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Who are Freja and why do she act like she do?

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FrejaSP

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I'm getting tired of this BS, even people in my own guild believe I should just be a sheep and follow the herd.

Sorry, that's not me. Take me as I am or leave me alone!
If that mean more are leaving TDO, so be it, I'm not going to bend over and be a "nice girl" who do as told.

I had been on this shard from the start and on Atlantic before that. I had always had friends on both sides, and there had always been some who told me I would get a bad name.

I know who I am and what I stand for and I'm not going to changes.

I love you all but stop telling me how I should play the game.
 

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I'm getting tired of this BS, even people in my own guild believe I should just be a sheep and follow the herd.

Sorry, that's not me. Take me as I am or leave me alone!
If that mean more are leaving TDO, so be it, I'm not going to bend over and be a "nice girl" who do as told.

I had been on this shard from the start and on Atlantic before that. I had always had friends on both sides, and there had always been some who told me I would get a bad name.

I know who I am and what I stand for and I'm not going to changes.

I love you all but stop telling me how I should play the game.
Accept the consequences of siding with pricks? You do what you feel is right, don't be upset when people disagree with you.
 

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Who is trying to change you, exactly? I don't see how anyone would have any capacity to directly effect your actions, or attitudes.
Do you read my PM's, ICQ's and follow me around in game? Else you can't know.
 

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I don't know, that's why I was asking. What are people threatening you with and to force you do do what?
Don't worried, the ones I made the post for know.
 

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Don't worried, the ones I made the post for know.
LMAO Talk about a DRAMA QUEEN. The only thing we have done here is disagree with you or say think about what you wish for and you come here with this BS. I guess you weren't getting enough attention, were you.
 

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LMAO Talk about a DRAMA QUEEN. The only thing we have done here is disagree with you or say think about what you wish for and you come here with this BS. I guess you weren't getting enough attention, were you.
It was not about what happen on the forum and sure not about you. It was about me, TDO and a few now ex TDO. It was not even about GIL. :p
 

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Well i can speak only for myself not for other people... Lady Michelle you hit the problem... I'm against cheating and these kinds of players but it seems if you speak bad about them you are a trammy or a GIL fans... Well i'm neither but i can't accept this is tolerated only because they add spices to the game. I'm for the fair game and i'll never be on their side.

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It's ok Magichands, we all have to make choices. You not a trammy, I know that. I'm sad I lost you but I just can't do what you ask me to do.
Good luck where you go.
 

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I would rather be a drama queen myself than be a cheating scum bag would uses illegal programs.
Hi Lady Michelle and Freja,

I am friends of both you, Freja, Gil and even some of the Hi5 members from years past. I feel the above statement sums up the issue people may be having. I like Freja support people to play the way they want to play and Siege allows for pking, taking over spawns, events, etc.

However when a group uses illegal third party programs, posts pics to prove they do and they defend the use of such programs to have an advantage over other people it crosses the line between legitment playstyle to cheating which translates to griefing.

Once that line is crossed and you can no longer support their playstyle without yourself being viewed as part of the problem. I absolutely support pvp guilds coming here to "take over the shard" and "enforcing their will on the populace" so long as they are playing within the same rules anyone who has an account in UO has agreed to play.

At this point what are the 5 people at Mythic going to do about it??

Its up to the Siege population to band together and put an end to it. I am not opposed to what Hi5 is doing, its the "how" they are doing it. You read these message boards more then anyone, you have seen the pics and seen them flat out admit it. Its not a individual issue its a Hi5 guild issue top to bottom.

I hope you can work with them to stop the nonsense and engage in legitiment play BUT working with them in game in any other way until that nonesense ends is going to put you at odds with almost everyone on the shard.

