So.... why were Gold Elementals Nerfed?

[Fridgster]

Been some time since I've been low on gold ingots so I went down to Blackthorns to farm some gold elementals. Noticed that they now only drop ore and 1 magic item. I know they used to drop more than that.... Was there a reasoning behind the nerf ever given?

 

[Kreskin]

Been some time since I've been low on gold ingots so I went down to Blackthorns to farm some gold elementals. Noticed that they now only drop ore and 1 magic item. I know they used to drop more than that.... Was there a reasoning behind the nerf ever given?

I noticed that too, not sure as to why

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[GarthGrey]

Still waiting for NPC escorting to get un-nerfed. Still not sure why they did it back then, unless it was because people were making too much money, which shouldn't apply now, and really didn't apply then.

 

[Fridgster]

I did some research and I think I know what happened. When Blackthorns opened there was a big uproar about someone farming the elementals endlessly for blackthorn drops.

I remeber when the doom drops was in effect they dropped the item counts on dark guardians as well (1 item per kill). I'm wondering if they nerfed the gold elementals to reduce their artifact drop rates and that some how drops their overall loot table. As soon as the doom event ended the item counts went back to normal on the dark guardians.

 

[ShriNayne]

Why do they always swing the nerf bat instead of tackling the actual problems with the game.... *sigh*

 

[MalagAste]

Because they want us to grind for hours on end and get nothing for it... and they want to encourage people to run scripts and bots because the average human is not capable of that sort of grind... they seem to want us to grow bored and disgusted...

For some reason, they believe it should take you a lifetime or more to get a good item. They seem to think that getting more than 1 item per event arch is wrong... They do not care or understand that most of us play to collect things... we enjoy getting stuff... they believe that if we get all the stuff we want in the game we will quit playing... which is wrong...

Take your pick all the arguments for making things nearly impossible to acquire are foolish. The only thing it's done is make folk less and less inclined to participate in things, grow frustrated quickly from putting in hours on end of work for no reward... and finally give up and quit out of boredom... frustration and the inability to get friends to do things...

I miss when UO was a community game and not a game all about greed and having to have "rare" stuff. Once upon a time the game seemed more about doing things with others than getting stuff... but now it's all about getting stuff they don't want us to get. Go figure.

 

[ShriNayne]

I miss when UO was a community game and not a game all about greed and having to have "rare" stuff. Once upon a time the game seemed more about doing things with others than getting stuff... but now it's all about getting stuff they don't want us to get. Go figure.

You hit that nail squarely on the head...

 

[MalagAste]

Let's take Doom for the best example... Doom had stuff that some folk used... but they put some of that stuff in better variety on VvV rewards and the old faction rewards... no one was wanting to do Doom but you could still take a guild down there and have a good time... So what do they do? They add new stuff to Doom that everyone wants... but then they make it so only Sampires can really do Doom anymore and get stuff... pushing everyone else away but the solo narcissistic players... and those who bot a script... Now try doing Doom with a guild or group and everyone gets killed over and over and no one gets anything but a pile of death robes... that's more fun, right?

Wrong. Everyone who was a Tamer had a great time doing the Roof... but then some crybaby whined about that now it's hard to find folk to do that anymore... certainly don't want anyone having fun doing that...

Blackthron's was fun... but now there are super captains that require special builds to kill and that tear pets apart to heal themselves... wouldn't want anyone getting anything there now would we???

Now all you see there are scripters sitting in the hellhound room for days on end... they got no problem gathering stuff... Hum...

I think you get the picture.

 

[Victim of Siege]

Let's take Doom for the best example... Doom had stuff that some folk used... but they put some of that stuff in better variety on VvV rewards and the old faction rewards... no one was wanting to do Doom but you could still take a guild down there and have a good time... So what do they do? They add new stuff to Doom that everyone wants... but then they make it so only Sampires can really do Doom anymore and get stuff... pushing everyone else away but the solo narcissistic players... and those who bot a script... Now try doing Doom with a guild or group and everyone gets killed over and over and no one gets anything but a pile of death robes... that's more fun, right?

Wrong. Everyone who was a Tamer had a great time doing the Roof... but then some crybaby whined about that now it's hard to find folk to do that anymore... certainly don't want anyone having fun doing that...

Blackthron's was fun... but now there are super captains that require special builds to kill and that tear pets apart to heal themselves... wouldn't want anyone getting anything there now would we???

