Spellweaving

[Lythos-]

Change the circle.

It takes WAY too long to get enough people for a 6. When I say way too long, im talking the quickest I've gotten one this week is 30 minutes. The longest has been over an hour at non prime time.

Suggestions:
-NPC hires that will stand on the circle. Charge 10-20-50k each one i don't care. I just want to freaking play.
-Guaranteed lvl 6 with only one person but focus duration scaled on how many show up.

 

[Sunseri]

When lacking skilled weavers to get a six focus, I have always stoned off my skill and called for a no-skill focus at wbb. Sometimes it's a faster way to get a focus.

 

[Merlin]

When lacking skilled weavers to get a six focus, I have always stoned off my skill and called for a no-skill focus at wbb. Sometimes it's a faster way to get a focus.

Who has the time to stone focus on and off on the fly though? It shouldn't be necessary to do that in order to get a focus.

Change the circle.

It takes WAY too long to get enough people for a 6. When I say way too long, im talking the quickest I've gotten one this week is 30 minutes. The longest has been over an hour at non prime time.

Suggestions:
-NPC hires that will stand on the circle. Charge 10-20-50k each one i don't care. I just want to freaking play.
-Guaranteed lvl 6 with only one person but focus duration scaled on how many show up.

Right on, right on. It's increasingly more difficult to get a level 6 focus. I like both ideas. 25K gold per NPC would be a decent gold sink. Have some "wandering weavers" around Brit Bank or something of the like.

 

[Sunseri]

Who has the time to stone focus on and off on the fly though? It shouldn't be necessary to do that in order to get a focus.

I agree it shouldn't be necessary but right now that's the only work-around to getting a lvl 6 focus. It doesn't take that long to do it after you get the people in the circle. Two recalls and dropping your stone in the bank and off you go.

 

[Mervyn]

If anything it's too easy, i think you must remain in the radius of the other spellweavers for the circle to remain in tact.

I never fail to get level 6 on Europa.

Here are some tips:
Don't do the circle in trammel as it excludes reds who might want to join the circle (brit bank is a guardzone anyway so no need to worry about being pked)
Have 100 spellweaving not 120, then you increase the catchment of the other spellweavers, a lot of spellweavers have around 80 spellweaving

 

[Lythos-]

When lacking skilled weavers to get a six focus, I have always stoned off my skill and called for a no-skill focus at wbb. Sometimes it's a faster way to get a focus.

I did that the other day. After 15min I managed to get one person to show up willing to wait with me. I called it a day and left. Again this wasn't "prime time". I have to play when I can.

 

[Poo]

let me get this straight...
you want them to make this easier, this spell that can last what.... up to 5-10 hours?
you want it to be easier to obtain, this spell that buffs up all your other spells yet requires 0 skill to obtain?
this spell that you once had to run into the Prism of Light to get a level 6 and THAT was too hard so they had to spoon feed you the circle at WBB, you want that to be easier?

to test this i just logged into Sonoma, stoned off my SW and went to WBB, i went into general chat and said "zero skill crystal WBB" and left 2 minutes later with my level 6 crystal.

thats the thing you want made easier?

well i guess since you asked nice and all, hell its not like it would give you an unfair advantage of making your spells more intense and last longer......

hmmm ya, i vote no.
its bad enough they put a circle at the bank to spoon feed all the weaker players but come on, you want the top levels of anything in this game you should have to break a sweat!

 

[Speaking the Truth]

let me get this straight...
you want them to make this easier, this spell that can last what.... up to 5-10 hours?
you want it to be easier to obtain, this spell that buffs up all your other spells yet requires 0 skill to obtain?
this spell that you once had to run into the Prism of Light to get a level 6 and THAT was too hard so they had to spoon feed you the circle at WBB, you want that to be easier?

to test this i just logged into Sonoma, stoned off my SW and went to WBB, i went into general chat and said "zero skill crystal WBB" and left 2 minutes later with my level 6 crystal.

thats the thing you want made easier?

well i guess since you asked nice and all, hell its not like it would give you an unfair advantage of making your spells more intense and last longer......

hmmm ya, i vote no.
its bad enough they put a circle at the bank to spoon feed all the weaker players but come on, you want the top levels of anything in this game you should have to break a sweat!

