What is the point of the melee captains?

[Alex"Drake Iron Heart"CS]

This has to be addressed fairly quick @Mesanna
Do something to the melee weapon captains to make them be worth the time to do, as most people are only looking for the mages and healers and leaving the dexxers alone, then only ''enjoying'' a 10% of the new content of the invasion.
I recommend make the melee dexxers softer so they can be killed quicker or add more spawn rate to the mages, as basically now all towns are still invaded and no one is doing anything if it aint a mage or healer with the option to drop a mage book.
A nerf to the drop would not be advisable as then you would just make a select few much richer and powerful, maybe a bigger spawn of mages would make it fun for all again.
Also please look at the drop/loot rights, no point killing something for X time, to have someone at the end come and tickle it and gets a drop for doing nothing.

 

[R Traveler]

I can't imbue invasion weapons to add HLL for example.

 

[MalagAste]

How about making the archers and others have better weapon drops... And why in the Frell don't the Composite bows and Yumi's drop????? What the frell is up with that?

 

[afk]

In the entire time i have killed over 100 generals, way more captains and lower ranks, and have only seen 1 cast spells. I have ran around looking for the mages and healers and not found any, though i have got 3 spellbooks all from generals(non spell casting) with melee weapons. what does a mage or healer look like(every name says warrior that i have checked).

 

[Callise]

I would love to see these guys dialled back a notch. It takes my GD and me 1/2 to kill one. It gets really draining and REALLY boring.

 

[Jovi]

How about making the archers and others have better weapon drops... And why in the Frell don't the Composite bows and Yumi's drop????? What the frell is up with that?

Yeah maybe +50 splintering with Hit lightning 100, I am sure it will bring back the crowds 24/7. And add Cameo for Fey slayer for the Titan. This one is missing. It's 20th anniversary invasion, but the event doesn't seem to match.


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[Kylie Kinslayer]

In the entire time i have killed over 100 generals, way more captains and lower ranks, and have only seen 1 cast spells. I have ran around looking for the mages and healers and not found any, though i have got 3 spellbooks all from generals(non spell casting) with melee weapons. what does a mage or healer look like(every name says warrior that i have checked).

The mages are the ones casting spells.. the healers do not cast spells overheard but carry a staff.

 

[Khaelor]

This has to be addressed fairly quick @Mesanna
I recommend make the melee dexxers softer so they can be killed quicker or add more spawn rate to the mages, as basically now all towns are still invaded and no one is doing anything if it aint a mage or healer with the option to drop a mage book.
Also please look at the drop/loot rights, no point killing something for X time, to have someone at the end come and tickle it and gets a drop for doing nothing.

Looting rights, not all the captains and lower drop 100% of the time. In our experience, it's only generals who do. As for someone tickling a mob and getting looting rights, 3 drops.. If there was already three people there, they won't get something. If they didnt do enough damage, they won't get something.

I'm more worried about the fall off of participation with 2 weeks to go. I see the people do a circle for the mobs they want then leave. Not sure a drop in hit points of the generals would get them to stay.

Also forcing people to spend an hour running around getting 1-2 respawns at a time before the titan pops is ridiculous. Seriously.

 

[TB Cookie [W]]

This has to be addressed fairly quick @Mesanna
Do something to the melee weapon captains to make them be worth the time to do, as most people are only looking for the mages and healers and leaving the dexxers alone, then only ''enjoying'' a 10% of the new content of the invasion.
I recommend make the melee dexxers softer so they can be killed quicker or add more spawn rate to the mages, as basically now all towns are still invaded and no one is doing anything if it aint a mage or healer with the option to drop a mage book.
A nerf to the drop would not be advisable as then you would just make a select few much richer and powerful, maybe a bigger spawn of mages would make it fun for all again.
Also please look at the drop/loot rights, no point killing something for X time, to have someone at the end come and tickle it and gets a drop for doing nothing.

I completely agree with this.

I am currently seriously upset and disappointed at the way the Invasion is working.
So much so, I've quit my main shard to get away from it.
As much I would love the chance to be able to play to get this content, I can't be a part of this.

