IDOC

[Grugot]

So a keep fell in Fel and I was the lone person to wait to place a new one. After 2+ hours of waiting someone shows up, kills me, places a keep, puts a for sale sign up and logs. You all talk a lot about scriptors but something tells me its more. I'd almost say this was GM like.

I'm letting this account expire. Pretty soon the only keeps and castles up will be for sale by GMs.

 

[Pawain]

You are that difficult to kill? That it takes a GM.

You do know that players can use stealth and you not see them. Which is what you should have done.

 

[Grugot]

LOL.. Didnt realize you could stealth on horseback.

Sheesh

 

[Pawain]

LOL.. Didnt realize you could stealth on horseback.

Sheesh

Maybe his stealther was on a different account. He brought in another account to kill you.

Next time use a toon with magery and protection so you can mark runes near IDOCs and recall away as soon as attacked.

Others will be better than you and I in all games. So if you can not handle that, you should stick to single player games.

 

[mihali]

What shard was this on? In some shards there are some fairly well known pkers, supposedly pretty sneaky steallthing around and at proper distance will get on their ethy. Its a chance you take when idocing in Fel. Can you Idoc with a pet? I wonder if a pet could be used in such cases for extra defence/offense, Like a Naja with PB/
FWW, or even a Cu properly specialised? No idea here.
I am not sure if posting the pks name is legal so would likely not disclose it here, but would let my team mates know.
What is not illegal may be the modus operandi details to disclose here, as it may be useful to someone else.
--So you can be sure he/she stealth, then got on to ethy.
--Any other details?
--Also shard would be useful.

 

[skett]

most shards have fel keep spots. what shard are you on ?

 

[Grugot]

My point isn't that someone killed me. I was on my bard. It isn't too hard. My point is that this person showed up, killed me, and immediately placed. As if he knew the timing of when it would free up. My rhythm of trying to place is like every 30sec - 60 sec. Even if they had a stealther there it seems odd that he would bring in his toon at the exact moment it is about to free up to have a keep placed.

 

[skett]

I've read there is a script that some use, I have no clue if that's true or not ?

 

[Victim of Siege]

it could be as benign as they were running by, noticed you, killed you and then said "oh hey, I think a keep will fit here". Or it could be that the GM's are watching every IDOC and are in a conspiracy to run a side hustle for extra cash and killed you to take the spot, or any scenario in between, My money is on something closer to the first scenario i threw out, Buuuut . . .

 

[superfrog]

Right....

Kind of what I said when you threw that GM conspiracy BS out . . .

 

[Pawain]

My point isn't that someone killed me. I was on my bard. It isn't too hard. My point is that this person showed up, killed me, and immediately placed. As if he knew the timing of when it would free up. My rhythm of trying to place is like every 30sec - 60 sec. Even if they had a stealther there it seems odd that he would bring in his toon at the exact moment it is about to free up to have a keep placed.

Luck works in RL better than in UO.
Vics first scenario or someone there with a stealth observer are better options.

Especially if that person has other houses for sale. He prob had 6 accounts near.

 

[Arcus]

So a keep fell in Fel and I was the lone person to wait to place a new one.

No you weren't .

After 2+ hours of waiting someone shows up, kills me, places a keep, puts a for sale sign up and logs.

Fel is Fel.

You all talk a lot about scriptors but something tells me its more. I'd almost say this was GM like.

I'm letting this account expire. Pretty soon the only keeps and castles up will be for sale by GMs.

Yep . Always a conspiracy and never just not knowing how to play in Fel. That's it. Gotta be !!! /s

 

[Grugot]

Apologies. Didn't notice you were there. I guess you had a much better view of what was going on than I did. Which one were you that I couldn't see?

 

[mihali]

I agree that the GM theory does not hold too much water. There is no GM that would risk losing their "job" to grab a plot of any type. There have been some very few corrupt ones in the past we all know their names, and what they did, and we know they got fired.
About the ethics in Fel, there is always a risk of getting attacked/killed, stolen from etc. No ethics and no honour in Fel, supposedly anyways, part of the game.
Lick your wounds and don't stress over this anymore.
Its part of the thrill of going to Fel, the danger of encountering a PKER, like the one that got you.
To doc in Fel, I would set up a character that would be able to fend off a Pker, and equip with PK type weapons, if you want. Also use detect hidden type of activities, might help. Get a friend or 2 to doc together if in Fel.
I think that to kill your account because of this does not compute.
( It is an entire approach that may work against PKs at times, and technique, may want to practice with some friends first to see what works. Good weapons alone are not enough for fighting PKs but we had a couple of pretty decent ones both swords and macing last few events, check them out. Get trap boxes or pouches, if a tamer-fighter get a nasty lill Naja with high dexterity and hits, Poison, PB and FWW. May find this useful).

