Cross Shard Voting

[Kirthag]

Smoot... would you have time to be gov on 5 shards.... and actively participate with people and attend all the meetings and such?

Personally... I play actively on 3 shards. I'd like to have my vote count on each of those shards as yes, I am involved in them.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

In principle, absolutely, In practice when you have a totally flawed and corruptible system, with no controls on how it is abused.... no.

The one character one vote argument is perfect if people have characters they 'play' as citizens of a town and have some investment in those characters - it all falls over when a mass of people regard their 'characters' as ways of making in-game cash, so sell their 'votes' for what they regard as profits - the thing is, when you have a sandbox allowing all styles and approaches to how you play, some things that we might not like much are just as legal and valid a playstyle as any others, and when those styles clash in something like an 'election' system where in-game benefits from town buffs, and ego boosts from status gained or simply being able to claim the nonsensical notion that some guild 'owns' a shard by getting all the Governor posts..... it all rather goes to hell.

Okay I'm not going to derail this thread. The actions of that guild was another in a long list of BS perpetrated by them. PM me and we can discuss more in depth their actions.

You mention legal and valid "playstyle" that we may not like. Okay that whole "That's my Playstyle" BS, that horse has been so freaking beat to death its a pile of bone meal! That excuse has been used to justify so many behaviors in game that would get you punched in the face in the real world. Remember Evil Lord Smurfy? Well thanks to his widely publicized shenanigans, Mesanna end up instituting game fixes to put an end to his shenanigans! Then he comes on here(Stratics) screaming that Mesanna is trashing his playstyle!?!?
The reality is he had NO ONE but himself to blame, because he posted and bragged of his misdeeds on his website.

So the reality is that those who continue to "trash" the elections could easily find themselves nerfed right out of existence or the whole Governor thing removed from game all because some people think its their "GOD GIVEN RIGHT" to profit off UO. You pay to play a game, you wanna make money go get a real job.

I'll get off the soap box now so someone else can use it.

 

[Giggles]

That is all...

Sorry I couldn't stop myself. *smokebomb*

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

That is all...

Sorry I couldn't stop myself. *smokebomb*

ROTFLMAO!!!!

 

[Lord Frodo]

So the reality is that those who continue to "trash" the elections could easily find themselves nerfed right out of existence or the whole Governor thing removed from game all because some people think its their "GOD GIVEN RIGHT" to profit off UO. You pay to play a game, you wanna make money go get a real job.

Please explain to me how the hell someone can make money off of being a Governor of a make believe town in an online game. Do they get paid billions in gold that they turn around and sell. You yourself said this was a game and you seem to be very disturbed about a make believe political post in a make believe town all in an online GAME. Maybe Mesanna should do away with this part of UO before people get themselves committed for real. New clothing "straight jackets"

 

[Aurelius]

You mention legal and valid "playstyle" that we may not like. Okay that whole "That's my Playstyle" BS, that horse has been so freaking beat to death its a pile of bone meal! That excuse has been used to justify so many behaviors in game that would get you punched in the face in the real world. Remember Evil Lord Smurfy? Well thanks to his widely publicized shenanigans, Mesanna end up instituting game fixes to put an end to his shenanigans! Then he comes on here(Stratics) screaming that Mesanna is trashing his playstyle!?!?
The reality is he had NO ONE but himself to blame, because he posted and bragged of his misdeeds on his website.

So the reality is that those who continue to "trash" the elections could easily find themselves nerfed right out of existence or the whole Governor thing removed from game all because some people think its their "GOD GIVEN RIGHT" to profit off UO. You pay to play a game, you wanna make money go get a real job.

I intensely dislike many things that are going on in UO, personally I think so many aspects of this game have been allowed to deteriorate I've reached the point where I am leaving - but no matter how much you call that opinion 'BS' the point is the people who run this game ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN all the damn time, so it is a 'style of playing' whether you and I like it or not.

They refuse to clamp down on any of the nastier, antisocial and offensive tricks going on, of which the election abuses are only a very minor part. I never talked about any past people in particular, or any guilds, and have NEVER profited from anything in this game apart from the fun of playing and the friends I have made , and if you think my statement is wrong, please make a sensible argument that is not a way some people are playing this game now - but please don't insult me by shouting that my argument is 'BS' without any reasoning why or imply I make 'excuses' for this garbage by calling it what it is - a way some people choose to, and are allowed to, play the game. As for Mesanna's 'fixes' - as usual they managed not to fix the core problem, or address the things going on.