I have never yet seen a Mage/Staff General.
I have 1 book of my own, and 4 I traded with a friend.
I have about 100 weapons, people are now dropping these all over the place.
The first 5 minutes of an Invasion, the Book droppers are killed, and then it's up to the remainder of jolly good chaps and chappesses to clear it all up for no reason.
(I've been one of those...)

The Books are major major new content for Mages, I don't think the Devs realise how major they are.
It says something, the last time we had Invasions, the weapons and books were sought after.
They've beefed up both a little bit, the weapons are now pointless in todays game, whilst the books are really really desired for their stats.
This shows how little Mage equipment has moved since the last Invasion XX years ago.
The Devs need to take note.

SO, we have this major major content for Mages, and so little time to get it, and a huge bottleneck to get it.
This is not fair on the Mages under any circumstances.

As a Mage, I'm completely depressed and demotivated by all of this, I have given up.
Many will give up, this won't last the distance.
It's a really disappointing end to the Arc.
All I ask, is a fair chance to get rewarded for the effort I put in, this isn't happening.

So yes, change the way the loot distribution is happening.

 

[afk]

The mages are the ones casting spells.. the healers do not cast spells overheard but carry a staff.

only seen theone casting spells, however seen a couple with staff, and i have gone through entire spawns clicking on every human. considering that there seem to be several people who have dozens of spellbooks, my luck with the spawns that i am online for, must be really bad.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

If you open their paperdoll the healers say healer and mages say mages. Have not seen anything but the healers carrying the staff though.

 

[Khaelor]

The first 5 minutes of an Invasion, the Book droppers are killed, and then it's up to the remainder of jolly good chaps and chappesses to clear it all up for no reason.
(I've been one of those...)

For most cities/spawns they drop throughout the invasions until it gets near the end, then I don't see them too much. Some cities seem to have more than others though.

 

[Dot_Warner]

Their purpose: GRIND

 

[MalagAste]

The purpose is to give the script using multibots something to do...

Oh and more to sell to the rest of us so they can make $$$ selling Gold for RLM.

 

[railshot]

I'm more worried about the fall off of participation with 2 weeks to go. I see the people do a circle for the mobs they want then leave. Not sure a drop in hit points of the generals would get them to stay.

Also forcing people to spend an hour running around getting 1-2 respawns at a time before the titan pops is ridiculous. Seriously.

I think the time it takes the spawn is fine. With normal participation (the level we had before people figured out the mage thing) it's acceptable on most shards. However, people need to be given a reason to do the whole spawn. I suspect that the devs tried to give valuable rewards to all general mobs but missed the mark as often happens. While spell books are a welcome boost to bring casters closer to tamers and dexxers in effectiveness, the melee weapons are worthless. Instead of trying (and possibly failing again) to come up with a melee or archery weapon that is useful, how about giving warrior generals 50% chance to drop books. Give 10% chance to drop books to the Captains. Make it slayer books (there are only so many straight SDI books one needs). And now you gave people reason to kill the spawn.

 

[R Traveler]

Make them all drop random items.

 

[swroberts]

Screw the weapon drops, have all the melee generals drop a pagan potion that when applied to a weapon adds(or enhances) a one-time permanent overcapped mod and change the name of the weapon to "Pagan XXXX" . Now suddenly all the generals are interesting.

 

[Tyrath]

A spec drop worthwhile drop for getting looting rights on the Titans would motivate more folks to participate in killing all of the spawn instead of running sweeps of the town for the book droppers and dumping all the trash mobs on people actually fighting the invasion. Very annoying to already have a general a captain and a couple of Lts and the monster spawn pounding on you or a pet and then get it doubled. Or the nice person that comes by with a frost dragon in tow invisis beside you and runs away. Atleast the spawn pops back to its tethered location once it gets too far from it. Heck the spell books would be a good pack drop for killing the titans and getting loot rights.

Some of the weapons are worthwhile like the fast ones cleavers, butcher knives, daggers, Kamas etc. but would have been nice to see SSI as a property on the list. Can't see anyone using the slower weapons no matter how great the ssi and ML are.