 

[Grugot]

To be clear, getting killed is not what bothers me. It all just seemed to weird for him to just show up, kill me, and immediately place the keep. Perhaps it was just random luck but I'd assume the probability of someone just running around Fel, finding a spot post-IDOC that just became available the moment he showed up, and placing. That has to be a pretty low probability.

 

[Pawain]

To be clear, getting killed is not what bothers me. It all just seemed to weird for him to just show up, kill me, and immediately place the keep. Perhaps it was just random luck but I'd assume the probability of someone just running around Fel, finding a spot post-IDOC that just became available the moment he showed up, and placing. That has to be a pretty low probability.

You still do not understand that house sellers have more than 1 account. There could have been 10 accounts hidden there trying to place.

 

[James [W^H]]

This reminds me of a Keep I placed awhile back. There was an IDOC and when I went back to try and place, the timer was still not letting me. I was just standing there in plain sight, trying every few minutes. I finally got the image on the ground and placed. The second I clicked the gump, a hidden player popped under the house sign and was revealed. He had been hidden out in the middle of the area. He was as surprised as I was. Turned out to be a really nice person and congratulated me.

 

[Poo]

while the situation sucks I don't think it would have been a GM.
first, you are assuming they know what the timer is.
they probably don't.
second what would he gain?
unless it was ATL, which I would assume it wasn't since you had the IDOC alone to yourself.
every other shard you can probably place a fel keep on without too much hassle.
what do keeps sell for on most shards?
worth a job?
still sucks you didn't get your spot.
might I recommend next time you try stealth placing instead of standing in fel balls out on a player that cant pvp.
I know if I had to place a house on fel I'd be stealthing in and tracking the entire time.

 

[Arcus]

To be clear, getting killed is not what bothers me. It all just seemed to weird for him to just show up, kill me, and immediately place the keep. Perhaps it was just random luck but I'd assume the probability of someone just running around Fel, finding a spot post-IDOC that just became available the moment he showed up, and placing. That has to be a pretty low probability.

He was watching the IDOC and was ready. Its really just that simple.

 

[sibble]

Some of you are underestimating the time and energy these IDOC groups put in.

I was formerly a part of a very successful IDOC group for several years and I can tell you that some people made it their job.

All day, every day.

People who live and breathe IDOCs have experience and knowledge - two things enabling successful IDOC looting and placements.

They're going to set timers, alerts, reminders, alarms to wake up in the middle of the night just for a chance to loot/place.

And yes - some of them use scripts to watch for house sign changes, applications, and other tools that help them track IDOC progress.

Because, that's all they do.

So you come in and you're doing your first, or second, or fifth, or 20th IDOC and you are angry at the guy/group who possibly spent 1,000 hours doing IDOCs had knowledge of when it would drop, had knowledge that there was a player there waiting and would possibly have to kill. They knew you were there because they had another account hiding there watching you. They brought a PVP character in to kill you, because they knew you were there and would have to kill the competition. They did it at that time because they knew if they could distract you and kill you, that there would be no competition to place the keep when placement is available.

I mean no offense here, I'm just trying to assist with understanding. A GM did not take your IDOC.

 

[Grugot]

Much respect Pawain. You've been telling me the whole time what happened with you not being there but when someone else comes with an opposing view to yourself you jump on them about not being there. I love the hypocrisy. Respect.

 

[Grugot]

I was formerly a part of a very successful IDOC group for several years and I can tell you that some people made it their job.

All day, every day.

Same goes with champ spawns in Fel. 24/7 bots to notify when someone is doing a spawn and their progress so they know exactly when to jump them.

 

[Pawain]

Much respect Pawain. You've been telling me the whole time what happened with you not being there but when someone else comes with an opposing view to yourself you jump on them about not being there. I love the hypocrisy. Respect.

He did not give an opposing view. I said it was probably a professional seller long ago.
I was standing up for you. Is that guy correct with the name of the placer and seller?

The only thing anyone is disputing the the false conspiracy theory about GMs.

 

[jack flash uk]

I used to love idocs in Europa back in the day when the server was full

great loot (vet rewards) I use dot sell 18x18 for 6m

I used ot supply several vendor shops for quick sales, and was part of an awesome small guild called ACG

life was great!

And even then there were placer cheats and looters (rafman)

Now with the Idoc changes and the loud mouth (who got her castle and now screws everyone else) and the server issues in ATL and all possible theories, the Idoc play style is well and truly dead

best advice

dont do them, and dont buy from suspected script placers.

