UO has implimented socialism?

[Eht/Longbow]

One reason I thoroughly enjoyed playing UO is the simple fact that it's a sandbox game. When I was playing this game the most and when it was a bit more active it had a rich RP society. Every character I created was different and dynamic. I could play as though they never met each other or one had a home and another was homeless. One of them could be rich and the other poor.

Here is why I do not like the current currency system. All of the money on my account is combined into one shared account. Why does my beggar have access to my crafter's full business account? My pvp character has access to my main fund, and insurance is expensive. If I ran out of money buying new clothes or weapons for my pvp character then ran out of money or was too low from too many deaths to continue to fight that meant I had to switch to a different character and do something else to earn some more. Now however, I'm COMPLETELY trapped; I can't even put some money away for a rainy day.

At least they did find a way to successfully end the pauper life of every beggar in Britannia, temporarily. But when will they find a way to separate this leech of a character from my bank account? Soon all of my characters will be beggars.
I mean, if you don't know how this feels, could you just attach my beggar to Mesanna's bank account? How about we attach every bank account to one big one, and we all live together in one big happy community. Lets see how fast this shared system will last.

I have to say, I have taken a long break from UO, but I find it very difficult to play like I used to.

Eht

 

[Zuckuss]

Welcome back! Been a long time since you've posted.

 

[TimberWolf]

I guess now you have to budget for the entire family....and think of everyone's needs before making that purchase... relax it isnt that hard...Mothers have been doing it for years!

 

[Merlin]

I don't think this qualifies as implementing socialism.

Also not sure how a shared bank account cramps your play style. The shared accounts were welcomed by most of the community and will be here to stay.

 

[Ox AO]

I don't think this qualifies as implementing socialism.

Also not sure how a shared bank account cramps your play style. The shared accounts were welcomed by most of the community and will be here to stay.

key term you might have missed "RP society"

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

key term you might have missed "RP society"

Well...errr... the RP folks are great at pretending.. so just pretend your beggar does not have access to the account bound gold. Heck, when he opens his bank box he sees absolutely none. *shrugs* So, just let him live like any true beggar would, from the gold that is in his pack. I mean would real world beggars back then have a bank account?!? I think not

 

[OREOGL]

One reason I thoroughly enjoyed playing UO is the simple fact that it's a sandbox game. When I was playing this game the most and when it was a bit more active it had a rich RP society. Every character I created was different and dynamic. I could play as though they never met each other or one had a home and another was homeless. One of them could be rich and the other poor.

Here is why I do not like the current currency system. All of the money on my account is combined into one shared account. Why does my beggar have access to my crafter's full business account? My pvp character has access to my main fund, and insurance is expensive. If I ran out of money buying new clothes or weapons for my pvp character then ran out of money or was too low from too many deaths to continue to fight that meant I had to switch to a different character and do something else to earn some more. Now however, I'm COMPLETELY trapped; I can't even put some money away for a rainy day.

At least they did find a way to successfully end the pauper life of every beggar in Britannia, temporarily. But when will they find a way to separate this leech of a character from my bank account? Soon all of my characters will be beggars.
I mean, if you don't know how this feels, could you just attach my beggar to Mesanna's bank account? How about we attach every bank account to one big one, and we all live together in one big happy community. Lets see how fast this shared system will last.

I have to say, I have taken a long break from UO, but I find it very difficult to play like I used to.

Eht

This is certainly a different line of logic but certainly not socialism.

I am interested to hear more about how this impedes your playstyle.

 

[Archnight]

All of this can be summed up in one word... BUDGET or maybe two in this case... SOCIAL BUDGET hehe

 

[FrejaSP]

Maybe the next step for update of the Bank box could be.

One shared bank, where each char can transfer gold or item too
This way each char have their own bank with the gold they own and their item but they do also have access to a shared box, where the account holder can choose to keep some gold and maybe some shared resources and items.
Your char should not be able to use the shared gold without first moving it to that chars bank box.

 

[Dot_Warner]

Your fiscal irresponsibility =/= socialism.

If you want to squirrel gold away instead of feeling compelled to spend every last crown, get a wall safe and store some in your house.

 

[TimberWolf]

Maybe the next step for update of the Bank box could be.

One shared bank, where each char can transfer gold or item too
This way each char have their own bank with the gold they own and their item but they do also have access to a shared box, where the account holder can choose to keep some gold and maybe some shared resources and items.
Your char should not be able to use the shared gold without first moving it to that chars bank box.

they have this already.....it is called your castle!!! you can use a steel chest or even a safe! lol

 

[Ox AO]

Your fiscal irresponsibility =/= socialism.

