NEWS [UO.Com] Roadmap Roundtable – Tonight!

[UO News]

5/6/2025 Greetings, Tonight will be our first Roadmap Roundtable – an opportunity to hang with the UO Dev Team and ask questions and talk about all things Ultima Online! You can tune in via our Twitch and YouTube channels and also join us on TC1 at the Barnacle Tavern in Minoc. A gate will be provided from the Britain Commons in Trammel. Join us from 6pm – 8pm ET! See you in Britannia, UO Team

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[skett]

 

[hungry4knowhow]

So how was it?

 

[skett]

a lot of
and a lot of
non answers
nothing decisive
all generalized answers
just like politicians

with the following questions I asked before answered again with a big NO


are you going to do anymore expansions ?
are you going to do anymore booster ? are you going to ever focus on bugs ?
are you going to dumb down the crafting system ?
are you going to stop wasting time on nl and focus on your core players ?
are you going to stop all the botting and scripting ?
are you ever going to band people for using 3rd party add-ons ?
are you going to do anything new for PvP ?
as well as VvV nothing planed

there was some NL questions mostly everyone wanted to know if all their new items and pets would be transferred to production and that was you guessed what WE ALL already knew they would YES it all goes lol
after that was answered was funny how many people logged off and left

and more items / pets being added to NL more and more this and that expanding the dungeon and adding new areas blah blah blah ect

and just another paste and copy event for us pub 120 with a huge new horse (while NL got multiple new pets) to try to make all their larger community happy and distract from how we are ignored and how neglected production has been and will continue to be. and the sheep will keep buying there bs so nothing will ever change same ole team nothing new never but more bs

all they mostly talked about was NL they its all they are focused on go listen / watch the youtube for yourself and count how many questions for NL and time how long they go on about NL thats the baby

Other than that UO is alive and stronger than its ever been

 

[Stinky Pete]

I'm just happy that the 8 people who like NL are happy.

 

[skett]

According to them its 9 but i only counted 7

 

[Anon McDougle]

They need to port new dungeon to production ASAP

 

[Pawain]

They need to port new dungeon to production ASAP

 

[skett]

They need to port new dungeon to production ASAP

Well the legendary Pom Pom wielder himself disapproves so we will not be getting a new dungeon on production it will be saved for those very few privileged cheerleaders only and you’ll have to buy all the new stuff off them if you like it that is.

 

[Pawain]

Well the legendary Pom Pom wielder himself disapproves so we will not be getting a new dungeon on production it will be saved for those very few privileged cheerleaders only and you’ll have to buy all the new stuff off them if you like it that is.

Events r 2 close together, not enough time to play NL, only around 20 days until TC gets the next event for prodo.

Spring Roadmap Update – Ultima Online

 

[Veldrane]

They need to port new dungeon to production ASAP

Easier said than done, of course. I've mentioned it a couple of times but there are several features I'd love to see ported over. I'm just not entirely sure that it is even possible given how poorly maintained the production code base has been maintained. That's not a dig, tech debt accumulates over time and UO has never done a complete overhaul like many long running MMOs and it's probably not worth the ROI at this point.

 

[JohnnyO]

Did they talk about the classic client upgrade?

 

[skett]

No

 

[JohnnyO]

No

Thanks.

 

[LadyLuckUO]

are you going to do anymore expansions ?
are you going to do anymore booster ? are you going to ever focus on bugs ?

Did they really answer this and say No to expansions AND boosters?

 

[skett]

Did they really answer this and say No to expansions AND boosters?

yup

 

[LadyLuckUO]

yup

I suppose I already knew the answer to that but hoped it wasn't true. It is unfortunate that they spent their last "shot" and it was NL as opposed to something for the majority.

 

[Khaelor]

Did they talk about the classic client upgrade?

Yes they did. Skett's seething hatred of the game right now made him miss what was actually said in the roundtable.

They also mentioned why there would be no expansions and boosters, because while they are creating it it would take away content from production. That's what happened when they did Eodon. They want to keep the content flowing to production and finish the work on the Classic Client.

