UO has implimented socialism?

[Ox AO]

This is a "forum" a place to present ideas and discuss them.

What fantasy land are you from?

 

[Lady CaT]

That is the point I'm trying to make Lady CaT. It's the fact that everyone immediately invalidated my opinion, but I'm not upset because I may never get my way. For the fact that I'm not even allowed to get to have a suggestion and use some sort of device to explain it without being deemed the minority and not worth listening to that I'm frustrated over. It's not that I have a beggar that I don't like the system, it's for a multitude of other reasons. I am not asking for a full overhaul of the system, I'm just talking about improvements. This is a "forum" a place to present ideas and discuss them. Being quickly called "anal-retentive" in my play style without even asking for clarification of my post is upsetting and narrow minded. Being told to "let the door hit me on the way out" is inflammatory and frustrating, especially for a game I've spent 14 years playing. It's simple fact that having a different opinion is so irritating to everyone here that you are shunned and deemed a worthless part of the community who should never post again that hurts and should be discouraged.

So back to the topic. I just simply suggest a checking account for each character. Is that so bad? I mean wouldn't that be easier than opening a second account or creating and managing spreadsheet? What's next? A tax season and I'll have the Britanian Royal Revenue Service at my door auditing each character's income and spending habits? "I see you bought three barrels of cure potions last week, but you already have Alchemy listed as a grandmastered skill. Why don't you explain to us what you were doing with all those curatives? I hear Nightshade has recently been legalized, but I should remind you that creating potions is explicitly prohibited for public manufacturing."

Eht

You might also spare yourself all the forum hate and send your game ideas/feedback directly to Broadsword for consideration. This is simply a player run website for players. Broadsword actually programs the game. You can contact them via UO.com.

 

[Uvtha]

Well, obviously this is a topic worth talking about since it has triggered quite a heated debate. I will admit that I say that the term "socialism" I use loosely. I will correct that by using the definition of communism which seems to fit: "A form of socialism that abolishes private ownership."

Well, not that it matters, but it's an issue of what the game seems as an individual. Obviously there is still private ownership.

I do not agree with Merlin's thought that I want the ENTIRE system changed, but that doesn't mean it cannot be IMPROVED. I can definitely see benefits to the way the system works now, but there are also problems I find for which I took this time to point out. Besides, since when have they left any system within this game alone and settled to always remain unchanged? The answer is never. I am just voicing my perspective and reasons why I find this bothersome. Furthermore, telling me that I just have to deal with it and I should be quiet is a sorry argument for any opinion.

You have to understand there is a skeleton dev crew, and the feature you are requesting is to satisfy a niche (to be generous) need. They simply have more important, more universal things to spend their time on, and something like this would be prettttty low on the to-do list. You don't have to be quit, but dealing with it IS the reasonable recourse for this scenario

Starting your beggar over on another shard or using a shard transfer would be the simplest solution to this issue.

 

[Eht/Longbow]

Well, not that it matters, but it's an issue of what the game seems as an individual. Obviously there is still private ownership.



You have to understand there is a skeleton dev crew, and the feature you are requesting is to satisfy a niche (to be generous) need. They simply have more important, more universal things to spend their time on, and something like this would be prettttty low on the to-do list. You don't have to be quit, but dealing with it IS the reasonable recourse for this scenario

Starting your beggar over on another shard or using a shard transfer would be the simplest solution to this issue.

The dev team has been a skeleton for many years now and they are still quite an ambitious bunch nonetheless. They used to view these forums, so I assume they no longer care about this place, judging by the fact that you direct me to their website?

I wanted to discuss a solution, or maybe be informed of systems I was unaware. I found the wall safe, but it is not quite the answer I was looking for. They have individual savings accounts per character, but you cannot do any transactions from them. It seems that a simple toggle to decide where my transactions (insurance, Player/NPC vendors, etc.) will occur from would solve the problem.

I would argue that if the dev team has time to make wall maps of brand new regions or a variety of new potions in the expansion, they can make it available to make a tweak for a toggle in the banking system.

I would also add that, being that I have not played for a while, discussing my difficulties in forming a solution with a group of people who have nothing better to do, would be far more practical than annoying the dev team with ill sourced requests for solutions. The question is, who should vet the silly questions and who shouldn't?

