Rares Quantities

[Sithas]

I've noticed someone went back into the wiki stratics and added a rough quantities on how many EM event items dropped on alot of the newer drops from the past couple years. I'm very curious how this was determined. I once had an EM tell me how many of a certain dropped spawned, and was told by many rares collectors around here there is no way the EM knows. So how were all these determined now? Here is one example.

Transdimensional Reconfiguration Matrix Control Panel - Stratics Community Wiki

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The Wiki now says 50 dropped of this one. That is not possible, I was at the event, the time was wrong and half the population was an hour late to the event showing up after it was over. Alot of crying ensued. There was maybe a few more than 50 people there this evening, and not even close to everyone got one of these. I'd speculated more around 20-25 tops.

How are these determined now??

 

[Promathia]

How are these determined now??

By someone who decided to completely guess

 

[Dryzzid of Atlantic]

It's all made up.

 

[Danpal]

There is no way to tell how many of the new em items are out there. It is not like it was in the past where the EM told Mesanna there are 20 drops. (I still think that some Ems give drops to friends)

With the new rares coming out each day in this game I would say 50 per event is fair.

 

[Archnight]

The counts were all done by myself and are all approximate numbers, if you wish to consult on something specific you can reach out as there have been mistakes. I usually consult a few collectors that were there and regularly do events, amount of people that attended, amount of bosses and the Guaranteed Gain System.

 

[Nails Warstein]

I personally feel the quantity cannot be accurately quantified since March of 2015 and so for that reason should be left blank or with a question mark. It is misleading to guess any range whatsover, and borderline dishonest to do so. I would not be opposed to a comment section being added to each wiki item where players can state their opinion as to why they believe a particular item is whatever quantity they believe it is for the examples you made on the item you are pointing out. Now its fair to say that the quantity has increased dramatically for most event items since March 2015 when certain shards started using two bosses. That would be a worthy comment to make on each item to guage greater numbers. In addition there are times a boss dies too quickly to give out anything, or sometimes 2 different items. So a comment section on each wiki rare would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Larisa]

I thought drops were in direct correlation to how many people were at the event, at least I think it should be that way.

I think in the past EM's were allowed to chose the number? But I have noticed the last few Origin event's I've been to the drop rate was extremely high. The head of Bora the Alchemist (I think that's what it's called) and the Blackthorn coronation sword both had at least 30 if not more. I don't go to other shards events so I can't speak for those but it's quite obvious just watching who spams gen chat right after the event and if you're in a discord channel it's pretty easy to get an approximate count but in no way is that accurate.

I was recently looking for an item I saw on display on someone's house and it's from season 16, says at least 30 dropped but I'll be damned if I can't find a single one other then the one I saw on display. If there are at least 30, where are they?

So I agree with Nails, the quantity should be left open...maybe the people that got them can post *I got one* and maybe do an approximation that way, with photo's of yourself with it, of course.

 

[Archnight]

I personally feel the quantity cannot be accurately quantified since March of 2015 and so for that reason should be left blank or with a question mark. It is misleading to guess any range whatsover, and borderline dishonest to do so. I would not be opposed to a comment section being added to each wiki item where players can state their opinion as to why they believe a particular item is whatever quantity they believe it is for the examples you made on the item you are pointing out. Now its fair to say that the quantity has increased dramatically for most event items since March 2015 when certain shards started using two bosses. That would be a worthy comment to make on each item to guage greater numbers. In addition there are times a boss dies too quickly to give out anything, or sometimes 2 different items. So a comment section on each wiki rare would be greatly appreciated.

I thought drops were in direct correlation to how many people were at the event, at least I think it should be that way.

I think in the past EM's were allowed to chose the number? But I have noticed the last few Origin event's I've been to the drop rate was extremely high. The head of Bora the Alchemist (I think that's what it's called) and the Blackthorn coronation sword both had at least 30 if not more. I don't go to other shards events so I can't speak for those but it's quite obvious just watching who spams gen chat right after the event and if you're in a discord channel it's pretty easy to get an approximate count but in no way is that accurate.

