Possibly Coming to Siege, Some Help Please

[Bluto]

Thinking of coming to Siege and need help on template.

I probably wont join a guild, I enjoy running solo and keep odd hours. So, I am coming to PvP but cant rely on help from guildmates. So, what would be a good template for a toon that will run solo 95% of the time?

I am considering a Necro/Mage.

I am trying to avoid going through the ROT thing twice, so any help would be great!

 

[Petra Fyde]

I strongly suggest you re-think not joining a guild, at least at first. NEW is a guild specifically aiming to get newcomers set up on the shard with advice etc. Some guilds also respect a 'no kill' rule in regard to NEW chars. NEW membership is temporary, intended to last just a month. Read the sticky at the top of the board for more information.

Also bear in mind that Siege, more than any other shard, is a truly international community. What seems like 'odd hours' isn't necessarily 'odd' for others.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I would never try to get someone who planned on playing solo to join NEW. Sure it's a good guild for some, but there are many of us who actually want to be able to do it on our own. Plenty of people have made it just fine without help from a guild. Now if someone were to come here asking about a guild, sure, I'd recommend NEW, but he specifically stated he wasn't looking for one...la

 

[Bluto]

Thanks and I have read the sticky at the top; been watching the forum for awhile now to learn about Siege and the players.

I appreciate your guidance and thoughts, and will definately look up NEW if I come and find that I need some help

However, long-term I want the ability to run solo and thats why I have the question on template design. I know there will be alot of grey screens and other challenges, but I want the option.

Again, thanks for the advice!

 

[Bluto]

Rico, you nailed it on the head.

I think you play a thief which is a great solo class, but any ideas for more fight focused template?

 

[Petra Fyde]

Rico, NEW can be as much, or as little, help as you need. I joined NEW when I started, but I still did almost everything by myself, just having that safety net to turn to when I needed help or advice.

 

[Goron]

Thinking of coming to Siege and need help on template.

I probably wont join a guild, I enjoy running solo and keep odd hours. So, I am coming to PvP but cant rely on help from guildmates. So, what would be a good template for a toon that will run solo 95% of the time?

I am considering a Necro/Mage.

I am trying to avoid going through the ROT thing twice, so any help would be great!

Oki, I'll try and help.
First point, and I mean this honestly: take everything rico says with a BIG grain fo salt. He is our board troll. I am pretty sure few people actually appreciate his presence here.

Second: Solo is hard. Solo pvp is harder. Good luck. But, if you are dead set on it, put stealth on your template. Otherwise you will just be dying to groups of 5 or 6 all day everyday. If you do stay necro/mage, ecpext to get made fun of a lot for running from fights. You will run a lot, or you will just die more. You may be able to get some 1v1 or more likely 1v2 fights now and then, but even in that case you are smart to assume that more people are on their way- and just to be safe assume that they are stealthers so you will not see them coming until you are dismounted.

Third: Don't get mad when you die. THis one is very important. I tell a lot of new to siege people that and they all laugh and say 'haha I know I am laid back and just in it for fun'. well, 1 week later they are back on their prodo shard laughign and having fun. Few people realize just what an all fel shard full of PKing jerks like me is.

Good luck.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Rico, you nailed it on the head.

I think you play a thief which is a great solo class, but any ideas for more fight focused template?

If you are going to solo, I would almost always suggest GM hiding. If you are going to solo and try to play red, you will probably need stealth too. One thing you will notice on Siege, when out in the field...most people hightail it out of Dodge the minute they see another name flash across the screen, especially if it's red. The other advice I'll give you. Be careful fighting anyone in the larger guilds on the shard, they typically run in packs and if you spot one, you can bet within seconds, there will be more in the area since they usually call in for backup via vent.

All that being said...in regards to template...play something you enjoy...too many people try to emulate the popular template of the day, but then find the best template has changed, by the time they have finished it, lol...la

 

[Mr. Sly]

Assassin thief ftw easy and safe to play if your alone plus you can just run around and steal all their hard earned kill loot. Playing solo as a thief gives u all the packs in the world to snoop in. As far as killing it may not be the most efficent but LP DS takes down some, steal their cure pots then hit up the moves and they got trouble most times. What u need to remember is to make a template u can have fun with dotn let ROT ruin it for you because in the end i think you feel more accomplished.