I also question the suggestion that "reality is that those who continue to "trash" the elections could easily find themselves nerfed right out of existence". I am convinced 'reality' is that at most we will hear some more empty words about how much people 'care'. Maybe they 'could' be removed, but experience suggests they won't be. Again, if you disagree - show me why, because I have seen no convincing evidence to counter that view, and the 'reality' I've experienced is nothing will be resolved, ever.

We can't see exactly who did what and why, so I'm not going to claim that anyone in this thread did anything wrong in these particular cases- I simply cannot know - but we surely have seen enough examples by now that the people who could see when things are being done that damage the game and spoil many players enjoyment of it, and who can put a stop to the nastier stuff, do not understand the issues we keep raising, apparently never even look into what's happening, or are not competent to effectively act to clear things out - yet find endless excuses why they always "can't" keep this vital part of the bargain with us.

I'm too damn tired of watching what was a great game and mostly brilliant community get run into the ground by inept and bumbling 'management'. Games have to be fun to be worthwhile, but for me fun has been slowly drained out of Sosaria by people repeatedly failing, over years, to see the implications of their decisions or totally misunderstanding what the game is meant to be, and remains capable of being.

 

[Spock's Beard]

so your saying that a persons gameplay should be artificially limited to only 1 shard when were provided with over 20? if im running for governor, i think its only fair that i should have the option to vote for myself on every shard i run on.

Ideally I wouldn't even let you run on more than one shard. Furthermore, the idea that we should be content with leaving the election system as a bought-up sold-out laughable pile of garbage for all eternity because a few of you special snowflakes can't bear to pick one "main" shard is asinine.

This reminds me of when the devs first floated the idea of an in-game vendor search and all the snowflakes started crying that it would hurt their precious "immersion" too much, and screw everyone else forced to either click vendors for hours or use a gold seller's search site. "I don't care if the existing terrible system stays terrible forever as long as I personally am not affected in any way."

 

[MalagAste]

Here is the Honest to goodness truth as I see it...

First off 99% of the people who play UO haven't even got clue one about the Governor system... Many still think that you in some way "Get" something for being Governor. Well let me squash that right now... What you "Get" for being the Governor is a VERY temporary title that once the Election period is done and you've served your time... GOES AWAY. It is not permanent and it will NEVER read "Former" Governor of XYZ. Secondly you don't actually do much of anything that anyone else in the game can't do save be the one who chooses the Trade Deal for your city and your city ONLY .... Something which totally is NOT a privilege but a CHORE. You have to decide which trade deal to do... this can piss off some and make others very happy... Though most folk don't give a damn. And don't forget that you "can" give other players a Title... Though it's been my experience that almost NO ONE gives a damn about that either... so you won't be doing that very often. Other than that you are expected to do some sort of Event for your shard periodically... Which ANYONE can do by contacting the PEC and asking to do an event. So again it's nothing special. And Finally you are expected to attend meetings with the King and tell the King what's going on in your city... More often than not and on I'm sure 99% of the shards there isn't a damn thing going on at all... No monument in your honor will EVER be erected no matter how long you serve as Governor... No record at all of your having been elected will be saved either.

Now some folk at least on my shard piss and moan that the "RPers" control the Governorships etc... Well you name me one other group that would even give a rats ass about attending a bunch of boring meetings like this... and I'll show you the biggest liars in the game. Truth is that if you aren't into the fiction of the game..... ie you don't RP along with it then you aren't going to give a rats about the meetings... and if you give a rats about the meetings and enjoy them and you don't think you are an RPer your LYING.

So why all the whining and fussing over who got elected? Does anyone really care? I mean really? Certainly I care about the City I represent... It's my home. I love my City and anyone on my shard will tell you that. LONG before there was such a thing of a Governor.... I was the Mayor. Elected by anyone who gave a rats about the city. Yes those who do live there and do RP there did elect me to be the Mayor... And so it was for many, many wonderful years. I'd still be the Mayor of Yew if this Governor thing hadn't come along.

