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Idea for a Gold Sink

uokings7

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If they want to get some gold out of the game, give people the option to upgrade their 18x18 plots to keep size storage for 300m or castle size storage for 500m. Could also throw towers in that deal.

Edit: It doesn't even have to be that much storage, just a sizeable upgrade.
 

Dorset

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
 

uokings7

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
They put that exact system in Shroud of the Avatar. It's doable. The bigger size your house is, the more you pay in taxes. Like 200g per day for 7x7 to 1000g a day for 18x18s. Then like 1500g a day for castles and keeps. Would also open up some much needed space on crowded shards.
 

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@uokings7 - Like you said, it could free up those housing spots for active players. I am a guilty party on this front.
 

Danpal

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
I would close my accounts and never log on if that happend.

Why do people think that all castle or keep owers are rich?
I been playing the game for 16 years from 97 to 2003 then 2008 to 2018. I did not get my castle until 2014 and yes its on Alt. The most gold i have had was 750mil and that was for the down payment on the castle. Right now on my 2 accounts i have about 15 million if that.

I only get to play a few hours a week if that so i should be penalized becasue i cant play 23 hrs a day becasue i have 3 jobs two kids and a wife to support. I would close my accounts then. I been thinking of it just to save the 30 dollars a month that would push me over to do it.

We should also jack up the price on stable frees to a mil a pet a day would that make you all happy. And jumpbup insurance on items to a million for each item. That make you happy to.

Heres the best idea there is you pay the monthly fee plus for every hour of game play it costs you a million gold.

You do know on alt if a castle falls one is never replaced right a way. Only smaller homes that are sold for a plat each then a castle is placed.


I would drop my castle my self and just keep a 7x7 there as long as my gold lasted so no one would have that spot
 

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Yeah I'm in the No group for fees on houses!

Honestly if they did that 75+ horses of mine would disappear from the lands and 14 accounts wouldn't be far behind.

I don't like to make threats like that that I'd cancel accounts but in this case I would. Most of the accounts that I have are from people that have either passed on or will never come back. I keep their accounts alive for the account history and as memorials. Many of those accounts I was told that if the subscription raise or if they add any burdens then close them.

Since this is a gold sink thread how about adding basements to buildings and price depends on size/lockdowns.
 

Dorset

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I would close my accounts and never log on if that happend.

Why do people think that all castle or keep owers are rich?
I been playing the game for 16 years from 97 to 2003 then 2008 to 2018. I did not get my castle until 2014 and yes its on Alt. The most gold i have had was 750mil and that was for the down payment on the castle. Right now on my 2 accounts i have about 15 million if that.

I only get to play a few hours a week if that so i should be penalized becasue i cant play 23 hrs a day becasue i have 3 jobs two kids and a wife to support. I would close my accounts then. I been thinking of it just to save the 30 dollars a month that would push me over to do it.

We should also jack up the price on stable frees to a mil a pet a day would that make you all happy. And jumpbup insurance on items to a million for each item. That make you happy to.

Heres the best idea there is you pay the monthly fee plus for every hour of game play it costs you a million gold.

You do know on alt if a castle falls one is never replaced right a way. Only smaller homes that are sold for a plat each then a castle is placed.


I would drop my castle my self and just keep a 7x7 there as long as my gold lasted so no one would have that spot



@Danpal - Easy tiger. It was a suggestion on a topic. But congrats on a usual Stratics response, jump down someone's throat. Good one.

Who said anything being in the millions? Who said anything about castle owners being rich? You think you are the only one with a family and plays for a few hours here and there?? Join the club...…….

I think someone needs to go back to bed for a couple of hours.
 

Finley Grant

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
If you want the game dead go on... Because that's how you kill uo.

We are already paying a ****ing monthly fee.

I know now where those useless nerves and funny decisions come from.

The devs listen to people like you....

I am fully for usable gold sinks. Like OP said. Sell house increasement. Sell fancy vanity items. Sell em item replicas

Hell sell everything third party site sell but cheaper just to get them away.

Ideas like yours "pay extra for housing" bring idiots to idiotic ideas which result In stuff like a Halloween event running a month but needs more programming time and testing like a major expansion for a nerved item no one will use.
 

