Can we make harpischord scrolls worth more clean-up points?

[Spock's Beard]

I'm not sure why anyone would make such a limited-interest item a pack-drop to begin with, but it's kind of irritating having a pack full of them after any bout of Abyss farming. They're only worth 10 cleanup points too, so they inevitably just go onto the ground.

Ideally I'd like these to be corpse drops so that we don't have to pick them up at all, but that might take a minute to change and I know the devs are busy. So let's bump the point value on these things up a little so having your inventory forcibly loaded with them isn't just a random nuisance.

 

[Merus]

I'm not sure why anyone would make such a limited-interest item a pack-drop to begin with, but it's kind of irritating having a pack full of them after any bout of Abyss farming. They're only worth 10 cleanup points too, so they inevitably just go onto the ground.

Ideally I'd like these to be corpse drops so that we don't have to pick them up at all, but that might take a minute to change and I know the devs are busy. So let's bump the point value on these things up a little so having your inventory forcibly loaded with them isn't just a random nuisance.

My vote would be no to the increased value. Far to easy to farm them as is.

 

[Fridgster]

My vote would be no to the increased value. Far to easy to farm them as is.

Yeah because farming gold ingots in blackthorns is much harder. 30,000*2.5 per hour.

 

[Uvtha]

Yeah because farming gold ingots in blackthorns is much harder. 30,000*2.5 per hour.

This. Or Tmap farming in doom. Even if they were worth 100 point it wouldn't even be close, and it would be a nice little boost.

 

[Merus]

Except both of those examples require looting (or use of an actual 3rd party looting script) to farm. All you need to farm rolls is something to hold down a spell key since they go straight in your pack.

 

[Spock's Beard]

Except both of those examples require looting (or use of an actual 3rd party looting script) to farm. All you need to farm rolls is something to hold down a spell key since they go straight in your pack.

Yeah and if you did that for a couple months straight you might have as many points as someone who spent an hour farming points in a way that actually made sense. WTF kind of argument is this?

 

[MalagAste]

Except both of those examples require looting (or use of an actual 3rd party looting script) to farm. All you need to farm rolls is something to hold down a spell key since they go straight in your pack.

And not only what Spock's Beard said but we don't WANT them... It's not like we are TRYING to get them. After filling a full set of the Harpsichords what the heck do I want them for?!?! You know I might even be happier if these were somehow added to the Axem quest drops or even that fellow who gives you gears. At this point they aren't "new" anymore... anyone who plays now won't have a Harpsichord anyway and it's not like we are likely to EVER see a new song or two added. The Mob's themselves drop them on the ground! Yes, yes it's true all the mobs who kill one another drop them on the ground like yesterdays trash.

While I do love and enjoy the songs... I am tired of getting a pack full of them every single time I head down to the Ter Mur and the Abyss.

 

[Deraj]

I would rather see the scrolls stop dropping altogether and be available in some other way.

 

[Merus]

Yeah and if you did that for a couple months straight you might have as many points as someone who spent an hour farming points in a way that actually made sense. WTF kind of argument is this?

So your argument goes like this...
Someone can use a 3rd party program to farm ingots which are worth more points than the rolls... Thus we should increase the value of the rolls so that they can be farmed with equal value? What kind of argument indeed!

 

[Merus]

And not only what Spock's Beard said but we don't WANT them... It's not like we are TRYING to get them. After filling a full set of the Harpsichords what the heck do I want them for?!?! You know I might even be happier if these were somehow added to the Axem quest drops or even that fellow who gives you gears. At this point they aren't "new" anymore... anyone who plays now won't have a Harpsichord anyway and it's not like we are likely to EVER see a new song or two added. The Mob's themselves drop them on the ground! Yes, yes it's true all the mobs who kill one another drop them on the ground like yesterdays trash.

While I do love and enjoy the songs... I am tired of getting a pack full of them every single time I head down to the Ter Mur and the Abyss.