I do appreciate the civil nature of your responses in the last few posts. It seems some seem to forget that the first rule posted in the RoC is to:

• Provide a respectful, friendly, and inclusive atmosphere for our visitors and community members to engage.

 

[Uvtha]

I would argue that if the dev team has time to make wall maps of brand new regions or a variety of new potions in the expansion, they can make it available to make a tweak for a toggle in the banking system.

Well, I would imagine if such a thing would be added to the list it would end up pretty low. Stuff like new potions, and other new content are things you can see most people can enjoy, and the new facet was seriously lacking in content when it came out, so I imagine it will be a long time before they start doing smaller items on the list. I would email them about it though, can't hurt.

 

[OREOGL]

If you can't put yourself into other peoples shoes. You will never understand many very simple concepts in life. Relationships with other people will always be difficult.
I'm sorry. I'm done explaining it to you.

Swing and a miss. Strike one. Besides you didn't explain anything in the first place.

Definition(s) of role playing:

the acting out or performance of a particular role, either consciously (as a technique in psychotherapy or training) or unconsciously, in accordance with the perceived expectations of society with regard to a person's behavior in a particular context.

to act out the role of

to represent in action

to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), especially in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction:


So since they're pretending anyways, the size of their bank of account has nothing to do with it.


Let's try for strike two shall we?

 

[OREOGL]

That is the point I'm trying to make Lady CaT. It's the fact that everyone immediately invalidated my opinion, but I'm not upset because I may never get my way. For the fact that I'm not even allowed to get to have a suggestion and use some sort of device to explain it without being deemed the minority and not worth listening to that I'm frustrated over. It's not that I have a beggar that I don't like the system, it's for a multitude of other reasons. I am not asking for a full overhaul of the system, I'm just talking about improvements. This is a "forum" a place to present ideas and discuss them. Being quickly called "anal-retentive" in my play style without even asking for clarification of my post is upsetting and narrow minded. Being told to "let the door hit me on the way out" is inflammatory and frustrating, especially for a game I've spent 14 years playing. It's simple fact that having a different opinion is so irritating to everyone here that you are shunned and deemed a worthless part of the community who should never post again that hurts and should be discouraged.

So back to the topic. I just simply suggest a checking account for each character. Is that so bad? I mean wouldn't that be easier than opening a second account or creating and managing spreadsheet? What's next? A tax season and I'll have the Britanian Royal Revenue Service at my door auditing each character's income and spending habits? "I see you bought three barrels of cure potions last week, but you already have Alchemy listed as a grandmastered skill. Why don't you explain to us what you were doing with all those curatives? I hear Nightshade has recently been legalized, but I should remind you that creating potions is explicitly prohibited for public manufacturing."

Eht

Why are you trying to play the victim here?

You start a thread saying UO is socialism and applied zero logic to your argument.

What exactly, did you think was going to happen?

 

[Merlin]

So back to the topic. I just simply suggest a checking account for each character. Is that so bad? I mean wouldn't that be easier than opening a second account or creating and managing spreadsheet?

Much of the community was very welcome to leaving behind the old system where each character had a separate bank account full of checks. You're basically asking to go back to the way things used to be or to create some other secondary banking system that quite honestly is probably beyond the capacity of developer resources as it currently stands. Sorry that you didn't get the reaction you had hoped, but you did yourself no favors either by implying this new system was some form of socialism in the subject line or by now trying to play the victim card.

You have the option to manage a spreadsheet in Excel if you want to keep track of an individual character's revenue and expenses. This would in fact be easier than creating an entirely second type of banking system. No one is preventing you from being able to do this or being able to still enjoy your type of play style. It simply is going to take a little more elbow grease from your end.

 

[Lady CaT]

They used to view these forums, so I assume they no longer care about this place, judging by the fact that you direct me to their website?

I suggested it simply as another way to get your feedback to people who actually program the game. I actually have no idea if Broadsword reads player run websites anymore or not on a regular basis.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

They used to view these forums, so I assume they no longer care about this place, judging by the fact that you direct me to their website?

