Popular champ spawns (Atlantic)

[wishdragon]

I posted this on the Atlantic forum as well, but this send a more active forum.

I'm starting to get active playing again, last time I was active there were folks at the dragon turtle spawn decently regularly, but now no one ever seems to be there.

Where are folks champing regularly now?

 

[Anon McDougle]

I posted this on the Atlantic forum as well, but this send a more active forum.

I'm starting to get active playing again, last time I was active there were folks at the dragon turtle spawn decently regularly, but now no one ever seems to be there.

Where are folks champing regularly now?

Are you looking for tram spawns? I don't think any of them done regularly

 

[wishdragon]

Are you looking for tram spawns? I don't think any of them done regularly

Yes, tram.

 

[Merlin]

You are more likely to find people doing the Illshenar champ spawns than Dragon Turtle or the others.

 

[gwen]

ATL quite often has people call for Humility spawn help.

 

[wishdragon]

Not sure I have heard anyone calling for help at spawns myself, but maybe I wasn't on at the right times. Sounds like I should get out of my comfort zone and use the global chat and ask if anyone is doing one.

Why do people prefer Ish spawns over turtle?

 

[Keven2002]

Turtle spawn is a PITA. It's takes forever to kill Dimetrosaurs / Allosaurus (level 4) and then the Dragon Turtle itself can be tough depending on how many people you have and what the skill level is / template is.

While the corpse loot is better there isn't any chance of a artifact level drop (like Lt. Sash from Semidar or stealth cloak from primeval lich); unless this has changed the only special drop you get is a dragon turtle egg which nobody uses anymore.

Simply put, the return on (time) investment isn't as good for the Dragon Turtle spawn.

 

[Draza]

There is a video of somone soloing roof with a bunch of dragon turtle hatchlings since they pop blue.

I once filled deceit with about 200 unicorns to do the same, let them handle the spawn for me. And if i get raided by reds lol

 

[Anon McDougle]

Tokuno has sleeping dragon my favorite

 

[Keven2002]

There is a video of somone soloing roof with a bunch of dragon turtle hatchlings since they pop blue.

I once filled deceit with about 200 unicorns to do the same, let them handle the spawn for me. And if i get raided by reds lol

Yea but the time/resources to do that versus the time to either find someone else to help with the roof or just solo it yourself isn't worth it.

 

[wishdragon]

I never minded turtle spawn myself, was challenging and had a good terrain to fight on. Some spawns are a pain just due to the terrain, and it is simple to get to if you don't have a ton of time.

I can see what you are saying with the loot.

Maybe they need to change the turtle hatchling to hatch with less stats and thus be trainable for tamers, make it an appealing pet option again. And add better artifacts to spawn.

 

[MalagAste]

Turtle spawn is a PITA. It's takes forever to kill Dimetrosaurs / Allosaurus (level 4) and then the Dragon Turtle itself can be tough depending on how many people you have and what the skill level is / template is.

While the corpse loot is better there isn't any chance of a artifact level drop (like Lt. Sash from Semidar or stealth cloak from primeval lich); unless this has changed the only special drop you get is a dragon turtle egg which nobody uses anymore.

Simply put, the return on (time) investment isn't as good for the Dragon Turtle spawn.

It's a PITA because people don't bring the right template... Honestly, I go with my trained Unicorn or a trained up Naja.... neither of which can be poisoned... on a mystic mage tamer in stone form... also can not be poisoned... so the Dimetrosaurs and no trouble at all ... the Allosaurus can take a bit but a good mystic thrower again in stone form can take these out pretty well... but you are right... there is nothing exciting to get from Turtle... no one wants the eggs... 99% of them are terrible... unlike the pirates and getting a slug... which are 100x better than any turtle you will ever get. Though you can get some recipe drops etc... it's meh.

 

[wishdragon]

I just ran to the humility spawn and there happened to be some folks there. Was fun, damn semidar is rough...

 

[Keven2002]

I just ran to the humility spawn and there happened to be some folks there. Was fun, damn semidar is rough...

Just make sure you are in female form (either using a female char or casting polymorph) and using the life balm reduces succubus life drain.

 

[Cupid]

It's a PITA because people don't bring the right template... Honestly, I go with my trained Unicorn or a trained up Naja.... neither of which can be poisoned... on a mystic mage tamer in stone form... also can not be poisoned... so the Dimetrosaurs and no trouble at all ... the Allosaurus can take a bit but a good mystic thrower again in stone form can take these out pretty well... but you are right... there is nothing exciting to get from Turtle... no one wants the eggs... 99% of them are terrible... unlike the pirates and getting a slug... which are 100x better than any turtle you will ever get. Though you can get some recipe drops etc... it's meh.