Now all you see there are scripters sitting in the hellhound room for days on end... they got no problem gathering stuff... Hum...

I think you get the picture.

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

Let's take Doom for the best example... Doom had stuff that some folk used... but they put some of that stuff in better variety on VvV rewards and the old faction rewards... no one was wanting to do Doom but you could still take a guild down there and have a good time... So what do they do? They add new stuff to Doom that everyone wants... but then they make it so only Sampires can really do Doom anymore and get stuff... pushing everyone else away but the solo narcissistic players... and those who bot a script... Now try doing Doom with a guild or group and everyone gets killed over and over and no one gets anything but a pile of death robes... that's more fun, right?

Wrong. Everyone who was a Tamer had a great time doing the Roof... but then some crybaby whined about that now it's hard to find folk to do that anymore... certainly don't want anyone having fun doing that...

Blackthron's was fun... but now there are super captains that require special builds to kill and that tear pets apart to heal themselves... wouldn't want anyone getting anything there now would we???

Now all you see there are scripters sitting in the hellhound room for days on end... they got no problem gathering stuff... Hum...

I think you get the picture.

In regards to your posts Mal you are absolutely right. They swing the nerf bat with no regard, and make content ridiculous to get to thwart the “scripters” from ruining the game economy instead of actually devoting any time to stopping them.

However, I do notice an issue. This is not meant to be personal in any way but you and a lot of others use Stratics to complain about these topics. The devs rarely, if ever, come here. I don’t think I have ever seen you on the actual forums.
I complain there all the time and my voice is heard, even if I have to scream through a certain trolls uproar to make it heard.

Stratics is great as a resources but is no longer the best sounding board. Certain things have been said that they will not be touched, which sucks, but they have enough power to do so.

As I said, I’m not only saying this to you, but to a lot of people. And if you only wanna play a single template, that’s fine. But that comes with limitations. I know I cant take my sampire to solo the roof so I bring along a tamer for Ozy and hi ridiculous parry chance. Does it suck no one wants to play more diversely because the way they structured it? Yes. But I adapt because I’d rather enjoy playing. If you need someone to run stuff, give a holler. I’ll gladly buy a transfer token and build a toon to run with you.
But complaining only goes so far.


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[Caitlyn Snow]

And to the gold eleys, I’m afraid I’ve never really spawn them to hunt for ore. I’d much rather run my miner and just get it naturally. Seems to take less time with 105 mining and a few prospectors tools.

Blackthorns is easy enough to do with pure archer/thrower depending on the captain type. Sampire fares well except against magic users. Tamers work okay-ish on poisoning types as long as you can bring someone or another client with mysticism to spam cast Cleansing winds.

The only “easy mode” for that are Dragoons, which are a pain to build correctly but worth it if you are farming for drops.


Roof is still easy mode with Fiendish Calling. Juonar is really the only one that has gotten harder but as long as you can time it right to take down anything that casts wither quickly before it spams, you can escape relatively ok.

Sampire has it easy in roof until Ozymandias spawns. He has an ungodly parry chance that blocks everything. Using a bard secondary to provoke his spawn onto him or bringing a tamer or two will easily clean that up, while throwing in a few AI strikes with a Sampire in between.

Doom, yes is Sampire city. The spawn rate for the Dark Fathers per people needs to be squashed. It’s completely unnecessary to have 2 pop for every three people (sometimes higher ratio than that, don’t really research it). But if you take a Sampire it’s still about timing your moves correctly.


From what I’ve heard the biggest challenge for gamers in Doom is not being able to switch pets for different damage types (Fire does well except AH room). If they were to compromise with a hitching post then it would be ok, just need the right pet set and learning how to play it effectively.


There are ways to work around it. Yes some things would be a lot nicer to play in groups. But if that’s what is stopping you from playing, that ship sailed a long time ago when our population bottomed out. So you can learn about how to adapt,improvise,overcome ; or you can complain until the sun sets.

Just my two cents.


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[Fizzleton]

hmm... I think (concerning the gold eles) it has been this way for quite some time actually. They drop gold, golden ore, gems, items (one maybe, I don't know for sure) and specials like bard instruments, treasure maps etc. It's this way for years now, I think.
I use them also when I am down on gold ingots, easy way to get that type of ingots.

 

[MalagAste]

In regards to your posts Mal you are absolutely right. They swing the nerf bat with no regard, and make content ridiculous to get to thwart the “scripters” from ruining the game economy instead of actually devoting any time to stopping them.