Another misconception some folk have is that you in some way have some "say" in what happens either in-game or in your town or whatever... You don't. The EM may or may not choose to participate in your plot of whatever RP is going on but more often than not they stay out of it. At least on my shard. Once upon a time they tried to have more of an interaction with us but someone cried that it was "unfair" and that doing things with the RP community was "Favoritism"... So now to not be accused of "playing favorites"... they stick to a very boring script and don't interact hardly at all... You could tell the King that you have decided to allow Slavery in your town or something and he'd just go.... Ohh.... Ok.

Now in my opinion when the whole thing first started I thought this was going to be a way to bridge between community and DEV's... To grow community... build on RP and expand the fun to everyone... I figured it was a wonderful way to get people interested in Role-play and towns and community... but what's it seems to be doing is having the opposite effect. Instead it's been hacked up and is now just a recap of what's going on at the EM events.... and I'll say at least on my shard that nearly NO ONE who isn't in RP even attends these meetings... Why? Well there aren't any drops.... no mobs to "fight" ..... and it's all just talking. There is no money to be made from attending.... so most those that criticize the events and RP community don't bother to attend. Instead they make up BS about what's going on and spread accusations about "Favoritism"... which totally is BS. And some think that talking to the King is talking to the DEV's and that they can "make" the King give them stuff or change things within the game.... another fallacy... the King is infact played by the EM's... he can't change how anything in the game works... he doesn't give you anything and he's not going to do anything much other than talk. You can ask the King for something during your time as Governor but they will tell you always that the EM's are not decorators so you can't get anything added to your city... Despite all the asking I've never gotten the Ankh in the Abbey to be a real usable Ankh... sadly..... I haven't gotten a bridge or teleporter or Ferry to the Yew Far Farm that lies across the bay... I got an office.. which everyone on every shard gets if they ask for it and turn in a bunch of things... I did get a bulletin board put up on the Abbey for people to contact me.... no one has ever used it and ANY Governor can get one of those upon request. The EM's will NOT spawn things in your town... That is something you have to ask the PEC for... something ANY player can do ... you don't need to be Governor for that.

In all this time that I have been the Governor of Yew there have been only three "Victories" I would call it for the people of UO. That would be the LONG overdue stable added to Vesper and the Docks added to Yew and Minoc. Besides that I can't think of one single thing that the Governor system has done that was worth all this bickery...

Now that said I'll say this... if there is something of that nature that is being needed and overlooked then I do suggest that you speak out... as players of UO... because as a Governor your opinion has just as much clout as anyone else who isn't a Governor.

Oh..... and if people aren't doing the Trade Deals on your shard... Then the only other thing being a Governor does is make you POOR. Fronting a Trade Deal at 2 Million a week is EXCEEDINGLY expensive. And anyone who thinks that you get to do anything particularly awesome with the gold on that stone is smoking crack.

 

[Lady CaT]

Let citizens cast a vote for the trade deal each week and you probably wouldn't need a governor in most cities at all.

 

[Smoot]

Smoot... would you have time to be gov on 5 shards.... and actively participate with people and attend all the meetings and such?

Personally... I play actively on 3 shards. I'd like to have my vote count on each of those shards as yes, I am involved in them.

no. honestly id rather not even devote the time to 1 shard. ive done it before and it just wasnt something enjoyable at all. however, i brought up the 5 shard thing because thats the current system we have in place. If someone really does enjoy it, they have every right under how the devs have designed the current system to run, win, and vote on as many shards as they like.

under the current system, with trade deals basically saving a person hundreds of millions of gold in a high end suit, yes i think its reasonable for a devoted pvper to want to make sure his character are playable on every shard he or she frequents.

do i think the pvp / high end suit group should have been forever linked with an largely RP system? absolutely not. but its what we got and is now a very important part of UO just for the stat bonus.

 

[GarthGrey]

Let citizens cast a vote for the trade deal each week and you probably wouldn't need a governor in most cities at all.

There ya go !! No need for Governors after all, can we be rid of this farce now ?

 

[Kirthag]

Being a governor is, as MalagAste said, not really much of a privilege on any shard. However, I want to expand on this a bit.

