My siege second house is a dirt plot because it costs gold to build and I don't have very much extra gold on siege. Don't judge a dirt plot as empty and unused. My character is a smith and a miner, I have a forge and anvil and a plot by the side of a mountain. I don't really need walls to do my business.
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End The Siege Housing Experiment
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The floor tiles for ground floor is free, it would look better than dirt.
And if someone believe Siege is a dangerous place with a lot of PK's, you just proved them wrong. There was a time, where a miner/smith did need walls.
Hope you stay with us
You didn't hear? I'm the shard zoning official. I have decided to institute blight regulations
...la
Well, it seems to me that your whole premise is built on your determination (by your magic means) that there are a bunch of prime spots taken up by people who don't play Siege.
So, when you look at a property and see who the owner is - how is it that you conclude that they don't "play"?
That's the MAGIC part. Sorry...la
I think the dirt floor fits the mining experience myself, but maybe I'll build a little shack or an outhouse. And I have been pked way more often mining on prodo shards. Dying doesn't bother me at all. I'm in training so i don't have much to lose, and enough skill to dress myself.
I have 3 active accounts and I have placed one small house on siege. I don't think I am abusing the system at all, but if i had to refresh, I might do it....I might not. Playing UO for me has always been in spurts. I'll spend a few months playing as many hours as I possibly can, and then I might not log in at all for a month.
Personally i think they could add the "second house" to some prodo shards as well. Lots of us need players and have lots of space for them. I guess I could see them changing it back if the game was bringing in new blood, but lets face it every shards "new" player is already playing the game or returning.
I have 3 active accounts and I have placed one small house on siege. I don't think I am abusing the system at all, but if i had to refresh, I might do it....I might not. Playing UO for me has always been in spurts. I'll spend a few months playing as many hours as I possibly can, and then I might not log in at all for a month.
Personally i think they could add the "second house" to some prodo shards as well. Lots of us need players and have lots of space for them. I guess I could see them changing it back if the game was bringing in new blood, but lets face it every shards "new" player is already playing the game or returning.
And by a requiring a refresh, I'll bet you'd be more likely to do it...la
Probably depended on how long i had. 30 days...might not. 90 days, prob would. I think the flaw in your refresh idea is if you make it a long enough time that it's not a hassle. ( Who knows how many boats i have lost because i can't remember to recall and click on it.) All the non-active players are still going to refresh theirs too.
I guess this is a mindset that's hard for me to understand. When i started this game i played on 5 shards, houses on all of them. I think it's beneficial to the health of the game to mix it up. To be completely different people, and play with different people.
When they changed the rule I quit for many years. I missed the game, so i did as most do. I have multiple accounts so i can play on multiple shards again. So the perk of adding one shard i don't have to pay extra to play on seems reasonable. Especially when I have 3 chars sharing one little house.
I'm too new to siege to know what's best for it. But as game, we are getting smaller and smaller, so having something a little extra added might help keep some of us around.
I guess this is a mindset that's hard for me to understand. When i started this game i played on 5 shards, houses on all of them. I think it's beneficial to the health of the game to mix it up. To be completely different people, and play with different people.
When they changed the rule I quit for many years. I missed the game, so i did as most do. I have multiple accounts so i can play on multiple shards again. So the perk of adding one shard i don't have to pay extra to play on seems reasonable. Especially when I have 3 chars sharing one little house.
I'm too new to siege to know what's best for it. But as game, we are getting smaller and smaller, so having something a little extra added might help keep some of us around.
I guess I never understood the whole playing multiple shards thing. Personally, I'd rather see the Siege population small but active rather than it large and inactive. Right now, it appears to be primarily small and inactive and if someone chooses to make the move permanently to Siege, they could quickly get disenchanted by not being able to find plots because there are so many occupied by players who don't play the shard...la
Maybe they would have been smarter to limit the size of the second house. You can have one, but not a max storage. Because i certainly agree that the larger housing spaces should be utilized by the most loyal members of the community. Or perhaps make the secondary house active account only.