However, I do notice an issue. This is not meant to be personal in any way but you and a lot of others use Stratics to complain about these topics. The devs rarely, if ever, come here. I don’t think I have ever seen you on the actual forums.
I complain there all the time and my voice is heard, even if I have to scream through a certain trolls uproar to make it heard.

Stratics is great as a resources but is no longer the best sounding board. Certain things have been said that they will not be touched, which sucks, but they have enough power to do so.

As I said, I’m not only saying this to you, but to a lot of people. And if you only wanna play a single template, that’s fine. But that comes with limitations. I know I cant take my sampire to solo the roof so I bring along a tamer for Ozy and hi ridiculous parry chance. Does it suck no one wants to play more diversely because the way they structured it? Yes. But I adapt because I’d rather enjoy playing. If you need someone to run stuff, give a holler. I’ll gladly buy a transfer token and build a toon to run with you.
But complaining only goes so far.


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I've tried playing a Sampire and I'll be honest I HATE IT... Absolutely HATE it... maybe it's the template i'm using maybe it's because I"m old but it totally peeves me to have my character just stand there and do nothing while 15 things are whacking at you and no macro I've found will fix it... bars don't update fast enough and when I try clicking on whatever is close to me I somehow manage to dismount even though I have "ignore actions on self" clicked... Nothing ticks me off more than to play a character who dies every 5 min for no reason at all but the game mechanics are ****... I don't need the constant reminder that it's buggy as hell...

As for posting on the "official" forums I vowed when they came out that you will never ever see me post there and I hold true to that. I will not ever post there... I don't care what they want I am totally disgusted that they link it to your account..... and I have zero intention of doing so.

If I have a real beef I know how to contact @Kyronix, @Bleak or @Mesanna... and trust me they hear it...

I have an archer I play a majority of the time and if I'm not on him I'm on one of my many many tamers... Sampires as far as I'm concerned should be REMOVED from the game. Period.

I know folk who post on the "official" forums and if I really want to answer someone or help another player there I'll ask one of them to please do so on my behalf... I do read those forums... I just will not post there.

 

[Fridgster]

And to the gold eleys, I’m afraid I’ve never really spawn them to hunt for ore. I’d much rather run my miner and just get it naturally. Seems to take less time with 105 mining and a few prospectors tools.

Dont know about that. I can gather 20-30k ingots an hour with my sampire (I swap anatomy with mining) and just smelt the ore on the forge in the room.

 

[Lythos-]

Because they want us to grind for hours on end and get nothing for it... and they want to encourage people to run scripts and bots because the average human is not capable of that sort of grind... they seem to want us to grow bored and disgusted...

For some reason, they believe it should take you a lifetime or more to get a good item. They seem to think that getting more than 1 item per event arch is wrong... They do not care or understand that most of us play to collect things... we enjoy getting stuff... they believe that if we get all the stuff we want in the game we will quit playing... which is wrong...

I have yet to get a useable armor item from anything other than roof/exodus. I look for a ton of people to quit when their suits burn out and they can't replace them.

 

[MalagAste]

I have yet to get a useable armor item from anything other than roof/exodus. I look for a ton of people to quit when their suits burn out and they can't replace them.

I've never seen a usable weapon ... I find splintering crap all the time but since I don't PvP they are all garbage to me... but I've never really found anything that I could use as a weapon... I find some slightly usable armor on occasion though rare... but find Jewels to have 1/2 to 2/3 what you need for either a warrior or a mage but it's always missing something vital that makes it just plain worthless. Like great looking mage jewels with NO FC or FCR... What mage would be without those??? Or Dexer Jewels missing HCI... no dexer would go without capped HCI...

 

[King Greg]

Dont know about that. I can gather 20-30k ingots an hour with my sampire (I swap anatomy with mining) and just smelt the ore on the forge in the room.

Look up the Price of gold ingots on Atlantic @ 20-30k an hour and you'll have the answer to why gold elementals were nerfed.

 

[Fridgster]

Look up the Price of gold ingots on Atlantic @ 20-30k an hour and you'll have the answer to why gold elementals were nerfed.

They didn't nerf the ingots. They didn't nerf the fact that they put a forge RIGHT FREAKING THERE to smelt it. Talk about making it easier for a scripter lol. Perhaps instead of nerfing the loot they could have made the forge unusable?