Governors do have _some_ say in how things happen on their shard. Witness to fact the docks at Yew and Minoc - this was done by concerted efforts of the Governors across all shards. However, do not assume that this was done solely by the Governors' wills - it was a lot of lobbying to via the EMs to the devs that turned that out. Some of us used common sense (why have shipwrights if no can launch ship?) others used RP (need the docks for a navy to protect the shores around the Yew Prison from pirates wanting to rescue their cohorts). In any case, we proposed, we reasoned, we pushed (some cried) and lo! A change occurred.

In spirit, the governorship is a position of service. People who are elected act as the voice of their constituents - meaning they speak up for the people of their shard. They also rally the citizens of their respective cities for whatever deeds (or miss deeds) are needed for that particular city. How a governor actually goes about that is up to the individual gov. I reached out to the citizens of Yew on Napa so many times... and none showed. That contributed greatly to my retirement as gov - why be a governor of nothing? I shifted my attention from in-game to Stratics and that is where it is. I felt I could do more good for the community overall than to focus my time and resources on a non-existent portion of it.

Early on, the EMs did listen and work with the governors. For the most part they still do. Governors who are active within their community do tend to be RPers and thus, when they share with the king what is going on, well - of course it looks slanted in that way - for they are the ones who are speaking up. Now, get some "non-RP people" to take over a few city stones, then fine - they will bend the ear of "the king" and as such then the RPers will cry foul. Got news for all of you - despite how many thees and thous you use or not, we are all RPers. Anyone who does anything within any game plays out a certain role - be they the PKer or the Sosarian.

However a person gets into the position - it is done by popular vote. If a person is more popular, then so be it. Perhaps that popularity is by virtue of their activity or their campaigning. As the system stands now, that is something we have to accept.

A root issue with the whole thing is that yes, people who vote do have to claim citizenship and yes they have to have some level of reputation with said city - but that's it. There is no other investment. A character claiming to be a citizen of Yew, well, should LIVE within the vicinity of Yew, imo. Not have their castle over on Ice Island or their primary home in Luna. Should Yew be invaded, what harm is it to them and their private holdings? I've always disagreed with people living far from their city of choice and being able to vote there. If a person votes for a town, they better have roots in that town... and for UO that means a house.

So - maybe the devs should draw up lines on the map saying this part is for citizens of Yew, this part for citizens of Brit. Then players plop their houses and therein they can register to vote. Of course, as a citizen they get some city perks (this all goes back to my ideas on taxation for provinces and such - so won't get into that).

Can the system be changed now, this far into its existence? I doubt it. Maybe it can, and those that actually live within the province have more "weight" on their votes... meaning if you live on the New Magincia island, your vote actually counts two times whereas the person who lives on the mainlaind only counts once. Something like that.

The system was designed to get players more involved.... yes, the EMs have a "boring scripts" they use, but if more participation came from the players, they wouldn't have to be so boring. It all comes back to us players.


Now... if people just wanna play a pre-formatted game, they are in the wrong place. Go play those "guided MMOs" or a console game. That is not what UO is about.

 

[MalagAste]

I don't want to sound all negative about the Governorship or system but honestly people are getting their panties in a wad when really it isn't like being the Governor is all glitz, glamor and Fame.... it's WORK. If you do it like you should.

It's time out of your gameplay... to sit at meetings, time out to go check your stone and board... time in meeting with loyal Citizens to inquire about their needs. It's not just get elected and do nothing.

Many times one thing I find rather irritating is people will get themselves elected and then choose to do NOTHING. They don't even show up at the meetings with the King and if they think that's going to get support for them the next term well... at least on my shard I can say they are sadly mistaken.

As for living near the town... well that will never work. Anyone know anyone who actually lives anywhere near Jhelom? VERY few if any ever do. Moonglow has what maybe 4 or 5 citizens that might live there on most shards.... On Atl maybe 10 12? I think Jhelom can only have maybe 6 on a good day. The trailerpark of Magincia can beat both of them.... now that says a lot.... prior to it's total destruction.. (I for one seriously miss the REAL Magincia)..... it could have 3 on a great day. Minoc and Vesper somewhat share theirs.... Britain has a few Skara Brae has some..... Yew would probably have the most... And what of all those people that live between Yew Cove and Minoc? How do you count that??? My town lies there... I want to claim a spot on the council with Newcastle Township... but we don't get a say there. I can send a representative to the meetings.... but we have no more say than anyone else either.