How does it buff up all your other spells and requires 0 skill? From a pvp stand point it only buffs heals, and it 100% requires skills as you can't cast arcane empowerment without it. Also if we're talking pvp you won't get that spell off due to the cast time.

Would it make you happy if you could get a level 5 and not a 6 without needing a bunch of other people? Those that play solo and are red have no chance of getting a circle. The argument that Britain is in guards doesn't work either because based on the time, the VvV city could be Brit and there would be no guards.

I agree with Lythos that it needs to be changed, and make sure it carries over in fel. Why is it that NO other skill in game requires a group of people and this one does?

In pvp it doesn't make ALL your spells more intense since their is a cap on the sdi. So I hate to burst your bubble but you're wrong.

It needs to be changed so solo players can use the skill. No other skill forces you to need multiple accounts/people to use.

 

[Lythos-]

let me get this straight...
you want them to make this easier, this spell that can last what.... up to 5-10 hours?
you want it to be easier to obtain, this spell that buffs up all your other spells yet requires 0 skill to obtain?
this spell that you once had to run into the Prism of Light to get a level 6 and THAT was too hard so they had to spoon feed you the circle at WBB, you want that to be easier?

to test this i just logged into Sonoma, stoned off my SW and went to WBB, i went into general chat and said "zero skill crystal WBB" and left 2 minutes later with my level 6 crystal.

thats the thing you want made easier?

well i guess since you asked nice and all, hell its not like it would give you an unfair advantage of making your spells more intense and last longer......

hmmm ya, i vote no.
its bad enough they put a circle at the bank to spoon feed all the weaker players but come on, you want the top levels of anything in this game you should have to break a sweat!

Spoon feed? I had to do a crap quest to get the right to even cast the spells. Then I had to pay a crazy amount of gold for a full spellbook or else spend weeks trying to farm the spells. On top of that it took forever to work this skill to 120 and it's all null and void if I can't get people off their butts to get a circle.

Fyi I could care less if the focus lasted 30min if it meant it were more reasonable to obtain. GJ getting a focus on a shard I don't play? GTFO with this crap.

 

[Lorddog]

ya poo it doesn't buff people with non-spellweaving (as far as I know)

best way right now is stone it and call in zero skill players.

I would like the advantage to hire npc but for each npc it shortens the time of the gem.

 

[Lythos-]

ya poo it doesn't buff people with non-spellweaving (as far as I know)

best way right now is stone it and call in zero skill players.

I would like the advantage to hire npc but for each npc it shortens the time of the gem.

There's a few spells that can be used with 0 skill if they've done the quest. But like I said, my playtime usually isn't in primetime so players are limited even for a no skill. So basically I have a character I can't use when I've got time to play it.

UO now has a portion of the population it had when they moved the circle to Brit to begin with. I don't think it's asking too much to provide us an alternative for a focus now.

 

[CovenantX]

When lacking skilled weavers to get a six focus, I have always stoned off my skill and called for a no-skill focus at wbb. Sometimes it's a faster way to get a focus.

That part of getting the focus should just be removed.

The devs apparently don't want to take away the amount of players you need to get a circle, but they should remove the +20/-20 skill restriction, then non-skilled spellweavers would beable to help.... they could just have the duration of the focus scale based on the spellweaving skill of the caster... couldn't be too hard. =X

 

[OREOGL]

Getting a level 6 is really an issue?

Im not certain having max buff time etc was supposed to be easy anyways.

 

[Smoot]

I agree with Lythos that it needs to be changed, and make sure it carries over in fel. Why is it that NO other skill in game requires a group of people and this one does?

because no other skill in the game only requires 120 skill points for maximum efficiency.

I would support a change to needing a focus, if and only if another skill were needed along with spellweaving simalar to magery/eval necro/ss myst/focus.

i could also see maybe paying a fee somewhere for an npc level 3 maybe. or perhaps doing a 5-10 min quest to get a level 5.