Danpal

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No gold sink will work there to much gold floating around.

In real life the government controls the money only prints out such and such at a time.

In the game gold just appers on monsters amd npc.

If you want to get the gold to stop then stop spawning it. Heck i killed a deer it had 100 gold on it.
 

Uvtha

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If they want to get some gold out of the game, give people the option to upgrade their 18x18 plots to keep size storage for 300m or castle size storage for 500m. Could also throw towers in that deal.

Edit: It doesn't even have to be that much storage, just a sizeable upgrade.
I've wanted this to be an option for a really long time. There have been dozens of times where I wanted to place a small house in a cool spot, but wished I could have the regular storage.
 

Dorset

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If you want the game dead go on... Because that's how you kill uo.

We are already paying a ****ing monthly fee.

I know now where those useless nerves and funny decisions come from.

The devs listen to people like you....

I am fully for usable gold sinks. Like OP said. Sell house increasement. Sell fancy vanity items. Sell em item replicas

Hell sell everything third party site sell but cheaper just to get them away.

Ideas like yours "pay extra for housing" bring idiots to idiotic ideas which result In stuff like a Halloween event running a month but needs more programming time and testing like a major expansion for a nerved item no one will use.


@Finley Grant - Lovely response as expected.

People like me? People like me encourage friends and old players I've met along the way to come back and play the game. People like me offer help to any new/returning player I meet in game. People like me when asked about anything gaming, always relate to UO and explain what a great and unique game it is. People like me have been paying to play this game for nearly 20 years, so I am allowed to voice a suggestion weather you agree or not.

Just because its a suggestion you do not agree with, does not mean its useless or idiotic. But hey lets go hurl insults at people, make yourself feel ultra ultra special for 2 minutes - Good one.

As funny decisions go? I do not think I have the strength in my fingers to type the amount of these that have come into play over the years.
UO has always bowed down to those who shout the loudest, I am not one, I read here and play the game.

As far as killing the game goes, far more has already been done than a little gold to maintain a house. You honestly think when people come here and read these types of responses its "encouraging" to the game? Think closer to home for how the game is being killed.
 

Lord Frodo

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
Lets just encourage more gold farming/scripting so we can pay or monthly rent, oh wait we already do, it is called a subscription. Oh buy the way this is not RL it is an online game, stupid ideas make people close accounts, try again.
 

Lord Frodo

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A reasonable gold sink with housing would be to have a monthly maintenance amount per size plot/house.

We all know in RL what it costs to maintain a property. Also keeps people active and hunting to keep the coin coming in.
Yes please do this, help support your local gold sellers.
 

uokings7

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Lets just encourage more gold farming/scripting so we can pay or monthly rent, oh wait we already do, it is called a subscription. Oh buy the way this is not RL it is an online game, stupid ideas make people close accounts, try again.
This system is in place in most games with housing. It's not a new idea nor a game killer. It works out to 30k a month for an 18x18. That's not asking a lot. Nobody is going to buy duped gold to pay for that. If you have 45 houses, that's a complete rarity and you would be affected. But most players wouldn't and it would work toward the goal we're looking for. Also, if you have 45 houses, you really need to give up some of that space to other players. That's absolutely ridiculous. What are you doing with 45 houses?
 

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This system is in place in most games with housing. It's not a new idea nor a game killer. It works out to 30k a month for an 18x18. That's not asking a lot. Nobody is going to buy duped gold to pay for that. If you have 45 houses, that's a complete rarity and you would be affected. But most players wouldn't and it would work toward the goal we're looking for. Also, if you have 45 houses, you really need to give up some of that space to other players. That's absolutely ridiculous. What are you doing with 45 houses?
She said 75 horses..I hope she actually meant horses and not houses..I would like to know how 14 accounts control 75 houses.
 

