Moldering Ursine - Info, Guide, and Builds

[Silent Singer]

I have 158 drops so I'm getting close to getting the bear and I wonder the same as the poster above. I already have a fully trained bushido hiryu with all 120s. How does the AI Bushido bear compare to something like that? I don't see myself saving an additional 200 drops for a second attempt at the bear so I want the one I build to be usable. But also different from the usual stuff, which I am hoping the Life Leech enables.

 

[Pawain]

I have 158 drops so I'm getting close to getting the bear and I wonder the same as the poster above. I already have a fully trained bushido hiryu with all 120s. How does the AI Bushido bear compare to something like that? I don't see myself saving an additional 200 drops for a second attempt at the bear so I want the one I build to be usable. But also different from the usual stuff, which I am hoping the Life Leech enables.

For damage their AI hits would be the same, the bears damage spread would do more damage on normal hits. It's not a high damage build. But:

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Is the Bushido damage solid? My biggest gripe with Bushido pets has always been the lack of healing. I’m excited for this as I’ve struggled to find a solid rideable AOE pet to complement my Chiv/Magery pets.

Bushido magical for pets is mostly defensive. Most of it's damage abilities are outperformed by other abilities (LS < AI, WW < FWW). Considering the Moldering Ursine's Life Leech self healing scales with their damage output, i wouldn't consider Bushido to be the best use of a Moldering Ursine.

Bushido enables use of Honorable Execution, Lightning Strike, Momentum Strike, Counter Attack, Confidence, Evasion, and also adds the Whirlwind Attack special move. Having the Bushido skill (whether active or passive) increases the pet's Parry chance (pets parry with the equivalent of a 1H Wep), so they can go from 20% Parry chance at 120 Parry, to 35% Parry chance with 120 Parry/120 Bushido. This is where most of the tankiness from Bushido actually comes from for pets.

Honorable Execution gives the pet a HP heal (50 at 120 Bushido) and a SSI boost (+20% for 20 secs at 120 Bushido) if it kills the target. The SSI bonus will not increase their attack speed any further past what 150 Stamina allows (which is already max attack speed for pets), but will allow them to attack at the max speed if below 150 Stamina. They'll only use Honorable Execution on victim's with less than 10% Health left, but if it fails to be a killing blow (which can definitely happen on huge HP creatures), then they get a -120 Resist skill/-40 all Resists debuff for 7 seconds.
Lightning Strike gives +50% HCI for that attack, and has a 20% chance of ignoring resists at 120 Bushido skill. It's basically a RNG Armor Ignore, which ends up being less effective than Armor Ignore.
Momentum Strike hits two targets next to the pet, and deals +180% damage (at 120 Bushido) to the secondary target if the first target is killed by it. Whirlwind Attack is better than it against 3+ targets.
Counter Attack makes your pet automatically strike back (ignoring the usual swing speed cooldown) on it's next successful Parry. This counter attack is still subject to hit chance calculations, and so can still miss.
Confidence gives +100 HPR for 4 secs (which is canceled when taking damage), and restores 1-12 HP and 1-24 Stamina on every successful Parry for 15 secs (at 120 Bushido).
Evasion gives a 1.5x chance to successfully Parry and the ability to parry spells for 8 seconds (at 120 Bushido). That 35% Parry chance at 120 Parry/120 Bushido, becomes 52% Parry chance during Evasion.
Whirlwind Attack attempts to hit every adjacent target, and is subject to hit calculations on each target, and so can miss them. Frenzied Whirlwind is similar, but only the primary hit requires a hit check, and then it delivers multiple ticks of Physical damage over 2 secs to all targets within 2 tiles of the pet, and so can hit more targets than WW can. It also delivers more single target damage than WW, where WW is a waste against a single target.

In my tests of a Bushido Moldering Ursine on TC, their spellcasting AI for Bushido was very inefficient. Even when surrounded by Myrmidex at the Dragon Turtle spawn or surrounded by Greater Dragons/Dragons/Drakes in Destard, he'd very rarely use Whirlwind Attack. I actually saw him use WW more against single targets, than in AoE situations :/

 

[Silent Singer]

Finally got my first ursine and in my attempt to build a non-AI/Chiv pet but have it still be useful here is what I came up with:



My thinking is that an Armor Piercing pet is always useful with other players, it will increase the amount of life leeched, and it will be a good tank while my 2nd account uses 5 Shadowhounds when doing something like a peerless or named mob. I don't have an AP pet at the moment. What do you all think about this approach with the bear?

