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New Temp advice..

Chazztizer

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I want my archer back, is a sampire template workable? I am thinking no, but I am bored with the old archer chiv healing template. I am just wondering for PVM what would be a good start with a mythic token?
 

Zeke

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I have a Sampire Archer. Fun template to play. Can't do Spawns on him since no Whirlwind, but can do pretty much anything else in PVM.
120 Archery (115 + 5 Quiver)
120 Bushido
100 Tactics
100 Anat
100 Healing (since I don't need Parry)
100 Necro
100 Chiv (85 real and 15 on jewelry)

I use him for Events on Legends and never really have too many problems, specially with 4 ways to heal.
 

King Greg

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Can't do spawns? Get yourself a Hit Area effect Yumi, Fwap Fwap.

If you really want to change it up try going full necro archer.

120 Archery
120 Bushido
100 Tactics
100 Necro
100 Resist
80 Chiv
100 Spirit Speak

Spirit Speak for Curse Weapon, Wither, Corpse Skin, Animate Dead, Etc. Be Surprised how much damage you can still do with an armor ignore from a composite bow without Anatomy.
 

Lord GOD(GOD)

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I'd always recommend Throwing over Archery, 1 handed(pots), no ammo(weight). As a gargoyle you also get a free 5 HCI racial bonus and 2 MR.

& as NuSair said, Momentum Strike with Hit Area is awesome.
 
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TimberWolf

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I have a Sampire Archer. Fun template to play. Can't do Spawns on him since no Whirlwind, but can do pretty much anything else in PVM.
120 Archery (115 + 5 Quiver)
120 Bushido
100 Tactics
100 Anat
100 Healing (since I don't need Parry)
100 Necro
100 Chiv (85 real and 15 on jewelry)

I use him for Events on Legends and never really have too many problems, specially with 4 ways to heal.
I have a straight chiv archer and I can solo spawns ..take a 100% energy composite, with 50 hit energy area, and 30 ssi and the rest in Di + ML. Down to despise and watch the rats fly
 

Chazztizer

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I also have a chiv archer(which I do well with also) TimberWolf but he is on an account that I have chosen to let sleep for awhile, I was hoping to try something a little different so as to make the training a little less boring.
 

TimberWolf

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I think a sampire archer should work fine..... my archer takes a fraction of the damage my sword/sampy takes and I typically deal more damage. Actually it is seldom that I dont out perform the sampires at most champs. So ya an archer sampire would probably work great......next time I get bored....maybe I will make one
 

CorwinXX

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Stratics Veteran
Sampire archer compared to Classic archer :
+ life leach to heal a lot of damage (but with ranged char usually you needn't to heal much... using Healing skill is enough)
- can't heal when is running, is stunned, is frozen... and so on
- usually can't heal without mana (need mana for AI to do enough damage)
- can't fight monsters with anti-leach-aura

I had both sampire archer and classic archer, I solo'ed various monsters, and Sampire archer never was better. Sometimes Classic Archer was better, sometimes there wasn't much difference between them...
 

Ender

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Sampire archer compared to Classic archer :
+ life leach to heal a lot of damage (but with ranged char usually you needn't to heal much... using Healing skill is enough)
- can't heal when is running, is stunned, is frozen... and so on
- usually can't heal without mana (need mana for AI to do enough damage)
- can't fight monsters with anti-leach-aura

I had both sampire archer and classic archer, I solo'ed various monsters, and Sampire archer never was better. Sometimes Classic Archer was better, sometimes there wasn't much difference between them...
Except you totally can throw healing on a sampire archer.
 

TimberWolf

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Except you totally can throw healing on a sampire archer.
Then respectfully I would say it isn't a sampire. The key to being a sampire is to get virtually all of your healing from vampiric embrace. And using honor and bush skills to hit hard enough to make it viable
 

CorwinXX

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Except you totally can throw healing on a sampire archer.
sampire archer and classic archer are pretty the same except first has necro and second has Healing
to get Healing sampire archer need drop some skill
 

Ender

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Then respectfully I would say it isn't a sampire. The key to being a sampire is to get virtually all of your healing from vampiric embrace. And using honor and bush skills to hit hard enough to make it viable
Pretty sure just the use of vampiric embrace is enough... Would you say Baghdaddy didn't use a sampire even though he was the one that brought attention to it on this forum, just because he had healing in his template?
 

TimberWolf

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I am a huge fan of the baghdaddy1 posts.....that being said he wasn't playing the same game we are today. First there was the evasion nerf that significantly modified the original template.....then the was the necro nerf that imho made all of baghdaddy1 posts obsolete! ( highly enjoyable but utterly useless )

For me to be a sampire you need 2 qualifications you have maximum bush for specials moves and honor.... And you have a minimum of 99 necro for VE. I guess you could do that and add healing......but that would be a gimped up specialty template.

It is sad that so much of those original posts were lost....I remember daily reading all the posts and watching in aww as the templates were designed and modified. I laugh now when I look at his list of Artie's and the signifance he puts on the helm of insight :). It was a different time and a different game from what we play now.

I am also pretty sure he was the first to drop healing from his template when the necro nerf hit. But alas so much of that old classic content was lost or discarded.....
 

Tuan

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Stratics Veteran
Oh, the good ole days when you only needed 99 necro to CAST VE, not maintain the form. If we could still operate under those rules, you could get VE in today's game with... 40 necro from jewelry, 20 from the midnight bracers, 10 from a travesty, 10 from Ossian grimore, 5 from bloodwood spirit. That'd be a pretty awesome use of 14 skill points + 2000 gold per death for insurance.
 

Ender

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Oh, the good ole days when you only needed 99 necro to CAST VE, not maintain the form. If we could still operate under those rules, you could get VE in today's game with... 40 necro from jewelry, 20 from the midnight bracers, 10 from a travesty, 10 from Ossian grimore, 5 from bloodwood spirit. That'd be a pretty awesome use of 14 skill points + 2000 gold per death for insurance.
Nah you could get it with 0. Soulstones. Especially with no recharge time now.
 
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