none taken I wasn't being serious when I posted that lol
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Mesanna, any chance of a Siege style ruleset shard that we can transfer into?
I have to be honest, I agree with some of the players, we are not trying to make new shards. We have made a few exceptions that you are allowed a house on siege and a house on a production shard to bring in new players.
We would never make another shard with Siege ruleset that would be cutting off our nose to spite out faces. Not to mention all the headaches it would cause for the Developers when creating new systems. I know a lot of players has asked for a legacy shard. Even that is really difficult to do but if we were to do anything I would vote for that.
We would never make another shard with Siege ruleset that would be cutting off our nose to spite out faces. Not to mention all the headaches it would cause for the Developers when creating new systems. I know a lot of players has asked for a legacy shard. Even that is really difficult to do but if we were to do anything I would vote for that.
Now we got the answer no new shards.
A legacy shard would be awesome!
the thousands located on the most popular and longstanding freeshards. if you look at the numbers, close to 20,000 are on those alone. let alone the hundreds of random small ones that i'll admit probably arent that stable / longstanding but do account for more thousands of players the official servers have lost for one reason or another. it takes about 5mins on the web to look up these numbers. Given, not all of those players would be for full loot, or even full pvp zones, but percentage-wise the ones that are most likely greatly outnumber small amount of players on some of the shards with vacant luna plots.
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The thousands that wouldn't come back even if there were a classic shard, because why pay for something you already have for free, and also would likely be a different ruleset or whatever than they currently have?
agreed, but thats a whole other worthless stratics argument
it fun to talk about things like these but i think we can both agree that none of it will probably ever actually happen.LOL
I won`t say anything about the dozens that have been going for more than a decade..............
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The only ones that have been around that long are those with smaller populations than Siege or owned or run by untrustworthy individuals
I notice it's getting to the point that a free shard developer is now ddos attacking the competition.
For all the bad in the origin shards, it's much worse on the freeshards.
-Val'lyn
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I won`t say anything about the dozens that have been going for more than a decade..............
The only ones that have been around that long are those with smaller populations than Siege or owned or run by untrustworthy individuals
I notice it's getting to the point that a free shard developer is now ddos attacking the competition.
For all the bad in the origin shards, it's much worse on the freeshards.
-Val'lyn
Wouldn't another Siege shard just use Siege's new systems coding?
This would also fit the bill quite nicely, and make many happy as well, not to mention be malware free unlike some of these freeshards. Feelng a bit like a duck in a shooting gallery out there already.
Instead of making a New Siege why not post what you have on the shard you are leaving and see if anyone on Siege might be willing to trade with you. Make another list of things you feel you can't live without and offer to buy them. On my list is plain dresses I can never have enough, I collect them from all over, I horde them on LS and have found a few on Siege.
I have found that leaving behind a few items, or even a lot of items was well worth it for the friends and good times I have had on Siege.
I have found that leaving behind a few items, or even a lot of items was well worth it for the friends and good times I have had on Siege.
Wow, being totally uninformed doesn`t stop you from forming an inaccurate opinion and throwing out a blanket statement about your misconceptions now does it?
I dunno, I play every night and see/play with alot more people than you`ll ever see on Siege.
But please, carry on.
Please feel free to assume all you want. I spent the last 10 years playing almost all of the big free shards out there, including being a beta tester on a few of them. I started growing tired of them after Az's last adventure.
-Val'lyn
Yes but there's no point
Also as cool as a classic shard would be I don't think it would bring in any more subscribers.
I've never tried Siege - and I didn't play before trammel - but this is the very thing I don't understand about it. How can a new character ever "get geared up" if you're just going to get killed by established players and lose whatever gear you've worked for - then with no gear you can't even go out and kill monsters for more gold to replace it?
Siege doesn't have that bad problem that was nearly a showstopper for UO it's first few years. You may get dirtnapped by someone but they normally leave you your suit of armor I hear. Siege's wolves are not the ashats pre-tram fel was known for.
Give Siege a try. You can hunt monbats by the Moonglow Moongate to get gold. Most likely if you mention being new on General Chat, someone will give you some gear. Watch out for the Dark Wisps on the Fel facet though, they will attack you, kill you, and then camp the body. You see one, do an exit stage left Snagglepuss would be proud of.
Dark Wisps? The monsters or players by that name?
Define 'really difficult'.
There are dozens of free shards who seem to achieve the classic/legacy shard with little or no difficulty on a fraction of the resources that EA/Broadsword has.