You and I are friends (I might be friends with some people in Hi5), both you and they know that I am uncompromising in some ways and I can work, support or associate with guilds/people that support that style of play. We can handle being at odds however make sure you are not just simply angry at the situation which looks to be putting you at odds with your own beliefs. Read their posts again, look at the pics and think about it on your own. Whatever decision you come to is your own but make sure it really is what you believe and support.

-Lore
 

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Hi Lady Michelle and Freja,

I am friends of both you, Freja, Gil and even some of the Hi5 members from years past. I feel the above statement sums up the issue people may be having. I like Freja support people to play the way they want to play and Siege allows for pking, taking over spawns, events, etc.

However when a group uses illegal third party programs, posts pics to prove they do and they defend the use of such programs to have an advantage over other people it crosses the line between legitment playstyle to cheating which translates to griefing.

Once that line is crossed and you can no longer support their playstyle without yourself being viewed as part of the problem. I absolutely support pvp guilds coming here to "take over the shard" and "enforcing their will on the populace" so long as they are playing within the same rules anyone who has an account in UO has agreed to play.

At this point what are the 5 people at Mythic going to do about it??

Its up to the Siege population to band together and put an end to it. I am not opposed to what Hi5 is doing, its the "how" they are doing it. You read these message boards more then anyone, you have seen the pics and seen them flat out admit it. Its not a individual issue its a Hi5 guild issue top to bottom.

I hope you can work with them to stop the nonsense and engage in legitiment play BUT working with them in game in any other way until that nonesense ends is going to put you at odds with almost everyone on the shard.

You and I are friends (I might be friends with some people in Hi5), both you and they know that I am uncompromising in some ways and I can work, support or associate with guilds/people that support that style of play. We can handle being at odds however make sure you are not just simply angry at the situation which looks to be putting you at odds with your own beliefs. Read their posts again, look at the pics and think about it on your own. Whatever decision you come to is your own but make sure it really is what you believe and support.

-Lore
I hear ya I don't have a problem with them being here, and don't have a problem with their playstyle, or anyones playstyle. I always stood up on these boards & defended anyones playstyle even pvp/pks.If I made it seem that way didn't mean to being TDO* I'm suppose to be neutral that is one Freja guild rules.
I know nothing will be done about the illegal programs,but I'm still against them alway have been for years this is my own belief no one elses(cheating scum bag would uses illegal programs. was not directed to just Hi5 members or all of them it was directed to anyone who cheats on any shard)
hope this cleared everything up for you
not against their playstyle or them being here, just against the programs..
 

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It was not about what happen on the forum and sure not about you. It was about me, TDO and a few now ex TDO. It was not even about GIL. :p
I admire your will to fight for a better Siege. I wish I had your energy.

I'm not going to say "don't change who you are", because no one has the right to tell you what to do.

I didn't tell you what you should do, in fact, I just left without saying anything. I'm not sure why you made that post instead of doing PM. In fact, I'm not even sure I was included in this post.

You always made it clear how TDO should stay neutral, which I really liked at the time because I wasn't much into politic and I had great RESPECT for a lot of people, from the Lawful Good of this world to the Pirates, and those we couldn't see.

As someone who don't PvP and chose Siege, I don't care that the new murderers of the season have arrived. The monsters are going to loot me more often that they will because, sadly for them, the land is just too vast and stealth is too powerful. Sure it looks easy when we offer them Sunday Target Practice. But I'm sure it won't take long before people change back their habits and make it more difficult for them to find targets.

I left TDO because I can't stay neutral and I'm so tired of the drama.

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I agree that the biggest mistake of this thread is bringing it to the public folks of Siege. Its none of our business what goes on inside a guild, and this definitely should have been handled in pms. Shame.
 

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I didn't tell you what you should do, in fact, I just left without saying anything. I'm not sure why you made that post instead of doing PM. In fact, I'm not even sure I was included in this post.
Zal I'm so sad to see you leave too, Mish will be too. You never told me to changes. Leaving a guild because you can't accept choices made of the guild leader is all fine. It was not about you, not at all. It was about Doc and Magichands demanding me to changes. They should just had left in peace and not told me I had to changes.
I'm the same one I had been the last 19 years of UO and so are TDO.