Truth is it takes a whole lot of work to get the things we have gotten ..... the Stable and the two docks... and for those I count them as a Victory for the people of UO. I personally would like to see more of that. I still want my Bridge to the Yew Far Farm... or a teleporter or a Ferry... I feel bad for the farmers who live out across the bay. I also lobbied to get an outdoor tavern or some such wine tasting area built on top of the Winery in Yew. That was denied as well. My current plea is to get the Ankh in the Abbey to allow our Chivalrous Citizens a place to Tithe. But I don't foresee that happening either.

 

[Kirthag]

My current plea is to get the Ankh in the Abbey to allow our Chivalrous Citizens a place to Tithe. But I don't foresee that happening either.

I've begged for that to happen time and time again as well.

Insofar as deco-ing the winery... several shards had that done prior to Trammel so is on Fel... some shards are deco'd in Tram... but as for making it completely static (and thus, the same) on each shard, I'd be against that.

Things that can be static across all shards - remember - that was one of the stipulations.



Anyhoo, I agree, being governor is a service to the shard that should be taken seriously.

 

[MalagAste]

I've begged for that to happen time and time again as well.

Insofar as deco-ing the winery... several shards had that done prior to Trammel so is on Fel... some shards are deco'd in Tram... but as for making it completely static (and thus, the same) on each shard, I'd be against that.

Things that can be static across all shards - remember - that was one of the stipulations.



Anyhoo, I agree, being governor is a service to the shard that should be taken seriously.

Oh I wouldn't want it to be the same on every shard that is for sure! But I think if a Governor wished to have something like that put in..... or if you wanted to use and decorate say the Councilors guild hall which is empty in many towns for something like that then it should be something that could be done but might be undone or redone by the next Governor should they decide to "redecorate".

I can't even tell you the countless hours I've spent in Yew...


One suggestion I have is that when the nominations begin then the Trade Ministers should stop accepting any random "Donations" and ONLY accept Trade Deals until the end of the Election at which they would turn back on. This way if someone wants to vote and become loyal somewhere they have 2 weeks to pound out some Trade Deals for their city and earn it.

 

[Thom]

I would have no issues with them turning off the gain of loyalty during the week of voting, maybe even the week of nominations as well. In all seriousness it's three or four weeks out of the year... and it's no surprise when elections happen. This would allow those that play multiple shards the ability to vote on shards they actually play, players of each shard the chance to vote in the election they want, and curb the cross shard voting. It would kill the vote buying/selling unless people took the time to gain that loyalty before elections started.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I don't want to sound all negative about the Governorship or system but honestly people are getting their panties in a wad when really it isn't like being the Governor is all glitz, glamor and Fame.... it's WORK. If you do it like you should.

WELL SAID (tips hat).

 

[Merlin]

Another SHAMEFUL election in New Mag.

Ma Nerva got ripped off. What a load of crap.

 

[Zuckuss]

Please, let's keep this discussion about the voting system and not about individual elections.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Please, let's keep this discussion about the voting system and not about individual elections.

That is an outstanding idea but the problem is how this thread started in the first place. Here is post #1 for your viewing pleasure

of the things wrong with the election system,This has got to be the most disturbing thing there is. After watching 14 votes jump on the stone this election early Am. I can see this as a problem. I don't think people from other shards should be able to decide elections on shards they don't even play on.
I would like to have 1 vote per acct period. That will stop cross shard voting, or at least limit it to their one vote they should get. I am sure I am not the only one seeing this as a problem. So for the sake of vanity a player can run, manipulate a system, and win. Regardless of what the actual players on the shard may want. Sounds familiar? no mud slinging or name calling please, lets keep responses simple so as not to get the thread locked prematurely. I want to see 1 vote per acct. period. You can use it on which ever shard you like. But only one.

This person is doing exactly what you are saying do not do. Talking about how they were disenfranchised by the current voting system and what is funny is the person she observed doing what she whined about came on here to set her straight.