 

[Pawain]

Finally got my first ursine and in my attempt to build a non-AI/Chiv pet but have it still be useful here is what I came up with:

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My thinking is that an Armor Piercing pet is always useful with other players, it will increase the amount of life leeched, and it will be a good tank while my 2nd account uses 5 Shadowhounds when doing something like a peerless or named mob. I don't have an AP pet at the moment. What do you all think about this approach with the bear?

Put chiv on it also. It won't do enough damage to leech any life back with just its melee hits.

A fresh tamed Cu can kill balrons but have trouble ending a paragons life.

It depends what you are fighting. And how fast you expect to kill stuff.

 

[Anon McDougle]

Good thing my bushido ninja bear doesn't know he's not a good killer

 

[Pawain]

Good thing my bushido ninja bear doesn't know he's not a good killer

Time how long it takes to kill an Allosaurus. Can run consume. It will need it. We killed stuff before the taming revamp with pets. Just not as effectively.

Just having AI, will speed killing, just like with players.

 

[Anon McDougle]

Time how long it takes to kill an Allosaurus. Can run consume. It will need it. We killed stuff before the taming revamp with pets. Just not as effectively.

Just having AI, will speed killing, just like with players.

My mage never runs consume...and it's not a race for me

 

[Pawain]

Tell me you never fought an Allosaurus without telling me that.

My mage never runs consume.

 

[Anon McDougle]

Tell me you never fought an Allosaurus without telling me that.

My t hunter does all the time

 

[Silent Singer]

Jokes on both of you, I just trash Eodon maps.

 

[ultima2005]

Good thing my bushido ninja bear doesn't know he's not a good killer

Does he have Armor Ignore? If you can compare, how's his survivability compared to, say, an Chiv/AI Cu?

 

[Anon McDougle]

Does he have Armor Ignore? If you can compare, how's his survivability compared to, say, an Chiv/AI Cu?

No he's ninja bushido whirlwind and more whirlwind

 

[ultima2005]

No he's ninja bushido whirlwind and more whirlwind

Nice. I'm considering something similar. I really need someone with good survivability and decent damage for Spawns/Treasure Hunting.

Technically, it would be possible to build a Bushido / FWW / AI bear, right? Or am I missing something?

 

[Silent Singer]

Technically, it would be possible to build a Bushido / FWW / AI bear, right? Or am I missing something?

This is what I keep going round and round with re: the bear. Maximize Life Leech on a mount (so Pawain's Chiv version) vs Bushido defensive survival (similar to McD's version). Your version seems to want to cram all together. But won't that just drain mana like crazy and water down each individual ability? Player FTW made some good points about some of the Bushido skills being a bit of a miss with this pet. And I really don't need one more AI / Chiv pet. That's why I proposed the straight LL AP version above. Just real straightforward. Although I must admit the more I ponder it the more convinced I'm gonna need Chiv but I'm waiting to see any others' input here.

 

[ultima2005]

This is what I keep going round and round with re: the bear. Maximize Life Leech on a mount (so Pawain's Chiv version) vs Bushido defensive survival (similar to McD's version). Your version seems to want to cram all together. But won't that just drain mana like crazy and water down each individual ability? Player FTW made some good points about some of the Bushido skills being a bit of a miss with this pet. And I really don't need one more AI / Chiv pet. That's why I proposed the straight LL AP version above. Just real straightforward. Although I must admit the more I ponder it the more convinced I'm gonna need Chiv but I'm waiting to see any others' input here.

Yeah, you may be right about mana by adding the FWW. However, Mark Bradburn mentioned Bushido does not use much mana, and Player FTW mentioned FWW does not trigger life leach (hence it won't drain mana with each hit).

One other option I've considered: Chiv / AI / Feint. This loses the AEO abilities I want, but the damage should be higher, and Feint gives the passive bushido attributes (35% parry chance).

 

[Silent Singer]

Hmm Feint might be interesting too....back to reading up on it!

 

[Pawain]

Hmm Feint might be interesting too....back to reading up on it!

Ill make one AI/Feint/Chiv for my archer who has no vet.

 

[Wilma]

The only thing I don't like about the ursine is trying to scrape off all the loose meat, fur, and puss from my thighs after each ride.