I saw in chat yesterday in ATL someone trying to sell an 18x18 for 1.5P. WTF

dont support RMT sites

enjoy other aspects of the game

So from someone who knows.........you are NOT going to win, you will NOT be heard, and your mental health WILL be negatively affected

Forget Idocs

The loot is **** now anyway

 

[sibble]

So from someone who knows.........you are NOT going to win, you will NOT be heard, and your mental health WILL be negatively affected

Forget Idocs

The loot is **** now anyway

Personally I thought the IDOC change was horrible - my overall feeling about it is "less fun."

You don't get to see what the person's house looked like with all their furniture, running around trying to grab items in the air, etc.

It's all ugly barrels now. The thrill is gone.

THEN they decide to dictate what is lootable and items that will get deleted and never seen again.

What else is in that delete list that we don't know about?

 

[jack flash uk]

I believe they also fill it with crap, the last few I did before I just gave up was full of tat. Tat that a vet player would just not have.

Of course i don't know, but I would not be surprised if there is a system in place that creates generic bits to fill barrels

And if there is. WHY?

The thrill of searching for houses (when europa was full) and finding whoppers

Marking them, my guild leader would time them, you used to be able to predict fall times a few days early with the idoc cycle, he would get a 2 hour window (UK time) then on the day it turns to idoc he only had to wait a short time to fine tune the fall time.

Then the occasion when you had a house to yourself, and a spare acct to place a loot house next door

Loaded houses with only you there, but you panic to grab everything and safety store it

opening the containers to see TREASURE!!!!!!!!!

sharing locations with other idocs that do their searches, sharing loot, allowing them access to loot houses

Now its all on a plate, either the NPC or the ATL gobshite

I remember some of my best hoards, then only to be well and truly destroyed by a screen shot from Dixie of Chessy of one of her great hauls.

I used to call myself an idoc raider and real estate agent, I used to update my profile with the idocs I raided and the houses/tower/keep and castles I sold

Had a great Fel evasion template as well

Even had a red guild in Europa sometimes keep a good idoc free of players while I looted, then we would share the loot

What a play style

All these great memories gone

 

[jack flash uk]

Its sometimes makes me angry or sad thinking back

how it was ruined by the scripters (looters and placers)

then the loot timer came in

then the barrels, and deleting the large stacks and vet rewards

The invisible tiles theory

The cheats locking up ATL castles while they looted and placed it theory ( I remember being at an ATL castle a short time ago, and when it fell I could not move for the 2 hour placing window, then finally, I could move, everything already hoovered up, new castle placed)

HOW???? I have a £4000 computer with 4090GTX etc and a 1TB Internet so I guarantee it's not me or my hardware ( custom built to run Star Citizen with 80FPS+)

Foul play 100%

NO appetite from the current Dev team to fix

all ruined

So like I said above. Forget idocs, go earn your fortune another way

 

[mihali]

"go earn your fortune another way "

Yes! Pirate hats!! Waves level 30-90 with team of course.

 

[Grugot]

Just came on to say there was another IDOC and the same person that got it last time got it this time. Immediately put the for sale sign up. Seems fishy to me.

 

[jack flash uk]

As long as them brown envelopes are flying, nothing will change

 

[Arcus]

As long as them brown envelopes are flying, nothing will change

Do brown envelopes make a brown noise when they land in the woods?

 

[Pawain]

Do brown envelopes make a brown noise when they land in the woods?

I think he is projecting what he would do. If he were the boss.

 

[Anon McDougle]

I am eating a Freddy's Steak Burger.

I'm catching red Snook wondering what to buy with my hats and cargo

 

[Victim of Siege]

I'm catching red Snook wondering what to buy with my hats and cargo

I just Farted.

 

[Pawain]

I just Farted.

More interesting than the confessed cheater quitting.

I hope everything came out all right.

 

[shootgun]

Trololololol....

A person using exploit to control the housing market for more than a year:
A person logging in with multiple accounts:

Never change Pawait. You are hilarious as you are

 

[Pawain]

Trololololol....

A person using exploit to control the housing market for more than a year:
A person logging in with multiple accounts:

Never change Pawait. You are hilarious as you are

You wrote how you were banned for cheating and claim to have plats of rewards.

I run multiple accounts every time I log in and have never had a GM ask me anything much less have had multiple accounts banned like you said you have.

No one cares when cheaters quit.

 

[mihali]

More interesting than the confessed cheater quitting.

I hope everything came out all right.

If it was a wet one, probably horrible smelling gas and also a brown sputter with some bits and pieces..(poor wife, she really needs to scrub that underwear)..

 

[Victim of Siege]

If it was a wet one, probably horrible smelling gas and also a brown sputter with some bits and pieces..(poor wife, she really needs to scrub that underwear)..