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She said 75 horses..I hope she actually meant horses and not houses..I would like to know how 14 accounts control 75 houses.
Play the paying once every 3 months game, and the equivalent of 14 accounts of cash gets you 42 houses. Now double it because you can have 1 production and 1 Siege/Mugen house per account = 84 potential houses for the monetary equivalent of 14 full-time paid accounts, which is the money UO would lose if all those accounts were closed. Technically could add another 42 houses for test shard too, and even more for grandfathered houses that don't count. Not sure if that's what's happening, but yeah it's possible to get up to 126+ houses for the price of 14 fully paid accounts. Plus being able to buy gametime codes for half price with that other loophole of changing the location to Mexico or something where the currency exchange rate makes it cheaper. UO housing is a really easily exploitable system, yet somehow this is all fully legal and breaks no rules.
 

Lady Michelle

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This system is in place in most games with housing. It's not a new idea nor a game killer. It works out to 30k a month for an 18x18. That's not asking a lot. Nobody is going to buy duped gold to pay for that. If you have 45 houses, that's a complete rarity and you would be affected. But most players wouldn't and it would work toward the goal we're looking for. Also, if you have 45 houses, you really need to give up some of that space to other players. That's absolutely ridiculous. What are you doing with 45 houses?
I would rather throw my gold into the trash barrel than pay taxes on something I already spend real cash on every 6 months. least throwing it in the trash I'd get points. (1,000= 10pts)
Who cares how many accounts or houses someone has if they want to spend their money keeping uo going its their business not mine or anyone elses.
I like to thank them all for helping keep my uo dream alive. Thank you all.
 

Lord Frodo

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This system is in place in most games with housing. It's not a new idea nor a game killer. It works out to 30k a month for an 18x18. That's not asking a lot. Nobody is going to buy duped gold to pay for that. If you have 45 houses, that's a complete rarity and you would be affected. But most players wouldn't and it would work toward the goal we're looking for. Also, if you have 45 houses, you really need to give up some of that space to other players. That's absolutely ridiculous. What are you doing with 45 houses?
Those would be games that let you rent houses and you know that from the get go. UO we own our houses and we have for 20+ years. What are you the housing police telling people how many homes they can own now. How do you know how much it would be do you own a UO Crystal ball that tells you. How many homes does it take to get rid of 1 trillion gold only about 33,333,333.33333333 That is one good gold sink,not. Please list all those games that has housing like UO, ZERO.
 

uokings7

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I would rather throw my gold into the trash barrel than pay taxes on something I already spend real cash on every 6 months. least throwing it in the trash I'd get points. (1,000= 10pts)
Who cares how many accounts or houses someone has if they want to spend their money keeping uo going its their business not mine or anyone elses.
I like to thank them all for helping keep my uo dream alive. Thank you all.
Yeah, meanwhile the game goes under because of inflation and people buying duped gold and items. You have to put balance in the game somehow and doing nothing will make it worse and worse until there are no players left. A housing tax is a cheap, easy way to work on that without forcing players to buy gold from websites.
 

uokings7

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Those would be games that let you rent houses and you know that from the get go. UO we own our houses and we have for 20+ years. What are you the housing police telling people how many homes they can own now. How do you know how much it would be do you own a UO Crystal ball that tells you. How many homes does it take to get rid of 1 trillion gold only about 33,333,333.33333333 That is one good gold sink,not. Please list all those games that has housing like UO, ZERO.
Shroud of the avatar and asherons call. They both have housing taxes.
 

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Not sure why you guys are bringing up the subscription fee. All that does is allow you access to the game.

Within that game however things cost gold.
You want to buy an apple or a bag, the Provisioner charges you. You wanna use the stables, you pay a fee. You die, you pay insurance.
I see nothing wrong with paying taxes for the land you use. It doesn´t have to be an arm and a leg. Just a small fee per house that over time will add up.
 

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Yeah, meanwhile the game goes under because of inflation and people buying duped gold and items. You have to put balance in the game somehow and doing nothing will make it worse and worse until there are no players left. A housing tax is a cheap, easy way to work on that without forcing players to buy gold from websites.
its 21 years the game is still going WOW even without taxes go figure.
Sorry I'm not going to be penalized on a game I never cheated on because of some a**holes who do.
I would have to come out of retirement and start killing stuff again because my uo hubby won't have enough in his banks for me to steal when he's not looking.
 

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Not sure why you guys are bringing up the subscription fee. All that does is allow you access to the game.

