Devs can u please make it your next priority to remove gold checks from the game

[Kat]

@DJAd - I know. We have had similar issues on Siege, but at least there we can kill them and put them out of commission until they discover their ghost furiously spinning his wheels! But, yeah, I hear ya.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

@DJAd - I know. We have had similar issues on Siege, but at least there we can kill them and put them out of commission until they discover their ghost furiously spinning his wheels! But, yeah, I hear ya.

Is monster luring still frowned upon?...la

 

[Kat]

Is monster luring still frowned upon?...la

Not where we play!

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Not where we play!

Good. Not that the frowns ever kept me from doing it in the past. ...la

 

[The Zog historian]

What I've proposed before should not be difficult: make gold a character-bound number, no different than a stat or skill. Double-click a pile of gold, whether on a monster corpse or the ground (e.g. at a champ spwn), and it goes into the bankbox. Gold piles could only be double-clicked, and they could not be moved as if it were locked down, or perhaps given a weight of 2000 stones so they can't go in a backpack or pack animal. After a certain well-announced date, any gold piles and checks in the bank would automatically be added to the character's gold count. Gold checks would become purely decorative and non-redeemable on that date.

To buy something from another player, initiate with a "Pay gold" action on the context menu, which would open a trade window. After all, once upon a time transferring a pet did only a straight transfer, without opening a trade window. For transferring from one character to another on the same shard (and it could even work for all shards), there would be a "collective" bankbox holding the gold. This allows people to keep "RP" separations between characters. If transferring to a second account, use a second client. It would mean the inability to make a check and drop it in the house, but that inconvenience would cut down on duping.

Cazador, you posted:

So wait..so you can farm non stop with zero chance of losing your gold? How about you have a ledger of sorts that holds gold and weight and can be deposited but not broken into stacks. And on death a ticket drops to your body that has a timer of 60 seconds before it poofs..where then it can be looted and deposited into your ledger..the idea of picking up gold at a harrower and just having it go into an invisible account without having to run it out is weird..think about the 24/7 gold farming bots that will pop up..

It's not like many people lose gold as it is, and even a non-scripter like me surmises that a script would auto-send gold once detecting that a character is heavy. But it could be programmed that a character's gold count falls to the corpse upon death. Only when a character opens the bankbox, or uses a bag of sending (target the character to send gold).

 

[The Zog historian]

Duping will still exist, if not checks, then high value items. In fact, I have been told duping hi end items to sell already happens more than duping a check.

Removing checks from the game will eliminate duping about as efficiently as random ore eliminated script mining...

It's because gold is duped at least as often as valuable items (I'd say more) that items can command such high prices. Duping may never be stopped entirely, but eliminating gold duping would result in massive price deflation as the quantity of goods increases relative to gold supply. It's neutral at best and in all likelihood would have almost only benefits for honest players.

 

[The Zog historian]

YES better yet wipe the servers, lets start fresh. too much junk clogging up the game.

If you're serious about that, then notwithstanding you'd push most everyone to quit the game for good, you're welcome to demonstrate your commitment by first demolishing your own items and houses, then deleting your characters.

 

[The Zog historian]

This will cause major chaos. A competition between all the currencies will start. A lot of items will suddenly find new owners. After some weeks or months people will slowly have chosen a new currency. On Atlantic people will mostly accept seeds from a silver sapling while Siege, Mugen and Catskills will rather stick to Fey wings.

Players that are hoarders might suddenly become rich over night once their beloved very special items are high in demand. And those who filled the characters of 20 accounts with gold checks... are left with nothing but useless paper.

To conclude - my method will mean loads of fun. It will create imbalance in the beginning. Imbalance might be a lot of fun actually! At the same time my method will enable the players to find a new balance. A balance that is always subject to change if a majority of the players changes the direction of things. You can hardly get a sandbox feeling that will be more true than that.

You openly say it would cause "chaos," the inevitable consequence of which is that people will give up on the game. Let me guess: you're one of those who's hoarded a lot of many things, so you'd like such a system where you'd stand a good chance when the cards are dealt?