I was recently looking for an item I saw on display on someone's house and it's from season 16, says at least 30 dropped but I'll be damned if I can't find a single one other then the one I saw on display. If there are at least 30, where are they?

So I agree with Nails, the quantity should be left open...maybe the people that got them can post *I got one* and maybe do an approximation that way, with photo's of yourself with it, of course.

There's nothing dishonest about it and I do it for the community, totally unbiased as well as I don't really sell or trade these newer rares myself. I think most would like to know a rough count which is what I do, most is factored in but again I don't need to spend my time doing it if no one agrees to it... just feel like most would like to have an idea and that's what I do. As for the drops and amounts themselves, yeah they are that high and it's even confirmed by many that xfer them from other shards and sales history in-game/Stratics... biggest culprit is that Guaranteed System that pretty much gives you a drop every 3rd or 4th event as long as you have looting rights

 

[Lord Arm]

what burns me up is so many people spent so much time posting and updating event drops. the devs decided not to give em event drop numbers by changing drop to guaranteed drop system. i do thank everyone that updates all this info for the players. by not getting the info on drop numbers, it will be harder to identify any duping unless they are stupid.

 

[Sithas]

biggest culprit is that Guaranteed System that pretty much gives you a drop every 3rd or 4th event as long as you have looting rights

I have been testing this "guaranteed drop" system for along time now and that's another issue all in itself, I don't believe it works correctly. It doesnt seem to be by "account", as I have went 6 events in a row across all shards not getting one. It doesn't seem to be by "Shard" as I have been to 4 straight on a shard between 2 toons and no drop. Last thing I have been trying to test is it per "toon", we will find out this month hopefully as I have 2 shards with a toon on each that was been to 3 events each and no drop. yes all with looting rights.

 

[Promathia]

I have been testing this "guaranteed drop" system for along time now and that's another issue all in itself, I don't believe it works correctly. It doesnt seem to be by "account", as I have went 6 events in a row across all shards not getting one. It doesn't seem to be by "Shard" as I have been to 4 straight on a shard between 2 toons and no drop. Last thing I have been trying to test is it per "toon", we will find out this month hopefully as I have 2 shards with a toon on each that was been to 3 events each and no drop. yes all with looting rights.

100% its per character on an individual shard. Thats pretty much how everything in UO works.

It was never implied to it being account wide or spanning multiple shards.

 

[Sithas]

100% its per character on an individual shard. Thats pretty much how everything in UO works.

It was never implied to it being account wide or spanning multiple shards.

None of the Em's I've asked about this would give me a straight answer like they didnt know so I started my own data pool. We will see this month the final results.

 

[Theno]

Awww. All that speculation and "I know it all"... *sigh*. Top-notch Stratics.

 

[Silent Singer]

it will be harder to identify any duping unless they are stupid.

Bingo.

 

[Jason-]

I have gotten pretty clear answers about that part. Each character is its own individual in the guaranteed drop thing. If you go on a different character each time you are not benefiting from this system. You need 1 character per shard that you do events on. And you have to get looting rights. So you could go to 8 in a row but if you don't get looting rights but every other event then its going to take 8 to get a drop.

 

[Theno]

I have gotten pretty clear answers about that part. Each character is its own individual in the guaranteed drop thing. If you go on a different character each time you are not benefiting from this system. You need 1 character per shard that you do events on. And you have to get looting rights. So you could go to 8 in a row but if you don't get looting rights but every other event then its going to take 8 to get a drop.

Source? Link? Oh...

 

[ElIoT]

Source? Link? Oh...

There is no source or link.
Do enough events and you will come to the same conclusion.

I have gotten pretty clear answers about that part. Each character is its own individual in the guaranteed drop thing. If you go on a different character each time you are not benefiting from this system. You need 1 character per shard that you do events on. And you have to get looting rights. So you could go to 8 in a row but if you don't get looting rights but every other event then its going to take 8 to get a drop.

