Blatant scripter online 24 hour in gold ele room, Atl

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Oh the irony that will come from this awful advice.

That moment when you are banned for luring on an 'afk scripter'. Make sure you have a camera handy so you can post your face when it happens. It'll probably look something like this

Not gonna happen. The ban, that is.
Been awhile since i've been to Tram Despise on Atlantic, but last time i was, there was a guild there called AND? that would intentionally kill other players with the Despise "Pets" so they could run a monopoly on the Despise Artifacts. This made them more money than farming Power Scrolls from Barracoon in Fel Despise. They did this for well over a year, getting paged on literally hundreds of times by scores of people, and they never once got banned despite it being a direct violation of the Physical Harassment ToS.

 

[Fizzleton]

Not gonna happen. The ban, that is.
Been awhile since i've been to Tram Despise on Atlantic, but last time i was, there was a guild there called AND? that would intentionally kill other players with the Despise "Pets" so they could run a monopoly on the Despise Artifacts. This made them more money than farming Power Scrolls from Barracoon in Fel Despise. They did this for well over a year, getting paged on literally hundreds of times by scores of people, and they never once got banned despite it being a direct violation of the Physical Harassment ToS.

This is exactly the point I want to make - Game-Staff not doing anything at all to enforce the game rules. Luring a dragon to a scripter - some sort of street justice - would not be necessary if the staff would take care of them. How difficult can it be to watch the situation (I assume staff might have superior powers ), to take video as a proof and sent the guys to jail for some days to reconsider their behavior? And if u find the same char doing the same sort of ******** again, BAM - char deleted, reconsider your behavior! And don't tell hogwash, we have the proof. This habit of ignorance is very difficult to understand.

 

[Uvtha]

Don't get offended by the ones that will chime in with defenses saying "how do you know it's a scripter". The same people do it in every thread, and they do it for a reason. They're no different than the people who constantly try to debunk ufo/nasa/etc videos on YouTube...because they have a vested interest in doing so....I'll leave that to everyones interpretation.

 

[Zosimus]

*laughs*

I'm still lol-ling about UO street justice comment. No offence to the poster who said it but it's so funny.

Scripters can script and not much done from the occasional one caught here and there. Kind of like a bald guy grows one hair here or there in a life time.

Lets go with Street Justice players... police the game but has no real Chief and thereis no punishment for the rules they break to fix the rules they are trying to enforce.


Ok quit street justicing on my toons please. Indonesia needs my business.

 

[Spock's Beard]

Hey I need a laugh today. Does anyone else want to post about how we don't know if that guy who sits there 24/7 is really a scripter? Or better yet post some nonsense about how I'll totallty get banned for luring on that scripter, as if that's a real thing that ever happens?

 

[MalagAste]

Hey I need a laugh today. Does anyone else want to post about how we don't know if that guy who sits there 24/7 is really a scripter? Or better yet post some nonsense about how I'll totallty get banned for luring on that scripter, as if that's a real thing that ever happens?

I don't know can you play 23/7 for days on end? Maybe he's just a strung out junkie.

 

[Merus]

Hey I need a laugh today. Does anyone else want to post about how we don't know if that guy who sits there 24/7 is really a scripter? Or better yet post some nonsense about how I'll totallty get banned for luring on that scripter, as if that's a real thing that ever happens?

I guess it really gets down to the nitty gritty definition of scripter. Is there some evidence that the character is performing some rote action. Stand AFK in a dungeon and relying on the game mechanics of auto-defend and life leech is not the same as scripting. People stand AFK in Luna all the time and no one seems to be up in arms. I'll readily admit to parking a character in blackthorns to use the same mechanics while I actively play on another screen... now I'm not there 24/7, but I could easily be there several hours if I'm out training a new pet or something... and I am not breaking any TOS by doing so. Is this guy breaking the TOS? Most likely he is by being AFK, but how do you ban him and not all the folks at Luna bank? I have seen little in this thread to show he is actually scripting something... Just my observation.

Just a quick edit, if he is actually issuing commands then it would be evidence of a script. Letting the pet auto-defend and kill would be different.

 

[Spock's Beard]

I guess it really gets down to the nitty gritty definition of scripter. Is there some evidence that the character is performing some rote action. Stand AFK in a dungeon and relying on the game mechanics of auto-defend and life leech is not the same as scripting.

You can tell yourself whatever you want, but if you don't see the executioner coming then you're going to get what you deserve.

People stand AFK in Luna all the time and no one seems to be up in arms.

I can't believe you typed this with a straight face.