 

[SunWolf]

The system was and is about trying to build a community. Councils and groups have always rped/ made towns home/ held events and meet new friends or people from them. This system was put in to encourage that again, least how I always seen it. It was very hard the first term or two, it was a job or gold sink. It gotten alot more easier as time went on. The docks and stable, is something else that the system kind of brought with it. People giving a voice on what they would like to see or feel the town needs. It happens when a group is coming together and forming something. Not just one governor asking for something. 20 voices are always louder than one big mouth. An Anke in the abbey would be nice for chiv, I have heard that asked a few times. Also in Yew, many do not know where the stablemaster is, some think there is none even.

As for the voting, I seen some real shadey stuff and was involved in some wars myself. People will do whatever it takes to win, no matter how many changes are put in place. Just do what you feel is right and continue on. Let them dig thier own hole, so to speak. The actions you do in game or what you say, past, present, future, always has impact and some will remember things aslong as they play.

 

[Herman]

That is an outstanding idea but the problem is how this thread started in the first place. Here is post #1 for your viewing pleasure
This person is doing exactly what you are saying do not do. Talking about how they were disenfranchised by the current voting system and what is funny is the person she observed doing what she whined about came on here to set her straight.

Pretty sure it was an example why the voting system should be changed and that should be ok so long she did not use any names what is not ok is that people trying to make her look silly she is known to make abit of drama here and there.... SO WHAT.... she is a nice person and we like her very much here on atlantic she would not be ma nerva if she did not cause a bit of drama

 

[Flutter]

People need to get this upset about the real life elections.

 

[Flutter]

On Siege at least, this has promoted pretty much nothing but self interest.

That is the case on production shards as well. It's pretty gross.

 

[Merlin]

People need to get this upset about the real life elections.

Not sure where you're from, but I'm pretty sure people do get a bit more upset over real elections than UO ones. Turn on the TV over the next 18 months and you probably won't be able to go more then 20 minutes without seeing election related coverage.

 

[Ashlynn_L]

People need to get this upset about the real life elections.

Oh I could tell you about plenty of real life political stuff that gets me riled up. However I don't know if you noticed but this is a forum about UO, not about real life politics. And it is actually OK for people to have strong feelings about topics relating to this game too.

My suggestion would be that add some sort of system where you declare shard loyalty much like you would declare town loyalty on a particular shard. I mean if you have to declare loyalty on a local level the why not make it global too.

 

[MalagAste]

Oh I could tell you about plenty of real life political stuff that gets me riled up. However I don't know if you noticed but this is a forum about UO, not about real life politics. And it is actually OK for people to have strong feelings about topics relating to this game too.

My suggestion would be that add some sort of system where you declare shard loyalty much like you would declare town loyalty on a particular shard. I mean if you have to declare loyalty on a local level the why not make it global too.

Wouldn't stop the last moment sale of votes.

 

[THP]

think i missed something ...a player as 50 accounts paid for....serious... wow... thats serious money... if they pay 50 accounts then they can get 50x6 votes.. and they desrve it too... crazy crazy...nobody as 50 active accounts...or do they.. i know some with say 10...tops... but 50.....nahhhh..

 

[THP]

pretty sure on the quiet shards 5-10 votes wins the deal...infact some town dont even get a governor...ksara

 

[MalagAste]

think i missed something ...a player as 50 accounts paid for....serious... wow... thats serious money... if they pay 50 accounts then they can get 50x6 votes.. and they desrve it too... crazy crazy...nobody as 50 active accounts...or do they.. i know some with say 10...tops... but 50.....nahhhh..

I have 12 and I know of 2 or 3 people with more than that.

 

[Zuckuss]

pretty sure on the quiet shards 5-10 votes wins the deal...infact some town dont even get a governor...ksara

We had towns with 200+ votes on Cats.

 

[TimberWolf]

so your saying that a persons gameplay should be artificially limited to only 1 shard when were provided with over 20? if im running for governor, i think its only fair that i should have the option to vote for myself on every shard i run on.

I agree completely with Smoot....the last days of this election I looked around and found many towns on many shards totally uncontested. I would rather have 1 seriously player hold 4-5 governor positions on 4-5 different shards then to have those posts sit empty.