I'm not against them being worth more if the drop method changes, but increasing their value with the current method will just add more scripters.

 

[MalagAste]

I'm not against them being worth more if the drop method changes, but increasing their value with the current method will just add more scripters.

Yeah well my argument is that even the crap you get while fishing before you pull up a chest is worth more points than these things and I don't really want either one of them.

 

[Fridgster]

So your argument goes like this...
Someone can use a 3rd party program to farm ingots which are worth more points than the rolls... Thus we should increase the value of the rolls so that they can be farmed with equal value? What kind of argument indeed!

I must have missed were the OP stated any point value suggestions. As far as thr 3rd party comments, I assure you you don't need any software to harness at least 30k gold ingots in an hour. Sampire plus mining plus double strike equals 1-2 shots to kill eles. Almost instant spawn rate is great as well.

 

[Merus]

Yeah well my argument is that even the crap you get while fishing before you pull up a chest is worth more points than these things and I don't really want either one of them.

I know that there is stuff worth more points... But the rolls are SO easy to get with the current distribution method. With no 3rd party program you can pretty easily get 20+ of these per hour afk... and you can do it on a basic newb character in a cheap lrc suit. No one abuses it right now because there are better gigs... But if you start upping the turn in value to something worthwhile the scripters will start.

 

[Merus]

I must have missed were the OP stated any point value suggestions. As far as thr 3rd party comments, I assure you you don't need any software to harness at least 30k gold ingots in an hour. Sampire plus mining plus double strike equals 1-2 shots to kill eles. Almost instant spawn rate is great as well.

Yes, an active player can get lots of points per hour... So? My point wasn't how many you can get actively player... My point was if you increase the value of something so easily obtained with nothing more than a newb character in lrc and a pen lid you will start seeing them farmed afk. Bad idea in my book.

 

[Fridgster]

Yes, an active player can get lots of points per hour... So? My point wasn't how many you can get actively player... My point was if you increase the value of something so easily obtained with nothing more than a newb character in lrc and a pen lid you will start seeing them farmed afk. Bad idea in my book.

Even at say 100 points (Same as level 1 map), you would have to kill ~2 elementals or 1 dark father for better results. A bot or 24/7 farmer would never target those as a way to farm points simply because there are other ways that are just as simple, however generate considerably higher points/hr. The OP in my opinion seems to be stating that 10 is a ridiculously low amount which I agree with. What it should be raised to, well I guess like all things that is up to the devs

 

[MalagAste]

I know that there is stuff worth more points... But the rolls are SO easy to get with the current distribution method. With no 3rd party program you can pretty easily get 20+ of these per hour afk... and you can do it on a basic newb character in a cheap lrc suit. No one abuses it right now because there are better gigs... But if you start upping the turn in value to something worthwhile the scripters will start.

Honestly I'd prefer if they just changed the method of drop. How many folk actively farm them anyway? And it's not like returning players are even going to have the item to put them or be able to get one easily without buying it off a vendor... there is NO other way to get a Harpsichord and no other reason to have the scrolls now other than to throw them away... without having an IN-GAME way of getting a Harpsichord without buying it from some other player these things are honestly dropping WAY too often and too much... And ought to be incorporated into another system rather than dumping in my pack continuously... whether I want them to or NOT... And putting them somewhere else will keep them in game for those looking to collect them (who that would be I don't know right now) and keeping them a viable thing for future music additions like the gears for the music box.... but will end the needless crap in my pack.

Saying that they ought to be worth at least the points to carry them home and drop them in the trash was the "easy" alternative to having them put somewhere else. At least if they were worth taking home and throwing away I'd leave them there instead of having to stop all the time and fish them out of my pack and drop them all over the ground where they can cause lag issues. And honestly they can be farmed without even having to kill anything all you need to do is stealth about and pick them up.... which IMO is insane. But you weren't reading and comprehending what I was really saying... which is stop dropping them in my freaking pack.