I agree that the biggest mistake of this thread is bringing it to the public folks of Siege. Its none of our business what goes on inside a guild, and this definitely should have been handled in pms. Shame.
Sometimes you have to be open about what goes on. You all need to know where I stand and what to expect from me.
 

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Freja i never told you to change... I just only ask you we can't stay with these cheating guys... But you take everything like a personal attack and i can't undestand why... I always respected you but this time you are very very wrong... Anyway it's my last post about this thing... We speak enough
 

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Zal I'm so sad to see you leave too, Mish will be too. You never told me to changes. Leaving a guild because you can't accept choices made of the guild leader is all fine. It was not about you, not at all. It was about Doc and Magichands demanding me to changes. They should just had left in peace and not told me I had to changes.
I'm the same one I had been the last 19 years of UO and so are TDO.


Sometimes you have to be open about what goes on. You all need to know where I stand and what to expect from me.
I am sorry but IT IS NOT OK to air your guilds dirty laundry out in the public and you are starting to alienate people because of it. I can not believe that this is all over TWO PEOPLE in your guild but yet others are jumping ship because of your actions, the way you handled things, maybe you should sit back and think about that.
 

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This post was also made to make it clear for the shard where TDO and I stand.
We are a neutral guild, had always been. We do not choose side, but if forced to choose, we will choose the dark side.

We do not cheat in any way, I would not allow that in TDO. I know some on the shard do and I do not like it, however I do understand it can be hard to give up this tools. The CC client is like a 20 years old car. It do have wiper pilot and electronic Windows, but not any of the features a new car do have. This is like CC vs EC. Some found out adding this features to CC together with some features non of us want.
I hope Devs will consider working with this tools makers, Maybe Tug about improve the good old UO Assist to allow the features already allowed in EC, that would make it easier for people to stop using illegal tools.

Long ago, 1998, I was hanging out at the road in East wood of Atlantic. I learned to know a lot reds, they was way better to fight than me. They learned me I needed healing, they told me about ICQ, they told me about UO Assist, that at that time was illegal. It had some really nice features, both to help with crafting and to help with healing with bandage without having to try to dbl click on bandages and then target myself. Just that little thing made a mega diff in PvP and I choose to use the tools, even when not legale so yes at that time I was cheating to be able to stay alive. Did not really kill anyone except in defense if very lucky.

It's about time to look at this tools and choose to allow a version, that do allow the fetures already allowed in EC

I do not know any of the tools out there as I had never tried them and do not dare to try them as I fear I won't be able to give them up again.

I'm not going to choose the side, who say, you can't play Siege if you use this tools. I do not see a problem with features already allowed in EC. I do want the fights to be fair but I would love to have a new legal car that looks like my good old car :)

I want more PvP on Siege and I believe HI5 like so many before them will choose to drop the worst tools and give people on Siege a fair fight. If cheat is needed to own Siege, they really do not own anything, no Victory to them :p.

Who are The Dark Outlaws and The Queen of the Outlaws?
If you read this info from our guildpage, it may help you understand us.

A little about us The Dark Outlaws [TDO*] is a role playing evil Guild, Freja started years ago it on Atlantic, then moved Drachenfels for better connection. Normal shards were not nice to evil role-players, stat loss and recall was not good for the role-play.
Then when Siege was up, we moved to here. Siege Perilous was our new home a few year, until Freja become a slave of UDL and later got the undead gift and become one of Myrkuls lords.

Myrkuls power on Siege is long gone and Freja got her freedom back, even when still a vampire and need blood to be active.

Freja and her sisters are looking for Outlaws, Brigands, Highwayman, Rogues and Vagrants to rebuild the guild. We need both role-playing PK's and peaceful Outlaws in our group to build a community.
The guild will also offer a home for miserable who get no help from King Blackthorn and the rich in the towns.

