Make Doom Great Again

[Gorath]

Premise of this thread is that Doom was actually fun content and Uo doesn't necessarily need to keep adding new encounters and items but can revisit old content that was introduced and make it fun to do.

They could probably revamp some of the monsters in Doom BUT they must make the loot relevant again with what is being dropped/available via other means. I updated the Doom Artifacts to actually doing the gauntlet appealing again by adding stats to items to make them competitive with what is out there.

It is kind of a lengthy read (comparing item stats etc) but I hope the Devs take notice of this. Why can't this be done??


Aegis Original

Self repair 5

Reflect phys 15

DCI 15

LMC 8

15 Phys

1st Fire



Updated Aegis

Self repair 5

Reflect phys 15

HCI 15

DCI 15

LMC 8

FC 1

15 Phys

1st Fire

Berserker’s Maul Original

75% SSI

50% DMG INC



Berserker’s Maul Updated

Self Repair 5

100% life leech

75% SSI

50% Lower Defense

50% Hit Lightning

25% Splintering Weapon

50% Damage increase



Breath of the Dead Original

25% hit harm

100% life leech

50% Dmg increase

5% sdi

Breath of the Dead Updated

+10 Necro

100% hit harm

100% life leech

30 SSI

50% DMG increase

10% SDI

Frostbringer Original

Dispel 50%

10 Regen 10

50% Damage increase

100% Cold

Frostbringer Updated

50% Lower Defense

100% Hit Velocity

10 Stamina Regen

10 Stamina Increase

40% SSI

50% Damage Increase

100% Cold

Holy Knight’s Breast Plate Original

10 HP Increase

Reflect Phys 15

35/3//2/3/2

Holy Knight’s Breast Plate Updated

10 Str

10 HP Increase

10 Dex
10 Stam Increase

4 Stamina Regen

4 Mana Regen

4 HP Regen

Reflect Phys 30%

DCI 15%

20/15/15/15/16

100% Lower Requirements



Leggings of Bane Original

Stamina Increase 8

HCI 20%

4/4/4/36/2

Leggings of Bane Updated

10 Dex

10 Stam increase

10 Mana increase

Poison Eater 20%

4 Stamina Regen

4 HP Regen

4 Mana Regen

20% HCI

15/15/15/25/10

Ring of the Elements Original

100 Luck

16 Fire

16 Energy

16 Cold

16 Poison

Ring of the Elements Updated

20 Fire Eater

20 Energy Eater

20 Cold Eater

20 Poison Eater

15 HCI

15 DCI

10% Each Resist

FC 1

Spirit of the Totem Original

20 Str

Reflect Phys 15

HCI 15

20/3/8/4/4

Spirit of the Totem Updated

Pick +20 from a list of skills

20 Str

10 HP increase

Reflects Phys 20

HCI 20

HP Regen 5

Stam Regen 4

20/15/15/15/15

Voice of the Fallen King Original

8 Str

5 HP Regen

3 Stam Regen

2/4/18/3/18

Voice of the Fallen King Updated

10 Str

10 HP Increase

5 HP Regen

5 Stam Regen

5 Mana Regen

10 DCI

8% LMC

10/10/15/10/15

Arcane Shield Original

Spell Chan

Night Sight

DCI 15

FC 1

1% Energy

Arcane Shield Updated

Spell Chan

2% Casting Focus

15% DCI

15% Reflect Phys

5% SDI

5% LMC

10 mana increase

FC 1



Blade of Insanity Original

Stam Leech 100%

Stam Regen 2

30 SSI

50% DMG Increase

Blade of Insanity Updated

100% Lightning

100% Harm

50% Lower Defense

FC 1

10 Stamina Regen

10 Stamina Increase

40% SSI

70% Damage Increase

Divine Countenance Original

Int 8

2 Mana Regen

15% Reflect Phys

8% LMC

0/6/9/4/25

Divine Countenance Updated

10 Int

10 Mana Increase

2% Casting Focus

4 Mana Regen

3 HP Regen

10% LMC

5 DCI

5/10/10/10/20

Gauntlets of Nobility Original

8 Str

100 Luck

20 DMG Increase

18/3/1/20/3

Gauntlets of Nobility Updated

10 Str

10 HP Increase

4 Stamina Regen

4 HP Regen

2 Mana Regen

8% LMC

15% Reflect Phys

10 HCI

20% Damage Increase

15/10/10/20/10

Hunter’s Headress Original

+20 Archery

8 Dex

Night Sight

15 HCI

2/6/23/1/7

Hunter’s Headress Updated

+20 Archery

10% Lower ammo Cost

10% LMC

10 Dex

10 Stam

2 Mana Regen

2 HP Regen

2 Stam Regen

15% HCI

10/10/20/10/10

Midnight Bracer’s Original

+20 Necro

10% SDI

23/3/4/2/4

Mage Armor

Midnight Bracer’s Updated

+20 Necro

10% SDI

FCR 3

Casting focus 2%

10% LRC

3 Mana Regen

3 HP Regen

20/10/10/10/10

Mage Armor

Ring of the Vile Original

8 Dex

Stam Regen 6

HCI 15

20% Poison Resist

Ring of the Vile Updated

10 Dex

10 Stam Increase

10% SSI

15% HCI

15%DCI

20% Damage Increase

FC 1

FCR 1

Staff of the Magi Original

Mage Weapon -0

Spell Chan

FC1

50% Damage Increase

100% Energy

Staff of the Magi Updated

Mage Weapon -0

Spell Chan

FC1

Balanced

5% SDI

5% LMC

5% LRC

5% DCI

10 Int

10 Mana Increase

3 Mana Regen

50% Damage Increase

100% Chaos Damage

Armor of Fortune Original

200 Luck

15 DCI

40 LRC

2/4/3/3/4

Armor of Fortune Updated

Click to Activate Luck Bonus (Shares CD w/Statue)