 

[Dimax]

Should cut your Hide & Invis time in half due to the stench

 

[Anon McDougle]

Time how long it takes to kill an Allosaurus. Can run consume. It will need it. We killed stuff before the taming revamp with pets. Just not as effectively.

Just having AI, will speed killing, just like with players.

18 min

 

[Pawain]

18 min

Not bad. An AI/Chiv Cu takes around 10 - 12 min. Same build Hiryu takes 15 to 18.

In general, pets that do other than physical damage kill faster.

That area is a great place to learn how to isolate a mob and take it where you want it, under pressure.

 

[Anon McDougle]

Not bad. An AI/Chiv Cu takes around 10 - 12 min. Same build Hiryu takes 15 to 18.

In general, pets that do other than physical damage kill faster.

That area is a great place to learn how to isolate a mob and take it where you want it, under pressure.

The was a second one and a thing with duck face so I just healed if I was casting I could get it to 13

 

[ultima2005]

18 min

18 min without consume? That's interesting. Having a pet that's tanky enough so I don't have to use Consume is pretty valuable. More mana to use on spells.

 

[Wilma]

Any thoughts on this non-magic build? What would be the average life leech on such a build?

 

[Pawain]

Any thoughts on this non-magic build? What would be the average life leech on such a build? View attachment 158460

Put resists, AI and some regens on it after first round. Take it to a shadow ele and get the wrestling to 100, then to slugs to get 100 parry.

Then go fight some things you normally fight.

I have a Feeling it will not gain a lot of hp from LL. Also I doubt it will use a lot of mana.

You would be able to see if you need that much Mana.

If you want to, save the 100 points and just do resists and regens the first round.

You can test without AI and then with AI so you will see the damage difference that just AI makes.

You will not ruin the pet doing this, since you want resists and the AI.

This is the kind of crap I do. I have gone through so many pets by getting a Cu skilled and putting one thing on it to see how the pet does.

If you are able to get thousands of drops you can build multiple templates. I also want a few of almost everything offered in this event. Those zombies are so cool!!! I want many!

I'll be lucky to get 3 bears.

 

[ultima2005]

So I went ahead and built a Bushido/AI/Goo Bear and I wanted to give my overarching thoughts. I was excited to build it because I really wanted a solid AOE/Tank for dynamic events, spawns, T-Hunting, etc. I often use Bushido/Goo LH for such things, but the Bear is far superior as (1) it can get AI and Goo; and (2) it has the ability to heal without external help.

I have scrolled the bear, but only wrestling is at 120. Every other skill is between 100 and 110.

For the invasion event, the build is fantastic. He is able to attract a ton of attention and has great survivability. This build, in my opinion, is far preferable for this type of event than any Chiv/AI build.

However, I wanted to see how the bear would fare against single targets, so I brought him to Chaos and had him fight Paragon Balrons. I didn't use Consume Damage and instead relied on Gift of Renewal (since I'm generally using the SW mastery). With GOR, he really didn't have too much problem maintaining health, and generally dropped the paragons in about 2 and a half minutes. Once fully scrolled, I'm guessing that number will drop down a bit.

To compare, I brought my fully scrolled Chiv/AI Cu to also fight the paragons. As expected, she did much better from a damage perspective, bringing them down in around 1 minute and 30 seconds on average.

Without GOR, I'd say the Bushido build did slightly better handling the incoming damage without any external healing, and I want to see how he does when at 120 across the board. In other words, the Bushido build is tankier.

So, in general, the Bushido/AI/Goo build does far better AEO damage and is a better tank, but still puts up decent damage. When it comes to single target, though, AI/Chiv reigns supreme. Also, while the AI/Chiv build puts up bigger damage numbers, it did seem like the Bushido/AI/Goo bear hit more often, I'm guessing because things like LS, counterattack, etc.

The one thing I'd note is that raw damage isn't my only concern -- if I don't have to use consume damage on a pet, I'm able to cast more spells, and, in turn, do more damage. So I do think the tankiness of the Bushido/AI/Goo build will help in that regard.

Has anyone tried a Chiv/AI/Feint build? I'm thinking about building one for single target situations while using my Bushido bear for everything else and keeping my Cu in the stables for targets that are immune to LL. I'm just not sure it'll be worth the investment unless it is very different than my Chiv/AI Cu.

 

[Wilma]

What would be a good maximum mana to have? I thought the life leech would eat up the mana. How much would be too much?
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Thanks!

