This, plus I feel these were put in the game hoping tamers would use them instead of the larger graphic Greater Dragons. But darned if I'm giving up my almost 1k hp for barely 700.I wish they had higher stats more often than regular pets just because they're such a pain in the ass to get.
What I don't get is WHY Dragon Turtles have to be the same way? Not like I can go lore and kill 30 of them before finding a decent one. I'll just keep using my Greater Dragon and players will keep pancakes about the lag they cause at events and such.They lose 50% just like Greaters. It's the same as greater dragons. I'm not sure what people don't get about it.
???they arnt the same as GD's
they gain back up to within 10% of their original skills which is higher then GD's
I believe this is the same range as GDs. Their low end wild is 1,000 hp, which would be 500 after taming. I think we just don't see as many GDs that low because they'd be killed off and never tamed in the first place when being farmed.I agree. The HP range on turtles is extreme. Should make them go no lower than 750. I've hatched 3 so far - first one was the best on HP (750), the last 2 where 500-600...
Two 2.0 and a 2.5 out of the 3 I've hatched. I released and killed all 3.So, inquisitive minds want to know.
What is the best "calculator" value you have gotten on the turtles??
Thanks
discorded Shadow Elemental until your turtle get high enough then undisco the SE and carry on till the turtle is the same level then disco both and continue on until cap is reached.They are a pain to train anyways... Finding something with around 50 Wrestling that lives long enough...
I agree! It has been that way forever, why the shock now?They lose 50% just like Greaters. It's the same as greater dragons. I'm not sure what people don't get about it.
Miasma. Lives fairly long enough, has 60 ish wrestling and spawns fast. And can kick your turtle's butt like the Shredder.They are a pain to train anyways... Finding something with around 50 Wrestling that lives long enough...
Try Ortanords? They are pretty much unkillable. Don't know if their skill level is good enough.They are a pain to train anyways... Finding something with around 50 Wrestling that lives long enough...
I'll give em a try. UOGuide says their wrestling is only 19.Try Ortanords? They are pretty much unkillable. Don't know if their skill level is good enough.
4.1 so far is the best I've seen... next closest, a few 3.6's. A large majority have been under 2.6.So, inquisitive minds want to know.
What is the best "calculator" value you have gotten on the turtles??
Thanks
I've been discording Sphynx until the turtle gets high enough to leave Sphynx au naturale.They are a pain to train anyways... Finding something with around 50 Wrestling that lives long enough...
Found a dude in Yomatsu Mine with a Shadow Ele Discorded. About three Whisperings later I'm almost fully trained except for resist/anat/eval.I've been discording Sphynx until the turtle gets high enough to leave Sphynx au naturale.
Nice - level 3 whispering?Found a dude in Yomatsu Mine with a Shadow Ele Discorded. About three Whisperings later I'm almost fully trained except for resist/anat/eval.
Just level 1. Haven't lucked into a level 3 book yet.Nice - level 3 whispering?
Nobody?Has anyone yet got a dragon turtle that's better than their GD?
I acquired my best GD this past year (so, after approximately 6 years of farming them) - a 4.4.Has anyone yet got a dragon turtle that's better than their GD?
Thanks, Kit. Are we comparing oranges and oranges when we compare ratings for GDs and turtles? For instance, a 3.5 GD will far outdamage a 4.8 cu because they have different skills, stats and resists. Are GDs and turtles with the same ratings otherwise functionally equivalent? Sorry I haven't had a chance to study this furtherI acquired my best GD this past year (so, after approximately 6 years of farming them) - a 4.4.
My best turtle so far is a 4.1.
To be fair, I don't think 6 years of farming and 3 weeks of champ spawns are anywhere near equivalent. I expect it to take quite some time to acquire an equivalent turtle, and I think I have been quite lucky thus far to have gotten a 4+ in such a short time.
(Point being - by the time turtles have been around as long as GDs have, everybody will have great ones). I don't think it's reasonable to expect to just immediately replace pets that have taken years of farming to acquire. It will be just like the process of getting your best GD. You keep the best turtle you can find. Train it up. Use it until you get a better turtle. Replace the first one. Train up the new guy. Use him until you get a better turtle. And so on.
Hi Yadd -Thanks, Kit. Are we comparing oranges and oranges when we compare ratings for GDs and turtles? For instance, a 3.5 GD will far outdamage a 4.8 cu because they have different skills, stats and resists. Are GDs and turtles with the same ratings otherwise functionally equivalent? Sorry I haven't had a chance to study this further
What would you need it if the turtles are exactly the same as the dragons? I assume there's already some link to the maximum stats and resists of dragons?can anyone link me to a site that has the resists and max stats for a tamed turtle?
The question at the Meet and Greet was about stats, not skills or abilities. While it does look that skills are the same, abilities seem to be different. Has anyone seen a turtle do a fire breath yet?Hi Yadd -
Yes, turtles are identical once trained to greater dragons. Kryonix confirmed it at the dev meet and greet the other night. When asked if turtles are the same as GDs, he said, "Yes. Line for line."
11/2/15 Dev Meet And Greet On Chesapeake Transcript
I believe the main benefit to a turtle is that it is much smaller and less flappy (and therefore less visually troublesome at large spawns and events).
Many, many times.The question at the Meet and Greet was about stats, not skills or abilities. While it does look that skills are the same, abilities seem to be different. Has anyone seen a turtle do a fire breath yet?