 

[Revvo]

Solo pvp generally ends up looking something like this (that wasn't taken in Destard ) so if you are intent on solo pvp i would seriously consider music and peacemaking in the template.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Assassin thief ftw easy and safe to play if your alone plus you can just run around and steal all their hard earned kill loot. Playing solo as a thief gives u all the packs in the world to snoop in. As far as killing it may not be the most efficent but LP DS takes down some, steal their cure pots then hit up the moves and they got trouble most times. What u need to remember is to make a template u can have fun with dotn let ROT ruin it for you because in the end i think you feel more accomplished.

Don't forget...if they don't have cure pots to begin with. Target that garlic...lol...la

 

[Masumatek]

Well I haven't done serious PvPing in awhile as I just came back from a break and am now training...so just keep that in mind...

But I don't see any solo player being successful on anything but templates with a select few skills. Being a soloist narrows your template choices...a lot. PvPing with a group allows your more flexibility. An absolutely amazing PvPer who is one of the best on the shard and runs in million dollar gear *might* have more template options, but in the end I don't see how even the best can consistently evade the constant ganks, usually accompanied by dismount, on just any ol' template.

What I'm thinking is ninjitsu, stealth/hiding, or taming (which is often accompanied by stealth/hiding/ninjitsu). Possibly a character with parry, which is nice I guess since it allows you more to actually fight the gank instead of running away from it...but a parry character would probably die a lot more than a ninjitsu character.

So the better options (imo) and assuming you're not going to be a tamer, would be a ninjitsu template or a stealth/hiding template (and if you're a stealth/hider you probably have at least 50 ninjitsu anyway for smoke bombs). Then I guess it depends on what template you prefer. I disagree with rico. You don't need hiding or stealth. I prefer ninjitsu, which is what I'm training. You're only sacrificing one skill instead of two (stealth and hiding), and unlike stealth and hiding ninjitsu has offense capability instead of only defense. Though keep in mind if you get all 3 skills you'll be able to use ds. So why ninjitsu? Animal form. Need to get away from the gank and poof, animal form away...even if you're dismounted. And dp shurikens are nice a bonus. That's what it's about though. With dismount and bolas, it's not so much about fighting the gank as it is surviving it. And animal form allows you to survive it, while adding some offense (shurikens), without sacrificing 175+ skill points from hiding/stealth.

So that's my main suggestion-ninjitsu. Pick a template you like to play and add ninjitsu to it. Good luck!

Btw, I wrote this assuming you're a red soloist. Being blue might change it.

 

[Vortex]

Solo pvp generally ends up looking something like this (that wasn't taken in Destard ) so if you are intent on solo pvp i would seriously consider music and peacemaking in the template.

LOL, that wasn't solo. You had Haha with you and that was an idoc. Was pretty funny tho, gotta give you and Haha both credit for the cohones to stick around with the dragons and a dismounter guarding it.

 

[Revvo]

No it wasn't solo i guess but then there was a alot more than 4 of you !!

Just out of curiousity does it feel like an achievement winning fights like that against two people who obviously know they have no chance of winning yet are willing to fight all the same?

IDOC or not i feel the fight would have been much the same

I'm not sure it was brave on our part just desperation to try and get people to see there was once pride within u.o pvp

 

[FrejaSP]

Rico, NEW can be as much, or as little, help as you need. I joined NEW when I started, but I still did almost everything by myself, just having that safety net to turn to when I needed help or advice.

Rico is however right. Some players will do fine without NEW and want to do it on their own.

NEW is more about being a part of a group, haveing someone to hang out with and having someone to get advices from.

Sure access to some basis items are nice but alot players will help a new player with some start help if he ask for help to sew some armor of the hide he had gathered.

It sounds like this Siege newbie know how to survive.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I disagree with rico. You don't need hiding or stealth.

Maybe not in a final template, but for someone who is going to be hunting and starting up by themselves? Hiding is very important. It allows you to get away from many not wanted encounters. The stealth is an added help for this type of situation. Sure, maybe once someone has most of their combat skills into the high 80's can they fight enough to maybe do a little damage, but to kill a fighting template? Don't count on it.

LOL, I took my relative newbie into factions. My swords, tactics and ana are all high 80's. LOL, I forget the name of my stupid sword, but it one of those respond arti swords...I attacked another player with it...ROFL. 6 hp of damage....after about 10 misses in a row. I'm just glad he wasn't interested in killing me...la

 

[Hoffs]

No it wasn't solo i guess but then there was a alot more than 4 of you !!