"unlike the pirates and getting a slug" What is this? Killed plenty of pirates.

 

[gwen]

"unlike the pirates and getting a slug" What is this? Killed plenty of pirates.

you kill beacons, you trade Mystic cargo for a triton statue

 

[MalagAste]

"unlike the pirates and getting a slug" What is this? Killed plenty of pirates.

Yes go kill beacons... turn your crates in to the fellow in Bucs... get yourself a Triton... (slug)... Far better pet than most others...

 

[mihali]

It's a PITA because people don't bring the right template... Honestly, I go with my trained Unicorn or a trained up Naja.... neither of which can be poisoned... on a mystic mage tamer in stone form... also can not be poisoned... so the Dimetrosaurs and no trouble at all ... the Allosaurus can take a bit but a good mystic thrower again in stone form can take these out pretty well... but you are right... there is nothing exciting to get from Turtle... no one wants the eggs... 99% of them are terrible... unlike the pirates and getting a slug... which are 100x better than any turtle you will ever get. Though you can get some recipe drops etc... it's meh.

The eggs from the Turtle, need upgrading. Make them more desirable. so people can play that nice spawn. Change the turtles that spawn from the eggs a 3-4 slot pet, and change their stats so not overpowered. Make them spawn something else i.e. different pet, new kind of Triton, or old kind of Triton

 

[MalagAste]

The eggs from the Turtle, need upgrading. Make them more desirable. so people can play that nice spawn. Change the turtles that spawn from the eggs a 3-4 slot pet, and change their stats so not overpowered. Make them spawn something else i.e. different pet, new kind of Triton, or old kind of Triton

Oh I agree... as well as I would suggest that since the poor Shadow Dragon can't use most of it's Necro skills, given once you tame it the thing can no longer raise the dead, can no longer cast a revenant, it already can't change form, can't vampiric embrace or anything else... that it should be a 3 slot dragon like a WW... there is no reason it should be 5 slots... it sucks. Even a Dread Spider isn't 5 slots it's 3... it also has necro... that ram is only 2 slots is it? Anyway ... that poor shadow Dragon is neat ... but no one uses it or ever will use it because it is lame. More lame than a Dragon Turtle... It's about as far from overpowered as it can get. Its stats are nowhere near a Greater Dragon... Honestly I see no reason why it shouldn't be able to at the very least raise the dead... Whatever lame reason it can't use Revenant is stupid as well but whatever it is what it is... it ought to be able to either use the spells it can before you tame it... or it should be then 3 slots.

 

[Pawain]

The eggs from the Turtle, need upgrading. Make them more desirable. so people can play that nice spawn. Change the turtles that spawn from the eggs a 3-4 slot pet, and change their stats so not overpowered. Make them spawn something else i.e. different pet, new kind of Triton, or old kind of Triton

They do 100% physical damage if I remember correctly. So if they were 2 slots they would be less or same as a lesser hiryu but not a mount so that would not make them desirable.

 

[Laura_Gold]

Dragon turtle hatchling is basically a greater dragon that can't fly.
The problem is that you can go to Destard and check out dozens of greater dragons before picking one to tame; you don't get that choice with a dragon turtle egg.
So... okay, you do the dragon turtle spawn scores of times to get one good dragon turtle hatchling? I'm not that kind of gambler, nor that hard up for a greater dragon equivalent that can't fly.

 

[Draza]

Oh I agree... as well as I would suggest that since the poor Shadow Dragon can't use most of it's Necro skills, given once you tame it the thing can no longer raise the dead, can no longer cast a revenant, it already can't change form, can't vampiric embrace or anything else... that it should be a 3 slot dragon like a WW... there is no reason it should be 5 slots... it sucks. Even a Dread Spider isn't 5 slots it's 3... it also has necro... that ram is only 2 slots is it? Anyway ... that poor shadow Dragon is neat ... but no one uses it or ever will use it because it is lame. More lame than a Dragon Turtle... It's about as far from overpowered as it can get. Its stats are nowhere near a Greater Dragon... Honestly I see no reason why it shouldn't be able to at the very least raise the dead... Whatever lame reason it can't use Revenant is stupid as well but whatever it is what it is... it ought to be able to either use the spells it can before you tame it... or it should be then 3 slots.