I have done the same testing and come to the same conclusion. This seems accurate in my opinion as well.

 

[Manticore]

I like this thread. So many unknowns. In that case, let's talk about what is known via evidenced based:

1. New drop, immediately you'll have people spamming in chat wanting to buy. There are no bases as to why buyers offer what they offer other than:
a. They didn't get it and want it so make as low of an offer as they can hoping someone would sell.
b. They didn't get it and want to buy it then resell it to make a profit so cost dollar average for the one they keep.
c. They didn't get it and want to buy it then resell strictly to make a profit.

2. Those professional event goers with multiple accounts who have multiple chars on every shard to maximize their chances and get the item/s.
a. These guys within a day or so sometimes on the same day will put it on their auction safe at a price they determine is sell-able to test the market. They operate in a pack so will generally agree on a selling price.
b. Prices will drop due to competition over time so depends on how bad the buyer wants to buy that item. They may pay more in the beginning to avoid the hassle down the road.

What does this all mean?
1. Items that were sought after will rise in value over time no matter the quantity. For example, Mushroom of Saara is worth a plat then is now worth 3 plat+ or Jade statue sets, latest offer for the set is 35 plat.

2. Items that weren't sought after may rise a little over time but those who spent a lot of money in the beginning will most likely take a loss if they want to sell it down the road.

3. Really old items with a more accurate count like pre 2015 will hold their value.

just my 2 cents

 

[Longtooths]

I think it be a good idea to have an impartial unbiased accounting of amounts posted or at the very least a disclaimer that it is merely a guess.

 

[Olcher]

I usually consult a few collectors that were there and regularly do events

As one of the longest standing rares collectors and consistent event go-ers, possibly only outdone by Manticore, I've never been contacted. None of the people I associate with (that are also long time rares collectors/event goers) have been contact by you.

There's nothing dishonest about it and I do it for the community, totally unbiased as well as I don't really sell or trade these newer rares myself

Cap.

How are these determined now??

Simple: someone who thinks they know what they're talking about is making **** up. Don't listen to it /thread

 

[Artorius]

My only thing is there is ZERO way to even guess how many dropped now. You might think 100 ppl were at the event but there could have been 200 total cause you can't see stacked ppl. And if just making up a number based on how many ppl are selling in chat doesn't work because the good drops everyone is gonna wait to sell til back on atl. And bad drops a lot of ppl will want to sell immediately, and some of the sellers will have multiple. Moral of my story is we have zero clue how to even guess on a number. Zero. Zilch. Even an educated guess is probably completely off on most drop numbers.

 

[Restless]

message I received 7 yrs ago when I tossed some ideas at Mesanna for some changes to the drop system... I never shared this message before because it says right in it to please not do so, but since this is the current system in place I feel it is ok now, and maybe will stop some people's speculations as to how the system works...



so it is character based. if you xfer that character then the additional chance for the character goes away

 

[Captn Norrington]

message I received 7 yrs ago when I tossed some ideas at Mesanna for some changes to the drop system... I never shared this message before because it says right in it to please not do so, but since this is the current system in place I feel it is ok now, and maybe will stop some people's speculations as to how the system works...

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so it is character based. if you xfer that character then the additional chance for the character goes away

Perfect example of the devs not understanding how people play. Nobody is transferring their event toons back and forth, they just use a different character.

Not surprised in the slightest that she was secretly giving info to certain people either….how on brand for her.

 

[Restless]

Perfect example of the devs not understanding how people play. Nobody is transferring their event toons back and forth, they just use a different character.

Not surprised in the slightest that she was secretly giving info to certain people either….how on brand for her.

i did respond to her message about the permanent shard characters most players use at events. As for the secret info, that is true that i felt uncomfortable with the requested secrecy of her response to my suggestions. I've had no other correspondence with her personally like this, but it very well may have happened with others.

 

[Promathia]

I believe the only thing that is new info from that is the fact xfering resets it. But good to have confirmation

 

[MeTheGreat]

If we're taking a vote, then my vote is that Rares quantities from the 2015 publish to present be shown as an unknown.