300 Luck

15 DCI

40 LRC

1 Mana Regen

5% LMC

8/8/8/8/8

Bone Crusher Original

50% Lower Defense

10 Str

75% Damage Increase

Bone Crusher Updated

+20 Tactics

50% Lower Defense

100% Lightning

10 Str

50% SSI

100% Damage Increase

FC 1

Fey Slayer

Dragon Slayer Original

Dragon Slayer

Luck 110

50% Dmg Increase

20 Fire Resist

UBWS

100% Energy Damage

Dragon Slayer Updated

Dragon Slayer

Luck 200

Hit Lightning 100%

100% Damage Increase

15% HCI

30% SSI

Fire Eater 25%

UBWS

100% Energy Damage

Hat of the Magi Original

8 Int

4 Mana Regen

10 SDI

5/9/20/20

Hat of the Magi Updated

3% Casting Focus

10 Int

10 Mana Increase

4 Mana Regen

2 HP Regen

10% SDI

10% LMC

10% LRC

0/15/15/15/20

Jackal’s Collar Original

15 Dex Bonus

2 HP Regen

5/23/17/3/2

Jackal’s Collar Updated

15 Dex

10 Stamina

3 HP Regen

5 HP increase

3 Stam Regen

3 Mana Regen

8% LMC

5% HCI

10/20/15/10/10

Ornament of the Magician Original

2 FC

3 FCR

10% LMC

20% LRC

15% Energy Resist

Ornament of the Magician Updated

+10 Magery

2 FC

3 FCR

3 Mana Regen

10% SDI

20% Enhance Potions

10% LMC

20% LRC

15% Energy Resist

Serpent’s Fang Original

Hit 100% Poison Area

15% HCI

50% Damage Increase

16% Poison Resist

25% Phys

75% Poison

Serpent’s Fang Updated

Unlimited Deadly Poison Charges

50% Lower Defense

75% Harm

20% SSI

50% Damage Increase

100% Poison

The Task Master Original

Hit Poison Area 100%

5 Dex

15% HCI

50% Damage Increase

The Task Master Updated

Self Repair 5

Hit Poison Area 100%

Hit Poison Strike 30%

10 dex increase

10 stamina increase

15% HCI

30% SSI

50% Damage Increase

Axe of the Heavens Original

50% Lightning

15% HCI

15% DCI

50% Damage Increase

Axe of the Heavens Updated

100% Lightning

10 Str

10 Dex

15% HCI

15% DCI

50% SSI

50% Lower Defense

75% Damage Increase

Bracelet of Health Original

5 HP Increase

HP Regen 10

Bracelet of Health Updated

10 Str

10 HP Increase

20% DCI

FC 1

HP Regen 10

The Dryad Bow Original

+10 Skill

Self Repair 5

50% SSI

35% DMG Increase

Poison Resist 15%

Dryad Bow Updated

+10 Archery

50% Velocity

50% Lightning

Balanced

50 SSI

50% Damage Increase

50% Lower Defense

10% Lower Ammo Cost

Helm of Insight Original

8 Int

15 Mana Increase

2 Mana Regen

8 LMC

5/3/2/3/17

Helm of Insight Updated

10 Int

25 Mana Increase

4 Mana Regen

10% LMC

5% HCI

5% DCI

10/10/10/10/15

Legacy of the Dread Lord Original

Spell Chan

FCR 3

30% SSI

50% Damage Increase

Legacy of the Dread Lord Updated

Spell Chan

Mage Wep -0

Balanced

FCR 3

5% Enhance Pots

5% SDI

30% SSI

50% Damage Increase





Ornate Crown of the Harrower Original

HP Regen 2

Stam Regen 3

25% Damage Increase

3/3/4/17/4





Ornate Crown of the Harrower Updated

10 Str

10 HP Increase

4 HP Regen

10 Stam Increase

10 Dex

4 Stam Regen

30% Damage Increase

5% HCI

10/10/10/20/10

Shadow Dancer’s Leggings Original

+20 Stealing

+20 Stealth

17/4/3/18/18

Shadow Dancer’s Leggings Updated

+20 Stealing

+20 Stealth

+20 Hiding

10 Dex

10 Stam

10 Stam Regen

5% LMC

5% DCI

15/10/15/10/15

 

[S_S]

You do realize that Staff of the Magi and Hat of the Magi have already been updated? And that Doom has been talked about quite a bit here recently about being updated by the Dev Team.

