own house, a character that can change occupation was etc... was what made UO UO. Age of conan (i currently am trying it out) you are a character and only that character... very annoying. No uniqueness no fun in making templates etc... These ideas r gold all it needs is some nurchering and some attention from the marketing sector. Off course this is if they make a new UO.... like UO3 (UO2 was killed so was UXO) so yeah haaha... not surprised they dun market this game, theres no point and well obviously they realise its gonna die soon anyway, so why spend the money on advertising when they can spend more on Warhammer Online which i believe EA/Mystic are also the current developers for.

 

[blust4]

Needing 0 necromancy to maintain vamp form was intended?

You are mistaken. You need 35 or 25 necromancy skills and six artis/rares to cast vamp form. It makes some artis more desirable and make people have a goal to achieve in the game. And it is hard to maintain. Once you die, you have to go home and change your armor and recast it. It is more like a toggle spell such as reactive armor and magic reflection. Should we change these two spells, too? Don't know why some people are complaining regarding vamp form. You can do it just as anybody else can. I know one person who hate it because he only plays mage.

 

[Beldon]

Needing 0 necromancy to maintain vamp form was intended?

You are mistaken. You need 35 or 25 necromancy skills and six artis/rares to cast vamp form. It makes some artis more desirable and make people have a goal to achieve in the game. And it is hard to maintain. Once you die, you have to go home and change your armor and recast it. It is more like a toggle spell such as reactive armor and magic reflection. Should we change these two spells, too? Don't know why some people are complaining regarding vamp form. You can do it just as anybody else can. I know one person who hate it because he only plays mage.

No, I am right. You need 0 Necromancy to maintain Vamp form. Period. As for dying. Go back and recast it. My Macer hasn't died in months. People are complaining because they see Vamp form as God mode. Not hard to get unless you don't want to. Personally I don't think they are going to do anything about it. But I do think it is an exploit.

 

[Nexus]

"LOL. KR *is* the new engine for the game. If they kill it, UO will continue to die a slow, painful death."

I think its just a revamp of graphics because if the duping exploits work in KR obviously a lot of the coding is identical. I mean make a WHOLE NEW engine, new system for identifying items, a way to track everything.

It would be difficult but possible to do that, but I doubt they would invest the time needed to complete rewrite the server engine because it would mean letting all live content stopping for most likely a year or more.

 

[nushpapa]

At this rate the game won't last another year. with all the duping on, what incentive do you have to build ur character up. Especially the trammie people. Pvp people r happy with the dupes... i know i didn't mind buying cheaper items (presuming some of the doom items were duped b4, prior to the revamp of the Doom system), but i believe the trammies will be hurt the most as all their hard work will be for nothing.

Well hopefully warhammer will fail and they will look back on their mistakes and make a proper MMORPG, although i believe it was Origin who first created Uo so good look, EA Mystic is pathetic its no different from Blizzard. Just why would anyone play a game like UO when it is slowly becoming just like all the other games (item orientated etc...) when all the other games have better graphics. The old system of Gm armour etc... is far superior, bring in new skills but why items? make every1 2 fc 6 fcr lol u dun need jewels it only causes inequality and thus imbalance specially among the pvp community which i believe is a lot larger then people believe. Look at Age of Conan... it is base on PVP only (same system as pre 2nd age UO, its free for all outside towns, no level restrictions etc...) Guild Wars is very pvp orientated, Wow is becoming more and more about pvp bcz there seems to be nothing to do left lol. They changed Uo for the trammies but yet the community was slowly moving towards more pvp. EA mystic were smart to begin WAR, because they realised UO is just anothet Titanic (lots of potential but flawed by human error and a broken system)

Maybe make that 6 months, wityh all that is going on.. specially if people ARE getting banned and are innocent, they r just chopping their client numbers which are already so low. The numbers will soon reach a point where the revenue UO creates won't even cover the costs... and boom dead.

Maybe the dupers do know something, thats why they are selling all their gold so cheap. Offload while you can before the game comes to an end. I never saw people selling 100s, 1000s of valorite hammers before. Im sure they had them before but isn't it odd a ****load of items, gold price dropping etc... all happens now. The USD exchange rate has nothing to do with uo gold price. There is no demand and supply equilbrium(there is an artificial one tho) for uo gold. There is infinite gold (potentically) it is all based on how much the farmers/dupers are willing to sell. So if they want to sell at 10 cents, it is 10 cents, if they want to sell at 50c, they sell at 50c. the massive price drop in the recent year is very worrying and thus probably is a hint of what is to come in the new few months.