For those who did not tune in, I would suggest you listen for yourself and make your own conclusions.

 

[Veldrane]

Did they really answer this and say No to expansions AND boosters?

I'd hope that they're talking expansion in the traditional sense here where they add new landmass. UO doesn't need more landmass, if anything it already has too much. What I would like to see is a booster or expansion like the High Seas that adds content to existing content already in game. It's difficult from a game design perspective since blocking off a new landmass of content is easier than blocking off integrated content like High Seas.

I do have to chuckle at the base reason though that it would take away from production since they essentially cut the time they focus on production in half for NL.

 

[skett]

Yes they did. Skett's seething hatred of the game right now made him miss what was actually said in the roundtable.

They also mentioned why there would be no expansions and boosters, because while they are creating it it would take away content from production. That's what happened when they did Eodon. They want to keep the content flowing to production and finish the work on the Classic Client.

For those who did not tune in, I would suggest you listen for yourself and make your own conclusions.

soooo bottom line NO expansion NO booster

and please tell us what ALL they are doing to the classic client again plz

your insane cheerleading has made you delusional

 

[skett]

I'd hope that they're talking expansion in the traditional sense here where they add new landmass. UO doesn't need more landmass, if anything it already has too much. What I would like to see is a booster or expansion like the High Seas that adds content to existing content already in game. It's difficult from a game design perspective since blocking off a new landmass of content is easier than blocking off integrated content like High Seas.

I do have to chuckle at the base reason though that it would take away from production since they essentially cut the time they focus on production in half for NL.

the pom pom crowd refuses to see how bad NL has hurt production shard’s because NL works for them and they are all so self absorbed they don’t care about the majority of the players
If you listen to the interviews you can plainly see the hole dev team is focusing on NL and because nobody is playing there other than for pets and items (go read the discord a few are honest and admit it and how much plats they will make on prodo) they have to keep adding more and more as a way to beg bribe plays over there. It’s a huge waste of resources that could go towards production shards.
Angry yes they lied to us for 5 years saying it would bring in the largest audience and have a classic feel and help new players to become familiar with UO it did Absolutely NONE of that it’s just a mini quest dungeon game. It’s horrible redo quest over and over insane amount of reading just to bank sit most of the day to do blackthone dungeon over and over
All of it could be on production shards so everyone could do the new content. But typically dev team can never swallow their pride and admit to making a mistake and fix it they dbl down on stupid. So the future of uo for those that was patient and supportive we get more of the same on prodo from here on out AND they said they would start phasing out holiday content im sure so they can spend more time working in NL
Everything I have been saying is true they themselves have said this go read and watch ALL the recent interviews

 

[LadyLuckUO]

Have they said anything about bringing NL systems to production? I watched the first bit of it (i can't make it through this community manager, "awesome, awesome" ,"ok...umm..") and one of the devs mentioned working on the old code to bring it more in line with todays standards. Did they ever say what pieces those might be?

I can get behind the adding content instead of boosters/expansions( we don't need more land I agree) there are a lot of really cool things/systems free shards have done with the base maps.

I'm interested to see what happens after Season One of NL ends. I have zero interest in playing it but if they are going to use it as some new test bed for production systems etc... that would atleast be a bone with some meat on it for the majority of us.

 

[skett]

@LadyLuckUO
When asked it’s all vague answers
Like it’s to much work to code it because (fill in same ole caned response) it might blah blah blah
We all for some reason thought at least NL content would make its way over from what I could conclude it’s not. And to be honest that’s a good thing the quest system is WAY to much reading and boring. The skill gain is faster if you like to do those same quest over and over. I honestly feel like they most have all been sick on meds when they dreamed this all up. And 5 years ? Really 5 years ? Have you seen what free shards do I under 1 year with half the team size and zero budget. I feel like I’ve been fleeced for the last 5 years seeing that Frankenstein app game lol

 

[kelmo]

I like pom poms...