The counts were all done by myself and are all approximate numbers, if you wish to consult on something specific you can reach out as there have been mistakes. I usually consult a few collectors that were there and regularly do events, amount of people that attended, amount of bosses and the Guaranteed Gain System.

You cannot possibly calculate that quantity with any accuracy unless you had:

• the formula that is in the programming,
• an accurate head count of characters that received looting rights, and
• the looting right history of those characters on that shard.

Even then, it would need to be a probability.

If you believed that you could before, that is okay.

There's nothing dishonest about it and I do it for the community, totally unbiased as well as I don't really sell or trade these newer rares myself.

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You should go into politics, you're a natural.

 

[Larisa]

Yeah the *Home players having a home shard advantage* is the stupidest thing ever. Those *extra* drops go right to the off-sharders and should be removed only because it's mainly the off-sharders that have multiple chars at an event. Let them have the same chance as everyone else, not a BETTER chance. I think that if there was a way to somehow figure out the amount of time a character has logged into that particular shard and base it off that then you'd know who really LIVED on a shard and who just has an event character that lives out of their bank.

I see nothing wrong with making an event character on every shard, but they should have the same chance as everyone else so just eliminate the *Home shard* drops and make it even.

 

[Manticore]

Don't forget there are 2 ways a toon can get the drop and both requires you get looting rights or have done significant amount of healing to earn the credit for a drop:
1. You are part of the EM assigned drop typically 20 count, i.e. 10 drop per MOB but that's just my guess
2. You've earned enough credits for the guarantee drop.

Is it possible you get 2 drops at once by satisfying the 1st and 2nd conditions above? I don't know, at least it has never happened to me.

This thread is fun to read but trying to figure out the mechanics to gain an advantage is just wishful thinking. What will work?
1. Time and sweat like the multi shard event goers with fixed toons on each shard. That's an investment of gold/cash/time so hats off to them.
2. For rest of us, it's a little fun here and there, takes up part of our day, meet virtual friends, and have a good time. On occasion, get lucky on a drop.

 

[Promathia]

I think that if there was a way to somehow figure out the amount of time a character has logged into that particular shard

I mean....Most people I know have had their event characters on each shard for many years now. All you would be doing is hurting newer players or people who dont have the time to play much. In fact, I bet I have more total hours played on some shards than some of the "Home" people do.

 

[Restless]

Is it possible you get 2 drops at once by satisfying the 1st and 2nd conditions above? I don't know, at least it has never happened to me.

I have heard from a person that i trust that said he got 2 drops from a boss once, but i believe it was a glitch and wasn't supposed to happen. I can say it has never happened to me and i have gotten a good amount of drops over the years and i'm sure the odds would be in favor of this happening reasonably often if it was designed to happen.
One weird glitchy thing that has happened to me personally is that I got a drop by looting it off the corpse of the boss. This happened within the last 2 yrs, was definitely a pack drop for everyone else, and it was my own loot (not reverted corpse). I don't know why this occurred but imagine my surprise. Ever since then I always check the boss corpse right away. I normally always checked anyway for the loot, and then just to confirm i got looting rights once the Vile became the boss template with **** loot.

 

[Larisa]

Yeah I get that..but you have to see that the *home shard advantage* isn't really an advantage at all.

 

[Promathia]

Yeah I get that..but you have to see that the *home shard advantage* isn't really an advantage at all.

To be fair, Mesanna in that message never called it an advantage, just that it would help home shard players.

 

[Danpal]

[Selling] ***Archnight's Mega EM Thread: Includes Unique, IGM, Low Count, Server Births, Rubble and Much More!***

You should go into politics, you're a natural.

Just saying if you look at that thread most are older items not the new cookie cutter em items we get now. that has numbers listed besides the rubble.

 

[Promathia]

Just saying if you look at that thread most are older items not the new cookie cutter em items we get now. that has numbers listed besides the rubble.