 

[concernedplayer]

LOL. KR *is* the new engine for the game. If they kill it, UO will continue to die a slow, painful death.

And if they force using it, UO will die an abrupt, sudden, instant death.

 

[Badskidmarks]

So is there still no one besides the OP that has seen this supposed site?

 

[Erekose]

And if they force using it, UO will die an abrupt, sudden, instant death.

No it won't, but if you quit can I have your stuff?

 

[nushpapa]

It most definatly will die if 2d uo is killed. 50% of pvps or more will probably instant quit. It would be another Pub16 but far far worse.

 

[nushpapa]

I also don't understand why the buyers of duped items should be banned. Yes in one perspective it is bad but it is the developers that have forced people to. WHat do you want us to do.... not trade valorite hammers at all. I hear stories that it takes 6 years to get a valorite. THose people can't even sell the hammer if they get one... they can but only for 15 mill much less then what si 6 years worth of time consumtion. Ocieana for example, we have no supply of barbed kits except 1 (presumably duper). So what do you want me to do? just not have access to items that everyone else on other shards have?

Banning people for buying duped items is just EA placing the blame on the consumer rather then fixing the problem themselves. This is like not allowing the trade of FOOD... a necessity for life. Then arresting people for buying food(which they need) from a supermarket that openly sells the goods yet the government refuses to put an end to this "illegal trade"

Barbed kits in my opinion ARE a necessity for the pvp aspect of UO life.

Stop placing the blame on other EA, take responsibility urself!

FYI i have not been banned i actually have an unactive account 6 months now. I am still posting because i still have hope (maybe i am dreaming) that uo will return to its former glory... or even not so former glory is good enough... but atm its dead as. I dun have many tiems eft ... lost about half a billion in worth in pvp items etc...[ i have maybe a 150-200 mill suit and if im lucky i kept 200 mill in cash hahaa... doubt it] when house collapse but i can make back money any time, games like this don't come by very often.

 

[Eslake]

Now the Doom & Gloom starts.

But to be fair, it is easy to see why people would come to the UO is Dying conclusion this time..

Let's overview..

-Duping at an all time high, and EA/M handling it at an all time low. (Fishing? yeah right)
-Scripting .. the same thing.
-No shelf presence in over a year.
-No Anniversary Edition of the game for the first time in years.
-UO not even listed on Myth's list of games.
-All 70s 100% LRC 3/6 now easy to get for nearly every mage without months of barb kit building or 10s of millions in gear.
-The 'revolutionary new client' essentially abandoned. (if it is being fixed I don't see the fixes and they aren't telling us about them)

The list could go on.

It just seems like they're running the game in a Maintenance mode and making everything that would have been a Long Term goal for players something that can be accomplished in a couple of weeks now.

The particular nature of these changes and supposed oversights at every turn lead me to only a handful of logical conclusions.
#1 - They are completely incompetent, and I know a couple of them who certainly aren't.
#2 - They are actually discussing in-house when the game will be pulled.
#3 - They are allowing everyone to achieve their current game-goals quickly because a major overhaul of all game systems is on the horizon which will obsolete those goals.

 

[SilentFoxXy]

Echo....

'So noone apart from the OP has seen this mythical site??'

Returned message......

Lots have asked, none have received anything apart from sarcasm and public slating and flaming because they asked.

Why did they ask...

To cover their heinee....and not waste more good geld....

Echo......Booooingg Beeepppp

 

[Erekose]

"LOL. KR *is* the new engine for the game. If they kill it, UO will continue to die a slow, painful death."

I think its just a revamp of graphics because if the duping exploits work in KR obviously a lot of the coding is identical. I mean make a WHOLE NEW engine, new system for identifying items, a way to track everything.

How hard is it to grasp the concept that the exploits are server side. Legacy or KR all you do with the client is send messages to the server and then view the output. The coding of the two clients is entirely different as KR is built upon an entirely different engine.

The...exploits...are...in...the...server...code. There. I said it nice and slow so people could grasp that

 

[Eslake]

How hard is it to grasp the concept that the exploits are server side. Legacy or KR all you do with the client is send messages to the server and then view the output. The coding of the two clients is entirely different as KR is built upon an entirely different engine.

The...exploits...are...in...the...server...code. There. I said it nice and slow so people could grasp that

The fact that most script programs used on UO interface (currently) with the 2D client is as close to accurate as your statement gets.

Duping relies on server side flaws. If you dupe something in the Client but not on the server, you end up with an item you cannot interract with and nobody can see but you. The item tends to vanish when you relog because the Server doesn't tell your client it exists (because the server never thought it did)

Exploits rely on the server to function too, since every thing you do in the game is actually done On the Servers. Even mousing-over an item to see its properties is done by the server.