What do you suppose would happen to the economy of the United States if dollars were suddenly declared worthless, or in much of Europe if that happened to the euro? Existing currency would have to be declared illegal and/or counterfeiting declared legal for people to stop trusting it. Do you really think people will be any wealthier trying to figure out how many apples they can get from the back yard tree to trade for how many loaves of bread?

Now if it will be a bit more than unpleasant in the real world, just how much worse will it be for a virtual world that people engage in for fun? People don't play UO as an economic experiment of spontaneous order in the money supply, or the NPC currency you propose that's "subject to change on a daily basis or some funny ruleset."

You may have written a bit and put some thought to it, but those in and of themselves do not make a good idea.

 

[Smoot]

If you're serious about that, then notwithstanding you'd push most everyone to quit the game for good, you're welcome to demonstrate your commitment by first demolishing your own items and houses, then deleting your characters.

NO only if everyone joins me! seriously tho, i would love a fresh server no transfers allowed. i think it would be really fun. and more likely than not, returning vets who have been away from the game for years would feel more at home there.

 

[RockoNV]

enough is enough...gold duping as got to stop....

drop all other projects and please do this one....

why not make gold a part of your character just like STR/INT/DEX is. For example, on your character sheet the amount of gold would be listed just like STR is. Surely the code could be modified. No checks....no way to dupe gold.

 

[cazador]

What I've proposed before should not be difficult: make gold a character-bound number, no different than a stat or skill. Double-click a pile of gold, whether on a monster corpse or the ground (e.g. at a champ spwn), and it goes into the bankbox. Gold piles could only be double-clicked, and they could not be moved as if it were locked down, or perhaps given a weight of 2000 stones so they can't go in a backpack or pack animal. After a certain well-announced date, any gold piles and checks in the bank would automatically be added to the character's gold count. Gold checks would become purely decorative and non-redeemable on that date.

To buy something from another player, initiate with a "Pay gold" action on the context menu, which would open a trade window. After all, once upon a time transferring a pet did only a straight transfer, without opening a trade window. For transferring from one character to another on the same shard (and it could even work for all shards), there would be a "collective" bankbox holding the gold. This allows people to keep "RP" separations between characters. If transferring to a second account, use a second client. It would mean the inability to make a check and drop it in the house, but that inconvenience would cut down on duping.

Cazador, you posted:



It's not like many people lose gold as it is, and even a non-scripter like me surmises that a script would auto-send gold once detecting that a character is heavy. But it could be programmed that a character's gold count falls to the corpse upon death. Only when a character opens the bankbox, or uses a bag of sending (target the character to send gold).

Generally I don't even loot the gold I'm more interested in the artifacts/items..I was just pointing it out as a problem. You're right about bags of sending and such, but if it was an infinite tie to your account which didn't have any weights etc..it would be farm easier to farm gold. What about the gold that drops off champs/harrower. The only gold in game I see worth picking up? I can just drag drop on myself and not have to run any out? Not that any of this I would personally care about, it just seems too easy buttonish


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[The Zog historian]

Generally I don't even loot the gold I'm more interested in the artifacts/items..I was just pointing it out as a problem. You're right about bags of sending and such, but if it was an infinite tie to your account which didn't have any weights etc..it would be farm easier to farm gold. What about the gold that drops off champs/harrower. The only gold in game I see worth picking up? I can just drag drop on myself and not have to run any out? Not that any of this I would personally care about, it just seems too easy buttonish

That's why I said it could be tied to a character, with a limit that could simulate "weight," and necessitating that bags of sending still be used every so often. Scripters will not be deterred, but it will hinder duping while making it no more difficult for honest players.

 

[Uriah Heep]

@Eaerendil - I'm not so sure "account bound" is the way to go. Account bound on your home shard, perhaps, or possibly character bound might be a better option. Now, before you poopoo those options, consider the ramifications of making gold "account bound" and usable on any shard. What is there to prevent someone from making, transferring or using already viable characters on empty[ish] shards like maybe Lake Austin and script farming unattended and just raking in the gold? Heck, I can think of several ways to utilize the lesser populated shards to keep a steady stream of gold coming in. I'm pretty certain the people who would abuse and have a hey-day with such a system would think of really elaborate ways that my pea brain can't even comprehend! I think character bound might be the better way to go.