As soon as your account goes inactive the second house starts decay. That might cleanup a lot of unused spaces by people who placed on a ping pong account. I don't really know because i don't know how many houses on siege are actually a second one.
I just wanted to make sure that you knew some of us are using them. I'm not as visible because my chars are babies and don't have much to add until they are fully developed, which takes much longer on siege. At least when you are starting from square one.
As soon as your account goes inactive the second house starts decay. That might cleanup a lot of unused spaces by people who placed on a ping pong account. I don't really know because i don't know how many houses on siege are actually a second one.
I just wanted to make sure that you knew some of us are using them. I'm not as visible because my chars are babies and don't have much to add until they are fully developed, which takes much longer on siege. At least when you are starting from square one.
Bah, you can add to the community no matter how many skill points or gold pieces you have. That has always been the great part of Siege. Get out of the house and meet people. Most don't bit (too hard). I know it can look desolate, but if you stay in the open, you'd be surprised how many people will come out of the shadows...la
I also play on legends, siege doesn't look that empty But I'll take your advice, put up some damn walls and meet some folks even though I suck 
But I'll take your advice, put up some damn walls and meet some folks even though I suck
You might be surprised. I've seen some players brought into a guild and shown how to PvP...others shown how to avoid PvP even though the whole shard is PvP friendly.
Show your face and see what happens. ...la
Show your face and see what happens.
...la
All my second homes on Siege are used as frequently as I get the opportunity to be there. Not as often as I'd like but I do use them and not a single one of them is a dirt plot. When I scouted about to find places to put down roots there were plenty of open area's.... when I'm out and about seeking treasure I see open nice plots all the time. Rico perhaps might be an ok thief but perhaps he's not so good at real estate... House hunting must not be his thing.
One more time. This isn't about me...I've found plenty of spots...but plenty should be more (not for me) for players coming to the shard to make it their home.
GET RID OF THE SIEGE CARPET BAGGERS!!!...la
Oh but it is about you... obviously you think all those houses are unused simply because you don't see folk... You have possibly seen some of my characters or might have if they weren't hidden.
No it's not...la
Awesome, then this request wouldn't affect you YAY!!! ...la
YAY!!! ...la
What do you consider prime housing spots?
I started playing siege in May with my UO hubby We both have 2 accounts between each other. Since then I've been able to place 2 keeps because they went idoc. Plus at the Trinsic moon gate we have a 2 story house which we have teleports leading to each keep to me prime spot is anywhere a keep or castle goes in.So yes what do you consider a prime spot?
* note to siege players*
2 story house by Trinsic gate has on the steps those reward globes that take you to towns, and dungeons there set for anyone to use. house owner is chelle.
Tbh, I´d like to see a list on the Siege boards of all the names on the "unused" houses. Maybe that way we can scratch some of the names of that list off and come to the conclusion that it wasn´t that many after all. Who knows...
About this house change, if I remember correctly, before it went live most Siege (board) players wanted a refresh option but Mesanna gave an answer ,that I can´t remember, on why there would be no refresh option. Maybe it was too time consuming to get it right and they wanted to release the second house feature as soon as possible. Again, my memory is vague on this so...
About the new players not finding "good" spots. If you really want to play Siege, a house in Malas or wherever will do just fine as a first house. And then when you get more and more established there you can start aiming for a "better" spot by hoping for IDOCs or asking other house owners to buy their spots.
I can understand that for someone like Lore Denin who has a specific colony plan in mind that it might be harder but for single new players it really shouldn´t be an issue.
And yes, we have most likely ended up with some unused dirt plots because of this change but I´m quite sure we have also gained some new faces that wouldn´t have come if it wasn´t for this change.
So sometimes you´ll have to take the bitter with the sweet and all that...
About this house change, if I remember correctly, before it went live most Siege (board) players wanted a refresh option but Mesanna gave an answer ,that I can´t remember, on why there would be no refresh option. Maybe it was too time consuming to get it right and they wanted to release the second house feature as soon as possible. Again, my memory is vague on this so...