Ever logged in and seen your artifacts named wrongly? Or things like "a green thorn" actually called "arrow" and similar?
That is because the client has sent a request for info on the item, but hasn't got a responce yet from the server. In the mean time it just tells you the default for that graphic.
A studded tunic (with no properties) in loot.
"Plate Gorget" when it is actually a jackal's collar.
"A Deed" when it is actually a bulk order deed or point ticket.

The client can't let you do anything the server doesn't validate. Plain and simple. You can make it LOOK like you are doing something you shouldn't be able to, but only to yourself. Others see what the Server says is actually happening.
So if you convince the client that you have teleported 5 tiles away, everyone else still sees where you actually are according to the server.
If you convince the client to let you use Peacemaking without an instrument, monsters will still be attacking you because the Server doesn't agree.

 

[Erekose]

It most definatly will die if 2d uo is killed. 50% of pvps or more will probably instant quit. It would be another Pub16 but far far worse.

Hopefully it will be the 50% that runs speedhacks and healing scripts and thinks that they are big bad smacktalking men who think a game can make up for their small *****es

 

[Mulch]

Anyone actually knows if the asian shards are affected too?

Don't forget you western players are not even 50% of the playerbase, so don't take yourself too seriously.

 

[Erekose]

The whole 'I'm a big bad PvPer' crowd takes themselves too seriously, and they aren't even 20% of the US base I'll bet.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy PvP, I just don't enjoy the attitude that many exhibit.

 

[bokke]

Precisely said.

QFT

I wish these forums required an active, traceable UO account to even be in, or post in.

That sir is the state of the game. Where a massive company like EA cannot even budget a forum for one of their games. Sad

 

[Cogniac]

Posting in epic thread.

 

[Eslake]

That sir is the state of the game. Where a massive company like EA cannot even budget a forum for one of their games. Sad

Actually budget had nothing to do with killing the official UO forums and passing the buck to stratics.
It was about accountability.

Imagine the horror of having players with the power to link directly to quotes from the staff themselves on an issue! *gasp* Unimaginable!

We kept catching them lying to us and using their own posts as evidence, so they simply took that away.
The first thing they told us when they killed the forums there was to come here and - we were assured - the staff would still be on to answer questions daily.
ROFL!

After several months of us complaining they finally created a new staff position for someone to come here and respond to our biggest concerns.
Unfortunately, they treated the job like a secretarial position, so we have ended up with people who had little or no understanding of the development plans for the game more often than not.

 

[Vyal]

This is the most retarted thing I have ever read

In fact, because the string size for the identifier is fixed, the game will have eventually used up every possible value for that string size. At that point there could be no loot, no items crafted, no piles could be divided, no checks cashed, no ore mined, no fish fished up, nothing. It would all come to a screeching halt

That makes no sense man, and you have no freaking clue how UO is calling items out of a database. Everythin has a static item id meaning it never changes, you don't need a new id for every single nightshade reg someone owns ssassassatupid.

Thats all i'm going to say bout that you have no clue what your typing, if you really want some insight go learn how a sql database works noob.

OMG for ****s sake who is Eslake, this kid is making my head hurt readin that restarted **** hes writing. PPPPLLLLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO HIDE EVERYTHING HE POSTS.
It's one thing to be way wrong but when people telling you your wrong namely me, and I know wtf i'm actually talking about.

My engine http://www.vbgore.com/ oki client server and sql database works just the same there as UO does. Pretty much the same way every mmo works. If you want to learn how UO's database works look at the code from gore.

Believe it or not but EA Mythic probably knows a lot more than they are letting on. I think it's kind of like fishing ... you throw the line out and let the fish nibble for a bit and then bam yank the line and hook the fish good. Otherwise you just pull the hook out. Jeremy and others probably already know what the site is and where it is.

I doubt it, even if they did what are they going to do to stop it? They can't do anything to stop the site. You could post it on a hundred site or just one but EA can't do anything to stop it.

For instance if I made a real cheating hack program for UO I could put it on a download site and say yes this will hack UO but don't use it. Here is the link to download, and what could EA do? Nothing at all.

They would have to pay me to take it down, and beleive me they will. There have been cases of EA, and Sony paying off people developing emu servers to stop development and delete source.

I know Sony tried to cut a deal with Image from EqEmu to stop development. He never did, and now there are free EQ servers out there and a bit of people play them.

 

[Coranthe]

Current design allows for a little over 8 billion items per shard, based solely on the item ID.

 

[Vyal]

How could you possably know that?