 

[Tildi Daintree]

100% agreed.... More Mage Military.
All Military Mobs, have a ridiculous amount of Hit Points....
I am a casual player, am so sick of spending 15 mins killing a Lieutenant, Captain etc, to get a crappy weapon as a reward....
Maybe the Devs, need to "identify the Farmers", & let the more Casual Players, HAVE their FUN & put a limit on the Farmers?

Either this game is only geared toward UBER FARMERS.... (Thus Nerfing Casual players)
Or it is meant to be content for ALL Players?

Devs.... It really IS time to address this!

 

[TB Cookie [W]]

100% agreed.... More Mage Military.
All Military Mobs, have a ridiculous amount of Hit Points....
I am a casual player, am so sick of spending 15 mins killing a Lieutenant, Captain etc, to get a crappy weapon as a reward....
Maybe the Devs, need to "identify the Farmers", & let the more Casual Players, HAVE their FUN & put a limit on the Farmers?

Either this game is only geared toward UBER FARMERS.... (Thus Nerfing Casual players)
Or it is meant to be content for ALL Players?

Devs.... It really IS time to address this!

I've quit Invasions and all Events until they fix this.
Like you say, tired of all rewards going to negative playstyles.
Give me a shout when they have changed their policy.

 

[Khaelor]

All Military Mobs, have a ridiculous amount of Hit Points....
I am a casual player, am so sick of spending 15 mins killing a Lieutenant, Captain etc, to get a crappy weapon as a reward....

Either this game is only geared toward UBER FARMERS.... (Thus Nerfing Casual players)
Or it is meant to be content for ALL Players?

Devs.... It really IS time to address this!

I think the dev's did try to address this with the design by making 3 guaranteed drops if three people are attacking. That encourages people to.. work together to kill something. So something that might take 10 minutes to kill for 1 person becomes 3 minutes when they work together.

Least on my server, most people are more than happy to group up in groups of 2-3 people to kill off the spawn.

 

[Tyrath]

Least on my server, most people are more than happy to group up in groups of 2-3 people to kill off the spawn.

On the servers I have been doing the invasions on those groups of 2-3 tend to lead everything they can and invis beside you and your pet so they can farm the mages unmolested. LOL at one point last night I have 30+ mobs surrounding my beetle finally between my second account and 2 decent players attacking the the ring of critters everything was finally dead, while the spell book farmers made out like bandits. Then got pissed when I brought a bunch of crap beside them and invised and put the beetle on the mage after the mobs targeted them...... Then got to hear they were reporting me for luring. But dual clienting I did manage to get a nice beetle slayer and demon slayer spell book off that mage. and then was swamped with another ring of lured mobs again.

Finally said screw it and went to Origin where there is typically a nicer group of folks. And ended up with another ring of critters right off the bat but atleast not because of luring. I am impressed that my blue beetles can stand there tanking a full double circle and not require a lot of healing. Atleast in the Yew humanoid invasions.

 

[Planters]

I think ALL mobs should have a chance at all type of drops... the invasion would clear faster and be much nicer


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[Slayvite]

I'd just like to know what Mages are doing wearing non mage armour Platemail???......and where the hell is the FEMALE platemail!!!!!!

 

[Uvtha]

This has to be addressed fairly quick @Mesanna
Do something to the melee weapon captains to make them be worth the time to do, as most people are only looking for the mages and healers and leaving the dexxers alone, then only ''enjoying'' a 10% of the new content of the invasion.
I recommend make the melee dexxers softer so they can be killed quicker or add more spawn rate to the mages, as basically now all towns are still invaded and no one is doing anything if it aint a mage or healer with the option to drop a mage book.
A nerf to the drop would not be advisable as then you would just make a select few much richer and powerful, maybe a bigger spawn of mages would make it fun for all again.
Also please look at the drop/loot rights, no point killing something for X time, to have someone at the end come and tickle it and gets a drop for doing nothing.