Like that pancake does laundry

 

[Victim of Siege]

 

[mihali]

This is likely all fake news and misinterpretations. Most of us do not buy any of this conspiracy theorizing.
But keep it up, it is somewhat entertaining.
Ex-employees are Ex for some serious reasons, just think about it, they got caught and got canned so now they are angry and could be lying or confabulating tales? Just think about it a little.
For some people this is more rewarding to them, i.e. spewing poison about the game and mesana and the devs, rather than actually playing the game like most of us mortals do.
I challenge you to go to the void pool and fight with level 60-80 pirates survive and then get some pirates hats!

 

[shootgun]

For some people this is more rewarding to them, i.e. spewing poison about the game and mesana and the devs, rather than actually playing the game like most of us mortals do.

First of all, nobody needs to spew poison about mesanna. She is doing an extremely good job of that. Most people that worked with mesanna calls her a nasty person. You can take a look some of her answers in Dev Q&A and you will see that she is a nasty person.

Ex-employees are Ex for some serious reasons, just think about it, they got caught and got canned so now they are angry and could be lying or confabulating tales? Just think about it a little.

They did not get canned because they were caught. They got canned because Mesanna was caught sweeping their exploit use, script use, cheating, and RMT under the rug.

 

[shootgun]

Maybe you will be brave enough to make it in unleashed where we can call your posts what they really are.

Facts are facts here. Facts are facts there. The only difference between here and there is you can't **** talk your way in an argument here.

Now, I am going to state a fact. Multiple people that worked with Mesanna at a professional capacity state that she swiped exploit use, script use, cheating, and RMT under the rug.

If these accusations by her ex coworkers are wrong, then mesanna can take them to court for slander, go through the discovery, and prove wrong doing on their part. Something tells me she will not.

 

[mihali]

Attorneys require real money to both file a case, and also pursue it with discovery and depositions. Each phone call by the attorney and also each email back and forth would cost anywhere from $400 to $700, and the case would last 2-3-4 years or more accruing costs upwards from at least $20k to $50k several years down the line, and this does not include court trial costs. Then in terms of discovery it is going to be he said - she said, they told me, etc, and no factual data to present. And finally boom! Mesana wins the case. Now what? You think she will be able to extract anything from the "ex-workers"? Think about it. Lawsuit is out of the question toxic defamation or otherwise. Not practical or affordable. When you deal with most attorneys they will require RL hard earned cash, so get ready to put the house on mortgage if you decide to sue the "ex-workers".

"We have not learned game mechanics well, so we flop at idocs, and in general in the game, other pple are doing so much better so they must be cheating/exploiting. So they are still around therefore the Devs must be helping them somehow?" Oversimplification aside, Just a convenient theory for some folks.

 

[Victim of Siege]

 

[Pawain]

Facts are facts here. Facts are facts there. The only difference between here and there is you can't **** talk your way in an argument here.

Now, I am going to state a fact. Multiple people that worked with Mesanna at a professional capacity state that she swiped exploit use, script use, cheating, and RMT under the rug.

If these accusations by her ex coworkers are wrong, then mesanna can take them to court for slander, go through the discovery, and prove wrong doing on their part. Something tells me she will not.

1. You have never had employees.
2. The people that have worked with Mesanna have worked for her since 2012 and longer.
3. Name one developer in broadsword that has quit since 2012.
4. Who cares what the minimum wage employees say about her? Like I said if you have had employees you would know that you should get rid of the ones with their own agendas. Those employees will complain about you when you do.
5. Do you also believe yelp reviews?
6. You argument is things that happen Years ago and were rectified, the punishment was given, and they are disgruntled ex employees. When they lost their gravy train they complain.

EMs, GMs come and go. Her employees that run the game stay. I'd say that is a remarkable boss when your main employees do not leave.

 

[shootgun]

1. You have never had employees.

I am a CEO of a company . Actually, now I think about it. My company has more engineers that works for me than Mesanna does

2. The people that have worked with Mesanna have worked for her since 2012 and longer.

So being a yes man for a narcissist is a virtue now?

4. Who cares what the minimum wage employees say about her? Like I said if you have had employees you would know that you should get rid of the ones with their own agendas. Those employees will complain about you when you do.

None of my employees would call me a narcissist. Because I am not one
To answer your question, I do care what they say. But you are spending awfully long time arguing with me for someone who does not care.

6. You argument is things that happen Years ago and were rectified, the punishment was given, and they are disgruntled ex employees. When they lost their gravy train they complain.

So how do you explain the current situation where they refuse to take action against people that break the ToS while taking an action against others?

 

[Pawain]

I am a CEO of a company

You literally wrote about getting a new job on the other forums last week.

Ya I'm done with liars. Bye

 

[shootgun]

You literally wrote about getting a new job on the other forums last week.

Ya I'm done with liars. Bye

Please send a screenshot of that to here.... Because I said "FOCUS ON BUSINESS".

 

[shootgun]

Look at the attachment, then look at the following

https://forum.uo.com/uploads/editor/8d/2mlrx28uugz5.jpg