Just out of curiousity does it feel like an achievement winning fights like that against two people who obviously know they have no chance of winning yet are willing to fight all the same?

IDOC or not i feel the fight would have been much the same

I'm not sure it was brave on our part just desperation to try and get people to see there was once pride within u.o pvp

We were not there to PvP. We were there to get the loot, specifically the potted plants and the server-birth rare. And in my book, any (legal) means are acceptable for defensive purposes. Had you been a neutral, or maybe even an enemy who came in peace, you would not have been attacked. But there you were attacking Gilfane members an hour before it fell, and in Gilfane town itself.

I have always been the first to admit that the old REV types far outclass me and most White Council folk, and like Vortex I applaud your efforts and willingness to fight. But what were we supposed to do? Just let you kill us and take all the loot? No, like all defenders, we used any means available.

We did not come to these boards boasting of any great victory, nor do I claim it as such. You were the one that brought it up. And we brought in all those available, just as you would. However, I must say that after years of IDOC beatings from REV/OTF/KoC individuals and gank squads, it is nice to win one for a change. Just accept it with good grace.

 

[Revvo]

My comment had nothing to do with the IDOC just the level of "pvp" you all seem to be interested in generally. On a side note yes i attacked a GIL then a mage turns up wearing gear far superior to mine with no doubt much more play time of late than myself he does nothing and leaves, HaHa later informs me one of the tamers was in fact him, i think that about explains everything

It is sad but there is nothing i can do about it so for the first time in 7 years i will have to look at playing a stealth based template, not because i want to but because there is absolutely no way to compete against five times your own number where 50% of those are tamers

I think the biggest mistake made on siege pvp wise was stopping monster ignore working against player pets, returning it to the way it was would in one fell swoop revitalise pvp, sadly it will never happen.

 

[Sprago]

Hey Bluto i would say if you plan on running a solo char something like parry mage might be something to consider. As far as guilds go maybe a samll guild would in your interests

 

[Masumatek]

I think the biggest mistake made on siege pvp wise was stopping monster ignore working against player pets, returning it to the way it was would in one fell swoop revitalise pvp, sadly it will never happen.

You shouldn't need to go farm monsters so you don't have to worry about overpowered pets in PvP for an hour. Nor should you need to be in factions for that. The devs just need to say screw the overpowered tamers...you're getting nerfed.

 

[Draxous]

Thinking of coming to Siege and need help on template.

I probably wont join a guild, I enjoy running solo and keep odd hours. So, I am coming to PvP but cant rely on help from guildmates. So, what would be a good template for a toon that will run solo 95% of the time?

I am considering a Necro/Mage.

I am trying to avoid going through the ROT thing twice, so any help would be great!

Siege is not like prodo... running necro mage is hard b/c you run 2 handers... if you think you can take it, do it but even then the jewels become expensive too.

mage is fun, do what you want tho

 

[Calibretto]

My comment had nothing to do with the IDOC just the level of "pvp" you all seem to be interested in generally. On a side note yes i attacked a GIL then a mage turns up wearing gear far superior to mine with no doubt much more play time of late than myself he does nothing and leaves, HaHa later informs me one of the tamers was in fact him, i think that about explains everything

It is sad but there is nothing i can do about it so for the first time in 7 years i will have to look at playing a stealth based template, not because i want to but because there is absolutely no way to compete against five times your own number where 50% of those are tamers

I think the biggest mistake made on siege pvp wise was stopping monster ignore working against player pets, returning it to the way it was would in one fell swoop revitalise pvp, sadly it will never happen.

That mage was me. The house would have fallen and nothing would have been different until you started attacking GIL members. The house happened to be right in front of our loot house where we go after we do Lady Mel. Could you not see the loot all over the ground in there? In fact haha attacked my tamer when i was just trying to get to the loot house. Your were tracking him right? So don't attack our tamer and then pancake when our tamers kill you. Had you not started attacking us we never would have pked Pyros. You could have shared in the loot just like everyone else. HaHa on the other hand I'm sure would have been attacked regardless.

And I didn't do nothing on my mage? I asked if you were there for trouble you said "no". So I told you good luck and left you alone. And you STILL attacked my tamer. Then cry when my tamer kills you.