If you want to squirrel gold away instead of feeling compelled to spend every last crown, get a wall safe and store some in your house.

socialism = you're earnings does not belong to you.
Bank = secured box for your savings
Account banking = All characters have access to the same bank

Roll playing scenario:

Johnny Rockefeller (rich guy) bank is shared with Robin D Hood (thief)
Robin D Hood no longer needs to rob people too take from the rich.

This is not difficult.

 

[OREOGL]

socialism = you're earnings does not belong to you.
Bank = secured box for your earnings
Account banking = All characters have access to the same bank

Roll playing scenario:

Johnny Rockefeller (rich guy) bank is shared with Robin D Hood (thief)
Robin D Hood no longer needs to robe people to take from the rich.

This is not difficult.

The balance of your own account does not affect how a person role plays.

It isn't socialism since its your own account.

If they were to take gold from your account and give it to someone's else's, only then would it be socialism.

 

[Stubentiger]

if your character is poor it should not have a bank account
Rent a chest in a house

 

[Ox AO]

if your character is poor it should not have a bank account
Rent a chest in a house

That is a good idea actually. Robin D Hood's bank account could be deactivated.
Though he wouldn't have insurance money. Thieves typically doesn't have insurance though.

That would put a whole new twist on this game. Fight in "this location" your bank account is deactivated in this area (no insurance.) Bringing SOME of Siege rules to the other servers.

 

[Ox AO]

It isn't socialism since its your own account.

Who is "your" when there are seven different roll playing characters on the account?

 

[OREOGL]

Who is "your" when there are seven different roll playing characters on the account?

"Your" is the owner of the account.

Is this really the card you wanted to play?

 

[Critical Gaming]

This is a really weird thread.

Just accept it, bro. The game has changed, and this particular change was very well received. If you want to go to Siege Perilous, you'll only have one character per account so that solves your issue.

 

[arkiu]

Some threads ya can't help but roll your eyes at... this is definitely one of em.

 

[Beldin Brightaxe]

Wish I shared a bank account with all my family members IRL.

But then we'd all be poor and I'd probably get deleted.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Some threads ya can't help but roll your eyes at... this is definitely one of em.

ikr..

I mean it would not be socialism unless they let me into @Archnight 's bank account

I know he advised budgeting but heck.. I gotz Beluga Caviar and Dom taste on a dang MD 20/20 budget

 

[Archnight]

ikr..

I mean it would not be socialism unless they let me into @Archnight 's bank account

I know he advised budgeting but heck.. I gotz Beluga Caviar and Dom taste on a dang MD 20/20 budget

Have you forgotten Kylie...

Plus i'm sure YOUR bank has wayyy more gold than mine hehe

 

[Ox AO]

"Your" is the owner of the account.

Is this really the card you wanted to play?

An account has 7 characters on one server. For roll players each are unique.

Yes.

 

[Ox AO]

so just pretend your beggar does not have access to the account bound gold.

You can't pretend that you have no insurance money left.
You can't pretend a lot of issues that you're missing. Again: EACH character is unique.

 

[OREOGL]

An account has 7 characters on one server. For roll players each are unique.

Yes.

I suppose you can try and rationalize about anything, but the logic just isn't there.

But I encourage you to play this hand out.

Feel free to explain to me in depth how this affects role playing.

Extra points for doing it for 7 characters owned by the same person.

 

[Beldin Brightaxe]

You can't pretend that you have no insurance money left.
You can't pretend a lot of issues that you're missing. Again: EACH character is unique.

You don't have to pay for the insurance or even use it at all, so this should make no difference on a begger character.

 

[Merlin]

You can't pretend that you have no insurance money left.
You can't pretend a lot of issues that you're missing. Again: EACH character is unique.

If you're "role-playing" some type of beggar character or 'Robin Hood' role, then why are you using a bank account in the first place? Why are you wearing insured armor? Why doesn't that person just keep some physical gold in their pack or locked down at their house then? Options have already been suggested in this thread, such as using wall safes, as type of work around to the 'shared account'.

The entire banking system shouldn't be changed to satisfy a rather small role-playing community. Those people are simply going to have to adapt - or atleast 'pretend' to.

 

[Spartan]

If you're "role-playing" some type of beggar character or 'Robin Hood' role, then why are you using a bank account in the first place? Why are you wearing insured armor? Why doesn't that person just keep some physical gold in their pack or locked down at their house then? Options have already been suggested in this thread, such as using wall safes, as type of work around to the 'shared account'.