They're already doing what you said...they just use the shard shields to move it

 

[THP]

Devs??

 

[MalagAste]

Is monster luring still frowned upon?...la

In order for it to be LURING they would have to see you doing it to page on you.... and since they are obviously AFK macroing and scripting they can't page on something they don't see IMO. But do 2 wrongs make a right?

In some cases... Yes they do.

 

[THP]

luring frowned upon...r u joking...

seems blatant afk scripting is allowed and not frowned upon

and as for the duping of gold checks then rinsing clean through vendors....its aint gonna stop untill the checks are erased....end of...then afterwards lets see how the gold economy gets better...and things get cheaper...when folks cant buy there weekly billion for a 100 bucks [whatever]

 

[Captn Norrington]

luring frowned upon...r u joking...

seems blatant afk scripting is allowed and not frowned upon

and as for the duping of gold checks then rinsing clean through vendors....its aint gonna stop untill the checks are erased....end of...then afterwards lets see how the gold economy gets better...and things get cheaper...when folks cant buy there weekly billion for a 100 bucks [whatever]

You've gotta love it when the dupers say that they are "helping the community by duping" because it "lowers prices so everyone can afford stuff" lol.

Chances are this thread won't get a dev response unfortunately, it took us like 3 months to get a dev response about the Daemonic Crisis statue's flamestrike being broken. If something as simple as that took 3 months...this...might take 3 years lol.

 

[THP]

over to the devs for a comment ...

 

[DJAd]

I can tell you the answer. You can pick either of these:

1. "It's on our radar"
2. "Soon"

I don't know how far down on the to do list the new gold system is. Before pet revamp, high res art, etc etc ?

 

[Blood Ghoul]

I vote for this to be fixed!! It would hopefully mean we could get rid of "vendor bankers" and sell/buy items at higher than 175m.

I think it would be awesome

 

[Fridgster]

luring frowned upon...r u joking...

seems blatant afk scripting is allowed and not frowned upon

and as for the duping of gold checks then rinsing clean through vendors....its aint gonna stop untill the checks are erased....end of...then afterwards lets see how the gold economy gets better...and things get cheaper...when folks cant buy there weekly billion for a 100 bucks [whatever]

I must be missing someyhing... how does this stop gold sellers? Whats to stop them from buying say a rune for whatever price of gold that was purchased? Dont get me wrong, i would love to see checks done away with, however i dont forsee it having as much egfect on dupers and gold sellers as you may thibk. Though i do forsee a massive amount of duped rares flooding the market. If they cabt dupe gold they will find something to dupe... dupers are like roaches and rats... they can survive just about anything.

 

[THP]

I must be missing someyhing... how does this stop gold sellers? Whats to stop them from buying say a rune for whatever price of gold that was purchased? Dont get me wrong, i would love to see checks done away with, however i dont forsee it having as much egfect on dupers and gold sellers as you may thibk. Though i do forsee a massive amount of duped rares flooding the market. If they cabt dupe gold they will find something to dupe... dupers are like roaches and rats... they can survive just about anything.

then yes you are missing something...but u admit that.......gold checks are untraceable after they are'' cleaned/ washed''...aka laundered through vendors....the dupers are 99% safe with gold duping....and people like to buy gold at 10/15 cents a puck.....they can buy items with gold then and look normal hard playing players ....people dont like buying items for real cash though....kinda amke then feel cheap.....even though gold is fine..

.and yes if gold checks are stopped the dupers may try duping items again...like they used to!!!! aka all the old rares...aka the 2 story staues etc etc ....but items are more traceable.... u cant wash them... so they have a greater chance of being caught....thats why they dupe gold... thats why they asked for bigger than 1m checks too

prob wont see a great change in prices for a year as the gold dupers have prob got vendors on every shard with billions sat on them waiting for customers

 

[Merlin]

Just weighing in to say I'm against changing a system that works just because of a few bad apples. Ban the dupers or come up with a way to stop duping (if its possible), but don't wreak potential havok across an already fragile player base by instituting such a dramatic change. Nor would stopping this some how bring down prices, especially if the $175M cap is raised. You just don't mess with people's money. This will create more trouble than its worth.