The facts are the governors are needed to RP one evening a week and if you are lucky they run an event one evening a month! Most players have more than enough time to meet those requirements. Many present governors are no shows from election to election!
I would rather have one passionate person who cares....then 5 different losers who just want the title...or just want to beat that other "Biotch" then never show up or do anything of consequence!

I remember one recent no show last year.....who skipped a vast majority of meetings...only showing up the evening the EM was going to remove them to claim they were kidnapped or abducted...or some other crap!

The biggest problem with the election system is that it is a game based system....unfortunately many that play games passionately do so because they never grew up to begin with....we all know the win at all cost losers out there!

They are often associated with the same people that feel the need to make 20 different posts here a day, and "win" all those discussions too!

LOL

 

[Capt. Lucky]

I mostly play another game but I voted in your poll

 

[THP]

We had towns with 200+ votes on Cats.

and like i said some shards towns dont even get a governor

 

[Pandora_CoD]

I have 12 accounts. I also have guildies that each have 18 accounts, and 23 accounts, and 6 accounts, and 5 accounts, and 14 accounts. Soooooo no, ONE person does NOT (I repeat again) does NOT have over 50 accounts. But my guild collectively does because we own an RP city with many buildings for varying RP purposes. But they are not all active, we cycle them out every 3 months.

This past election I used 2 of my accounts to vote for my friend and guildie Armand and then my other 10 voted for my dear friends and allies in Vesper. My guildies each also voted in Moonglow with no more than 6 or 7 votes there. And that was the extent of our voting.

I did more for my city as the Countess I permanently am than the governor that fought me so hard last term did in the last six months. And that's always been the case; you don't need a title to do anything.

With the PEC now, we don't need governors except to set a buff. So let the pvp'ers have at it. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Pandy

 

[Smoot]

I have 12 accounts. I also have guildies that each have 18 accounts, and 23 accounts, and 6 accounts, and 5 accounts, and 14 accounts. Soooooo no, ONE person does NOT (I repeat again) does NOT have over 50 accounts. But my guild collectively does because we own an RP city with many buildings for varying RP purposes. But they are not all active, we cycle them out every 3 months.

This past election I used 2 of my accounts to vote for my friend and guildie Armand and then my other 10 voted for my dear friends and allies in Vesper. My guildies each also voted in Moonglow with no more than 6 or 7 votes there. And that was the extent of our voting.

I did more for my city as the Countess I permanently am than the governor that fought me so hard last term did in the last six months. And that's always been the case; you don't need a title to do anything.

With the PEC now, we don't need governors except to set a buff. So let the pvp'ers have at it. It's more trouble than it's worth.

Pandy

thats still enough accounts to offset any election. and there are in fact people with 50 or more accounts. theres one well known stratics poster, she has 50 as well as a well known house seller. he has 70... A good number of others with 50plus votes that can be accessed.

i have 2 accounts. seeing someone with 10 or more accounts is very discouraging to "average" players without that much resources, and one of the reasons if a person really wants to win they must campaign not to average players in game but behind the scenes and via icq. Ive said it before, i dont think voting should have ever been in the game for system and was flat out a bad choice by the devs. ive suggested other systems that actually promote healthy gameplay but wont get into those again will probably never happen. we will be stuck with what we have. whatever changes are made people will just have to adapt, seeing that in a game where multiple accounts can be had there is no such thing as a "fair" democratic election.

 

[Pandora_CoD]

i have 2 accounts. seeing someone with 10 or more accounts is very discouraging to "average" players without that much resources

What is discouraging is having people come to a shard they HARDLY if ever play in to offset votes and make entire guilds have to activate their house accounts in order to try to combat such behavior. What is discouraging is having those players come to a shard to grief someone else, to trash talk them, to insult them, and to call them names "just for fun". And I am not talking about someone pointing out facts, either. I am talking about books being left calling people names, and threats being left in mailboxes, and animal names that are meant to offend, and people stalking you just to put barrels at your recall spots, etc. etc. What is discouraging is having those players come to call our EM's names and hurl insults at them. NOW that's discouraging.

At least people like those in my guild or those in other guilds (I know plenty other guilds with access to MANY accounts, hell PGOH is one of them) actually PLAY in those shards, contribute to those shards, and the houses they build add to the RP of that shard.