 

[Pawain]

What would be a good maximum mana to have? I thought the life leech would eat up the mana. How much would be too much?
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Thanks!

Best thing is to test it after it has skills. Then see how much it uses.

A chiv pet can go from 1500 to 0 in a min. A Bushido Hiryu uses very little mana, like an AI RC Beetle.

 

[ultima2005]

You actually don't want Whirlwind on them. Every time Life Leech procs, it consumes 5 Mana. So WWing a bunch of mobs, would immediately devour a ton of Mana. Whirlwind is highly unreliable as well, the pet can be completely surrounded by mobs, and never use Whirlwind Attack. They use it more often in single target, than in AoE situations :/


Life Leech procs on outgoing damage, not incoming. The harder the pet hits, the more damage they heal when Life Leech procs. Life Leech only procs on melee hits too, and doesn't proc off of Frenzied Whirlwind ticks (Frenzied Whirlwind isn't affected by modifiers like EoO, Divine Fury, or Con Wep either). The biggest weaknesses of Life Leech healing for pets, is A) mobs that are immune to Life Leech, B) mobs that have extremely high Wrest/Parry skill, and so are difficult to land hits on, and C) taking so much damage that their Stamina drops, slowing down their swing speed and therefore self healing.

Here's how i built my Moldering Ursine. Saved Planner | uo-cah.com
Chiv+AI, for maximum single target damage output for his Life Leech to scale with. I gave him 30 Stamina Regen to keep him swinging fast even when taking heavy damage, due to his self healing scaling with his damage output. Moldering Ursines are basically superior to Ossein Rams, not only do they have higher Intensity, but they're even mountable.

The true secret power of Life Leech pets, is the fact that their Life Leech can still heal at full effectiveness through Combat Training: Berserk. Upon reaching half health, Berserk causes the pet to gain a ton of damage output, and damage resistance, but at the cost of severely reducing all incoming heals (other than Life Leech for pets). It's basically a "Kamikaze" mode for any other pet, they'll eventually die, but dish out a ****ton of damage during it. Life Leech pets can survive while Berserk, and dish out a ton of damage. For example, here's a screen of my 120 Chiv+AI Ossein Ram dealing a 436 damage AI during EoO while Berserk (that same hit, took the Ram from half health to full). I've heard of others saying they've seen 500+. That Ossein Ram was at GM Tactics, and didn't have the TP for anything higher. Moldering Ursines do have enough TP for full 120s, and so can hit even harder when Berserk, and have higher HP.
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Question: How do you think adding Feint would impact the pet’s performance under Berserk? I’m thinking about a Chiv/AI/Feint bear, but this is intriguing.

 

[Silent Singer]

So I went ahead and built a Bushido/AI/Goo Bear and I wanted to give my overarching thoughts. I was excited to build it because I really wanted a solid AOE/Tank for dynamic events, spawns, T-Hunting, etc. I often use Bushido/Goo LH for such things, but the Bear is far superior as (1) it can get AI and Goo; and (2) it has the ability to heal without external help.

I have scrolled the bear, but only wrestling is at 120. Every other skill is between 100 and 110.

For the invasion event, the build is fantastic. He is able to attract a ton of attention and has great survivability. This build, in my opinion, is far preferable for this type of event than any Chiv/AI build.

However, I wanted to see how the bear would fare against single targets, so I brought him to Chaos and had him fight Paragon Balrons. I didn't use Consume Damage and instead relied on Gift of Renewal (since I'm generally using the SW mastery). With GOR, he really didn't have too much problem maintaining health, and generally dropped the paragons in about 2 and a half minutes. Once fully scrolled, I'm guessing that number will drop down a bit.

To compare, I brought my fully scrolled Chiv/AI Cu to also fight the paragons. As expected, she did much better from a damage perspective, bringing them down in around 1 minute and 30 seconds on average.

Without GOR, I'd say the Bushido build did slightly better handling the incoming damage without any external healing, and I want to see how he does when at 120 across the board. In other words, the Bushido build is tankier.

So, in general, the Bushido/AI/Goo build does far better AEO damage and is a better tank, but still puts up decent damage. When it comes to single target, though, AI/Chiv reigns supreme. Also, while the AI/Chiv build puts up bigger damage numbers, it did seem like the Bushido/AI/Goo bear hit more often, I'm guessing because things like LS, counterattack, etc.

