Covering up for criminals

[belal]

When customers are victims of rule breaking behaviour. Witness bots, killed by people using speed hack/scripts. And they go to the official forum to complain.

They have for years removed the complaints, deleted all the posts, banned all the victims who complain.

This action of covering up the illegal behaviour I believe is what has led to the behaviour continuing and getting as bad as it did. Let me ask a question, why are they STILL censoring posts that name the client when it doesn’t even work anymore?
Someone please explain to me why they didn’t just ban Orion 5 years ago. The official forum and this one too has been covering up for criminal behaviour for years with its “censorship” and it has led to lost players. They should have listened to the victims (paying customers) years ago.

 

[hungry4knowhow]

I think criminal is a bit of a stretch....its a game friend. Take a break. Or go see how there is cheating in all games. I for one think that this will just quicken the demise of UO. Nobody who was against cheating is going to come back (its been here since 97). Someone else will develop a program or patch that works. There are only so many BS employees. While there is a plethora of players with the knowledge to do so.

I am a bit sad at this new patch revelation. It means less players, and that, no matter what...is a bad thing for the game.

 

[belal]

If I worked as an emergency response call handler. And 10 women called me about an assault that was taking place. I’m pretty sure I would lose my job if I ignored the calls and deleted the call records because I didn’t like the things being said.

 

[Pawain]

The guy who advertised constantly about the client is mad because he sees the name.

You were banned for the advertising and the things you wrote when you "exploded".

You can't see the posts now because they are not fit for consumption.

All those victims were YOU with different names, just like here.

 

[JumboJacko]

This action of covering up the illegal behaviour I believe is what has led to the behaviour continuing and getting as bad as it did. Let me ask a question, why are they STILL censoring posts that name the client when it doesn’t even work anymore?
Someone please explain to me why they didn’t just ban Orion 5 years ago. The official forum and this one too has been covering up for criminal behaviour for years with its “censorship” and it has led to lost players. They should have listened to the victims (paying customers) years ago.

It's a client with a generative AI that literally creates scripts from prompts to the point that ANYONE can use it, with next to no actual technical knowledge. I should not have to explain to you why advertising it simply by mentioning its name is a problem. It should really be a matter of common sense. It may not work now, and if everything I'm hearing is true, wont work for the forseeable future, but the fact still remains that it may come online again and shouting out to the heavens "THIS IS WHAT YOU USE TO BOT" is only going to make the problem multiply when and if it does.


I agree that doing next to nothing about it for so long allowed the problem to proliferate to the intensity it did, but now steps are being taken, and the team is at least trying to remedy the 3rd party client issue with the web client. These kinds of changes do not happen over night and you cannot expect as such. This is a 27 year old game where barely anyone even understands the code anymore, you can't just magic a new client into existence given those circumstances. I'm one of the first people to start screeching like a howler monkey at devs of any game when they're not doing their jobs or ruining the game with horrible updates, and I sure as Hell wasn't happy with the state of the game when I started playing again 6 months ago, but an honest effort is being made and I have to conceed that my concerns are being addressed and time must be given to allow the changes to happen.

 

[Stinky Pete]

I gotta hand it to them. I thought they had forfeited their "war on 3rd party programs," but it seems like they played it pretty smart. Allowing ClassicUO Web client allowed them a line of communication and compromise with active 3rd party developers. From what I gather, the CUO devs aren't going to add the new packet to their desktop client. Had they not had this relationship, I don't think it would have been long before CUO was working again.

Given that CUO is open source, someone will likely make a fork with the packet included, but it could be a while as I doubt there is a whole lot of interest in doing so. Not sure about other clients and what their devs and communities will do, but good job Broadsword for finally doing something about the issue and handling it in a meaningful way.

 

[hungry4knowhow]

I gotta hand it to them. I thought they had forfeited their "war on 3rd party programs," but it seems like they played it pretty smart. Allowing ClassicUO Web client allowed them a line of communication and compromise with active 3rd party developers. From what I gather, the CUO devs aren't going to add the new packet to their desktop client. Had they not had this relationship, I don't think it would have been long before CUO was working again.

Given that CUO is open source, someone will likely make a fork with the packet included, but it could be a while as I doubt there is a whole lot of interest in doing so. Not sure about other clients and what their devs and communities will do, but good job Broadsword for finally doing something about the issue and handling it in a meaningful way.

I generally agree with you, I just fail to see Broadswords long term play here. Those farmers were a lot of paying accounts. They just purposely took an action that will negatively impact their bottom line....I don't get it.

 

[Pawain]

If this lasts until 2025.

Tell your contacts that quit because of cheating and automated PvP to come back.

Allegedly many players quit because of cheaters, lets roll the dice and see if that was true.