It can be done, and its not difficult.
Yes it is very difficult because there was a thread about a classic shard and nobody could agree on which time frame to go with and then there were people that wanted things included that weren't even in UO at the time. If the UO Team made a Classic Shard I would bet you anything that half the people would pancake about it and the other half would want it modified to suit their desires. Also even if UO did a Classic Shard it would be a waste of time and money because it would not bring back players and divide the population even more. And yes I have been here for over 17 yrs so please don't tell me what it was like and that I don't know what I'm talking about.
I agree that it wouldn't bring back players in any significant numbers. Unless they went F2P as well in which case numbers would go through the roof.
As for how difficult it is to do a free shard I took Mesannas meaning as technically difficult, as EA have said this before which is just nonsense. As for which era you used it wouldn't be difficult to do a poll that defines the ruleset.
I assume than that you are a pvper Frodo?
And have been pvping recently?
It's not hard. Most people are not pks, and the ones there are are generally easy to avoid. Even when the population was higher and there were more roaming pks, it wasnt that hard. Gear isn't as good as prodoshards for anyone, mediocre suits work just fine.
Join a guild and its even easier.
The monsters.
Lol, Ok, I didn't know which
There were a couple of 1000 plus post threads arguing over what a 'classic' shard would have to be or the posters wouldn't play on it a few years back.
The simplest thing would be to just set up a prodo style shard that is all Fel ruleset with no insurance and make it so people can try it out and move there if they want. A shard with the risk a 'classic' shard would have but with all the current and coming game updates. Something very quick & easy for the Devs to make happen.
Prodo has gotten so safe and easy, even we Trammies are getting sick of it.
I don't play Siege but.... Didn't you literally just describe Siege?
You can't shard transfer your deco items to siege, which is what he wants to do. Siege players didn't like the ideas, so, we have this thread.
Ha! I thought exactly the same.
No, Siege has rule variations and some qualities that apparently prevent characters from transferring there. The shard I described would be the same as prodo other than being all Fel ruleset and not having Insurance. You would have 5 to 7 characters, be able to transfer in and out using Transfer Tokens, normal training (no RoT), no Siege bless, no *bleep!* Dark Wisps
, you could buy and sell with NPC shopkeepers as on prodo which you can't on Siege, the Vendor Search System would work as it does on prodo with all features working, and Recall would work. Might be more.People have complained UO is to easy, likely due to super gear and weapons, with no Insurance, people won't run around in overpowered gear meaning monsters will be more challenging again. Imagine going after a prodo monster designed to survive a while vs super armor and weapons using only low powered or GM crafted gear you can afford to lose due to no Insurance. Would be much more challenging.
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If you really want that kind of risk, you could always play a prodo shard and just not insure your stuff lol. you would get dry looted every time you die, but at least It would be exciting Mesanna has already said no earlier in the thread, there is simply nothing else that can done about it, if Mesanna says no, it's no. there's no one else to ask with the capability to do what you are asking.
Mesanna has already said no earlier in the thread, there is simply nothing else that can done about it, if Mesanna says no, it's no. there's no one else to ask with the capability to do what you are asking.
[QUOTE="Captn Norrington, post: 2541706, member: 165202" Mesanna has already said no earlier in the thread, there is simply nothing else that can done about it, if Mesanna says no, it's no. there's no one else to ask with the capability to do what you are asking.[/QUOTE]
Up in post #52 Mesanna said:
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Mesanna UO Producer | Dark OverLady VIP Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend
I know a lot of players has asked for a legacy shard. Even that is really difficult to do but if we were to do anything I would vote for that.
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A legacy shard would be really difficult due to all the changes from standard prodo, an all Fel ruleset no insurance but otherwise standard prodo shard wouldn't involve all those changes, and would give that Risk factor of a 'legacy' shard, no safe area. Any future prodo publishes would likely work on the new shard as is, needing no changes. Could draw a lot of people who left over insurance and the fact most people were playing only on the Tram ruleset facets where they can't be pked or stolen from.
From all the houses and foundations on Siege now that a second account house there was made possible shows that many don't mind the all Fel rules no insurance idea. Give them the option of an all Fel rules no insurance standard prodo shard they can take their already made characters to. Might bring back some people who are now playing all PvP freeshards and be a shard for prodo PvPers to gather on to hunt each other.
Up in post #52 Mesanna said:
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Mesanna UO Producer | Dark OverLady VIP Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend
I know a lot of players has asked for a legacy shard. Even that is really difficult to do but if we were to do anything I would vote for that.