About the new players not finding "good" spots. If you really want to play Siege, a house in Malas or wherever will do just fine as a first house. And then when you get more and more established there you can start aiming for a "better" spot by hoping for IDOCs or asking other house owners to buy their spots.
I can understand that for someone like Lore Denin who has a specific colony plan in mind that it might be harder but for single new players it really shouldn´t be an issue.
And yes, we have most likely ended up with some unused dirt plots because of this change but I´m quite sure we have also gained some new faces that wouldn´t have come if it wasn´t for this change.
So sometimes you´ll have to take the bitter with the sweet and all that...
for many years i paid for my house on siege, many years.
then the time came i had to make a decision and unfortunately siege lost and i had to pack up and move on which was sad because i enjoyed siege but lets face it there was no one to play with.
when the opportunity to come back and put up a house presented itself i was first in line. not because i wanted to become the land baron of siege but rather because i missed playing there.
so do i have houses on siege?
yup.
do i play on siege?
yup.
if i LOST my houses there would i continue to play on siege?
no.
its unfortunate but lets face it, it is very hard to do any effective playing without having a house to do your stuff in. oh im sure there are some people who are masters of living out of their banks but if you play hard and farm hard and do any kind of mule craft at all you need a house.
so who should the shard look down their nose at more?
the carpet bagger as you call me, or the person who left then comes back complaining about decisions that where made in your absence to try to keep the shard afloat?
i dont know brother but i see more people playing now then i have back when i had my keep there.
and let the record show that i only have 3 houses even though i run more accounts then that, 2 of which are 7x7 and the biggest being a Tower in the middle of the forest. and i did that on purpose so i wouldn't c0ck block anyone wanting to place houses or communities.
then the time came i had to make a decision and unfortunately siege lost and i had to pack up and move on which was sad because i enjoyed siege but lets face it there was no one to play with.
when the opportunity to come back and put up a house presented itself i was first in line. not because i wanted to become the land baron of siege but rather because i missed playing there.
so do i have houses on siege?
yup.
do i play on siege?
yup.
if i LOST my houses there would i continue to play on siege?
no.
its unfortunate but lets face it, it is very hard to do any effective playing without having a house to do your stuff in. oh im sure there are some people who are masters of living out of their banks but if you play hard and farm hard and do any kind of mule craft at all you need a house.
so who should the shard look down their nose at more?
the carpet bagger as you call me, or the person who left then comes back complaining about decisions that where made in your absence to try to keep the shard afloat?
i dont know brother but i see more people playing now then i have back when i had my keep there.
and let the record show that i only have 3 houses even though i run more accounts then that, 2 of which are 7x7 and the biggest being a Tower in the middle of the forest. and i did that on purpose so i wouldn't c0ck block anyone wanting to place houses or communities.
and on a related side note, my 2 daughters wanted to try out siege and they walked into fel and both placed houses in a matter of minutes. one a large villa and the other a cabin. neither had any problems finding nice housing spots and i think those houses are rather big, but hey when daddy is writing the cheques......
im curious though, because i know Lore and i know he has moved pretty much 100% over to Origin.
so any expansion over to siege would be on the new housing as i cant see him dropping his castles to move over.
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I am done here... Siege housing is fine. I have played Siege for a dozen years strait. Plenty of housing left. Many of us will welcome you and even help with placing a house.
Siege is a fun shard to play. In the beginning... train and maybe get pked. Train more, get better and die less or kill more. Yer choice.
Siege is a fun shard to play. In the beginning... train and maybe get pked. Train more, get better and die less or kill more. Yer choice.
I'm not trying to call the shots but then again maybe I should be. Look at what you've turned it into. Kinda what you turned the forum into...la
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Welp it took me about 20 minutes after someone hooked me up with some gold and an LRC suit to find a great house. I am road side, 18x18 and 4 screens from a gate... Id say the housing situation on siege is fine.
But it could be better...laId say the housing situation on siege is fine.