 

[Merus]

You can tell yourself whatever you want, but if you don't see the executioner coming then you're going to get what you deserve.



I can't believe you typed this with a straight face.

Why can't you believe it... You may want to draw a distinction between leaving a character AFK in various places, but it's either ok or it isn't. Same thing with luring... You can't really say it's ok to lure in one instance but the other is not.

 

[Dot_Warner]

Standing AFK in Luna, not doing anything, isn't against the rules.

Standing AFK in Luna, running a script training a skill, is against the rules.

Standing AFK in a dungeon, autodefending against mobs, is against the rules as you are performing an action while unattended.

 

[Merus]

Standing AFK in Luna, not doing anything, isn't against the rules.

Standing AFK in Luna, running a script training a skill, is against the rules.

Standing AFK in a dungeon, autodefending against mobs, is against the rules as you are performing an action while unattended.

Actually they are ALL against the TOS, and it has nothing to do with the ability to autodefend. The rule says that you must be able to respond to a GM.

 

[Deraj]

Scripting isn't the problem. The game design is the problem. The gold elemental room shouldn't exist.

 

[Gamer_Goblin]

Scripting isn't the problem. The game design is the problem. The gold elemental room shouldn't exist.

It doesn't exist. LOL

 

[Deraj]

It doesn't exist. LOL

I didn't say scripting doesn't exist. I said it isn't the problem in this case.

 

[Gamer_Goblin]

I didn't say scripting doesn't exist. I said it isn't the problem in this case.

I was teasing. You said the gold room shouldn't exist and I was saying it doesn't. Get it? It's a video game. Knee slapper. Funnier if you don't explain it. LOL

 

[Deraj]

Doh!

 

[Spock's Beard]

Actually they are ALL against the TOS, and it has nothing to do with the ability to autodefend. The rule says that you must be able to respond to a GM.

That's right folks, unless you ban everyone AFK banksitting in Luna, you have no choice but to accept this guy autodefending for arties in Blackthorn's for hours on end. Yep.

Uh huh.

Get out of here with this crap.

 

[Merus]

That's right folks, unless you ban everyone AFK banksitting in Luna, you have no choice but to accept this guy autodefending for arties in Blackthorn's for hours on end. Yep.

Uh huh.

Get out of here with this crap.

Funny, with your profile name I would have expected a logical response... Alas, profile names are rather superficial.

Please explain how the two actions are functionally different. Both the AFK player at Luna bank and in blackthorns dungeon are using preset game mechanics (not 3rd party programs) to their advantage to achieve a desired result. You think it's coincidence that people choose Luna to AFK all day? No... It's because the layout and design of Luna and the NPC there facilitate the AFK player from timing out. How is that functionally different that leaving a character AFK and relies on the auto-defend to keep the character alive and logged in? Neither character affects your ability to play... That is unless your just mad that they are in "your spot". An active player in any room in blackthorns can easily take every monster kill from an AFK player.

Now mind you, I have taken the position that BOTH are a violation of the TOS. I think if the GMs are going to enforce the TOS, it should be done across the board. My issue is with the idea that some people seem to want to pick and choose where and how the TOS are applied based on their own personal perception.

 

[Smoot]

People stand AFK in Luna all the time and no one seems to be up in arms. I'll readily admit to parking a character in blackthorns to use the same mechanics while I actively play on another screen... now I'm not there 24/7, but I could easily be there several hours if I'm out training a new pet or something... and I am not breaking any TOS by doing so.

if you read tos it actually IS against it to go afk at all. its up to the gm to decide what action to take. if somoene paged on a banksitter, the GM would most likely take no action. if he came to some afk killing (not using script) its most likely he would take action if there was no response given when asked.

they both technically break tos, but there is a very big difference in how the situations would most likely be handled.

 

[Merus]

if you read tos it actually IS against it to go afk at all.

I know... That was my point...

I'm not AFK when I'm there, I'm just not active on that screen. I can see my character and respond to a GM if needed... But it would be easy to assume I am AFK because it looks just the same.

 

[Lord Frodo]

This is the current TOS found on UOs web site at the bottom http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ could you please show us where standing anywhere in UO and doing nothing at all is against the TOS. This has come up time and time again and I think you will find out that being AFK in itself IS NOT against the TOS but if you do anything at all then yes you are breaking the TOS. To do what that player is doing with the Gold Els breaks both of these rules plus probably others
"- Use or distribute unauthorized "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.
- Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools."
Auto Defending is against the rules but just standing there is not.