If you meet us on your way, it may pay off to offer us some money, armour, weapons, jewellery, resources that will help us take care of the miserable in our group. Even food may sometimes do the trick and save your life.

If you look wealthy we may expect a better tribute than from a poor travellers.
Now some outlaws are more aggressive than others, special our brigands may kill first and speak after. TDO do also have at least one vampire who just wants your blood.

If you are young or you are travelling without anything we want, don't fear us, even when you may die, it do not mean you will lose your items.
We do hope that you after meeting with us, do have a good feeling, and even if you lost your best stuff, do feel that this was different from the other times, when you meet brigands and other evils.

We are not doing this to ruin your game, but to try to play evil in a good way. If we can, we will rez you again, but not all of us can rez, so don't count on it. Yet we will be ready, to protect the rest of your stuff from looters, and/or keeping it while you rez. Don't fear to go back to us, when you do rez, we won't kill you again if you let us check your items before you start to pick them up.

See you around in east Brit, hope you will enjoy the meeting with us and visit our forest often for a little interacts.

Oh, you don't want to play our game, sorry, but we do play in same game, and if we ask you for money or your life, you must play with us in our game. You have a lot of choice, just use your head and try to make it to your game too. Pay, run, fight or speak, that's your choice.

Freja the Queen of the Outlaws

Rules:

It's all about share the fun and be willing to go red if you want to kill.
- Play good, Play bad, but show respect.
- Try to be tolerant of blues and reds.
- Try to bring the community forward - even if you offer some thrill by being a (respectful) PK.
- Do not bow to power, greed, status or vanity.
- Do not trash talk in GC.
- Play a crafter, a monster hunter, a fisher, a PvP-fighter and show respect to all these different playstyles - none is better than the other. And all are needed for the community to flowerish.
- Always help out newbs and show them the different paths of playing the game with respect, which does not mean to be peaceful and nice to everybody.

If you only want to kill players, on an easy way, and get their loot, this is not the guild for you. You will not get a lot of loot here, that is not the goal, the goal are interacting with others in a RP way.
But if you like to play with others feelings, like to scared players, as the cat play with the mouse, before it kills it, then we will be glad to see you here.

This game is fantasy, and the fear can be a good part of it, most players like to get scared, and they like to run from pk's, even when they not will admit it, but they hate to die and get dry looted. That the main reason, that some of us try to give our victims a choice to stay alive.

◦No Killing of newbies. It is ok to scare them a little, but not to kill them. Also, dont let them hand over all they have. They have a hard time as it is, special on SP with low money and skill gains. But if they act rude, killing are ok.

◦No killing without a word if you are a Highwayman. You must tell your victims why you attack and give them a choice: Live or Die. If you are a Brigand, you can attack without word, but if they run, then let them get away. Both highwaymen and brigands will had to go red/orange. Rogues can stay blue, if in thives guild. If you are in the hunter or the craftman group, you can stay blue, but you have to act with honor.

◦If you kill them, you must treat them with respect. after the kill, and dont loot, unless they act rude or start whining. A little RP looting is ok, that be gold, resources or something else not a part of the suit and not expensive.

◦No trash talk. You must act with style, and not like a jerk. Do not call your victims names, and laugh at them, don't rezz kill and don't horse kill without a good reason.

◦No anti or noto actions, we are an evil guild. Be free to rob red and grey as well as blue. but target red and grey to get free kill without going red is not ok

If you are a combat player, you must try to be master in one or more combat skill, but cheating and unattented macroing won't be accepted.

If you are craftman, you must be ready to trade items to the members to a fair price and trademen must be ready to sell/buy items for the guild.

Want to join?

All templates are welcome. We are looking for evil RP'ers as well as crafters, treasure hunters, monster killers.

Most of us live in the player town Safe Haven, see town info on this forum.