Kitiara in Post #32well I didnt know they were exactly the same as a grt dragon??? Foolish me assumed a water based turtle might have different resists then a land based dragon
Ugh, the devs were that lazy? Just copy and paste with a new wrapper? Well, that's disappointing, especially given the whole egg hatching hassle.Many, many times.
I kind of feel the same way. Given how many GDs you can spawn looking for the right one in the time it takes to get one egg, it's much, much (we are talking order's of magnitude here) more difficult to get a good turtle compared to a GD. All for a marginal benefit of smaller size. And if you do put in the time, get lucky and hatch a 4+, we still have a looming pet revamp which finally might happen and make your hard hatched turtle useless.I have a couple pretty good greater dragons and just haven't been motivated to replace it with a turtle with the same practical function except smaller
I have to agree with everything you said except the observation that this expansion has the potential to be superb. Sorry, I don't see any potential, need a clean slate and a restart. A game needs some atmosphere to be engrossing - unless you just want a barren item scramble - and these new lands have no atmosphere at all that I can detect. I still prefer hanging around the old lands and at least pretending I'm doing something meaningful. Frankly, I'd be playing Witcher 3 if my video card could handle it, and Skyrim is tugging at me again just to have a place with some atmosphere, story line and believable characters that you can engross yourself in.The whole expansion looks like a lazy work, I am sure it wasn't a lazy work but that's what it looks like. To my opinion it is one of the worst expansions if not the worst of UO. And I am sorry I pancake about it, but it is absurd that they copied greater dragon on turtle dragon and that was it, that was the great expansion regarding tamming. Seriously?
Really think about it, what did the expansion brought? other than ugly lands, a champ spawn that's popular only cause it is new, a useless tiger, a smaller and harder to get greater dragon. And the skill masteries, which they made sound bigger than what they are. They really raised our expectations before this expansion, to come up with a mediocre job. The fact that the turtle dragon is just a copy from the greater dragon is one of the many proofs that this expansion really looks like some lazy work.
I am sorry to be so harsh, but this work really looks like it was done by an intern, or some sort of aficionado, rather than a team of experienced software developers. And hey, these things happen all the time, and it is ok, but you fix it!. And it looks like this is going to stay the way it is with some minor touches... "the TT is the same as the GG line by line" are you kidding me? so it took you years to create a new object which inherits all attributes from an already created object? AKA copy paste. This expansion needs MAJOR touches. It has happenned to me to, a few months ago at work I handed in a report about my research that was... well... mediocre... and by the looks of everyone I understood the report was double whopper with cheese. However, the work I did, and the idea behind it was great, and the report didn't hold up to the work done. I put more attention on the report, lots of hours, and the result was probably the best paper I've ever written in my entire career, and everyone at the company was really happy and impressed about it. My point is, this expansion could be superb, and bring a ton of new players to UO. But that's NOT going to happen if they don't realize the work was crap and needs to be redone.
While I do understand your sentiment here I feel the need to remind you that the "Team" you speak of is no where near what it's been in years past. If you need proof of that go back and look at how many DEV's we had back around AoS, ML or any of the other big expansions. There were dozens of DEV names back then. Then look at what we have now..... Here's a hint for you..... You can count their heads.The whole expansion looks like a lazy work, I am sure it wasn't a lazy work but that's what it looks like. To my opinion it is one of the worst expansions if not the worst of UO. And I am sorry I pancake about it, but it is absurd that they copied greater dragon on turtle dragon and that was it, that was the great expansion regarding tamming. Seriously?
Really think about it, what did the expansion brought? other than ugly lands, a champ spawn that's popular only cause it is new, a useless tiger, a smaller and harder to get greater dragon. And the skill masteries, which they made sound bigger than what they are. They really raised our expectations before this expansion, to come up with a mediocre job. The fact that the turtle dragon is just a copy from the greater dragon is one of the many proofs that this expansion really looks like some lazy work.
I am sorry to be so harsh, but this work really looks like it was done by an intern, or some sort of aficionado, rather than a team of experienced software developers. And hey, these things happen all the time, and it is ok, but you fix it!. And it looks like this is going to stay the way it is with some minor touches... "the TT is the same as the GG line by line" are you kidding me? so it took you years to create a new object which inherits all attributes from an already created object? AKA copy paste. This expansion needs MAJOR touches. It has happenned to me to, a few months ago at work I handed in a report about my research that was... well... mediocre... and by the looks of everyone I understood the report was double whopper with cheese. However, the work I did, and the idea behind it was great, and the report didn't hold up to the work done. I put more attention on the report, lots of hours, and the result was probably the best paper I've ever written in my entire career, and everyone at the company was really happy and impressed about it. My point is, this expansion could be superb, and bring a ton of new players to UO. But that's NOT going to happen if they don't realize the work was crap and needs to be redone.
I'd like that. A cold-element fire breath attack would be cool.It would be indeed nice if they were distinct from greater dragons (energy or cold fire breath, higher cold or energy resist), but oh well.
I like them better than greaters because I hate having overgrown, fire breathing featherless chicken following me around.
I am sticking to the ones I got for now, but I will keep on hunting for a slight better one. No need to be 4.0+, but if it has better, more normalized resists, it will do for me.
Still, I would much prefer if they had higher starting stats before the RNG hits so it would be slight easier to get a good one.
Getting them involve far more work than getting a greater fire breathing featherless chicken.
My best is 4.1, and after thinking about how much time it would take to get a similar turtle, ironically I went to the Fire temple and started taming some dragons. I think I have a much better chance of a 4.2+ GD than a decent turtle.As for me, I'm sticking with my Greater Dragon, which is a 4.3 - I lucked into it last year at Fel Destard.