"Priority Number One" ? Hogwash! With the limited developer resources this game has, there are better things they should be working on. Just my opinion...

 

[Uriah Heep]

I must be missing someyhing... how does this stop gold sellers? Whats to stop them from buying say a rune for whatever price of gold that was purchased? Dont get me wrong, i would love to see checks done away with, however i dont forsee it having as much egfect on dupers and gold sellers as you may thibk. Though i do forsee a massive amount of duped rares flooding the market. If they cabt dupe gold they will find something to dupe... dupers are like roaches and rats... they can survive just about anything.

QFT!

And yes, I agree, don't change the system in place now. That's part of our problems from the past, people fixing things that aren't broken. No checks won't mean no duping, what it does mean is that the dupers will have to use shard shields more to move their dupes...dupe 100 rares, xfer em to another shard and then back. We been told already in the past that transferring an item gives it a new ID# and they can't trace it

 

[THP]

Well Mesanna said she would love to do this at the last..''state of UO address'' would be nice to know when its gonna happen

So....any dev wanna comment how far we are away....from actually doing this...

 

[Zuckuss]

It has been stated that this something they are working on. Please do not "bump" this thread again unless you have relevant information to add which has not already been stated.

 

[THP]

relevant information if anyone missed it...la
http://community.stratics.com/threads/state-of-uo-address-transcript.321593/

 

[The Craftsman]

Physical gold piles and cheques are not the problem. Duping is the problem. Spending Dev time on changing the way currency is handles will only partly eliminate the duping problem. High end items will get even more focus for the dupers.

The answer is (and has been for a long time) for the devs to actually devote time to solving the real problem which means putting in place measures that prevent duping. Problem solved and we can continue having gold piles and cheques (even larger cheques to allow high end purchases) which stops yet another part of uos immersiveness being lost. I don't want a calculator style number for my gold.

The problem however is that whichever regime is in charge of uo over the years has shown very little interest in catching banning or eliminating cheating. Especially now as the dupers and cheats make up a large part of a dwindling player base. Be careful what you wish for. Eliminate the dupers and you might not have a game to play.

 

[The Craftsman]

Well Mesanna said she would love to do this at the last..''state of UO address''

I'm sure they would love to do a lot of things. Doesn't mean it's going to happen anytime soon. Or maybe ever. UO has a long list of things that needs to be addressed but doesn't have the funding or resources to carry out what is required.

This mY be your number one priority but it's not high up on the list for everyone. As evidenced by this thread, some are for it and some against. I'm sure there are also a whole host of players who couldn't care less either way. Shamelessly bumping your own thread, demanding a reply from already under resources dev team and acting like a diva isn't going to get you your wish.

 

[THP]

bumping??? when....were...oh u bumped it.....

but common sense tells us... getting rid of checks will stop the duping of checks [thats a no brainer]...and thus the selling of mega cheap gold

yes yes yes they can dupe items...but duping gold is safer... it got to be a step in the right direction....deffo a step in the right direction..

yes fixing duping as got to be number 1 but ive a feeling they have already stated they cannot for some reason....so deleteing duped items is the best they probably can do...

i know mesanna and the team know this....thats why billions were wiped on pacific not long ago....

oh well some will turn a blind eye....not me... this needs sorting...the sooner the better...

 

[Uriah Heep]

Fix the method of duping, not the result of it. But throughout recorded history EA's chosen business model has been to fix what isn't broken in an effort to improve the game.

 

[Picus at the office]

I really don't think people are duping gold cheques. It's possible that if a person has the ablity to dupe they might include some cheques but if I had that knowledge I would do other items with a far greater value and are much easier to sell, who is going to buy a cheque vs a crimmy/tangle/rare/vet reward/anything except a cheque. Now let it be said that I have no idea on how to do such a thing and it's clearly bad for the game but I just don't believe that cheques are even close to the problem if a real dupe is in the game(again).

