I Can't Believe I tamed this thing :)

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Well, the First MoB I tamed with Honor and on the first attempt to honor tame the MoB, second Tame cycle.

Greater Dragon PreTame

HP(1962)
Sta(101)
Int(509)
Str(1249)

PhR(66)
FR((71)
CR(44)
PoR(57)
ER(56)

W(129.1)
T(129.5)
RS(117.9)

Mag(125.6)

We shall see how this one does, but I sure would have liked to have had the Resists (especially Physical Resist) a higher.

I would appreciate any comments by those into computing Pet Power as to how they think this one will do.

 

[athlon]

Unfortunately that one is not a keeper, except for the less informed who overvalue HP.

Resists are the most important attribute on a pet. 2nd is arguable between Wrestling/Dex/HP.

For example, lets say i have a dragon with only 600 HP compared to your 981.

My dragon has 85 phys resist. Yours has 66.

If a creature does 100 phys damage a hit, it would take the creature 39 hits to kill my dragon, and only 29 to kill yours.

The same token, if that same creature hit both our dragons 10 times, your dragon would take 340 damage, my dragon would take 160 damage.

I used 600 HP as an example of my dragon, but i actually have a dragon with 84 Phys resist with 885 HP - (87 fire, forgot cold, 55 poison, 72 energy - very elite!)

Resists are VERY important, much more important than HP.

 

[Extra Value Meal]

The fact that pets should even have stats that high makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[Anakena]

First of all, congratulation.

The physical resist is pretty law and this dragon won't be a good tank in comparison with a greater drag with 85 physical resist.

Say you are fighting a monster that makes 100 damage each hit. Your dragon will take 34 damage when the one with 85 phys. will only take 15. The difference in base hitpoints will be very fast erased.

This is why I prefer taming Dragons with phys and fire resist above 80 instead of going after a maximum of hitpoints. It can make the difference between being able to keep it alive or not.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Unfortunately that one is not a keeper, except for the less informed who overvalue HP.

Resists are the most important attribute on a pet. 2nd is arguable between Wrestling/Dex/HP.

For example, lets say i have a dragon with only 600 HP compared to your 981.

My dragon has 85 phys resist. Yours has 66.

If a creature does 100 phys damage a hit, it would take the creature 39 hits to kill my dragon, and only 29 to kill yours.

The same token, if that same creature hit both our dragons 10 times, your dragon would take 340 damage, my dragon would take 160 damage.

I used 600 HP as an example of my dragon, but i actually have a dragon with 84 Phys resist with 885 HP - (87 fire, forgot cold, 55 poison, 72 energy - very elite!)

Resists are VERY important, much more important than HP.

This rebuttal is in the vein of exploration.

BUT first lets do this, I rate the Resists as number 1 as you do and was going to pass on this and post its availability on the LA forums here. I went back to write down the Pre Tame Values to post them.

I got to thinking about this ones general make up and it appears to me to be one of a Killer that is indeed going to need healing (my case veting).

The things that threw this one into the category of lets see are.

The Hit Points, the STR, The Wrestling and Tactics. I looked at these and simply saw big mindless brute. The light bulb went on to say, ok lets see what he can do.

The 600 vs 981 argument, I do get your point, I do understand it. It of course does not take into consideration the damage being dealt by the Dragons.

The point I make there is yes Resists are number one to me but, in my opinion, they can NOT simply override Wrestling and Tactics and Resist Spells.

For example would I take the hypothetical 500 dragon over mine if that dragon had pretame skills of 115, str of 1000(pretame), Mana of 450 and Magery at 105?

In my opinion, absolutely not. My reasoning may be flawed but it would .appear to me that configuration would take to long to kill a mob.

Again, no matter how it may seem I am defending or being argumentative, I am not, I am exploring the opinions of people that ... are interest/knowledgeable about the details about the relative pet power.

And for the record, in my stable this one, unless it exceeds expectations, will be the 3rd ranked GD, the first one being a hp(922),str(622),PhR(85),FR(87),w(119),t(112),rs(115.2)

 

[galefan2004]

Resists are VERY important, much more important than HP.

True and not true. Resists are more important if you figure that you are 100% of the time hunting creatures that do damage to the pets highest resist. Its more likely than not that you arent.

If your pet has 85 PR and you are fighting a mob that does 100% cold damage for example then hit points play a much larger roll than resists. Because there are no pets that don't have weaknesses, hit points are more important unless you are only hunting the same mob (that just so happens to do the damage that your pet resists) over and over and over.