The one thing I'd note is that raw damage isn't my only concern -- if I don't have to use consume damage on a pet, I'm able to cast more spells, and, in turn, do more damage. So I do think the tankiness of the Bushido/AI/Goo build will help in that regard.

Has anyone tried a Chiv/AI/Feint build? I'm thinking about building one for single target situations while using my Bushido bear for everything else and keeping my Cu in the stables for targets that are immune to LL. I'm just not sure it'll be worth the investment unless it is very different than my Chiv/AI Cu.

Thank you for the detailed writeup! This is why I always check the tamer sub first!

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Question: How do you think adding Feint would impact the pet’s performance under Berserk? I’m thinking about a Chiv/AI/Feint bear, but this is intriguing.

At 120 Bushido, Feint reduces the damage taken by 50% for 6 seconds. It would take longer to get into Berserk range (Berserk activates at under 50% Health, and gets stronger the more incoming damage), but they'd also take less damage while Berserk with Feint usage. Generally you're looking at a decrease in damage output (due to less AI usage), but an increase in damage mitigation (due to higher Parry chance, and the effect of Feint). Whether that increase in damage mitigation makes up for the loss in damage output (and therefore leech healing), is an interesting question.

 

[ultima2005]

At 120 Bushido, Feint reduces the damage taken by 50% for 6 seconds. It would take longer to get into Berserk range (Berserk activates at under 50% Health, and gets stronger the more incoming damage), but they'd also take less damage while Berserk with Feint usage. Generally you're looking at a decrease in damage output (due to less AI usage), but an increase in damage mitigation (due to higher Parry chance, and the effect of Feint). Whether that increase in damage mitigation makes up for the loss in damage output (and therefore leech healing), is an interesting question.

Thanks! A Chiv/AI/Feint bear would also get the Bushido passive of better parry, right?

Edit: Nevermind, just noticed your reference to a higher parry chance. Thanks again!

 

[Wilma]

So I went ahead and built a Bushido/AI/Goo Bear and I wanted to give my overarching thoughts. I was excited to build it because I really wanted a solid AOE/Tank for dynamic events, spawns, T-Hunting, etc. I often use Bushido/Goo LH for such things, but the Bear is far superior as (1) it can get AI and Goo; and (2) it has the ability to heal without external help.

I have scrolled the bear, but only wrestling is at 120. Every other skill is between 100 and 110.

For the invasion event, the build is fantastic. He is able to attract a ton of attention and has great survivability. This build, in my opinion, is far preferable for this type of event than any Chiv/AI build.

However, I wanted to see how the bear would fare against single targets, so I brought him to Chaos and had him fight Paragon Balrons. I didn't use Consume Damage and instead relied on Gift of Renewal (since I'm generally using the SW mastery). With GOR, he really didn't have too much problem maintaining health, and generally dropped the paragons in about 2 and a half minutes. Once fully scrolled, I'm guessing that number will drop down a bit.

To compare, I brought my fully scrolled Chiv/AI Cu to also fight the paragons. As expected, she did much better from a damage perspective, bringing them down in around 1 minute and 30 seconds on average.

Without GOR, I'd say the Bushido build did slightly better handling the incoming damage without any external healing, and I want to see how he does when at 120 across the board. In other words, the Bushido build is tankier.

So, in general, the Bushido/AI/Goo build does far better AEO damage and is a better tank, but still puts up decent damage. When it comes to single target, though, AI/Chiv reigns supreme. Also, while the AI/Chiv build puts up bigger damage numbers, it did seem like the Bushido/AI/Goo bear hit more often, I'm guessing because things like LS, counterattack, etc.

The one thing I'd note is that raw damage isn't my only concern -- if I don't have to use consume damage on a pet, I'm able to cast more spells, and, in turn, do more damage. So I do think the tankiness of the Bushido/AI/Goo build will help in that regard.

Has anyone tried a Chiv/AI/Feint build? I'm thinking about building one for single target situations while using my Bushido bear for everything else and keeping my Cu in the stables for targets that are immune to LL. I'm just not sure it'll be worth the investment unless it is very different than my Chiv/AI Cu.

Is it hard to keep the paragons from targeting you? Once my pet is attacking the paragon, I usually get targeted by that same paragon and it was targeting my pet. What is the best way to not get attacked by a paragon when the pet is fighting it?

 

[ultima2005]

Is it hard to keep the paragons from targeting you? Once my pet is attacking the paragon, I usually get targeted by that same paragon and it was targeting my pet. What is the best way to not get attacked by a paragon when the pet is fighting it?