They have the highest base damage of any tameable, but shoukd be at least 4 slot pets.

 

[Draza]

Dragon turtle hatchling is basically a greater dragon that can't fly.
The problem is that you can go to Destard and check out dozens of greater dragons before picking one to tame; you don't get that choice with a dragon turtle egg.
So... okay, you do the dragon turtle spawn scores of times to get one good dragon turtle hatchling? I'm not that kind of gambler, nor that hard up for a greater dragon equivalent that can't fly.

And thats a reason they should also spawn as a 3 slot, non rideable, and are just non flying reskinned GD

 

[MalagAste]

They have the highest base damage of any tameable, but shoukd be at least 4 slot pets.

Base Damage... Have you trained one up and used it? They suck.

 

[mihali]

As it is now, the turtle spawn is hardly ever used for the reasons mentioned. Only real value items are the super rare III primers, frankly the boss drops lots of I and II primers, rare decent loot also, and the rare egg that is now defunct. They can start working on making these old spawns more desirable, without too much re-coding. Examples as mentioned above, also imagine having 2-3 or 5 "eggs" and trade to an NPC for something of some current value: A current day Triton for instance. Maybe make it so that the NPC that gives Dublunes, give Dublunes for Turtle egg. Try to match up the time needed to get an egg, and the rarity of that with it value for this. i.e. 2 eggs for 1 Triton? Or something. Otherwise allow a chance that the "egg" spawns something New, to add excitement to the game, maybe a new rideable at a chance percentage, or a chance at a III primer, or something usable nowdays.

 

[gwen]

They have the highest base damage of any tameable, but shoukd be at least 4 slot pets.

It has 1500 points wasted in Magery.
If you will be able to get them back and reassign, it will be really nice.
Unicorn will become OP, stygian drake, dread spider, GD and turtle will be used in game more (I hope)

This Magery removing item (which will give you your 1500 points back) will be nice reward for something you cannot script. Like killing all champs (including Bedlam and Abyss ones) or each ML Named monster. All in random order so cannot lead 20 "follow me" scripted toons Something like Humility Cloak quest is working.

 

[Draza]

Base Damage... Have you trained one up and used it? They suck.

Thats what i said, they shoukd at least be a 4 slot so that we can change what they spaen with. They have a higher base damage than what we can train, so i would love for a chiv ai one.

 

[drcossack]

As it is now, the turtle spawn is hardly ever used for the reasons mentioned. Only real value items are the super rare III primers, frankly the boss drops lots of I and II primers, rare decent loot also, and the rare egg that is now defunct. They can start working on making these old spawns more desirable, without too much re-coding. Examples as mentioned above, also imagine having 2-3 or 5 "eggs" and trade to an NPC for something of some current value: A current day Triton for instance. Maybe make it so that the NPC that gives Dublunes, give Dublunes for Turtle egg. Try to match up the time needed to get an egg, and the rarity of that with it value for this. i.e. 2 eggs for 1 Triton? Or something. Otherwise allow a chance that the "egg" spawns something New, to add excitement to the game, maybe a new rideable at a chance percentage, or a chance at a III primer, or something usable nowdays.

Level 3 primers aren't that rare unless you never do Fel spawns. Much better chance of one from those.

Thats what i said, they shoukd at least be a 4 slot so that we can change what they spaen with. They have a higher base damage than what we can train, so i would love for a chiv ai one.

Honestly, I'd love to see them allow the normal Dragon go to 5 slot. I found a "Legacy" Dragon on one of my Atlantic tamers a few days ago, that was 3 slot. So I decided to level it up, knowing it'd make a good Chiv/AI pet. Got it to 100%, trained it up, then tried to do it again only to realize I was locked out of advancing it further.

 

[Pawain]

Thats what i said, they shoukd at least be a 4 slot so that we can change what they spaen with. They have a higher base damage than what we can train, so i would love for a chiv ai one.

All pets can get the same base damage at each slot.

 

[Draza]

All pets can get the same base damage at each slot.

go tame a shadow dragon, lore it, and look. same with fire steeds. they have a higher damage number but lose it if you train the damage range up. you sir are wrong

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[Pawain]

go tame a shadow dragon, lore it, and look. same with fire steeds. they have a higher damage number but lose it if you train the damage range up. you sir are wrong

Show me a pic of something with more than 24 to 33.

Some pets have more than their slot. Such as a Cu. But all can have same at 5.

Or are you saying it's higher than 24 to 33 when they are wild.

 

[drcossack]

Show me a pic of something with more than 24 to 33.