 

[Khaelor]

the pom pom crowd refuses to see how bad NL has hurt production shard’s because NL works for them and they are all so self absorbed they don’t care about the majority of the players
If you listen to the interviews you can plainly see the hole dev team is focusing on NL and because nobody is playing there other than for pets and items (go read the discord a few are honest and admit it and how much plats they will make on prodo) they have to keep adding more and more as a way to beg bribe plays over there. It’s a huge waste of resources that could go towards production shards.
Angry yes they lied to us for 5 years saying it would bring in the largest audience and have a classic feel and help new players to become familiar with UO it did Absolutely NONE of that it’s just a mini quest dungeon game. It’s horrible redo quest over and over insane amount of reading just to bank sit most of the day to do blackthone dungeon over and over
All of it could be on production shards so everyone could do the new content. But typically dev team can never swallow their pride and admit to making a mistake and fix it they dbl down on stupid. So the future of uo for those that was patient and supportive we get more of the same on prodo from here on out AND they said they would start phasing out holiday content im sure so they can spend more time working in NL
Everything I have been saying is true they themselves have said this go read and watch ALL the recent interviews

Did the New Legacy development hurt production, yes to an extent, but the small team did their best to give us content (that you seemingly have forgotten about). Do you need it all listed out here? Since NL has been released we got 5+ continious months of content on production that was actually well received by the majority of players.

The first content patch of NL was actually less than what was to be expected due to them focusing on Production, particularly Atlantic, with a bunch of hotfixes.
So NL actually got the short end of the stick there.

The Production content only concluded at the end of March. And there will be 120 on TC1 beginning of June and it sounds like it's going to be some fun new stuff in that publish. Then we have pub 121 with all the October/November/December stuff coming up.

Honestly, what are you expecting here that you feel you aren't getting?

I don't think we listened to the same interview or we have vastly different listening comprehension skills.

Lastly you cannot compare free shards with Ultima Online. They have different infrastructure and the free shards have 100s of people working on it's modern code. They don't have nearly 30 year old systems to deal with and account for with 2-3 people.

 

[skett]

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[skett]

@Khaelor

“free shards have 100s of people working on it's modern code”

lmao

like I told you before take some time to read more.
you just make things up that are so unbelievable honestly makes you look

At least try to be honest a LITTLE bit


edit to add
So it’s okay that the majority get a few month long events while a small group gets year round new content because they like that mini side game (which reading in your discord they dont like it only there for pets and items we all know that)
And the majority is paying the bills to your entertainment benefit. Hmm just wondering how that seem fair to the majority of players. Maybe you all should have to pay more for your app game if you really like that much and none of can leave you NL shard ? I know I know nobody would have in joined test for it. It’s not UO it’s a horrible side app game that they are wasting more than half their time resources and money on

your okay with it because it benefits you and your small group and like the devs don’t care about the rest of those that hate NL

 

[Petra Fyde]

I sometimes wonder if we read/listen to the same information. I heard that they are spending time equally between NL and Prodo, alternating publishes. I heard that NL is a testing ground for things to bring to Production shards. I know there are a select few who complain, and a much larger group who enjoy it. I also know that a big proportion of NL players also play Prodo shards.
I suggest you put your cynicism on hold and actually LISTEN to what they say rather listen to a bit and assume the rest.
I play NL and Europa - and I enjoy actually playing.

 

[skett]

@Petra Fyde

I’m on NL it’s far from the majority of players. And more people don’t like it than do that’s obvious look at the numbers.

Equal amount of time so once again a small percentage of players are getting year round 100% dev resources time money while the majority doesn’t.

spin it how you want numbers don’t lie.

I did “listen” they answered my questions see above.
But I’m not going to listen to a biased minority that has self severing motives.

“you be you”

 

[Riply]

I just started playing NL to see what it’s like. I found the quests at times confusing and or laborious at best. Was hoping to tame some cool pets to bring to prodo shards. I guess I will be one of those players buying from others when theybecome available.
I have enjoyed the past few events on the prod shards, and I hope that they continue.
For those who play NL you have my admiration for your patience.
Riply

 

[Veldrane]

Have they said anything about bringing NL systems to production? I watched the first bit of it (i can't make it through this community manager, "awesome, awesome" ,"ok...umm..") and one of the devs mentioned working on the old code to bring it more in line with todays standards. Did they ever say what pieces those might be?