Within that game however things cost gold.
You want to buy an apple or a bag, the Provisioner charges you. You wanna use the stables, you pay a fee. You die, you pay insurance.
I see nothing wrong with paying taxes for the land you use. It doesn´t have to be an arm and a leg. Just a small fee per house that over time will add up.
Aaaaannnnndddd playing Devils Advocate for Joe Blow super casual player (example ONLY):

Joe Blow thinks: "I don't play enough to gather the gold needed for the tax/rent/house fee. I haven't the time nor gear to handle places where I might get the cash, so I think I'll RMT for 100M or so and be done with it for a century."

Where's the gold sink?

P.S. - you know damn right well more than 1 or 2 players would do this to some extent.
 

Lady Michelle

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I would love it if the programers would come up with something that would reject duped checks from being put into banks.
stupper goes to bank to cash his checks message comes up your dupping days are over heres your check back
 

uokings7

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There are more options for this system as well. For example:

If you can't always log in to make sure it's paid, you can use credit which will be accumulated over time. The penalty could be something like you can't place vendors in the house, customize, or resize until it's paid.

It's not a bad system. Those who are saying they refuse to be penalized or they'll quit, yes you are overreacting. This isn't the end all be all to fix inflation and duping but it helps and would be a good step forward to start reducing that.
 

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The only gold sinks that I'd support are vanity mounts and items. On top of that, they need to do what Draconi did and create some burning effigies and delete the duped gold from the gold sellers.

You mean delete their own accounts along with their friends never going to happen
 

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There are more options for this system as well. For example:

If you can't always log in to make sure it's paid, you can use credit which will be accumulated over time. The penalty could be something like you can't place vendors in the house, customize, or resize until it's paid.

It's not a bad system. Those who are saying they refuse to be penalized or they'll quit, yes you are overreacting. This isn't the end all be all to fix inflation and duping but it helps and would be a good step forward to start reducing that.
You have no idea how bad this system would be in a 20 year old established game. This game survives because of housing and people not wanting to lose their pixel crack. I know people who have not played in 10 years... but still pay their account for housing and the contents inside. How many accounts do you want to lose? If it was a new game like shroud, then yes it could work. Implementing it now would be the death of uo.

Gold sinks should play to the ego of players. Vanity items and limited items.
 

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They have tried multiple time with gold sinks none of witch has helped much just a very little. Vender search, the collection for zoo and such along with clean up brit. None really worked.

If you want a gold sink open up a spot on malas where you can place a keep and castle at the cost of 5 plat for keep and 10 plat for castle. This will now become the rich area of game.
 

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Guys and gals I think the real question is what is the problem? Is it too much gold in game or is it too much illegally obtained gold?

Gold sinks are great ideas if you want to take some gold out of the game but if the problem is illegally obtained or even legally obtained for the purpose of selling on third party sites then none of these ideas work.

My point is: use the last idea castles and keeps on malas...yes it will remove gold from legitimate players but the sellers arent going to “lose” gold that can be converted to cash to buy a castle or keep. In addition legit players may be tempted to use those services so that they can finally own one.

I think many folks are looking at it from different sides and opinions differ on what the problem is or if there is even a problem.
 

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The only gold sinks that I'd support are vanity mounts and items. On top of that, they need to do what Draconi did and create some burning effigies and delete the duped gold from the gold sellers.
yes lets burn the stuppers gold and houses down
 

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She said 75 horses..I hope she actually meant horses and not houses..I would like to know how 14 accounts control 75 houses.
Haha I meant "houses!" That is too funny!
The 14 accounts are all old school accounts from the days you could have 5 houses per server. So a couple of them have 5 houses per account on Sonoma, 5 on Lake Superior, 5 on Yamato and a couple here and there. As I said above the accounts and houses serve as history and memorials from the previous players until the game ends.

Play the paying once every 3 months game,
That isn't me! All 14 of my accounts haven't missed a monthly subscription payment since the beginning!
 

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They have tried multiple time with gold sinks none of witch has helped much just a very little. Vender search, the collection for zoo and such along with clean up brit. None really worked.