 

[Smoot]

What is discouraging is having people come to a shard they HARDLY if ever play in to offset votes and make entire guilds have to activate their house accounts in order to try to combat such behavior. What is discouraging is having those players come to a shard to grief someone else, to trash talk them, to insult them, and to call them names "just for fun". And I am not talking about someone pointing out facts, either. I am talking about books being left calling people names, and threats being left in mailboxes, and animal names that are meant to offend, and people stalking you just to put barrels at your recall spots, etc. etc. What is discouraging is having those players come to call our EM's names and hurl insults at them. NOW that's discouraging.

At least people like those in my guild or those in other guilds (I know plenty other guilds with access to MANY accounts, hell PGOH is one of them) actually PLAY in those shards, contribute to those shards, and the houses they build add to the RP of that shard.

whether your directing this comment at me aside, im the first to admit i wasnt a stellar governor, but you also know its pretty common that "politics" turn ugly from overzealous types who arent actually even running.

im also the first to admit that the main reason i ran was because at the time i was playing cats regulary and was fed up at being blown off about the lack of reliable town bonus stats. before global loot these stats were even more needed than they are now.

i think i was one of the only governors that actually funded the stone 2mil reliably per week, plus added more gold to the stone for the next gov to be able to maintain a reliable town bonus. That in itself is all that most players other than a handful of rp types "need" governors for.

As i said before, i dont think it was smart of the devs to try to merge a heavy RP type system with a stat bonus, and gold needed for that stat bonus that pure RP types have no interest in.

That being said, the governor system is a successful, albeit extremely casual way for "part time RPers" to have some fun and have influence on a wide range of play styles.

P.S. i still play cats. i have a sampire, 2 event characters, a mage and a pvp archer.

 

[MalagAste]

whether your directing this comment at me aside, im the first to admit i wasnt a stellar governor, but you also know its pretty common that "politics" turn ugly from overzealous types who arent actually even running.

im also the first to admit that the main reason i ran was because at the time i was playing cats regulary and was fed up at being blown off about the lack of reliable town bonus stats. before global loot these stats were even more needed than they are now.

i think i was one of the only governors that actually funded the stone 2mil reliably per week, plus added more gold to the stone for the next gov to be able to maintain a reliable town bonus. That in itself is all that most players other than a handful of rp types "need" governors for.

As i said before, i dont think it was smart of the devs to try to merge a heavy RP type system with a stat bonus, and gold needed for that stat bonus that pure RP types have no interest in.

That being said, the governor system is a successful, albeit extremely casual way for "part time RPers" to have some fun and have influence on a wide range of play styles.

P.S. i still play cats. i have a sampire, 2 event characters, a mage and a pvp archer.

I agree with many of these points. I'm not going to fel and trying to dominate PvP... and honestly I probably only take the buff when I go to the townstone... which is fairly regularly. I have however funded the buff nearly the entire time Governors have been doing elections. I have 2 or 3 Fel folk who come about and have taken the time to ask me for a specific buff which I'm happy to give them... I don't always remember to go to the stone and select it but they are also pretty good at letting me know it's time to renew the buff. However now that it autorenews I haven't had to worry about it. I still RP as Governor of Yew and they enjoy the 1FC buff. I even have that listed on the board by the stone not that I think anyone ever looks at those boards but it's there. I can say that funding it has been a chore up until they gave us the Trade Missions. Now that folk are running several of those all the time I haven't had to put funds on the stone. And before that many of the Fel folk who wanted the buff were gracious enough to donate to it. So everyone was happy all around.

 

[Pandora_CoD]

Well I said it from the very beginning and people chastised me for saying it but Governorships are an RP system that should never have had a PvP stat bonus added to it. Those two communities have traditionally NEVER gotten along. Forcing cooperation between them was a HUGE mistake.

In my opinion the should add the city buffs to FELUCCA TOWNS and let them have a similar way to earn them --- like through VvV.

As for cross-shard voting. ESTABLISHED residency in a shard should be a prerequisite to being able to vote. And with the fix coming to the Virtue system, make it so that characters have to have a minimum amount of virtue for that city in order to vote. Vesper (or any other assimilated town) could be coupled with Minoc's virtue. We could couple up like that if any other towns get "added" to the kingdom.