From the last Dev team newsletter:

We are beginning discussions for Publish 96 which includes an update to Dungeon Doom as well as continuing work on the Pet Revamp. Check out the sections below to learn more!

Doom Update
We are in the early stages of planning an update to Dungeon Doom that is slated for Publish 96. This will include an update to primarily the Gauntlet and the loot that can be obtained from the dungeon. We received a lot of positive feedback regarding using currently available Doom artifacts as ingredients in recipes for enhanced versions of those artifacts. We look forward to hearing your feedback on this concept as we move towards testing.

 

[Gorath]

You do realize that Staff of the Magi and Hat of the Magi have already been updated? And that Doom has been talked about quite a bit here recently about being updated by the Dev Team.

From the last Dev team newsletter:

We are beginning discussions for Publish 96 which includes an update to Dungeon Doom as well as continuing work on the Pet Revamp. Check out the sections below to learn more!

Doom Update
We are in the early stages of planning an update to Dungeon Doom that is slated for Publish 96. This will include an update to primarily the Gauntlet and the loot that can be obtained from the dungeon. We received a lot of positive feedback regarding using currently available Doom artifacts as ingredients in recipes for enhanced versions of those artifacts. We look forward to hearing your feedback on this concept as we move towards testing.

In all honestly, I had no idea but I am pretty behind all the stuff going on, kinda came back recently and just seemed like the loot lagged behind.

I don't think the recipes should be a thing, proper stats in the drops need to exist. Thanks for filling me in though, I am okay with the devs stealing some of my suggestions for item stats though

 

[Gorath]

I'll have to look for the newsletter. At the very least, if I gave them some ideas for artifact stats, that helps

I mean you consider what is out there as loot from monsters vs doom artifacts, doom artifacts need to be relevant again. I loved running Doom, and that updated way back where they had you collect points properly vs randomly rewarding people was fun but then items started to be better then what Doom could give minus the ornament/AoF but then the VVV items got better then the actual items which is silly as well.

 

[Ox AO]

At the very least, if I gave them some ideas for artifact stats, that helps

I mean you consider what is out there as loot from monsters vs doom artifacts, doom artifacts need to be relevant again. I loved running Doom, and that updated way back where they had you collect points properly vs randomly rewarding people was fun but then items started to be better then what Doom could give minus the ornament/AoF but then the VVV items got better then the actual items which is silly as well.

Don't ever apologies when you're right. Unless it's your wife.
The title was great

 

[drcossack]

Don't ever apologies when you're right. Unless it's your wife.
The title was great

If it's your wife, you're wrong anyway. Apology doesn't matter.

On-topic: Some of these are REALLY nice. However, Gargoyle versions are lacking.