It's my understanding that NL rewrote a massive amount of UO code (I wouldn't be surprised if it was full refactoring). If that is truly the case then it would be next to impossible to bring those NL systems over to production.

 

[Silent Singer]

I've said it before but I better say it again so that I'm not instantly accused of pompoms: I was against the idea of NL because I didn't think the work we would expect for that time would equal what was produced. And that fear seems largely justified. I say that as someone who has played on NL since Day 1. The use of different systems than what is on prodo is dumbfounding (ANOTHER way to turn in quests???) The intro quests are fine the first run through, but miserable after that.

HOWEVER:

The prodo events of the last few years were BANGERS! I don't know a single person who disliked last year's pirate event. You could earn hats through 6 different play options that catered to several playstyles. The Halloween event had town invasions AND hidden chests with really great rewards. In fact the turn in rewards for the last few years have been awesome. We have had great new pets, great items, and nice deco options.

And yes, I play NL for the pets I will bring back to prodo. I love taming, and if I have to play NL to get them I'm always going for new pets. The whole boss cycle for points sucks. It really sucks. But I have seen so many people talk about the NL crowd as a reason they prefer NL and I agree. The folks on NL are on average much happier to be playing and helping then your random Skett on Atlantic. Oh, you need to do some dumb champ to finish a quest?? Well that is bad design, but we will drop what we are doing to help. It is sooooooo rare to see *******s being *******s on NL. In one hour on Atlantic I see more *******s than my entire time on NL.

Skett keeps threatening to close down accounts. If you are that unhappy, do it! Life is way way too short to spend your days posting vitriol on meaningless message boards. Go do something you enjoy!

 

[Draza]

People keep saying bring pets back... i am not so sure thats gonna happen. I am not sure where it was even stated that we could. I am aware of the transfer off, but i would think its gonna be a nekad toon.

 

[Riply]

I will say when I played today, I saw a lot of players in Moonglow. I tried to find the ferry to ice island deceit dungeons for the magery skill gains. After trying to find the ferry for over an hour, I went to general chat and players immediately helped me out. That was nice to see, but when I went to protect the three wagons, some other players came in and threw ev’s on the polar bears and wolves. I’m not sure if they were trying to help me or were doing the quest.
But I tried to do that twice and each time failed and ran out of time. Had to go back and get the quest again, maybe my player is to weak? I like to figure things out on my own and acquire armour etc like I did back in 1997. The quests back then seemed to be less complicated.
Freya I play Europa too, perhaps you can bring me a pet back from NL .

 

[skett]

@Silent Singer

First of you and anyone else can label me all you want with your vulgar words I have one for you complacent

As far as the events you mentioned I 100% agree they were great ! So ?
Wouldn’t be great if we had more and some permanent content as well?

So you and others openly admit you Don’t like the quest system the boss system sucks and dumb champs ect
And basically you’re only going to play NL for the pets. Exactly….
Just go read discord Reddit a lot of people are saying the exact same things. The amount of DMs I get with people supporting is sad. I ask them why aren’t you saying anything and pretty much all them in a round about way say the same things they are afraid of there accounts being messed with by the devs/gms/team they don’t want the blowback from others.

So once again most people don’t like NL but are so complicated they will just keep doing nothing? Why aren’t the devs making changes? Are they listening?

So it’s okay to continue to pour resources into something only a FEW people like to play. Why not put it on production with out the quest and timers or whatever that nobody likes?

I just can’t wrap my head around how complacent people have become or what the point of NL is for other than a place to add new pixels and if anyone wants them they have to go over there and play on and off for a year to just to bring back as much as they can to sell to others. Not forgetting that it is missable content you have to do over and over. Ahh they could have done that on prodo

We all want uo to succeed is this really the best they can do ?

And yes I am closing accounts 16 asap I’m daily giving away and sell off things. Show me a post where I said I was quitting …. But to be honest I have been getting a lot of dms asking for my account and for the first time am actually contemplating it. I’m sure you and others would like that idk.