I'm a coward, so I just keep recasting invisible until the paragon locks on to my pet, haha. Using a -0 mage weapon like a Balakai's shaman staff helps a lot, too.

 

[Wilma]

I'm a coward, so I just keep recasting invisible until the paragon locks on to my pet, haha. Using a -0 mage weapon like a Balakai's shaman staff helps a lot, too.

I usually cast invis, but, even when the paragon is locked on to my pet, if I need to heal the pet, the paragon suddenly locks on to me and attacks. Even when my pet is still attacking the paragon. I was maybe thinking about using giant turkey feathers, but they are expensive.

 

[ultima2005]

I usually cast invis, but, even when the paragon is locked on to my pet, if I need to heal the pet, the paragon suddenly locks on to me and attacks. Even when my pet is still attacking the paragon. I was maybe thinking about using giant turkey feathers, but they are expensive.

My bear doesn't seem to require a ton of healing, but when he does due to an especially large pull, I generally rely on Gift of Renewal so I can recast invisible.

 

[ultima2005]

Another build I am considering: AI and Feint (no magic). This way, the bear only spams the two skills I want: one offensive, one defensive. And he'd get the passive bushido benefits.

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Time how long it takes to kill an Allosaurus. Can run consume. It will need it. We killed stuff before the taming revamp with pets. Just not as effectively.

Just having AI, will speed killing, just like with players.

Did a comparison test. All tests were conducted with Consume Damage running, and without Discord on the Allosaurus.
Chiv+AI Moldering Ursine took 13 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. No external healing needed. Low EoO uptime.
Chiv+AI Frost Drake (Krampus) took 11 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. External healing needed. Moderate EoO uptime.
Chiv+AI Triton (full 120s, and 129.4 Wrest) took 8 mins/15 secs to kill the Allosaurus. No external healing needed. High EoO uptime.
Poison+RC+AI Fire Beetle took 14 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. External healing needed.

 

[Silent Singer]

Did a comparison test. All tests were conducted with Consume Damage running, and without Discord on the Allosaurus.
Chiv+AI Moldering Ursine took 13 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. No external healing needed. Low EoO uptime.
Chiv+AI Frost Drake (Krampus) took 11 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. External healing needed. Moderate EoO uptime.
Chiv+AI Triton (full 120s, and 129.4 Wrest) took 8 mins/15 secs to kill the Allosaurus. No external healing needed. High EoO uptime.
Poison+RC+AI Fire Beetle took 14 mins/30 secs to kill the Allosaurus. External healing needed.

Neat that the bear did it without having the healing skill but just life leech. Implies that the extra survivability of Feint isn't needed in one on one situations. Does anyone know if the area attacks can also leech life with the bear? I'm thinking no but might be misremembering.

 

[Pawain]

Neat that the bear did it without having the healing skill but just life leech. Implies that the extra survivability of Feint isn't needed in one on one situations. Does anyone know if the area attacks can also leech life with the bear? I'm thinking no but might be misremembering.

He was running consume on all of them. Allosaurus is a pet killer. It is the only easy access mob that takes 10+ minutes for a pet to kill. You can see the pets mana usage and test other things on them, like builds and regens.

 

[Pawain]

We can make T Rex statues now from the huntsmaster challenge. Grab a friend and go kill him. 2 Pets can kill him or Great Ape in a decent amount of time.

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Another test. Without Consume Damage or Discord, neither the Triton nor the Moldering Ursine could solo the Allosaurus without external healing. The Triton would redline at 4 mins into the fight, and the Moldering Ursine would redline 3 mins into the fight.

Without Consume Damage, but with Discord, the Triton's 120 Healing was just barely keeping up with the Allosaurus' damage, and he won the fight with about 40% Health left. Triton's and Cu's self healing only scales with their Healing skill, there's nothing you can do to amplify it past 120 Healing skill, so their self healing is pretty static.

Without Consume Damage, but with Discord, the Allosaurus was no match or threat whatsoever for the Moldering Ursine, his Life Leech self healing was enough to keep him 90% health or above the entire fight, and he ended the fight with 100% Health. The Allosaurus' Greater Poison was no impediment to the Molderine Ursine's self healing. Moldering Ursine's self healing scales greatly with their melee damage output, and so they synergize extremely well with Disco/Tamers. If i apply HLD to an opponent as well with my 50% HLA/50% HLD/-15 Mage Wep/SC Magical Shortbow, that would also increase the Moldering Ursine's damage output and therefore self healing. Anything that makes the opponent easier to land hits on or take more damage when hit, will amplify the Moldering Ursine's self healing as well.
This also means that being partied with a full Bard running Inspire, will supercharge a Moldering Ursine's damage output and self healing. Or the Moldering Ursine attacking a target that is under the effect of Rune Corruption from a Beetle.