 

[TandaBSK]

This is part of why you see so many weavers who have multiple accounts with GM or legendary weavers on each... so they can maintain their own circle, or at least half and only need to find 2-3 players. I am not sure other than financial gain there is much benefit in the current system. I think many weavers would gladly pay to obtain the buff. I wonder if you put in a circle in another location besides the one in Britain if it would work better even at the current 6 people. I'm not talking one in every city or anything crazy, but it always puzzled me that Spellweaving was brought about as an elven magic (If my memory serves) and the public circle is in Britain? Perhaps another public circle in Heartwood that is tweaked to fewer players needed? It is out of the way, it does fit if I'm correct the lore more closely, would ease one hassle offset a bit by being a hassle to get to, add in a reduction in level or time or fee for use. Or make the circle a "vending machine" you can purchase/gain by looting some sort of elven orb or crystal, drop it on the circle in Britain (like keys) 1 crystal = 1 player.

 

[Lythos-]

because no other skill in the game only requires 120 skill points for maximum efficiency.

I would support a change to needing a focus, if and only if another skill were needed along with spellweaving simalar to magery/eval necro/ss myst/focus.

i could also see maybe paying a fee somewhere for an npc level 3 maybe. or perhaps doing a 5-10 min quest to get a level 5.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Chiv doesn't need a support skill to be useful. It's merely based on karma. I also wouldn't think it to be fair to spend that much time on a quest to unlock the usefulness of a skill.

 

[Martell]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Chiv doesn't need a support skill to be useful. It's merely based on karma. I also wouldn't think it to be fair to spend that much time on a quest to unlock the usefulness of a skill.

Chiv's usefulness is largely for pvm. Spellweaving has an impact in pvp and thus should either be paired with another skill to be effective or require some type of sacrifice (skill or gold or time) to get the max out of the skill. Spellweaving is already abused by those of us with 0 actual skill. It shouldn't be made easier to use imo.

 

[Lythos-]

Chiv's usefulness is largely for pvm. Spellweaving has an impact in pvp and thus should either be paired with another skill to be effective or require some type of sacrifice (skill or gold or time) to get the max out of the skill. Spellweaving is already abused by those of us with 0 actual skill. It shouldn't be made easier to use imo.

I swap between pvp and pvm so I'm fully aware of the joat buffs in pvp. I also know how easy it is for a guild to get a no skill focus before a night out. I currently do not have a guild and my spellweaver is at 120 skill for pvm purposes only. I made the chiv reference to show there's more than one skill that doesn't require a sidekick.

That's not my problem the old Devs put useful skills that can be cast with joat. That's an issue for someone else to bring up itself, but for now I'd like to be able to use a skill I worked damn hard to skill up.

If they combined weaving with another skill then the circles should go period. Spellweaving isn't that great that it should require multiple skills and people to be able to use. I think overpriced hirelings would be the way to go.

 

[Smoot]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Chiv doesn't need a support skill to be useful. It's merely based on karma. I also wouldn't think it to be fair to spend that much time on a quest to unlock the usefulness of a skill.

chiv needs a weapon skill to be fully efficient. plus it isnt effected by sdi. very low power stand alone skill compared to spellweaving. I suppose maybe just having spellweaving's non-offensive skills work without a secondary skill, and require a karma / fame level would be ok to make it similar to chiv.

 

[Spock's Beard]

The whole arcane circle thing is stupid and outdated and needs to go.

"BUT BUT BUT ITS THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR BLAH BLAH BLAH"

This entire line of reasoning is garbage. Because look dog, Spellweaving + an Arcane Focus is either overpowered or it isn't. How much nuisance it took to get the focus doesn't actually affect balance at all once you're in the field.

I mean, if SW were overpowered and blowing everyone up, nobody would accept "But getting a focus is a lot of work!" as a justification for being blown up would they? Of course they wouldn't.

So if this requirement is adding nusiance but not actually DOING anything balance-wise, why should it exist?