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A legacy shard would be really difficult due to all the changes from standard prodo, an all Fel ruleset no insurance but otherwise standard prodo shard wouldn't involve all those changes, and would give that Risk factor of a 'legacy' shard, no safe area. Any future prodo publishes would likely work on the new shard as is, needing no changes. Could draw a lot of people who left over insurance and the fact most people were playing only on the Tram ruleset facets where they can't be pked or stolen from.
From all the houses and foundations on Siege now that a second account house there was made possible shows that many don't mind the all Fel rules no insurance idea. Give them the option of an all Fel rules no insurance standard prodo shard they can take their already made characters to. Might bring back some people who are now playing all PvP freeshards and be a shard for prodo PvPers to gather on to hunt each other.
This thread in general:
Mesanna's pulling a Calvin and saying anything that could be considered promoting the idea of a "Classic Shard:"
A "Classic Shard" isn't going to bring "thousands" back, nor is an all-Fel, full-loot, "wild, wild west" shard. (That's called Siege, btw) To see clear, compelling evidence of this, I suggest you rememher that Fel on every shard was depopulated July 12, 2002 - it has remained this way, more or less, for the last 13 years. The sheep have no intrest in entertaining the wolves. Even Siege, viewed objectively, is a dismal failure. Yet another alt-ruleset shard would only serve to split the focus of an already over burdened dev team.
Mesanna's pulling a Calvin and saying anything that could be considered promoting the idea of a "Classic Shard:"
A "Classic Shard" isn't going to bring "thousands" back, nor is an all-Fel, full-loot, "wild, wild west" shard. (That's called Siege, btw) To see clear, compelling evidence of this, I suggest you rememher that Fel on every shard was depopulated July 12, 2002 - it has remained this way, more or less, for the last 13 years. The sheep have no intrest in entertaining the wolves. Even Siege, viewed objectively, is a dismal failure. Yet another alt-ruleset shard would only serve to split the focus of an already over burdened dev team.
A 'classic' shard combined with F2P would bring players into UO in there tens of thousands.
F2P is the answer and a shard ruleset/style to suit everyone with the player base to go with it is completely feasible. RP shards, standard prodo shards, hybrid shards. Anythings possible if you go F2P and get the player base needed to sustain the game across multiple shards and rulesets.
The limits that are currently imposed on this game are solely due the the short sighted inflexible approach displayed by EA. UO in its current format is a dinosaur.
F2P is the answer and a shard ruleset/style to suit everyone with the player base to go with it is completely feasible. RP shards, standard prodo shards, hybrid shards. Anythings possible if you go F2P and get the player base needed to sustain the game across multiple shards and rulesets.
The limits that are currently imposed on this game are solely due the the short sighted inflexible approach displayed by EA. UO in its current format is a dinosaur.
I don't see thing game doing anything outside of the current parameters. Good in thought, not in application though.
I've tried 3 times to get started on Siege. Creating characters - easy enough. The community however, gridlocked. There are a few people that are friendly but compared to my experiences every other shard, even Japanese shards, Siege is cut throat, you have to know someone to get anywhere on that shard or spend years developing...
That is why I don't play it and to be fair, don't own a house either - for all you "house owner that don't call Siege home" haters!
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I've tried 3 times to get started on Siege. Creating characters - easy enough. The community however, gridlocked. There are a few people that are friendly but compared to my experiences every other shard, even Japanese shards, Siege is cut throat, you have to know someone to get anywhere on that shard or spend years developing...
That is why I don't play it and to be fair, don't own a house either - for all you "house owner that don't call Siege home" haters!
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I really never understood this. How do you need anyone to "get somewhere?" I don't understand how anyone is holding you back. I have never been in a guild on siege, and while I am friendly with as many people as I can be, really I played solo 95% of the time, and I never felt like I was at some disadvantage. Gearing up is very easy, finding a house is easy, finding items I want (deco or whatever) takes time, but not a big deal, I don't know what else but like I say, I never had any issues myself. Like legitimately i'm curious, cause I hear sentiments like this from time to time.
As for being friendly, chat seems to be fairly active, and most people seem more than willing to help out or answer questions... Unless there is some drama going on that everyone is wrapped up in, which can happen. Ill admit I have only played siege for at least 10 years, but on my short visits back to visit IRL friends who played in the past the prodo shards were much more unfriendly imo.