 

[ultima2005]

Another test. Without Consume Damage or Discord, neither the Triton nor the Moldering Ursine could solo the Allosaurus without external healing. The Triton would redline at 4 mins into the fight, and the Moldering Ursine would redline 3 mins into the fight.

Without Consume Damage, but with Discord, the Triton's 120 Healing was just barely keeping up with the Allosaurus' damage, and he won the fight with about 40% Health left. Triton's and Cu's self healing only scales with their Healing skill, there's nothing you can do to amplify it past 120 Healing skill, so their self healing is pretty static.

Without Consume Damage, but with Discord, the Allosaurus was no match or threat whatsoever for the Moldering Ursine, his Life Leech self healing was enough to keep him 90% health or above the entire fight, and he ended the fight with 100% Health. The Allosaurus' Greater Poison was no impediment to the Molderine Ursine's self healing. Moldering Ursine's self healing scales greatly with their melee damage output, and so they synergize extremely well with Disco/Tamers. If i apply HLD to an opponent as well with my 50% HLA/50% HLD/-15 Mage Wep/SC Magical Shortbow, that would also increase the Moldering Ursine's damage output and therefore self healing. Anything that makes the opponent easier to land hits on or take more damage when hit, will amplify the Moldering Ursine's self healing as well.
This also means that being partied with a full Bard running Inspire, will supercharge a Moldering Ursine's damage output and self healing. Or the Moldering Ursine attacking a target that is under the effect of Rune Corruption from a Beetle.

This is really interesting. One of my go-to templates is a Bard/Tamer. Based on this, it seems like a Disco/AI Bear + Disco + Empowerment may be a pretty solid combo? Or, like you said, Inspire + a Chiv/AI Bear.

Damnit. Now I need to start saving up my event points again.

 

[Pawain]

A lot of dinosaurs are very difficult to bard.

@PlayerSkillFTW I have never wanted to discord an allo, does it take a bunch of tries?

@ultima2005 yes discord with any build is great. I'm not into discord pets, I play with the volume on, it's as annoying as sword noise to me.

I rank Discord on Pets as tied with Chivalry, not because it's better than other magics, it's in a class alone.

In NL our toons do so little damage, discord is awesome there.

 

[Anon McDougle]

A lot of dinosaurs are very difficult to bard.

@PlayerSkillFTW I have never wanted to discord an allo, does it take a bunch of tries?

@ultima2005 yes discord with any build is great. I'm not into discord pets, I play with the volume on, it's as annoying as sword noise to me.

I rank Discord on Pets as tied with Chivalry, not because it's better than other magics, it's in a class alone.

In NL our toons do so little damage, discord is awesome there.

Discoing allo only minorly annoying

 

[ultima2005]

A lot of dinosaurs are very difficult to bard.

@PlayerSkillFTW I have never wanted to discord an allo, does it take a bunch of tries?

@ultima2005 yes discord with any build is great. I'm not into discord pets, I play with the volume on, it's as annoying as sword noise to me.

I rank Discord on Pets as tied with Chivalry, not because it's better than other magics, it's in a class alone.

In NL our toons do so little damage, discord is awesome there.

hmm. I wonder if a Disco/AI bear would be effective. Probably would complement a mage tamer well.

 

[Pawain]

hmm. I wonder if a Disco/AI bear would be effective. Probably would complement a mage tamer well.

Yes it will damage with AI, and make those horrible noises.

 

[ultima2005]

Ugh, now I want three bears — my Bushido/AI/Goo bear, a Disco/AI bear, and a Chiv/AI bear. This may end up being an expensive event.

 

[Pawain]

Allosaurus Gives Greatly Gains, so you can use them for training a round.

Here is a Lore sheet of an Allosaurus:


Notice the resists, other than Fire, Fit a Bear or Cu.

One of the few things that do Posion damage.

The main reason I Don't put cold resist on my pets, I put Poison to max. I have Cus and Frost Mite if something does high cold damage.