The entire banking system shouldn't be changed to satisfy a rather small role-playing community. Those people are simply going to have to adapt - or atleast 'pretend' to.

Bingo!!! I was a bit dismayed when I saw the bank change, as I do have a beggar. I liked keeping track of all his cash to see how well/badly he does however I found a secret to handling this one:

Excel spreadsheet! Nuff sed.

 

[Dot_Warner]

As a roleplayer, I call shenanigans. Very few RPers are myopic enough to believe that account-based banking is a bad thing.

If you really want to RP that character 1 has X amount to their name, while character 2 has Y amount, you still can. Create a ledger and exercise some self control.

Your anal-retentive RP is up to you to self-enforce, not BS.

 

[Ox AO]

The entire banking system shouldn't be changed to satisfy a rather small role-playing community. Those people are simply going to have to adapt - or atleast 'pretend' to.

Why is there this "all or nothing" logic so prevalent now a days? No one is saying to take it down.
Eht is saying there are side effects that wasn't intended.

 

[Ox AO]

Feel free to explain to me in depth how this affects role playing.

If you can't put yourself into other peoples shoes. You will never understand many very simple concepts in life. Relationships with other people will always be difficult.
I'm sorry. I'm done explaining it to you.

 

[Ox AO]

As a roleplayer, I call shenanigans.
Very few RPers are myopic enough to believe that account-based banking is a bad thing.

This statement isn't even logical. You can't call shenanigans then in the very next line you say there are some.

Honestly. What is with this all or nothing logic?

 

[Dot_Warner]

This statement isn't even logical. You can't call shenanigans then in the very next line you say there are some.

Honestly. What is with this all or nothing logic?

None of the RPers I know raged against the banking change from an IC standpoint. None. They were all happy that they wouldn't have to worry about transferring gold between characters on the same account ever again. Could there be such RPers? Sure, but I bet their numbers don't exceed double digits - thus the onus falls on them to budget their characters if they feel the urge to micromanage.

Many people, including RPers, questioned the need for the wall safes (specifically their lack of usefulness as designed), the privacy-immolating balance wall of text, and the transfer balance account not being part of the transfer process (instead of prior to it). Regardless of those quibbles, the banking change is one of the most well-received publishes in UO's history.

You've been given several methods for limiting a character's wealth regardless of the overall account balance. Use one.

 

[DJAd]

The new banking system is the best addition to the game since vendor search.

I kinda wish they had allowed us to access our gold on any shard without having to transfer it.

 

[Giggles]

I try to be understanding and objective when considering other peoples game style. I can understand and appreciate how the new currency system does effect some RPers, however I cannot understand how those RPers would wish to change an entire system over being inconvenienced in their RP. Personally, I see that as a little selfish honestly.
If I wished to RP a beggar with no funds in my bank as I say "balance", then I would inconvenience myself a little, and open a secondary account that I would transfer my money to while RPing my beggar. That would be the more rational choice, rather than the alternative of trying to force the entire UO population to suffer again with a outdated currency system. I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for this problem. Please leave the currency system alone.

 

[TimberWolf]

roleplayer is make believe...pretend your balance is 0...enough said

 

[Eht/Longbow]

Well, obviously this is a topic worth talking about since it has triggered quite a heated debate. I will admit that I say that the term "socialism" I use loosely. I will correct that by using the definition of communism which seems to fit: "A form of socialism that abolishes private ownership."

I do not agree with Merlin's thought that I want the ENTIRE system changed, but that doesn't mean it cannot be IMPROVED. I can definitely see benefits to the way the system works now, but there are also problems I find for which I took this time to point out. Besides, since when have they left any system within this game alone and settled to always remain unchanged? The answer is never. I am just voicing my perspective and reasons why I find this bothersome. Furthermore, telling me that I just have to deal with it and I should be quiet is a sorry argument for any opinion.

Also, 7 characters are a lot of budgets to keep track of. I play this game for fun, not because I want to practice balancing checking accounts and budgeting. Well, maybe my BOD crafter likes to do that, but I doubt my PVP char does.

Directing a question to Giggles, do you mean opening a whole new account as it paying more money just so I can play a beggar? I use the subject of a beggar because it better polarizes the opposing views I have, that does not mean that this problem is isolated to just people who play beggars. Besides that, people were opening new accounts for the express purpose of holding BILLIONS of gold. Isn't this change originally based on the express purpose to end the necessity for this kind of game play? I am only discussing this topic to come up with a solution and improve our game play not to revert back to old decrepit systems.