If you want a gold sink open up a spot on malas where you can place a keep and castle at the cost of 5 plat for keep and 10 plat for castle. This will now become the rich area of game.
sorry but things like this support cheaters the stuppers etc. To be able to afford a place in malas players will buy their gold.
not a bad idea bought castles and keeps in malas if it was me I'd do what they did in new mag put up stones to bid on the plots then everyone has a legit chance
 

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Uhm, its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to late to implement "maintenance fees" on home ownership. The devs might have been able to get away with it shortly after the original series of changes to house ownership...but 21 years on? No. F that noise! Home ownership is covered by the subscription fee, an IRL "gold" sink.

Real gold sinks would be deco and vanity items that nobody needs to play/compete, but that confer a sense of status or leetness. I don't expect this to happen, however, as why charge gold when you can charge sovereigns? Why ask for a resource which means absolutely nothing (as far as EA is concerned) instead of one with a concrete ca$h value?

As much as I know the devs don't want to hear this (waves @Kyronix :devil:), but you can't create a REAL gold sink when you charge $ for 99% of your vanity items. Current gold sink items include city titles, tithing, taxidermy kits, mage armor conversion, Kotlan holo activation items, HS ships/dyes, fish pie spices, new castles/keep and the upcoming caddellite infused harvesting tools...I can't think of any others that are valid anymore.

Ideally, a separation needs to occur in the development and art cycle:
A) Normal content/update/rewards/fixes/etc.
B) Items for the $ store
C) Gold sink vanity and crafting shortcut items

Gold sink items can NEVER be P2W items (same with the sovereign store); doing that just breaks the game (fictionally/immersively and play-wise).

So when you think of a gold sink, think of an item that you wouldn't HAVE TO OWN to play(compete), but that you'd like because it'd look "cool."
 

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I do know of games where you pay rent for some of the housing/guild halls, but those games do not have a monthly subscription. I just don't see any point to gold sinks in UO when the RMT sites are probably selling duped gold anyway, if all the gold in the game was legal then it would be another matter, as it is it's pointless, they just make more.
 

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@Finley Grant - Lovely response as expected.

People like me? People like me encourage friends and old players I've met along the way to come back and play the game. People like me offer help to any new/returning player I meet in game. People like me when asked about anything gaming, always relate to UO and explain what a great and unique game it is. People like me have been paying to play this game for nearly 20 years, so I am allowed to voice a suggestion weather you agree or not.

Just because its a suggestion you do not agree with, does not mean its useless or idiotic. But hey lets go hurl insults at people, make yourself feel ultra ultra special for 2 minutes - Good one.

As funny decisions go? I do not think I have the strength in my fingers to type the amount of these that have come into play over the years.
UO has always bowed down to those who shout the loudest, I am not one, I read here and play the game.

As far as killing the game goes, far more has already been done than a little gold to maintain a house. You honestly think when people come here and read these types of responses its "encouraging" to the game? Think closer to home for how the game is being killed.
Yes people like you.

Ofc there is a difference between idiotic ideas and ideas I don't like.

I for sure used the word I wanted to use..
 

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Not sure why you guys are bringing up the subscription fee. All that does is allow you access to the game.

Within that game however things cost gold.
You want to buy an apple or a bag, the Provisioner charges you. You wanna use the stables, you pay a fee. You die, you pay insurance.
I see nothing wrong with paying taxes for the land you use. It doesn´t have to be an arm and a leg. Just a small fee per house that over time will add up.
Sorry but you are wrong here.

The subscription fee is me paying for house, storage and vet rewards and gifts

You don't need to pay for uo to enter the game.

A while ago I would have agreed but now we have endless**** so no paying is already a fee/tax for the mentioned features
 

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Suddenly charging people rent on houses they owned for up to 20 years would be ridiculous, please don't give them any silly ideas, we already pay monthly, if the game was totally free to play then some of these ideas would maybe work, but it's not going to happen. EA are only letting the game continue while it makes a profit.
 

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Why can't they just delete 50% (or whatever amount) of all gold in everyone's bank, vendors, and wall safes. That would fix the economy almost immediately. Everyone would have the same amount proportionally. The trick would be to do it without telling anyone so people don't have piles of gold laying around in boxes in their house.