 

[whiterabbit]

spell WEAVING
HELO WEAVING = A GROUP
SAK DA SABAGE MAGES

 

[Poo]

Spoon feed? I had to do a crap quest to get the right to even cast the spells. Then I had to pay a crazy amount of gold for a full spellbook or else spend weeks trying to farm the spells. On top of that it took forever to work this skill to 120 and it's all null and void if I can't get people off their butts to get a circle.

Fyi I could care less if the focus lasted 30min if it meant it were more reasonable to obtain. GJ getting a focus on a shard I don't play? GTFO with this crap.

you had to do a quest to be able to use spellweaving.
so you went into heartwood and gave the chick 20 mushrooms that you got off the floor in 20 seconds.
then you gave her what... 200 boards, some honey, bag'o flour and some fish(?) that if you where smart you took in with you to begin with.
so its taken you 30 seconds now and your done step 2.
so you go out and kill a couple Exodus dudes.
so you had to spend 5 minutes to be able to use spellweaving.
im concerned that you make this sound like it was hard to do and that you went through so many hardships to achieve.
cause if that was hard for you to do then ok, i cave in and you right we should make getting a circle easier for you.

but i just went and did this on 4 shards last month because i was bored and i honestly found it what i would say level 1 for hardness - on a scale of 1-10.

so then you went and had to spend money to get the scrolls.
ok, ive always just had them from game play so i cant argue that.
i guess im just a little confused that you sound so bitter about having to play a game.
they designed this for you to play, you have to play to get the scrolls.
then once you get the scrolls you have to (wait for it) play.

and training.
ya, past GM sucks.
but have ya trained taming?

and getting a circle.
im not sure what i wrote before but i dont know where your getting all messed up.
soulstone -> put your 120 SW on the stone -> go to bank and general chat saying you want a no skill stone -> any random people show up, you cast and you have your level 6 stone -> go home and put SW back on.
i suppose i could whip up something with some crayons and some crafting supplies if a more detailed explanation is required...

so yes.
im standing by my statement, your being spoon fed.
here is an idea, how about we leave at least a little effort requiring stuff in the game.
just a little bit, not much, just enough so people will wanna play it, thats all i ask.

i honestly thought we had seen the last of this debate when they moved that cursed circle to the bank.
and i still say that was the beginning of the end.

hell, when i was young we had to walk from Trinsic to Vesper, up hill..... BOTH WAYS!

 

[Poo]

Spoon feed? I had to do a crap quest to get the right to even cast the spells. Then I had to pay a crazy amount of gold for a full spellbook or else spend weeks trying to farm the spells. On top of that it took forever to work this skill to 120 and it's all null and void if I can't get people off their butts to get a circle.

Fyi I could care less if the focus lasted 30min if it meant it were more reasonable to obtain. GJ getting a focus on a shard I don't play? GTFO with this crap.

by the way, nice mouth.
keep it open for a sec, sounds like you could use a teabag.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Just need those players that can and like to sit at Luna for 12+ hours (not AFK of course) to help. They could stone on the skill and sit at WBB all day for some goodness. I would park my weaver at the bank while I was doing RL things. I can't go make a PBJ and make some tea without the game auto logging me. Cool. Being an honest player can screw up the game. Put an NPC at the brit bank that sells a tribble. It will allow my weaver to pet it all day long and not auto log out. While petting the tribble in the circle, all dmage is reflected. Neener Neener reds without hair on their special parts.

Mill gold sacrifice for the ghost of 5 legend weavers to appear. The weaver that sacrifices stands in the circle and cast circle spell. The ghost show and the sacrificer cast again. 6 shows in pack and the ghost return to the netherland. Gold sink good.

Still waiting for the easy Scaly boss I can solo.

What it takes to collect 1k demon bone. Player that brought the skull should have a 25% chance at a drop just for crossing.

I really have no room to talk on the game. I play puzzle games now more then UO. Most the things I enjoy doing have not been revamped in near a decade. New crap is just that. Any so called upgrade that I find fun has been the 2weeksDone. Or a very short run event for us with a life.