Why can't we have savings accounts? Why can't we have a shared account within the bank for everyone and a separate spending account for each character? It would definitely save the need for a budget or spreadsheet.

Do house banks pay insurance? Maybe my beggar has enough to insure just an old family heirloom, but only twice, or maybe he thinks it's only twice. I don't want to number crunch when I shouldn't have to.

Also, the only spreadsheets I like are the kind I bake cookies on. Since when do beggars require the ability to budget anyway? I would argue that a possible reason a beggar is poor is the simple fact that they don't know how to budget.

Eht

 

[Ox AO]

None of the RPers I know raged against the banking change

Meet EHT.

 

[Ox AO]

roleplayer is make believe

Looking for Sosaria on world map. Damb can't seem to find it. I wonder why?

 

[Ox AO]

I cannot understand how those RPers would wish to change an entire system over being inconvenienced in their RP.

Can someone explain to me why this dichotomous reasoning seems to be prevalent with people on this site?

 

[Eht/Longbow]

Well, it seems to be that there is no longer enough people who play UO at this time who want anyone to be happy with the game, so I believe it might be time for me to move on. I am beginning to regret that I tried returning at all.

 

[Critical Gaming]

LOL

 

[Lord Arm]

there are some players that like each char to earn their own money, they can keep track with bank account. this is not me. I do like the change.

 

[Ox AO]

there are some players that like each char to earn their own money, they can keep track with bank account. this is not me. I do like the change.

He is NOT asking to change it back. Why is this so difficult to understand?
He is asking for more control for each character. That could mean a number of different way to go about doing it.

 

[Ox AO]

it seems to be that there is no longer enough people who play UO at this time who want anyone (else) to be happy with the gamel.

That I agree with. 100%
Very selfish

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Well, it seems to be that there is no longer enough people who play UO at this time who want anyone to be happy with the game

I don't think that is it at all. I think everyone is finally happy the Devs changed the gold to being account bound instead of character bound after a few years of talking about it/asking for it. And during all of that discussion time I honestly can not remember one person who was saying, "No please do not do this"... *shrugs* .. but hey, I could be wrong.

so I believe it might be time for me to move on. I am beginning to regret that I tried returning at all.

Not to be rude or anything.. but if something as small as this makes you feel that way then yeah... UO is probably no longer the game for ya sadly because there are lots of small things that everyone puts up with to be able to play. Vaya con Dios...

 

[Varingian]

Well, it seems to be that there is no longer enough people who play UO at this time who want anyone to be happy with the game, so I believe it might be time for me to move on. I am beginning to regret that I tried returning at all.

I think this is where I'd say 'Don't let the door hit you', but in this in case I hope it does hit you. Hard. And sprains your hands so you can't start anymore threads.

 

[Merlin]

That I agree with. 100%
Very selfish

The only selfishness I see here is asking that the entire banking system be changed for the vanity of one role playing beggar.

 

[Lady CaT]

Well, it seems to be that there is no longer enough people who play UO at this time who want anyone to be happy with the game, so I believe it might be time for me to move on. I am beginning to regret that I tried returning at all.

I would highly recommend not letting the toxicity of people on these forums effect your enjoyment of the game. Your opinions are just as valid as theirs.

 

[Eht/Longbow]

That is the point I'm trying to make Lady CaT. It's the fact that everyone immediately invalidated my opinion, but I'm not upset because I may never get my way. For the fact that I'm not even allowed to get to have a suggestion and use some sort of device to explain it without being deemed the minority and not worth listening to that I'm frustrated over. It's not that I have a beggar that I don't like the system, it's for a multitude of other reasons. I am not asking for a full overhaul of the system, I'm just talking about improvements. This is a "forum" a place to present ideas and discuss them. Being quickly called "anal-retentive" in my play style without even asking for clarification of my post is upsetting and narrow minded. Being told to "let the door hit me on the way out" is inflammatory and frustrating, especially for a game I've spent 14 years playing. It's simple fact that having a different opinion is so irritating to everyone here that you are shunned and deemed a worthless part of the community who should never post again that hurts and should be discouraged.

So back to the topic. I just simply suggest a checking account for each character. Is that so bad? I mean wouldn't that be easier than opening a second account or creating and managing spreadsheet? What's next? A tax season and I'll have the Britanian Royal Revenue Service at my door auditing each character's income and spending habits? "I see you bought three barrels of cure potions last week, but you already have Alchemy listed as a grandmastered skill. Why don't you explain to us what you were doing with all those curatives? I hear Nightshade has recently been legalized, but I should remind you that creating potions is explicitly prohibited for public manufacturing."

Eht