Good riddance to those that want automated UO.

 

[kaio]

If this lasts until 2025.

Tell your contacts that quit because of cheating and automated PvP to come back.

Allegedly many players quit because of cheaters, lets roll the dice and see if that was true.

Good riddance to those that want automated UO.

There is no dice to roll, cheating continues as before.
Making changes to x0d packet, was just a minor bumb on the road.
Cheating switched from illegal clients to illegal 3rd party addons to yes you guessed it CC.

It is what it is, merry christmas everyone

 

[flappy6]

If I worked as an emergency response call handler. And 10 women called me about an assault that was taking place. I’m pretty sure I would lose my job if I ignored the calls and deleted the call records because I didn’t like the things being said.

Half of them prolly lying anyways

 

[Arcus]

>This action of covering up the illegal behaviour

>The official forum and this one too has been covering up for criminal behaviour

No and no.

 

[belal]

Apparently they reverted the ban and are back to supporting third party client. Unable to check myself but this is what people who use the client are saying.

 

[Pawain]

Apparently they reverted the ban and are back to supporting third party client. Unable to check myself but this is what people who use the client are saying.

Supporting? Just because someone re writes the code and they can get in again does not mean it is supported. Are you from one of those drones?

You will go to any extreme to be able to cheat again.

 

[belal]

We are given no information, they didn't post anything to say they are withdrawing their support for third party clients, they didn't post anything to say they are reinstating their support for them.

My guess is that they broke third party clients by accident and the uo devs have been working hard and fast to correct the problem to get them working again and have now done so. Without being given any communications, my guess is as good as any.

 

[Pawain]

Wow if that's what it takes you to make cheating acceptable for yourself, then, whatever.

What newsletter said they were supporting random 3rd party programs? I missed that 1.

 

[belal]

I can confirm they have reinstated their support for 3rd party clients, the bots using the client are back up and running again without action being taken on them.

 

[Pawain]

That's like saying I instated a crime zone in my house because someone broke a window and stole my TV.

And you wonder why all your accounts on the official forums are banned. Lying will do that.

 

[belal]

If an officer is stood at the door and observes someone doing it and doesn't intervene and opens the door for them. Then i would say yes they have instated a crime zone.

 

[Arcus]

I vote for this thread to be the silliest of the year..

 

[belal]

I vote for this thread to be the silliest of the year..

If somebody whistleblows that censorship is what harmed the community, i'm not sure the answer is to censor those who call out the censorship.

 

[Pawain]

If somebody whistleblows that censorship is what harmed the community, i'm not sure the answer is to censor those who call out the censorship.

They banned you for advertising it constantly geez dude, get in the real world.

Before you advertised for a year the events were Bot free. YOU are the Cops unlocking my front door and telling the criminals about the jewelry box.

 

[Anon McDougle]

If somebody whistleblows that censorship is what harmed the community, i'm not sure the answer is to censor those who call out the censorship.

See merv you've made a McDougle of yourself to many times and have zero credibility with anyone

 

[belal]

I disagree with UO's decision today to re-enable third party client.

They should've banned it perma, not just for 48 hours.

 

[Stinky Pete]

I generally agree with you, I just fail to see Broadswords long term play here. Those farmers were a lot of paying accounts. They just purposely took an action that will negatively impact their bottom line....I don't get it.

As a player, Broadsword's bottom line is none of my concern. Apparently it is their concern though. Money talks I suppose. It's good to know that they can now turn off 3rd party clients whenever they see fit. It was definitely no accident.
Imagine having to choose between allowing cheating and making money. I don't envy whoever has to make that call.

 

[hungry4knowhow]

As a player, Broadsword's bottom line is none of my concern. Apparently it is their concern though. Money talks I suppose. It's good to know that they can now turn off 3rd party clients whenever they see fit. It was definitely no accident.
Imagine having to choose between allowing cheating and making money. I don't envy whoever has to make that call.

It is your concern though....if the money isn't there then you don't have a game to play. (I know about free servers) It's a concern for all of us.

I'm not a fan of cheating, but i'm also a realist. You will not find a game that doesn't have cheating in it.

The farmers and script pvpers do not bother me at all. It is what it is and has been for 27? 28? years.

 

[Frizzman]

lmao the shear amount of people in this thread that have no idea what they are talking about is shocking.
absolutely clueless people crying about something they have no idea about.

would bet a million bux if they left the big O alone and made it legal, in three months every player would be using it because QoL improvements are unmatched.

Keep the Tear River flowing....

 

[hungry4knowhow]

lmao the shear amount of people in this thread that have no idea what they are talking about is shocking.
absolutely clueless people crying about something they have no idea about.

Welcome to the internet. I see it's your first day.