 

[skett]

People keep saying bring pets back... i am not so sure thats gonna happen. I am not sure where it was even stated that we could. I am aware of the transfer off, but i would think its gonna be a nekad toon.

Almost everything can be transferred off (which it wasn’t originally going to be) the only questions they are concerned with is how many pets can be transferred off to sell those that couldn’t handle that type of content.

 

[Pawain]

New Legacy is a version of UO that a new player can begin on Friday night and by Sunday they can have 700 skill points. the available skills are limited but you can make many templates that can fight. If you enter now, you can easily have invulnerable armor and vanquishing weapon with a slayer.

You can bring 2 GM skilled toons to shards that you don't have skills on.
Mages so you can gate your collecting toons around.
Crafters with 6 GM craft skills.

You can get a 50%SDI spell book with a super slayer on it. We can bring that back?? Hell Ya!

They have new pets.

Players are calling out what boss is up or which is next if you ask. I have played on Prodo shards more than NL. I'm still fighting with 2 Fire Drakes.

The next event will be on TC before this month is up. You can play NL for 20 days and get a 50SDI slayer book, at least the base pets, Grobu, Thunderhoof, Frostpaw.

850 Strength White Wyrm if you put in the time.

Instead of complaining because the devs are making so many things that you dont want to play some of them. Play NL for 20 days get some goodies. NL is not a clicky server, you have to earn the good stuff.

NL is kill the monster oriented if you don't like to kill stuff then NL might not be not for you. I like to kill stuff.
Can you have patience until June when


Publish 120 is currently slated for Word Wide Release this June – we hope to bring the first batch of Publish 120 to Test Center 1 later into May as it makes its way through development and QA. Some of the highlights include,

The Rifted Crown – Britannia has enjoyed a long period of peace and prosperity but the war drums will not remain silent forever. This exciting new live event will bring intrigue and surprises at every turn with:

• The Siege – Forces have taken control of a strategically important city – where will you stand? This multi-faceted battle will be sure to test the mettle of even the most courageous. But, for those who survive great reward awaits!
• The Clydesdale – ride into battle on this mighty steed, are the rumors of this creatures enchanted origins true?

Included in Publish 120 will also be our 28th Anniversary gifts which are slated for release in September – this year’s theme is orchids! Our talented art team has created some beautiful orchid arrangements to dress up both your house and character!



I have not had time to decompress after Eclipsed Dawn. And yall are complaining that you need more. We are going to get more next month Geez.

If you like killing stuff then you must play this on NL.

NL Forsaken Bloodline Dungeon – Ultima Online

uo.com

Complicated at first but they are doing it all day so you can learn by following them and killing stuff.

 

[Riply]

Starting to get the hang of it, definitely a building process with a brand new toon.

 

[skett]

@Pawain
So NL in your opinion helps new player for gaining skills /items and pets. All these new players will get sent to prodo and understand how skill gains work and that all the armor and weapons are trash in prodo and I’ll add I really really hope they are smart enough to sell their pets at market value so they can buy some new gear at least.

they will have to learn all the skills stats training all over again on prodo
Crafting same thing NL isn’t like prodo

So why are we not teaching this new players how to play on prodo?
Nobody is telling why this couldn’t have been done on prodo and the need to do all this on NL

A lot of people would rather them fix bugs a new single client with both graphics update older areas VvV PvP ect spend time on the that benefits everyone

I keep reading you just had a 3 month event and another one is coming soon let’s turn the table the devs make something that you would never play and for 5 year create this new part of the game and you get to continue paying and not play for months out year and you still see all the bugs a complete outdated client mass amounts of botting scripting during events that go unchecked all while focusing on their new project you will not play. So how all those on NL sit out prodo events if it’s okay for the majority to do it what about you?
I know you’re smart enough to see NL is very flawed and not fun/ entertaining at all. Even your fellow test told them repeatedly but were ignored

This also us pretending new players are playing NL returning players yes but I must have missed the “new” players on my second monitor watching all the moonglow sit around waiting for the BT timer and Manticore to open

this isn’t classic uo and it positively didn’t and isn’t bring in the largest audience
Just odd it seem nobody wants uo to grow again just continue to die off

 

[Pawain]

I didn't make NL. But yes, if you can kill stuff in NL you can kill stuff on prodo. We fight the same mobs, same arctic ogre lord the WWs are stronger in NL. The manticore encounter is harder than any on prodo shards.