They would still need to do something about RMT sites and gold sellers but that's really not hard either. You buy some gold and ban the account that you met up with to get it, then you do a chargeback on the credit card to make sure that the sellers don't get any money, the card company would most likely comply considering these sites are technically selling goods that do not belong to them. Too many chargebacks, and the credit card processors will start raising the sellers rates due to higher risk. That would put an element of fear into the sellers. If the sellers can't trust their customers their service will suffer, causing them to lose customers. Less customers == less $$$. The only reason these sites still exist is because they have gone unchecked for so long. If BS wanted to stop them they would have done this long ago. Personally, I am in the camp that BS has deals with these gold sellers and gets a percentage of their profits, since stopping it would be trivial.
 

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Why can't they just delete 50% (or whatever amount) of all gold in everyone's bank, vendors, and wall safes. That would fix the economy almost immediately. Everyone would have the same amount proportionally. The trick would be to do it without telling anyone so people don't have piles of gold laying around in boxes in their house.

*snip the rest*
If they do this a rich man stayed rich and a poor man gets poorer than before - super logical with nothing result sorry :)
 

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Just cap gold at 5 or 10 plat. Won't affect 99% of the players but the big RMT sites would have a lot more effort to manage liquid funds.

After all I don't think the amount of gold is the issue but rather the distribution of it after 20 years of no regulation at all.
 

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If they do this a rich man stayed rich and a poor man gets poorer than before
Ummm... yeah.... That's kinda the point. You can't just take away gold from the people that have it. That would be unfair, people would cry, maybe even quit. If they destroy 50% of gold across the board, the value of gold doubles. The rich man and the poor man both have essentially the same amount that they did before.
 

ShriNayne

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It seems that yet again changes were made that benefited cheaters more than the rest of us, removing cheques and introducing platinum only meant that they needed less space to store their huge fortunes...
 

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An economy - whether virtual or real - stands and goes with supply and demand of goods and services - and a lot more, but I am not an economic expert now - just a small market observer. But one thing is clear: personal urge to buy - whether real or virtual - usually arises from the desire to absolutely want something, and here on the psychological track often with fading out one's own reason the sale starts - and this usually most successful.

Now everyone here is talking about Goldsink. ;). What bothers me nowadays not only about this game but also in life extremely that there is no "healthy mediocrity" anymore. It is either always too much or too little > too much gold and too many wishes but also too few items and too little time. There will always be good and evil - Angels and Demons ;)

The economy in Ultima Online also lives and dies with the supply and demand for items and the gold I earn and spend in the game. If I have many items I can offer a lot, and if I have a lot of gold I can spend a lot. When my gold is gone, I am logically poor again and have to get new ones - here the question remains on which way I do it. Either I'm honest and get it from monsters or I'm tempted and buy it for hard dollars or EUR from various providers. I'd rather be the honest player and therefore know how much time it takes to get a single million with "high-money-loot-monsters" - even with peerless mini-bosses like Miasma or Lady Sabrix. Nobody can play non-stop - sometime I have to follow human needs;).

This game already costs enough gold and money and meanwhile by the whole moaning of a few above all also time. We didn't just know yesterday. People are knitted in such a way that you want to have a sense of achievement as quickly as possible - and I certainly won't get that if I have to spend hours banging on a single monster or if I'm confronted with a game machine that works with random principles > keyword here "grindfest". Time is money, you always say - but let's be honest - but with conditions like we have here at the moment - I can't get rich as an honest player. Either God or the mammon;). Everyone is responsible for their own actions - here everyone should ask themselves to what extent they themselves have contributed to this enormous gold deposit. Do millions always have to be the same for something - can't it just be "thousands or hundreds"?

I also miss the good measure of "mediocrity" when it comes to real, partly unrealistic ideas that come out of the producer's line here and which have already come up many times - even if one is really pissed off by good will: Do you really have to deliver so many things for collections just because you put the counters behind the decimal point before you even see something happening - examples here are the public collections at Moonglow Zoo, Vesper Museum or British Library. Do these high affectionate hitpoints always have to be numbers with the opponents in events or also with normal monsters in the dungeons - here e. g. Shame 5?

Last but not least: Do you really have to have every damn item in the game and show it to others behind often locked doors?

Maybe one should think about it first and foremost. Goldsink starts with us - not with others.
 
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