 

[Bennos Morales]

Choices to make...Jack In The Box, Taco Bell, McD's, BK, Wendy's...and they all be open so late too...hmm......

 

[Bluto]

Thanks for the thoughts......looks like necromage is out.

So what I hear is:

Incorporate at the least ninjitsu for 50, more if for DS or animal form
Probably should incorporate stealth/hiding to allow choice of when to attack and the ability to disengage (otherwise it is a ninja based sprint)

Given my lack of Siege experience, I will probably try to incorporate stealth...at least in the beginning until I have a better feel for the field.

I will start looking at those skills in templates but I have never used hiding, stealth or ninjitsu....so, once again, any further guidance would be welcomed because I have no experience in designing that type of template.

Again thanks for the all the comments/help and if you have more, that would be great.

 

[Revvo]

I guess i'm just trying to understand the logic from a pvp perspective behind logging off your mage for a fourth stealth tamer in such a situation where you can't possibly lose already

 

[Bluto]

Quick thought and stupid question....remember I have never had ninjitsu.

Would wrestling be able to deliver a deathstrike?

 

[grim inc.]

i can sugest a few temps to you first i run all my chars with out uo assist so any of the temps should be cake to run solo if you have assist 1.warrior way i see it its ony one full warrior temp and its as follows bushido parry and weapon skill 120 and the rest you can fill in as you see fit . tactics anotomy ,healing, med or focus, this temp is solid and heals nice and has strong defence and evasion helps with mage ganks . i think this would be a solid defence and offence. 2.the stealth hiding ninja temp is nice once agian i suggest healing and anot for healing you cant be hit if you cant be seen nuff said #3 parry mage is nice if your good at playing mages and have a fast conn other wise its not going to keep you alive long enough to get you to safety if in a gank situation. it does have a strong defence for melee atacks dismounts ect. #4 a tamer ,you can do this one alot of ways. nija hide stealth or mage tamer i kinda made a very affective tamer temp by mistake i run tame lore and vet also magery with focus, tactics and archery proved to be very nice i run high phys and cast protection and can heal trough almost any thing and as long as you keep you pet happy shouldnt too many be able to stand around long enough to kill of course any group can try to get your pet away from you that is where the hide and stealth will help you survive but will never kill the really fast ones with out a dismount. that goes for any templete. youll never kill certain people here without dismounting first, man i reveled all my secrets oh well if it helps you its worth it i tried alot of temps and was never very good but i think the bushi parry temp was the one i had the most fun playing and had the best fights on. it has kept me alive is some crazy situations and offers unparelled defence against dismounts and ganks in general. i hope this helps you and i hope you stay on siege looking forward to seeing you in game. if you need and thing just let me know i got a horde of weapons and the like

 

[HooderSP]

BAH I was one of the stealth tamers and I suck at PvP and would never even try to use my pet for pvp in the field. I only protected my guild and guildmates from the agressors. Using pets for PvP sucks and if they nerf the tamer temp so that they cant be used for pvp fine by me, however then you guys would do nothing but farm tamers lol. so its a double edged sword. I would think that it would be possible to adjust the damage that a pet does against other players vs mobs. Anyway just fyi Bo whacked my tamer later in the day as I was trying to gain Valor and I did not sick my pet on him at any point, instead I logged in my gm necro/fencer and went looking for a fight, which I lost miserably, but at least I tried. I will get better through dying over and over and someday Ill kill Bo and Krystal (my arch nemisis) for that matter and when that day comes I might just quit UO lol. BTW I really want to know the Mods on Bos wicked pitchfork

 

[Revvo]

I was one of the stealth tamers and I suck at PvP

That should have been the slogans on one of the blessed shirts from the spring cleanup hand in

and yes unless they changed something you can deliver a deathstrike with wrestling.

 

[Vortex]

No it wasn't solo i guess but then there was a alot more than 4 of you !!

Just out of curiousity does it feel like an achievement winning fights like that against two people who obviously know they have no chance of winning yet are willing to fight all the same?

IDOC or not i feel the fight would have been much the same

I'm not sure it was brave on our part just desperation to try and get people to see there was once pride within u.o pvp

No, no feeling of accomplishment. But you were in our town, at one of our idocs. Most of our people are pvm'ers so we did what we had to do to defend the town. Wasn't pvp, and wasn't pretty but we were gonna defend it no matter what.