But we killing harder stuff on NL with crap armor and stats.

 

[LadyLuckUO]

@LadyLuckUO
And 5 years ? Really 5 years ? Have you seen what free shards do I under 1 year with half the team size and zero budget. I feel like I’ve been fleeced for the last 5 years seeing that Frankenstein app game lol

This is absolutely unrefutable. There is no defense of what they gave us after 5yrs of fulltime paid development. Our free shard community wipes the floor with all of the dev teams.

 

[skett]

This is absolutely unrefutable. There is no defense of what they gave us after 5yrs of fulltime paid development. Our free shard community wipes the floor with all of the dev teams.

Sad thing is they still aren’t done.
they are just getting started it seems

people here are saying they are spending equal time on prodo as NL need to seriously open their eyes I wouldn’t doubt it’s more a 1/3 - 2/3

I can only conclude the main problem is Rob Denton he is supposed to be over seeing this team. I really hope EA someday sell the IP to a more competent title.
I see people saying if it wasn’t for Mesanna and this team uo wouldn’t be here she kept it alive really ? I’m sorry I feel if we had qualified people running uo we would still have a good size player base or bigger possibly and not be bleeding off players and have a shrinking community.

 

[Larisa]

People keep saying bring pets back... i am not so sure thats gonna happen. I am not sure where it was even stated that we could. I am aware of the transfer off, but i would think its gonna be a nekad toon.

Again I will state, the shattering is NOT going to happen until October. It was officially launched on October 15th so do not expect to know anything until late September.

 

[Larisa]

Did they talk about the classic client upgrade?

They actually did.

I am just watching the video now because I Was unable to be there.

From Bleak:

Smoother graphics, trying to reach the 60 FPS and many server upgrades going on in the background, sneak preview sometime this summer.

 

[skett]

They actually did.

I am just watching the video now because I Was unable to be there.

From Bleak:

Smoother graphics, trying to reach the 60 FPS and many server upgrades going on in the background, sneak preview sometime this summer.
apologies

nvm found it

 

[Larisa]

Okay so I am listening to this off and on, finally got to the part where Greg talks about what transfers off of NL.

For those interested to listen, it is at 59 mintutes, 23 seconds.

First off he reads what I posted.


Following that, he states:

Anything that falls into those categories is eligible for transfer PENDING FINAL REVIEW.

So Legacy Items (What qualifies as a legacy item?)
Pets (ALL Pets? Maybe...still PENDING FINAL REVIEW)
Decorations (Does this mean antiquities? I HOPE SO because I have gotten some pretty cool ones! And Boss Drops? Like the manticore wings? PLZ!)
Non-consumable ultima store items (There isn't anything in the store on NL that isn't in the store on prodo so I don't understand this one)

For the actual transfer, it will be a transfer-style token available in the store, so you will have to purchase a transfer back to the shard of your choice.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Listen to that last part again Larisa, I had to listen twice to be sure. Vet accounts don't need a transfer token, that's only for EJ accounts

 

[Larisa]

Ohh yeah I had to listen again....geesh!

So that's good..EJ Accounts have to buy a transfer, vet accounts don't.

Thanks Petra!

 

[Pawain]

Sounds like it will be a transfer like shields do. All the stuff on you, in your pack, in your bank, in your stable.

 

[Larisa]

Yeah and legacy items include anything with your house name on it (So if I identify an antiquity, it has my house name on it)
The legacy sash

Again PENDING FINAL REVIEW...Greg made sure to say that a LOT!

He wants to make sure any of the artwork transferring off doesn't interfere with things like server births and rares and stuff like that.

Makes sense.