Simply adding slayers and life leech to the drop pool and giving a potential of 5 properties and the weapons would be something I would work to get. Or even just Bane like the bows.

 

[Uvtha]

How about making the archers and others have better weapon drops... And why in the Frell don't the Composite bows and Yumi's drop????? What the frell is up with that?

The archers drops are actually something you can imbue into being useful. The warrior drops on the other hand... dookie.

 

[Uvtha]

In the entire time i have killed over 100 generals, way more captains and lower ranks, and have only seen 1 cast spells. I have ran around looking for the mages and healers and not found any, though i have got 3 spellbooks all from generals(non spell casting) with melee weapons. what does a mage or healer look like(every name says warrior that i have checked).

I have seen ONE dude with studded armor this whole time, and I've been spending time working these invasions most days. Never saw a blue caped guy. It's not because someone runs in and kills them either, I have been to spawns that just started, and I've never run into them.

I got a book on day one, but it was off a non caster.

 

[ShriNayne]

Yet again this wasn't properly thought through, so many people are only killing Generals and now only specific ones, everyone is obsessed with spellbooks... Why oh why did they not make it that everyone who killed x number of critters during the whole invasion got a random pack drop when the Titan died? People are pulling large groups of small mobs onto other players who are fighting the Generals and then going invisible. Even some people cast invis. on the Titan corpse! Do the Devs really have no idea about human nature?

 

[Slayvite]

Could also be said......where is the involvement for the Crafter char? Once again nothing for them.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Could also be said......where is the involvement for the Crafter char? Once again nothing for them.

Wasn't there a lot of folks just complaining about how it was stupid to need a tinker to make something for the arc?

 

[Slayvite]

Wasn't there a lot of folks just complaining about how it was stupid to need a tinker to make something for the arc?

Hehe, i wouldn't really class that as "involvement".

 

[MalagAste]

The archers drops are actually something you can imbue into being useful. The warrior drops on the other hand... dookie.

In what way??? What would you use a regular bow on? A crossbow or a Heavy????? Players??? What would be the point???? Damage in PvP is Capped it isn't like you are going to suddenly do more damage or something...

Weapons of choice in PvM are Composites with AI and Yumi .... again AI... You might hit something once in a great while with a good Mortal... but seriously... Bane would have to do a whole heck of a lot of massive damage which yeah... rather doubt it would out damage a good composite doing AI.

 

[Uvtha]

In what way??? What would you use a regular bow on? A crossbow or a Heavy????? Players??? What would be the point???? Damage in PvP is Capped it isn't like you are going to suddenly do more damage or something...

Weapons of choice in PvM are Composites with AI and Yumi .... again AI... You might hit something once in a great while with a good Mortal... but seriously... Bane would have to do a whole heck of a lot of massive damage which yeah... rather doubt it would out damage a good composite doing AI.

Well, it can potentially do good damage for zero mana. That's not nothing. I'm not saying they are the best, I'm just saying they are potentially useful, and at least have a mod you can't commonly get elsewhere. The melee weapons on the other hand don't offer anything superior to a imbued weapon. The over caps are nice, but they aren't enough.

 

[MalagAste]

Well, it can potentially do good damage for zero mana. That's not nothing. I'm not saying they are the best, I'm just saying they are potentially useful, and at least have a mod you can't commonly get elsewhere. The melee weapons on the other hand don't offer anything superior to a imbued weapon. The over caps are nice, but they aren't enough.

I don't disagree they are garbage... and half of them are crap no one would EVER use... I thought the Kryss might be ok maybe cleaver or the butchers knife... still fast still ok... but honestly I'd want splintering, hit something like harm, lightning etc... more than the 3 or 4 properties they have.

 

[Tyrath]

You mean a fast weapon like these? That is just what I have on me, I am hunting for my macer this morning , have cleavers, daggers, butcher knives etc all with 40%-75% hit effects harm, lightning, fire ball. Seriously they drop very regularly.

 

[BeaIank]

Pro-tip: If you disarm them when they are almost dead, you get no backpack drop, even though you get the message that an item was placed in your backpack.

 

[Tjalle]

Make the drops random.