Out of the 106 active listings ~41 of them are from the current system.

 

[Cinderella]

I have heard from a person that i trust that said he got 2 drops from a boss once, but i believe it was a glitch and wasn't supposed to happen. I can say it has never happened to me and i have gotten a good amount of drops over the years and i'm sure the odds would be in favor of this happening reasonably often if it was designed to happen.
One weird glitchy thing that has happened to me personally is that I got a drop by looting it off the corpse of the boss. This happened within the last 2 yrs, was definitely a pack drop for everyone else, and it was my own loot (not reverted corpse). I don't know why this occurred but imagine my surprise. Ever since then I always check the boss corpse right away. I normally always checked anyway for the loot, and then just to confirm i got looting rights once the Vile became the boss template with **** loot.

the only time I heard of there being multiples drop
was during the EM Events where we got the large gems
the more you killed, healed or rez
the more chances you had to get them.

Emerald Of The Rondorin Empire - Stratics Community Wiki

out of the 3 colors (glacial, green, & red)
I believe you could only get one of the glacial ones
(I know I got 3 of the green ones &
I think I got 5 of the red... lots of deaths
it was on a small island)

==========

there were no healers on that island
so we had to heal and rez each other.
I know Queen Mum got some just for rez people.

 

[Lord Arm]

havent seen multiple drops for a long time. since atl fishing pole drop, 5 drops per boss. events were so fun but now theres so many multis or solo chars that lag is a big issue. i did the event last night on atl where the blue corn legs dropped. for me i crashed and was sent to ter mur moongate. afew others joined me at the moongate lol. we couldnt get back in time so no chance at a drop. i dont think they will ever build up much of a player base when these things happen.

 

[Larisa]

That was more of a global event..and it was the dark blue one...the Sapphire Eye of Dungeon Doom that only dropped one. People complained about it so the next three events there were hundreds of drops.

 

[Artorius]

Yeah I get that..but you have to see that the *home shard advantage* isn't really an advantage at all.

It's literally not putting you at any sort of disadvantage over someone who has an event guy specifically for that shard. You literally have the same advantage. You should just be happy drops are much easier to get now a days. It's the fairest system to date.

 

[Sithas]

The counts were all done by myself and are all approximate numbers, if you wish to consult on something specific you can reach out as there have been mistakes. I usually consult a few collectors that were there and regularly do events, amount of people that attended, amount of bosses and the Guaranteed Gain System.

I gave u a perfect example to fix in my post. 20-25 tops.

 

[Jason-]

Source? Link? Oh...

I've asked EM's at the post event meet up and I have seen other people ask and get the same answer. Also I've been told that by people that understand this better than me. Also Restless has a message from Mesanna that says that exact thing. Also you're the coolest xoxo

 

[Danpal]

I gave u a perfect example to fix in my post. 20-25 tops.

It would just go back to how it was before where the same 20 to 25 control the rares market we already have the same few people control the Atl max house plot storage market. Do you not remember a few years ago only the same few people sold rare from the events and they where also 300mil and up

 

[Jason-]

It would just go back to how it was before where the same 20 to 25 control the rares market we already have the same few people control the Atl max house plot storage market. Do you not remember a few years ago only the same few people sold rare from the events and they where also 300mil and up

I would go back to that time myself. Unfortunately cheaters and greedy folks are just to smart. EM Events ---> IDOCS---> Housing Market. I'm so salty about it that I quit and just come around here to complain about it.

 

[Sithas]

The counts were all done by myself and are all approximate numbers, if you wish to consult on something specific you can reach out as there have been mistakes. I usually consult a few collectors that were there and regularly do events, amount of people that attended, amount of bosses and the Guaranteed Gain System.

Were you going to go back and fix the quantity of the example i made? 20-30

 

[Archnight]

Were you going to go back and fix the quantity of the example i made? 20-30

Best to reach me privately than keep asking in this thread, think with the backlash of the community and fact I'm no longer part of staff that I'm done doing the effort of adding any count now...