If you want to join us, you must care about your victim, it is not enough, that it is fun for you, this is a multiplayer game, and we don't want to make players quit, because they feel, that we ruin their game.

We do accept non combat players, trades, craftmen/women, but no whining if you get killed of some of oure victims.

You will be ronin for a month, then the leader team will vote for your future in TDO. There will always be a risk, that you can't stay with us if we don't feel you fit in.
To become Member you need to gain some respect from the members in TDO.

Ronin (First month):
NEW and joining dato (blue) = New on the shard
Renegade or wretched(Blue/maybe going red/orange)
Outlaw (Red/going red/orange)
pickpocket (blue in thieve guild) = Thief new to the guild

If this sound like you, try to hang out with TDO or meet us on the field. You can also post here and tell a little about your char and your play style and why you want to join. (When the Public wall get fixed)

Member titles will be something like this:
Highwayman/woman (red/orange)
Brigand (red/orange)
Outlaw (Red/going red/orange)
Rogue (blue in thieve guild/orange)
Gypsy (Blue/maybe going red/orange)
vagabond (blue) = Trusted but not very active in the guild
Crafter (blue)
Hunter (PvM) (blue)
Miserable (blue)
but more personly titles are allowed if they fit the RP
 
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LOL I'm a sheep in wolf clothing I'm a sheep that hides, and plays among the wolves.
Yes that's very much what TDO is :)

I hear ya I don't have a problem with them being here, and don't have a problem with their playstyle, or anyones playstyle. I always stood up on these boards & defended anyones playstyle even pvp/pks.If I made it seem that way didn't mean to being TDO* I'm suppose to be neutral that is one Freja guild rules.
Again this are so much TDO :)

I know nothing will be done about the illegal programs,but I'm still against them alway have been for years this is my own belief no one elses(cheating scum bag would uses illegal programs. was not directed to just Hi5 members or all of them it was directed to anyone who cheats on any shard)
HI5 can tell, I don't like that some of them are using this tools, as I had told them several times, that is not them but the tools, that win the fight and it should not be needed to own Siege.
 

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seems like you telling them wasn't all that successful...
I can only try. You all think, we just ignore them, do not trade with them, do not fight them, and they will go away.
It do not look like that will happen HI5 is growing fast and I hope some other VvV guilds are trying to make it here, maybe to fight HI5
They are enough to do PvM hunts for resources/artifacts/scrolls, they do have crafters who can support the guild.
I believe they are here to stay and I do not mind them here.
MyUO is very slow to update so a few new members are missing on the list.

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UUMMMM Somethin not right here with the numbers HI5 20 TDO 86 Why are you having a problem with HI5 when you have 4 times as many people, kick their butt off Siege if they bother you that much.
 

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UUMMMM Somethin not right here with the numbers HI5 20 TDO 86 Why are you having a problem with HI5 when you have 4 times as many people, kick their butt off Siege if they bother you that much.
First I have no problem with them, second I may have 86 members on list, but lots had not been on for long time. Why would I kick their butt, when I/we get along just fine with them. Yes I had lost a suit and I know Synbad lost one but think that's all unless someone did not tell me they lost something.

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I have never seen so much cheating accusations thrown around on stratics
You obviously haven't been on PVP threads it seems, but then again they usually get cleaned up or locked in the end lol :p

As far as the OP and the title "Who are Freja and why do she act like she do?", can't help but quote this line...
bend over and be a "nice girl" who do as told
Bahahaha, sorry I couldn't help it @FrejaSP hehe ;)
 

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Bahahaha, sorry I couldn't help it
Hehe, I was told I did bend over for HI5 and accept **** from them but facts is, it's the other side the try to make me do as they say. They may not tell me to bend over but it was their words, so I could not resist using them against them :p
 
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This thread isn't producing anything other than hard feelings, accusations, and a lot of drama that simply doesn't belong being aired out on the forums.
 
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