 

[CovenantX]

Most of them "updated" versions look pretty solid, I like how most of the ones with extreme amounts of stat increase don't have LMC, so you wouldn't really get away with using them all.... but certain combinations.... or even just one could be worth building around.

The ornament has a little more than I think it should. Choices... it's what a "Sandbox game" is (should be) all about after all.

 

[Gorath]

Most of them "updated" versions look pretty solid, I like how most of the ones with extreme amounts of stat increase don't have LMC, so you wouldn't really get away with using them all.... but certain combinations.... or even just one could be worth building around.

The ornament has a little more than I think it should. Choices... it's what a "Sandbox game" is (should be) all about after all.

I tried to balance as best as I honestly could to make them appealing vs what drops out there. I didn't like that the VVV item (that you can literally sign up and get immediately) had better stats then what is available right now.

I accept that it may be a touch above what is acceptable though.

If it's your wife, you're wrong anyway. Apology doesn't matter.

On-topic: Some of these are REALLY nice. However, Gargoyle versions are lacking.

I didn't even take into account gargoyles. Sorry.

 

[CovenantX]

I tried to balance as best as I honestly could to make them appealing vs what drops out there. I didn't like that the VVV item (that you can literally sign up and get immediately) had better stats then what is available right now.

The devs thought that it would make the items attractive to pvpers by buffing the properties on them a little.... they ignored the ease of accessibility when implementing the Faction/VvV versions of doom artifacts.

I never agreed with them being "better" either. just making a version available without endlessly grinding would have been plenty for the pvpers during that time... now there are only a couple VvV items being used anymore... CC & Supernova potions are by far the most commonly used. the rest is not even comparable to mid to high-end corpse loot since the global loot changes.

 

[Gorath]

The devs thought that it would make the items attractive to pvpers by buffing the properties on them a little.... they ignored the ease of accessibility when implementing the Faction/VvV versions of doom artifacts.

I never agreed with them being "better" either. just making a version available without endlessly grinding would have been plenty for the pvpers during that time... now there are only a couple VvV items being used anymore... CC & Supernova potions are by far the most commonly used. the rest is not even comparable to mid to high-end corpse loot since the global loot changes.

In your opinion, what pushed the version of the orny I suggested over the top?

 

[CovenantX]

In your opinion, what pushed the version of the orny I suggested over the top?

the combination of +10 magery, SDI, 20 EP, & 10 SDI, I could see maybe 1-2 of them... the +3 MR is minimal.
No doubt I'd use the hell out of your updated version, (I still use the non- VvV orny on quite a few characters) 2/3 casting is what keeps it some-what relevant.

 

[Gorath]

the combination of +10 magery, SDI, 20 EP, & 10 SDI, I could see maybe 1-2 of them... the +3 MR is minimal.
No doubt I'd use the hell out of your updated version, (I still use the non- VvV orny on quite a few characters) 2/3 casting is what keeps it some-what relevant.

Drop the SDI then perhaps?

+10 Mage
20 Enhance Pots
3 Mana regen
2 FC
3 FCR
10 LMC
20 LRC
15 Energy

 

[CovenantX]

Drop the SDI then perhaps?

+10 Mage
20 Enhance Pots
3 Mana regen
2 FC
3 FCR
10 LMC
20 LRC
15 Energy

It be fine even as your original suggested version.

It just can't be "the best", the better it is, the harder it'll be to find something else to replace or even compete with it. Loot still needs a place in UO, currently out-dated artifacts (like most of the original arties you're "updating") are not used because of how much better loot is than it, Crafting is lagging behind, with the exception of Luck suits & non-splintering weapons.

 

[Gorath]

It be fine even as your original suggested version.

It just can't be "the best", the better it is, the harder it'll be to find something else to replace or even compete with it. Loot still needs a place in UO, currently out-dated artifacts (like most of the original arties you're "updating") are not used because of how much better loot is than it, Crafting is lagging behind, with the exception of Luck suits & non-splintering weapons.

We must restore balance!

 

[Gorath]

@Bleak

Anyway to get some attention from Devs to this?

 

[Kyronix]

As was reported in the last newsletter, a Doom Upgrade is in the works for Pub 96. We should have more information about the new artifacts up on UO.com tomorrow.