Some pets have more than their slot. Such as a Cu. But all can have same at 5.

Or are you saying it's higher than 24 to 33 when they are wild.

There was no change in its base damage after the fact.

 

[Pawain]

There was no change in its base damage after the fact.

I have never tamed or lored one of those. Not a fan of flappies. I thought we were talking about dragon turtles.

 

[drcossack]

I have never tamed or lored one of those. Not a fan of flappies. I thought we were talking about dragon turtles.

Both Draza and Malagaste were talking about the Shadow Wyrm - go back and read their conversation. So I went down to Destard Level 2, tamed one, and checked its base damage/before after taming it - it spawned as a 5 slot pet much like the Greater Dragon/Dragon Turtle. If it did happen to spawn as a 4 slot pet (I do remember hearing at one point that Greater Dragons could, but it was exceedingly rare and they weren't very good. I never confirmed if it was true), you would likely not be able to do anything to its base damage - every other tameable pet that goes to 5 slot cannot go past 24-33 base damage from training.

 

[Pawain]

Both Draza and Malagaste were talking about the Shadow Wyrm - go back and read their conversation. So I went down to Destard Level 2, tamed one, and checked its base damage/before after taming it - it spawned as a 5 slot pet much like the Greater Dragon/Dragon Turtle. If it did happen to spawn as a 4 slot pet (I do remember hearing at one point that Greater Dragons could, but it was exceedingly rare and they weren't very good. I never confirmed if it was true), you would likely not be able to do anything to its base damage - every other tameable pet that goes to 5 slot cannot go past 24-33 base damage from training.

When the revamp came out, players wanted those to start lower so they could train them. They call them glass cannons. The strength is higher than any other pet besides the dragon wolf.

But I have never liked flappies so I only have the platinum/crimson ones.

 

[Draza]

And fire steeds spawn with damage range of 11-30, a higher end and lower end range than any other. 1 round of training and it goes to the standard.

Some pets use extremes in their calculations and they are weighted more than they should be(magic and eval, necro and ss)

Ideally, until they fix the AI for spellcasting pets, those weights should be halved.

 

[MalagAste]

When the revamp came out, players wanted those to start lower so they could train them. They call them glass cannons. The strength is higher than any other pet besides the dragon wolf.

But I have never liked flappies so I only have the platinum/crimson ones.

Base damage doesn't mean squat if the thing sucks... which it does... the fact that a VAST majority of the Necro spells a non-tamed Shadow wyrm can cast can not be used by the tamed version... so IMO if you are going to cripple the thing to oblivion and take away most of its power... even if you give it that measly 2 extra damage... (whoppdy dodah)... it still SUCKS... It can't cast a Revenant ... can't raise the dead... Hasn't got near the stats or power of a Triton, Greater Dragon, or those Frost Dragons... IMO it's stats and lack of being able to do much of anything does NOT in any way shape or form make it worthy to be a 5 slot pet... even if you manage to find one that is 4 slots you can't give it enough of anything to make it remotely useful...
I mean its not like you can have it doing AI or Chivy, if you give the thing those then it loses its necro... not that you could really anyways at 4 slots... as any 4 slot one would have the WORST damage and stats it could have... making it complete garbage.

I'm just saying that it shouldn't be 5 slots... It really isn't even on par with a WW and those are 3 slots. Not even close to being on Par with a CuSidhe... and THOSE are 3 slots.

 

[GarthGrey]

Still waiting for the Grizzled Mare to be made a 5 slot, which it more than deserves due to it's rarity (unpopularity). Devs never even acknowledged my request a long time ago. If I could only convince the Potion Vat players maybe they could then pass it on to Mesanna....sigh.

 

[Draza]

Still waiting for the Grizzled Mare to be made a 5 slot, which it more than deserves due to it's rarity (unpopularity). Devs never even acknowledged my request a long time ago. If I could only convince the Potion Vat players maybe they could then pass it on to Mesanna....sigh.

See now, i am a firm believer that every tameble/pet should get at least 1 round of training, and all pets should be able to be taken to 5 slots... including all the tiny birds

 

[Keven2002]

so IMO if you are going to cripple the thing to oblivion and take away most of its power.

Wait... are you talking about thieves or pets?

 

[Laura_Gold]

If it did happen to spawn as a 4 slot

Confirming. I've seen 4-slot greater dragons and dragon turtles.
They suck. One round of training isn't enough to compensate for their initial suckitude.

 

[mihali]

Wait... are you talking about thieves or pets?

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