And from this page http://help.ea.com/en/article/ultima-online-service-rules-of-conduct/ from Ultima Online Service Rules of Conduct this is the part you are trying to use but you fail to include all of the rule.
You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you.
You are leaving out the performing part out, standing AFK IS NOT performing any skill, text or action.

 

[Merus]

This is the current TOS found on UOs web site at the bottom http://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/ could you please show us where standing anywhere in UO and doing nothing at all is against the TOS. This has come up time and time again and I think you will find out that being AFK in itself IS NOT against the TOS but if you do anything at all then yes you are breaking the TOS. To do what that player is doing with the Gold Els breaks both of these rules plus probably others
"- Use or distribute unauthorized "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.
- Use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools."
Auto Defending is against the rules but just standing there is not.

Auto defending is NOT against the rules. There is nothing wrong with the fact that my character hits back against anything if it is attacked. There is no 3rd party software of any kind used to do it, UO is programmed that way! Take your warrior down to any dungeon until a monster targets you... then just watch. Are you breaking the TOS when that monster reaches you and you swing back? Time and time again the GMs and Dev's have said that you must be available to respond to a GM if prompted.

http://help.ea.com/en/article/ultima-online-service-rules-of-conduct/
Number 6 in the list.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Auto defending is NOT against the rules. There is nothing wrong with the fact that my character hits back against anything if it is attacked. There is no 3rd party software of any kind used to do it, UO is programmed that way! Take your warrior down to any dungeon until a monster targets you... then just watch. Are you breaking the TOS when that monster reaches you and you swing back? Time and time again the GMs and Dev's have said that you must be available to respond to a GM if prompted.

http://help.ea.com/en/article/ultima-online-service-rules-of-conduct/
Number 6 in the list.

Reread above post and yes if in fact you are not there and you auto defend you are breaking the rules. You may not perform any skill, text or action while unattended. So auto defending while unattended is in fact against the rules.

 

[THP]

this as been happening from day1 of the gold room i guess

 

[Merus]

Reread above post and yes if in fact you are not there and you auto defend you are breaking the rules. You may not perform any skill, text or action while unattended. So auto defending while unattended is in fact against the rules.

I don't mean to pick on you, but you really should get a better understanding of what the rules say and the game mechanics involved. Auto-defending does not break the rules, being AFK does. You can auto-defend all day long so long as you can respond to a GM. But you realize that auto-defending doesn't technically qualify as being "active" right? You realize that an inactive character will time out and disconnect from the game right? Test this... Go to a very remote area... No spawn, no npc, no animals... Nothing. Then have a friend bring a pet out and attack you. Then have the friend tell the pet to stop. You will be auto-defending while the pet stands there... Then do nothing. After a few minutes you will time out. Ultima does not recognize auto-defending as "active" in this situation or in a dungeon.

So how does the guy AFK in the dungeon stay logged in or stay "active"? Guess what... He is abusing the same game mechanic that the AFK guy in Luna is abusing...

End of the day, if you are active (not timing out) then you must be able to respond to a GM.

 

[Fizzleton]

if you read tos it actually IS against it to go afk at all. its up to the gm to decide what action to take. if somoene paged on a banksitter, the GM would most likely take no action. if he came to some afk killing (not using script) its most likely he would take action if there was no response given when asked.

they both technically break tos, but there is a very big difference in how the situations would most likely be handled.

Yep - the banksitter is getting what reward for sitting? Game-time online? Title "most famous sitter of all"? Getting drops being afk = reward = punishment.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I don't mean to pick on you, but you really should get a better understanding of what the rules say and the game mechanics involved. Auto-defending does not break the rules, being AFK does. You can auto-defend all day long so long as you can respond to a GM. But you realize that auto-defending doesn't technically qualify as being "active" right? You realize that an inactive character will time out and disconnect from the game right? Test this... Go to a very remote area... No spawn, no npc, no animals... Nothing. Then have a friend bring a pet out and attack you. Then have the friend tell the pet to stop. You will be auto-defending while the pet stands there... Then do nothing. After a few minutes you will time out. Ultima does not recognize auto-defending as "active" in this situation or in a dungeon.

So how does the guy AFK in the dungeon stay logged in or stay "active"? Guess what... He is abusing the same game mechanic that the AFK guy in Luna is abusing...

End of the day, if you are active (not timing out) then you must be able to respond to a GM.