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It could be better on Atlantic too, but we don't complain about it, we just get the gold needed to buy the house we like if there isn't one available. Perhaps you should consider doing the same on Siege
I'm sorry but if I see a problem, I try to get it corrected. It's not like a post on Stratics is going to do anything other than start a conversation.It could be better on Atlantic too, but we don't complain about it, we just get the gold needed to buy the house we like if there isn't one available. Perhaps you should consider doing the same on Siege
I'm sorry you don't feel the same but then again that's why I left Atlantic for Siege...la
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I completely understand that your trying to fix a housing problem on Siege, but as the other Siege people have said, they prefer it this way and you were gone so long, that they probabaly know more about modern Siege than you at this point. I have no idea whether there's a housing problem or not, but am inclined to believe that there isn't one, considering the other Siege people say there isn't and Scribbles found an 18x18 in 20 minutes after never actively playing Siege before.
Are there as many houses open as before? of course not, but there are still houses around from the looks of it, and more players on the shard. You even said yourself that Malas has lots of open spots. New players can place whatever house they want in Malas to store stuff in while they train and gain gold, then buy a house they like more when they have gotten enough gold to do so if they wish.
This is Siege and if complaining is something you like then this isn't the shard to play - I posted in response to support a change to housing based on exploring the shard this week. I believe it would be beneficial to Players who are active to open spots that are basically just holding land, allowing more opportunities to move or upgrade your current home... Also adding more idoc instances which would increase activity when a prime area was decaying and perhaps gold or items might be present to the taking.
I am sure we'll figure it out and adjust accordingly, See everyone on Siege soon,
-Lore's Player
I am sure we'll figure it out and adjust accordingly, See everyone on Siege soon,
-Lore's Player
I think there are waaay too many castles and keeps. They have ceased to be terribly special and they deprive good areas of place.
If you want to make a memorable location... only 1 castle that serves the town and surround it with lots of smaller dwellings. Placemaking is largely lost. We have some talented home designers but no good town designers. Gilfane the town is too spread out with too many castles and keeps. It's not a town, just an idea of one. Safe Haven could be something more but it too has way too many castles and keeps.
Tear a castle down and replace it with a smaller dwelling (not a keep or tower), see what happens.
If you want to make a memorable location... only 1 castle that serves the town and surround it with lots of smaller dwellings. Placemaking is largely lost. We have some talented home designers but no good town designers. Gilfane the town is too spread out with too many castles and keeps. It's not a town, just an idea of one. Safe Haven could be something more but it too has way too many castles and keeps.
Tear a castle down and replace it with a smaller dwelling (not a keep or tower), see what happens.
This is true... cursed means nothing on Siege... Which is something I like. I rather enjoy Siege though I'm not really a PvP lover. Siege feels more... rewarding. I suppose would be the word. Succeeding there to do a dungeon run without getting killed or something is "fun". Outsmarting the ones who wish to find and kill me... also rather fun. Being killed on a character who is wearing nothing but boots... not so much fun.
Meh, the really good spots have always been locked up by regular players, and as far as I can tell still are, since many of the houses in prime spots have been there for years.
With the advent of vendor search and the ease of teleporting around it's really not that important to have a good house spot anyway. Right now it should be about placing someplace you like. On that note, I placed a house at the 2 kings bridge spot by destard a few weeks ago, and I would call that an at least mildy unique and desirable spot that no one seemed to want.
I was against the idea of vacation homes, but really, it doesn't matter that much. It DID bring some people to the shard, and made vacations for part timers a little longer sometimes.
I have only seen one red in like a month. And it was the same red multiple times, and now he isn't currently playing. Public spammed hours before IDOC this morning, like 10 bluebies open looting in peace 3 screen from a moongate. There really aren't many reds any more from what I can tell.
lol what? Siege people complain just as much as anywhere else and have since day one.
I agree. I hate castles. I thought they should have been disabled with the advent of custom housing personally. They are simply too unreasonably large.
I enjoy having a house on Siege, as I did not have one before the 2nd house was implemented. It is extremely difficult to live out of a bank box and participate fully on this shard.
I've heard a lot of people say that and each time I disagree. 125 items is easy to play around. Hell, I didn't have a house until I moved to Siege, 2 years after I started playing UO in 2000...la
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