For comparison sake which dragon is better assuming all stats are already maxed?

Dragon A

779 HP 601 STR 125 Dex 629 Int

81 PR 85 FR 46 CR 55 PR 72 ER

113.7 Wrestle 104.0 Tactics 103.8 Resist 108.8 Magery

Dragon B

940 HP 643 STR 125 Dex 418 Int

78 PR 84 FR 53 CR 60 PR 58 ER

112.8 Wrestle 112.7 Tactics 105.9 Reist 102.3 Magery

 

[WWGRD?]

Except its wrestle and tacts are on the low side, considering they can spawn with 140+. With the appalling 44 cold resist, I would have killed that one. High hp pets are nice, but like has been said before, doesn't mean crap if the resists don't back them.

 

[athlon]

True and not true. Resists are more important if you figure that you are 100% of the time hunting creatures that do damage to the pets highest resist. Its more likely than not that you arent.

If your pet has 85 PR and you are fighting a mob that does 100% cold damage for example then hit points play a much larger roll than resists. Because there are no pets that don't have weaknesses, hit points are more important unless you are only hunting the same mob (that just so happens to do the damage that your pet resists) over and over and over.

For comparison sake which dragon is better assuming all stats are already maxed?

Dragon A

779 HP 601 STR 125 Dex 629 Int

81 PR 85 FR 46 CR 55 PR 72 ER

113.7 Wrestle 104.0 Tactics 103.8 Resist 108.8 Magery

Dragon B

940 HP 643 STR 125 Dex 418 Int

78 PR 84 FR 53 CR 60 PR 58 ER

112.8 Wrestle 112.7 Tactics 105.9 Reist 102.3 Magery

Your scenario only comes into play if this one greater dragon is the only pet you have. For 99.9999% of tamers, they 'should' have a stable with a GD, Cu Sidhe and Rune Beetle with possible Hiryu and WW so they can go after Spawn that hits against:

Physical (greater dragon possibly Hiryu)
Fire (greater dragon possibly Hiryu)
Cold (Cu Sidhe, WW)
Poison (Rune Beetle all they way)
Energy (Cu Sidhe, greater dragon)

2nd in consideration is the resists of the creature you are going against and the type of damage your pet does. But it is more important for you and your pet to stay alive then it is quickness of killing a creature - so this needs to be weighed depending on the descrepency of both.

And there is no going against the fact that the GD is the best pet to go against a creature like the dark father that does 20% of its full damage against each resist. Maybe those prepatch hell hounds have close resists to a Greater Dragon, but all the other mods are extremely heavily favored for the GD.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

The fact that pets should even have stats that high makes me sick to my stomach.

*joins in the illness*...la

 

[galefan2004]

Your scenario only comes into play if this one greater dragon is the only pet you have. For 99.9999% of tamers, they 'should' have a stable with a GD, Cu Sidhe and Rune Beetle with possible Hiryu and WW so they can go after Spawn that hits against:

Physical (greater dragon possibly Hiryu)
Fire (greater dragon possibly Hiryu)
Cold (Cu Sidhe, WW)
Poison (Rune Beetle all they way)
Energy (Cu Sidhe, greater dragon)

In the majority of cases you are going to be able to heal well enough to keep the pet alive if you are capable of hunting whatever it is you are hunting. You match damage done by pets against resist of monsters not the other way around. In the vast majority of cases at this point and time the greater dragon and the cu sidhe are the only pets that can hold there own in terms of damage versus monsters resists and the cu is really only used when the dragon absolutely can't be. One example of where you should be bringing your cu and stabling your dragon is vangaurds. If you are killing swoops you should be leaving both your cu and your greater behind and bring your beetle. Outside of the beetle, greater, and cu, there is no reason to have any other pet because they simply don't hold water damage wise.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Two things,

I had hoped to see some discussion on what STR, DEX, Wrestling, Tactics brings to the table.

I am not quite clear why I think this so I am probably in error

STR contributes to how hard the pet hits for and/or How often Max Damage is done.

Dex contributes to effectiveness of Offense and/or Effectiveness of Defense.

Wrestling Contributes to the Frequency of Hits and the Damage done and / or contributes to Defense.

Tactics contributes to effectivness of the Hit increasing the damage done.


PART TWO

Ok, I dont have a Rune Bettle in my stable. I have copied down the max's from the Stratics DB. What would be a good Rune Bettel Stat/Skill wise.