WHATEVER look up the word perform and read the rule you yourself used. It states that if you perform any skill, text or action then you must be able to respond to a GM. This in FACT IS what you are trying to say I do not understand "If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you." Now please tell me who does not understand what. UNATTENDED, that means you are not at your computer and you CAN NOT respond to a GM, auto defending IS AGAINST THE RULES. Just being AFK and NOT performing any skill, texting or action ATTENDED or UNATTENDED is not against the rules.

 

[Merus]

Yep - the banksitter is getting what reward for sitting? Game-time online? Title "famous sitter of all"? Getting drops being afk = reward = punishment.

Now you are applying your own perceived notion of value to something against the rules. Is the bank sitter burning off murder counts? So breaking the rules even if it doesn't hurt anyone else isn't ok unless you decide it doesn't provide "reward", then breaking the rules is ok? Why would someone leave a character at Luna bank for literally 20+ hours if there wasn't some reason behind it?

IMO, if we are going to enforce the rules, it needs to be equal and across the board.

 

[Merus]

WHATEVER look up the word perform and read the rule you yourself used. It states that if you perform any skill, text or action then you must be able to respond to a GM. This in FACT IS what you are trying to say I do not understand "If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you." Now please tell me who does not understand what. UNATTENDED, that means you are not at your computer and you CAN NOT respond to a GM, auto defending IS AGAINST THE RULES. Just being AFK and NOT performing any skill, texting or action ATTENDED or UNATTENDED is not against the rules.

Auto-defend is not performing an action though... THAT is what you don't seem to get. You really don't have any control over it... In fact you would have to actively perform an action to NOT do it.

Again, being AFK is the issue, not auto-defend. You CAN NOT stay logged into UO if you are inactive. So how do you justify action against someone using the EXACT same game mechanic to remain logged in solely based on location?

 

[Captn Norrington]

Auto-defend is not performing an action though... THAT is what you don't seem to get. You really don't have any control over it... In fact you would have to actively perform an action to NOT do it.

Again, being AFK is the issue, not auto-defend. You CAN NOT stay logged into UO if you are inactive. So how do you justify action against someone using the EXACT same game mechanic to remain logged in solely based on location?

It's not just the auto-defend that is the issue, it is the fact that the person always automatically spams 2 macro's every single time they attack something, even when it is not needed. If it isn't a scripter, then why cast a spell to heal his dragon 500 times if the dragon never got damaged in the first place? That is the issue.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Auto-defend is not performing an action though... THAT is what you don't seem to get. You really don't have any control over it... In fact you would have to actively perform an action to NOT do it.

Again, being AFK is the issue, not auto-defend. You CAN NOT stay logged into UO if you are inactive. So how do you justify action against someone using the EXACT same game mechanic to remain logged in solely based on location?

You are totally clueless. AUTO DEFEND IS PERFORMING AN ACTION it does not matter how that action is performed it is the fact that an action was performed. You can stay logged in UO and be inactive alls you have to do is be in a place like Luna Bank. And before you go off on your whatever my char has been in New Haven doing absolutely nothing for well over an hour and is still log in and has broken no rules because I AM NOT PERFORMING ANY SKILL, TEXT OR ACTION WHAT SO EVER and no I am not working off any murder counts, he is a oh so bad crafting mule. Maybe you should learn the mechanics of UO and the rules that govern it and not to be disrespectful but maybe you should use some basic english skills when interpreting a sentence and understand the verb PERFORMING.

 

[Merus]

It's not just the auto-defend that is the issue, it is the fact that the person always automatically spams 2 macro's every single time they attack something, even when it is not needed. If it isn't a scripter, then why cast a spell to heal his dragon 500 times if the dragon never got damaged in the first place? That is the issue.

You are absolutely correct for the example of someone issuing commands and casting spells... But then the issue really shouldn't be about AFK or attended... It should be about using an unapproved 3rd party program to automate game play...

However, it would be rather hard to prove... And I mean prove, not logically conclude... It would be easy to set a 1 key macro in UOA that would call the pet and cast heal on it. Consider many bank macros that also call guards... Why would you need to call guards just to open the bank... Why would you need to heal the dragon to call it? Might be just the way you set the macro.

Does it make sense that you would sit there ALL day long performing the same action, of course not. It is easy to logically conclude that there is a script involved... But based on Mesanna's own comments, if they are attended, then it's gonna fly. And to a certain degree I agree with it. As evidenced by some of the other discussion in this very thread, it can be too easy to assume someone is doing something illegal just because you don't understand the game mechanics behind it.