 

[chester rockwell]

I've tried playing a Sampire and I'll be honest I HATE IT... Absolutely HATE it... maybe it's the template i'm using maybe it's because I"m old but it totally peeves me to have my character just stand there and do nothing while 15 things are whacking at you and no macro I've found will fix it... bars don't update fast enough and when I try clicking on whatever is close to me I somehow manage to dismount even though I have "ignore actions on self" clicked... Nothing ticks me off more than to play a character who dies every 5 min for no reason at all but the game mechanics are ****... I don't need the constant reminder that it's buggy as hell...

As for posting on the "official" forums I vowed when they came out that you will never ever see me post there and I hold true to that. I will not ever post there... I don't care what they want I am totally disgusted that they link it to your account..... and I have zero intention of doing so.

If I have a real beef I know how to contact @Kyronix, @Bleak or @Mesanna... and trust me they hear it...

I have an archer I play a majority of the time and if I'm not on him I'm on one of my many many tamers... Sampires as far as I'm concerned should be REMOVED from the game. Period.

I know folk who post on the "official" forums and if I really want to answer someone or help another player there I'll ask one of them to please do so on my behalf... I do read those forums... I just will not post there.

If you need help setting macros up, I'm on atl and can give you a hand. I think that might be what's wrong with your sampire.

 

[MalagAste]

If you need help setting macros up, I'm on atl and can give you a hand. I think that might be what's wrong with your sampire.

I don't know I've had the macro set but I play in the EC... can't play in the CC ... but yeah 1/2 the time my character just stands there... doing nothing... and just irks me to no end.

 

[Laura_Gold]

> just stand there and do nothing while 15 things are whacking at you
There's a bug there. A thing has to actually HIT you to be considered a hostile, so if you're parrying everything as sampire does, using a "target nearest hostile" macro won't work.
I've seen this at the spawn in Eodon, although it's only eight things that are close enough to be doing the whacking *wink* You have to be in war mode and double click one of your opponents to start hitting back.
@Bleak please fix this

 

[MalagAste]

> just stand there and do nothing while 15 things are whacking at you
There's a bug there. A thing has to actually HIT you to be considered a hostile, so if you're parrying everything as sampire does, using a "target nearest hostile" macro won't work.
I've seen this at the spawn in Eodon, although it's only eight things that are close enough to be doing the whacking *wink* You have to be in war mode and double click one of your opponents to start hitting back.
@Bleak please fix this

This might explain why while surrounded by 10 things I'm targetting stuff halfway across the stinking room while using target nearest... And they most certainly seem hostile to me... each and every one of them...

 

[chester rockwell]

I know with this last patch, my targeting is all jacked up too. I made a post a few weeks ago, it's a problem. Something changed.

 

[King Greg]

They didn't nerf the ingots. They didn't nerf the fact that they put a forge RIGHT FREAKING THERE to smelt it. Talk about making it easier for a scripter lol. Perhaps instead of nerfing the loot they could have made the forge unusable?

Oh? I figured that's what they would of nerfed, nerfing the other items would be pointless.. But that sounds like something the developers would do.

 

[Fridgster]

Oh? I figured that's what they would of nerfed, nerfing the other items would be pointless.. But that sounds like something the developers would do.

I honestly can't imagine anyone buys golden ingots any longer. Which is unfortumate since gold 20 sbod(n) give pof and 20 sbod(x) give copper runics. Used to be a decent market for them.

 

[Fizzleton]

This might explain why while surrounded by 10 things I'm targetting stuff halfway across the stinking room while using target nearest... And they most certainly seem hostile to me... each and every one of them...

I play my samp in cc and have the following macro that works well: select nearest mobile - attack selected target

 

[MalagAste]

I play my samp in cc and have the following macro that works well: select nearest mobile - attack selected target

Sometimes that nearest Mobile is my swampy... I don't want to be killing that.

 

[Fizzleton]

ahh... that's right. forgot that.

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

@Mal I can send you a list of the macros I have for sampire so you can compare. I know you use EC but it gives you more options anyways (I use cc for performance on my old pc).

The hardest thing about sampire is getting the right armor and learning the timing of the macros.


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[Obsidian]

@Mal I can send you a list of the macros I have for sampire so you can compare. I know you use EC but it gives you more options anyways (I use cc for performance on my old pc).

The hardest thing about sampire is getting the right armor and learning the timing of the macros.

This might help you... Sampire Macros?