They do still read the forums and up until the last part of April they were actively posting here as well. I personally hope they eventually begin to post here again. UO Developer Feed

I actually have no idea if Broadsword reads player run websites anymore or not on a regular basis.

Yeah... they do... even if they do not respond these days.. they still keep up with the player base...

 

[Eht/Longbow]

Why are you trying to play the victim here?

You start a thread saying UO is socialism and applied zero logic to your argument.

What exactly, did you think was going to happen?

I will not play the victim here; I will not be a victim because this board is merely words on a screen from strangers. I am saying that the general feeling I received of having a differing opinion immediately garnered ridicule and insensitivity. No amount of effort of clarification was sought before diametric opinions were formed. It's very easy to talk about a problem and find a solution for it without playing the devil's advocate.

Much of the community was very welcome to leaving behind the old system where each character had a separate bank account full of checks. You're basically asking to go back to the way things used to be or to create some other secondary banking system that quite honestly is probably beyond the capacity of developer resources as it currently stands. Sorry that you didn't get the reaction you had hoped, but you did yourself no favors either by implying this new system was some form of socialism in the subject line or by now trying to play the victim card.

You have the option to manage a spreadsheet in Excel if you want to keep track of an individual character's revenue and expenses. This would in fact be easier than creating an entirely second type of banking system. No one is preventing you from being able to do this or being able to still enjoy your type of play style. It simply is going to take a little more elbow grease from your end.

Again, and again it's been implied that I NEVER asked for the system to be returned to the way it was or a whole new system to be implemented. I was seeking a solution, not a system overhaul. I don't see why you keep insisting this is my view? It is not black and white, red vs blue. This is an open opinion I want to discuss.

Besides, who's to say they don't have time or the resources to fulfill a player request? Who's to say next week EA doesn't decide to majorly fund UO again?

Among the folks who have been constructive and helpful, I have found that there could very well be a simple solution that would not even affect anyone adversely, and I may e-mail the team in the future about it. I am sure though that there could and should have been a far easier way to get to this conclusion.

Eht

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Who's to say next week EA doesn't decide to majorly fund UO again?

I get the majority of your post.. and they are fair points.. but this? If ya are gonna dream ya may as well dream big for sure

 

[OREOGL]

I will not play the victim here; I will not be a victim because this board is merely words on a screen from strangers. I am saying that the general feeling I received of having a differing opinion immediately garnered ridicule and insensitivity. No amount of effort of clarification was sought before diametric opinions were formed. It's very easy to talk about a problem and find a solution for it without playing the devil's advocate.

What are you talking about, you already have.

As far as differing opinions, you sought these the minute you hit "post" for this thread.

There's no reason to seek a solution to something that doesn't need fixed.

A word of advice, perhaps you should be clear from the start and not interject political ideologies into something that most people favor.

 

[Ox AO]

ou're basically asking to go back to the way things used to be or to create some other secondary banking system
.

Neither. At least try to understand what he is saying.

 

[Zuckuss]

 

[kelmo]

Are you kidding me?

 

[The Craftsman]

Are you kidding me?

Why would he be kidding? The change to the gold system is just yet another change where UO loses something. Same with vendor search. Sure the changes make life easier for folk and most wanted those changes but they take something away from the game. UO was unique and special. Changes of this nature just pander to the 'easy mode' crowd who want it handed to them on a plate. This isnt UO and everytime a change like this takes place UO becomes even more a shadow of its former self.

And give the OP a break. Some of the toxicity towards him borders on general chat levels. But then its the same people so hardly surprising.

 

[Kirthag]

Part of what made UO so much fun was the management of individual character assets.
I personally do not like the combined banking system - but knew it was coming due to development projections and expectations - so threw in ideas that did have some impact during the whole testing phase.

@Eht/Longbow
You are under no obligation to try and explain your play style, thought process, and reasoning to the board at large - that's an act of futility as there are those who argue just for the sake of it. For a better and more direct approach to the devs, sending them concise, intelligent messages via [email protected] or their contact page are the best avenues. Posting to any forum is simply a vent which falls into the toxic pool of angst and disgruntlement you will find there.

However, some of us do enjoy the entertainment - which never ceases to amaze.

Carry on.