 

[Merus]

You are totally clueless. AUTO DEFEND IS PERFORMING AN ACTION it does not matter how that action is performed it is the fact that an action was performed. You can stay logged in UO and be inactive alls you have to do is be in a place like Luna Bank. And before you go off on your whatever my char has been in New Haven doing absolutely nothing for well over an hour and is still log in and has broken no rules because I AM NOT PERFORMING ANY SKILL, TEXT OR ACTION WHAT SO EVER and no I am not working off any murder counts, he is a oh so bad crafting mule. May you should learn the mechanics or UO and the rules that govern it and not to be disrespectful but maybe you should use some basic english skills when interpreting a sentence and understand the verb PERFORMING.

I'm gonna end debating with you man. Clearly you don't understand what "action" you are performing to stay logged in... and I just don't have the energy to explain it to you. Best of luck.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I'm gonna end debating with you man. Clearly you don't understand what "action" you are performing to stay logged in... and I just don't have the energy to explain it to you. Best of luck.

 

[Spock's Beard]

I'm gonna end debating with you man. Clearly you don't understand what "action" you are performing to stay logged in... and I just don't have the energy to explain it to you. Best of luck.

I'd have more respect for you if you just called yourself a cheater and laughed about it. This **** where you try to act like it's the same as sitting in Luna is just pathetic.

 

[Merus]

I'd have more respect for you if you just called yourself a cheater and laughed about it. This **** where you try to act like it's the same as sitting in Luna is just pathetic.

I'm not cheating at anything... Game mechanics aren't my doing, and it isn't my fault other people don't understand them.

What is it about Luna that keeps you logged in vs places where you time out? Do you know? I do. It is the same mechanic that keeps you from timing out in certain places in dungeons. I'm sorry if you don't understand it, but it is the same.

 

[Spock's Beard]

I'm not cheating at anything... Game mechanics aren't my doing, and it isn't my fault other people don't understand them.

What is it about Luna that keeps you logged in vs places where you time out? Do you know? I do. It is the same mechanic that keeps you from timing out in certain places in dungeons. I'm sorry if you don't understand it, but it is the same.

The guy sitting at Luna isn't trying to score free artifacts without having to do anything. You're exactly like the cheaters everyone hates, but you want to go "Hey technically I didn't even need to run a script to farm loot AFK!" and expect people to act like that somehow makes you better than the scripter. It's a bad joke.

 

[Merus]

The guy sitting at Luna isn't trying to score free artifacts without having to do anything. You're exactly like the cheaters everyone hates, but you want to go "Hey technically I didn't even need to run a script to farm loot AFK!" and expect people to act like that somehow makes you better than the scripter. It's a bad joke.

Where in any post of mine have I claimed to do anything AFK? I have merely pointed out that IMO people who are AFK should all be treated the same way under the rules of the game. Yes, I do disagree with applying them selectively. If it is abuse of the game mechanic to circumvent the inactive timer thereby allowing you to remain I game I don't really care where you are.

 

[Spock's Beard]

Is there anyone reading this who thinks going AFK in Luna is "abusing game mechanics" while parking yourself in a dungeon with no input for hours on end to get free arties is not? Anyone? This is the most insane garbage I've ever seen anyone post here, and the way you keep repeating it like it'll start making sense if you just say it enough times makes me feel embarrassed for you.

 

[Merus]

Is there anyone reading this who thinks going AFK in Luna is "abusing game mechanics" while parking yourself in a dungeon with no input for hours on end to get free arties is not? Anyone? This is the most insane garbage I've ever seen anyone post here, and the way you keep repeating it like it'll start making sense if you just say it enough times makes me feel embarrassed for you.

Gotta love the situational ethics here. To each there own I guess.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Is there anyone reading this who thinks going AFK in Luna is "abusing game mechanics" while parking yourself in a dungeon with no input for hours on end to get free arties is not? Anyone? This is the most insane garbage I've ever seen anyone post here, and the way you keep repeating it like it'll start making sense if you just say it enough times makes me feel embarrassed for you.

Only the person that is trying his/her best to justify his/her way of cheating as being the same as a bank sitter or why else would he/she be so adamant about calling it the same.

 

[Dot_Warner]

 

[The Craftsman]

Is there anyone reading this who thinks going AFK in Luna is "abusing game mechanics" while parking yourself in a dungeon with no input for hours on end to get free arties is not? Anyone? This is the most insane garbage I've ever seen anyone post here, and the way you keep repeating it like it'll start making sense if you just say it enough times makes me feel embarrassed for you.

You are absolutely correct.