 

[Revvo]

Why would you have hiding and stealth on a pvm tamer? My tamer uses music and discord most of the time, much more pvm orientated in my humble opinion

 

[HooderSP]

Why would you have hiding and stealth on a pvm tamer? My tamer uses music and discord most of the time, much more pvm orientated in my humble opinion

Correct i agree completely and I have been working music and disco up for this account and have tried to buy alacrity scrolls for them.

First I bought this account and it came as a stealth tamer, second those two skills are usefull for somethings, like in my case, trying to get away from you killers and very usefull at champ spawns until the champ actually gets up then disco is much more usefull.
However as I stated above I do not use my tamer in pvp, because I dont think it is pvp. however I will use it to defend my friends and town only. I am trying to learn how to use my necro fencer effectively to pvp with.

 

[HooderSP]

That should have been the slogans on one of the blessed shirts from the spring cleanup hand in

and yes unless they changed something you can deliver a deathstrike with wrestling.

I find it interesting that you chose to only use that little bit of my post instead of the relevent parts, like "i dont use my pet in pvp" or I never used my pet on Bo instead logged in my unfinished char to try to give him a fight.

You guys are always claiming that no one wants a fair fight, pets are over powered blah blah blah, but when someone is trying to give you what you want , even though i admittedly suck, its still not good enough. I am confused here, fair pet free fight or not? I promise you will kill me over and over again but someday ill get you back.

 

[Revvo]

I never used my pet on Bo

"All kill" Doesn't yet work while a ghost i'm sure it will soon be added though, i very much doubt you just sat there while Bo killed you then swapped chars i'm pretty sure he just killed you before you knew what was happening

 

[Masumatek]

Thanks for the thoughts......looks like necromage is out.

So what I hear is:

Incorporate at the least ninjitsu for 50, more if for DS or animal form
Probably should incorporate stealth/hiding to allow choice of when to attack and the ability to disengage (otherwise it is a ninja based sprint)

Given my lack of Siege experience, I will probably try to incorporate stealth...at least in the beginning until I have a better feel for the field.

I will start looking at those skills in templates but I have never used hiding, stealth or ninjitsu....so, once again, any further guidance would be welcomed because I have no experience in designing that type of template.

Again thanks for the all the comments/help and if you have more, that would be great.

A ninja sprint with animal form should be sufficient. It's just that 100 hiding + at least 75 stealth + at least 50 ninjitsu is a lot of skill points. You narrow your options even more. If you can find a template you'll like playing with that, then great. If not, I'd go with 120 ninjitsu and skip hiding and stealth completely. It's not necessary...it just depends on what kind of character you like to play. Before you ask us to suggest templates, you should tell us more about what you enjoy playing...

 

[Masumatek]

Quick thought and stupid question....remember I have never had ninjitsu.

Would wrestling be able to deliver a deathstrike?

I think so...but will you be wearing hci like you would if you were a warrior? Probably not so much. Nor will you have hld. And keep in mind you need more than just ninjitsu to have decent ds damage...There's no way I'd get wrestling on a stealth template.

 

[HooderSP]

"All kill" Doesn't yet work while a ghost i'm sure it will soon be added though, i very much doubt you just sat there while Bo killed you then swapped chars i'm pretty sure he just killed you before you knew what was happening

Actually thats exactly what i did. I was heading back to pap and he ran smack into me in dog form. I knew I had no chance on my tamer to even fight him and as I stated before I NEVER use my pet in the field for pvp. Defense of a house sure in the filed no. as a matter of fact I will usually just tell my pet to all stop all stay and try to stealth away. I was logging out before I even died lol and was back on top of him (my fencer was logged at pap back) before he was finished looting my body. I am sure Bo will back that up. As a matter of fact He chastized me for trying to fight him solo on my fencer and let me know that next time i tried he would loot my dead body dry

I have never complained about dying and getting dry looted on these boards since I understand that it is the way of siege so please dont lump me together with others that do. I respect that the abilities of many that pvp on this shard (if not most and i mean actual pvp) and give that respect in the field. You can review any post that I have made on here for reference.

 

[Calibretto]

I guess i'm just trying to understand the logic from a pvp perspective behind logging off your mage for a fourth stealth tamer in such a situation where you can't possibly lose already

You obviously need to go back and re read my reply.