 

[DJ Diddles]

As was reported in the last newsletter, a Doom Upgrade is in the works for Pub 96. We should have more information about the new artifacts up on UO.com tomorrow.

Are the artifacts currently on TC1 the extent of the new artifacts? Or are there more to be added?

 

[arkiu]

@Kyronix that is the most exciting thing i've heard since the announcment of a new expansion early last year. Thaaaaaaanks and please keep rolling out new toys here and there after 96! Peerless/champ drops as well! Revolve that loot door my friend.

 

[randy]

This bone crusher thing cannot happen it will ruin pvp all these changes to uo will be for nothing. This makes pre nerf Waki and splinter look like nothing. Who ever had this idea has no idea what they are doing.

 

[cobb]

This bone crusher thing cannot happen it will ruin pvp all these changes to uo will be for nothing. This makes pre nerf Waki and splinter look like nothing. Who ever had this idea has no idea what they are doing.

This Bone Crusher is ridiculous and needs to be removed

 

[Gorath]

As was reported in the last newsletter, a Doom Upgrade is in the works for Pub 96. We should have more information about the new artifacts up on UO.com tomorrow.

Are they at least close to what I am posting here? The loot needs to be in line with what people can get elsewhere as drops or else there is no incentive to go to Doom. Please consider my item change suggestions. This kind of stuff would make people want to go down to Doom, I had a LOT of fun down there and your new point system made Doom awesome, now we need the loot to match.

 

[Dantes]

I really like the idea of having an Orny with 20% EP. I liked a few of your other artifact suggestions, and to be honest, with the intensity value of some of the loot that gets pulled now - I doubt any of the items you just theorized would be game breaking.

 

[Kyronix]

Are they at least close to what I am posting here? The loot needs to be in line with what people can get elsewhere as drops or else there is no incentive to go to Doom. Please consider my item change suggestions. This kind of stuff would make people want to go down to Doom, I had a LOT of fun down there and your new point system made Doom awesome, now we need the loot to match.

To put things in perspective, most revamped versions of Doom Artifacts that have been introduced have resulted in an intensity increase ranging from 150 - 900 points, with the average coming in around 350 points. With the latest group the increase range is approximately 90 - 837 with the average coming in around 400 points. This doesn't account for the new item properties since they don't have established intensity values, but gives you a rough idea of where we are.

With your suggestions (I only compared the 8 base artifacts we updated on TC1) the intensity increase ranges from 480 - 1280 with the average coming in around 900 points. With increases like that, there have to be some drawbacks like decreased durability or lifespan and negative item properties to balance them out.

As a player I want phat lootz just as much as the next guy, but finding the sweet spot between desirability while not completely going off the rails with power creep is why we are releasing these so early in the process. Thanks for the feedback!

 

[CovenantX]

With your suggestions (I only compared the 8 base artifacts we updated on TC1) the intensity increase ranges from 480 - 1280 with the average coming in around 1280 points. With increases like that, there have to be some drawbacks like decreased durability or lifespan and negative item properties to balance them out.

How is the average the same as the maximum? This should never happen, perhaps a typo.

 

[Kyronix]

How is the average the same as the maximum? This should never happen, perhaps a typo.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Looks fine to me!

 

[MalagAste]

To put things in perspective, most revamped versions of Doom Artifacts that have been introduced have resulted in an intensity increase ranging from 150 - 900 points, with the average coming in around 350 points. With the latest group the increase range is approximately 90 - 837 with the average coming in around 400 points. This doesn't account for the new item properties since they don't have established intensity values, but gives you a rough idea of where we are.

With your suggestions (I only compared the 8 base artifacts we updated on TC1) the intensity increase ranges from 480 - 1280 with the average coming in around 900 points. With increases like that, there have to be some drawbacks like decreased durability or lifespan and negative item properties to balance them out.

As a player I want phat lootz just as much as the next guy, but finding the sweet spot between desirability while not completely going off the rails with power creep is why we are releasing these so early in the process. Thanks for the feedback!

Can we please have Hit Mana Leech on the bow instead? Really that's a must mod on a bow along with SSI.

 

[SugarMMM]

I have never been to Doom on any of my 19 year accounts.

 

[Lug]

A Doom revamp has peaked my interest in UO again. Please put more effort into the new arties... Turtle loot and Roof blows away almost all of the "new" doom arties on test center. Please make the new Doom arties worth the time and effort.