Anyone who goes AFK at Luna is not looking to exploit any game mechanic whatsoever. Someone who goes long term AFK in a dungeon, in a strategically chosen spot, is doing so with the sole intention of exploiting a game mechanic for gain. There is no comparison between the two.

 

[The Craftsman]

10 hours ??? Life's too short ...

 

[Dot_Warner]

Deleted to keep the universe from imploding.

That's just sick...

 

[Merus]

You are absolutely correct.

Anyone who goes AFK at Luna is not looking to exploit any game mechanic whatsoever. Someone who goes long term AFK in a dungeon, in a strategically chosen spot, is doing so with the sole intention of exploiting a game mechanic for gain. There is no comparison between the two.

But see, here is the issue... your determination of the cheating is outcome based. UO has a built in function to deal with inactive characters... one that would time them out after a couple minutes. The game mechanic that allows the AFK guy in the dungeon to circumvent the timeout and remain active and killing is the same mechanic that people are using in Luna to stay logged in. You judge the act based on its outcome... that is a very selective application of the rules... THAT is what I am against. I have not advocated that we allow the AFK, I have advocated that we get rid of all of it. I disagree with the line of thinking that breaking the rules is OK as long as the result is deemed minor.

And incidentally, yes, people do use Luna for its strategic value when they go AFK. They don't go AFK in other places because they will get timed out.

 

[Smoot]

But see, here is the issue... your determination of the cheating is outcome based. UO has a built in function to deal with inactive characters... one that would time them out after a couple minutes. The game mechanic that allows the AFK guy in the dungeon to circumvent the timeout and remain active and killing is the same mechanic that people are using in Luna to stay logged in. You judge the act based on its outcome... that is a very selective application of the rules... THAT is what I am against. .

a heads up, almost every governments legal system functions according to this. its nothing out of the ordinary that it holds the same function in a game. its all outcome based, thats just how reality is.

 

[TimberWolf]

Standing AFK in Luna, not doing anything, isn't against the rules.

Standing AFK in Luna, running a script training a skill, is against the rules.

Standing AFK in a dungeon, autodefending against mobs, is against the rules as you are performing an action while unattended.

Yes you are standing in luna afk...you are burning counts my blood thirsty Biotch.....all three are technically a violation...but Mes doesnt care!!

Script away.... end of debate!

 

[Merus]

a heads up, almost every governments legal system functions according to this. its nothing out of the ordinary that it holds the same function in a game. its all outcome based, thats just how reality is.

I disagree... Governments may look at different scenarios and define some as legal and some as not... But rarely do they define something as illegal then decide to ignore some who break the law simply based on the outcome... Does it happen? Sure... But I would oppose it in the real world too.

You hear this same line of thinking about scripting too... Well it's ok to script if you're just training skills, but not to cheat in pvp... Or it's ok to script loot because the EC can do it... It goes round and round...

The rules have been made and IMO selective enforcement of them has just led to more bold and brash flaunting of them. As I said before, the game has an automatic feature to detect inactive accounts and time them out. People figured out a way around that in order to remain active... And nothing was done. You can find people on virtually every shard opening sitting AFK while the character remains active and nothing gets done. Now people have taken that same mechanic and figured out how to use it in other places. No 3rd party programs, no batteries on keyboards, just straight up AFK, just like they do in Luna... It isn't fighting the monster that keeps them logged in! Just fighting the monster they would still time out. I say fix the mechanic that lets ALL of them be AFK. But obviously we have some folks that are very attached to their AFK time in Luna.

 

[Smoot]

I disagree... Governments may look at different scenarios and define some as legal and some as not... But rarely do they define something as illegal then decide to ignore some who break the law simply based on the outcome... Does it happen? Sure... But I would oppose it in the real world too.

i would beg to differ, but dont want a huge philosophical arguement.

example:
you have an unlicensed concealed, illegal firearm on you. but you dont do anything with it. your breaking the law but most likely nothing will happen.
Now if you use that illegal gun for anything, your much much more likely to be charged.

Same thing for drugs / alcohol.
Police dont go around random drug testing people off the street (they do occasionally for alcohol checkpoints tho), outcomes determine if those drugs (or alcohol)

First thing that happens when a workplace accident, death, car accident, etc etc occurs is they check for drugs / alcohol (something that is hardly ever checked for if there nothing that occurred.

its same thing for the game.

you do something technically illegal (afk banksitting) but nothing comes about from it. nothings gonna happen.
you do this while in a dungeon, with high possibility someone will report you and youll be observed by a GM, much better chance youll be given a mark on your account.