 

[Merus]

Honestly I'd prefer if they just changed the method of drop. How many folk actively farm them anyway? And it's not like returning players are even going to have the item to put them or be able to get one easily without buying it off a vendor... there is NO other way to get a Harpsichord and no other reason to have the scrolls now other than to throw them away... without having an IN-GAME way of getting a Harpsichord without buying it from some other player these things are honestly dropping WAY too often and too much... And ought to be incorporated into another system rather than dumping in my pack continuously... whether I want them to or NOT... And putting them somewhere else will keep them in game for those looking to collect them (who that would be I don't know right now) and keeping them a viable thing for future music additions like the gears for the music box.... but will end the needless crap in my pack.

Saying that they ought to be worth at least the points to carry them home and drop them in the trash was the "easy" alternative to having them put somewhere else. At least if they were worth taking home and throwing away I'd leave them there instead of having to stop all the time and fish them out of my pack and drop them all over the ground where they can cause lag issues. And honestly they can be farmed without even having to kill anything all you need to do is stealth about and pick them up.... which IMO is insane. But you weren't reading and comprehending what I was really saying... which is stop dropping them in my freaking pack.

I voiced no objection to changing the drop method, just to increasing the value. Though really, if you change the drop method, I would have no objection to changing the value.

 

[Uvtha]

Except both of those examples require looting (or use of an actual 3rd party looting script) to farm. All you need to farm rolls is something to hold down a spell key since they go straight in your pack.

Real player vs real player... 100 point scrolls would be very very far behind. Regular player doing gold ele's vs someone afk farming scrolls all day... Regular player by a large margin, even if they only do it a few hours. You get a lot of rolls, but come on now. Not 1000 an hour.

 

[Uvtha]

Yes, an active player can get lots of points per hour... So? My point wasn't how many you can get actively player... My point was if you increase the value of something so easily obtained with nothing more than a newb character in lrc and a pen lid you will start seeing them farmed afk. Bad idea in my book.

Who cares? The bottom line is that it really would have very little effect. 20 an hour 24/7 (assuming it all works out that way, which I highly doubt. Too few good spots, too many variables), would be under 50k a day. You can get quite a bit more than that in an hour at gold ele's. Who is seriously going to have a script running 24/7 for 50k clean up points? There would be so many better things to script.

I think people worry far too much about scripters honestly.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

" We are not working on the harpsichord system currently. We do realize it does need adjustment and we appreciate your feedback. When we address the system in the future we will certainly look into that.".

 

[Merlin]

100 points per scroll would be nice. Would atleast make them worth holding on to. Wouldn't have much of an impact either way though really.

 

[Spock's Beard]

Gosh I'd like to post something here but MalagAste and Uvtha seem to have it covered.

Who cares? The bottom line is that it really would have very little effect. 20 an hour 24/7 (assuming it all works out that way, which I highly doubt. Too few good spots, too many variables), would be under 50k a day. You can get quite a bit more than that in an hour at gold ele's. Who is seriously going to have a script running 24/7 for 50k clean up points? There would be so many better things to script.

Flawless victory.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

How about those stupid little pieces of blackrock from mining? Half the time they're in my pack and don't even notice them. Can't stack em. Worth more than 10 points for being annoyed.

 

[Spock's Beard]

How about those stupid little pieces of blackrock from mining? Half the time they're in my pack and don't even notice them. Can't stack em. Worth more than 10 points for being annoyed.

This too. Stuff you end up getting even if you don't really want it needs to be worth more.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

" We are not working on the harpsichord system currently. We do realize it does need adjustment and we appreciate your feedback. When we address the system in the future we will certainly look into that.".

Who are you quoting here, a real person or a figment of your imagination?

 

[Capt. Lucky]

Who are you quoting here, a real person or a figment of your imagination?

Complete imagination dedicated to 20 meet and greet logs I've read where every question you ask is very important to Broadsword when they know full well they're never going to touch it again ever.