 

[Lythos-]

cause if that was hard for you to do then ok, i cave in and you right we should make getting a circle easier for you.

I said it was a crap quest. I never said it was hard.

and getting a circle.
im not sure what i wrote before but i dont know where your getting all messed up.
soulstone -> put your 120 SW on the stone -> go to bank and general chat saying you want a no skill stone -> any random people show up, you cast and you have your level 6 stone -> go home and put SW back on.
i suppose i could whip up something with some crayons and some crafting supplies if a more detailed explanation is required...

Maybe you missed the part where I play offtimes and I did try no skill. It all depends on how many people aren't afk and or willing to help. I guess I know why you have crayons laying around. :loser:

here is an idea, how about we leave at least a little effort requiring stuff in the game.

I don't disagree with this. I do disagree with having a support skill being dependent on other players in a dying game.

i honestly thought we had seen the last of this debate when they moved that cursed circle to the bank.
and i still say that was the beginning of the end.

Rofl really? That was in 2009. The end of what exactly? Just go ahead and tell us what it is with spellweaving that bothers you so much you want to bury it back in 2005.

hell, when i was young we had to walk from Trinsic to Vesper, up hill..... BOTH WAYS!

I'd say back then there were enough accounts to hold hands from Trinsic to Vesper and back around singing Kumbaya.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

because no other skill in the game only requires 120 skill points for maximum efficiency.

I would support a change to needing a focus, if and only if another skill were needed along with spellweaving simalar to magery/eval necro/ss myst/focus.

i could also see maybe paying a fee somewhere for an npc level 3 maybe. or perhaps doing a 5-10 min quest to get a level 5.

As others have said and just like I said the last time you tried to use this argument in another thread, chiv doesn't require anything else.

As for needing a wep? what are you talking about? So a character with wrestle can't close wounds, cleanse by fire, remove curse, dispel evil, holy light etc without a weapon? That couldn't be more wrong. You can 100% have it be useful and just have wrestling.

You really haven't provided a good argument why this is the only skill that requires multiple people and no other skill does. The chiv point blows your point out of the water.

 

[Smoot]

As others have said and just like I said the last time you tried to use this argument in another thread, chiv doesn't require anything else.

As for needing a wep? what are you talking about? So a character with wrestle can't close wounds, cleanse by fire, remove curse, dispel evil, holy light etc without a weapon? That couldn't be more wrong. You can 100% have it be useful and just have wrestling.

You really haven't provided a good argument why this is the only skill that requires multiple people and no other skill does. The chiv point blows your point out of the water.

yes, i would be happy if spellweaving only had non-offensive / combat skills not requiring a circle.

 

[Speaking the Truth]

yes, i would be happy if spellweaving only had non-offensive / combat skills not requiring a circle.

What?

That doesn't make any sense. You said chiv isn't good unless you have a fighting skill and I was pointing out that it was. Point being with or without a fighting skill its still good and doesn't require another skill.

Why should Spellweaving be any different and take 5 people to make it effective?

 

[Smoot]

What?

That doesn't make any sense. You said chiv isn't good unless you have a fighting skill and I was pointing out that it was. Point being with or without a fighting skill its still good and doesn't require another skill.

Why should Spellweaving be any different and take 5 people to make it effective?

chiv also isnt affected by sdi. i suppose, if spellweaving were no longer affected by spell damage increase for items, required tithing points, and karma, and a secondary skill for at least half its spells, the focus should no longer be required.

 

[Podolak]

1. Support the game, subscribe to enough accounts to get your own LVL 6 focus.
2. Get four friends (or alternate personalities) to create trial accounts and have them stand on the circle. Bonus: If you actually got friends to do it we might get an additional player or two out of it, just make sure you show them more than the arcane circle. Repeat with additional friends (or alternate personalities) in two weeks when the trials expire. (yes this method requires soul stoning your spellweaving).

 

[Lythos-]

I've been told they're working on a focus alternative. This thread can now die a peaceful death.