But this simply goes back to events like that Slim's Mempo(this is if we all believe the postings): you have a player who openly admits to cheating such that they aquire the item, item is sold in the open market and now it's fair game to own? Sigh. I'm all for using certain scripts for certain aspects of the game but events like this are the real, IMO, cause of the problem. I lost a good account years back for running the old vesper turn in quest and, frankly, it todays UO I think I should get it back.

 

[cazador]

I can tell you the answer. You can pick either of these:

1. "It's on our radar"
2. "Soon"

I don't know how far down on the to do list the new gold system is. Before pet revamp, high res art, etc etc ?

I think we should go for the pet revamp first, except lets do a focus group of all PvPers and get the details hammered down, only seems fair since the VvV focus groups was all trammies


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[James Moriarty]

You could post this question in the ask the devs forum to see if you get a reply over there.

 

[Rimeny]

Would much prefer devs to work bugs or revamps of content art etc..


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[THP]

like i say some folks dont want change THEY are happy they can buy cheap gold by the bucket full.....[whatever]

 

[Longtooths]

THP,

Everyone gets your position!

You want gold checks gone and if someone doesn't agree, they are gold buyers. And you are going to keep protesting everywhere but the appropriate place until a Dev responds.....got it...

 

[Rimeny]

like i say some folks dont want change THEY are happy they can buy cheap gold by the bucket full.....[whatever]

Show me where I said I don't want it changed? I get the economy is broke, I just pointed out what I would rather the devs spent time on.

Call me old fashioned but I like gold checks

Also we saw what happened with the dupe vendor issue, items that were legit drops became non venderable when moved between shards and items which have been duped by the bucket load still go on vendors.

If they are looking at removing checks I would want it to be absolutely bang on before hitting production, we shouldn't put pressure on them to shoehorn a fix in.

 

[Rimeny]

Just one more thing THP.

Going by your accusations of people not wanting rid of checks so they can buy bucket loads of cheap gold checks, then reverse of this would gold sellers desperate for this to happen so they would get more money for their gold which would benefit the gold farmers...

swings and roundabouts.

 

[THP]

Just a thing Hardy...it wasnt aimed at you!! but a bit of reverse physcology...i like it....

well lets keep fingers xrossed...like i said ...SINCE stopping duping seems beyond the devs control .....then make a start with the gold check duping...thats all im saying....better to be doing something towrds the problem than keep turning a blind eye...

 

[THP]

Thankyou devs... great news form the lake austion meet and greet that THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN....sooner than later plzzz

 

[Longtooths]

This will not stop dupers. In fact, it won't even slow them down.

 

[The Zog historian]

It won't stop duping, but it'll decelerate inflation. However many non-gold items are duped, the reason they command such high prices is because there's so much duped gold.

 

[Stubentiger]

enough is enough...gold duping as got to stop....

drop all other projects and please do this one....

I disagree with the priority.
If duping is possible it will happen, either gold or items.

UO was never meant to be fiscally stable.

Priority should be to enhance gameplay for us and for broadsword to make UO more profitable so to enhance the gameplay more and get more players.

 

[Smoot]

I disagree with the priority.
If duping is possible it will happen, either gold or items.

UO was never meant to be fiscally stable.

Priority should be to enhance gameplay for us and for broadsword to make UO more profitable so to enhance the gameplay more and get more players.

why should UOs goal to be more profitable? No matter how much money Broadswords makes, do you really think EA is going to provide more paychecks? EAs stance has always been a little bit of easy / cheap money is better than a risk / investment for larger gains. at least when it comes to UO. Any addition profits UO makes will not go back into UO.

 

[MalagAste]

What's with resurrecting ancient threads?

Not that I wouldn't be happy to get rid of checks and such..... But I like my piles of gold.

 

[Larisa]

I think they said awhile back then when they did the currency conversion we would still be allowed to have piles of gold as deco, which would be cool

 

[Uriah Heep]

So with a chars worth being just a note in the ether, will bank balances be gloabal across an acct? Across shards for that acct?

 

[Nexus]

People don't even need to move to a "dead" shard. They hack and script on even the busiest shards without fear of getting banned. I've reported loads of script miners/lumberjacks and guess what.....? They are still going months later.

That's why I like the one's that do it in Fel, if you can get'em banned wait til they have nearly a full load and kill em.
You get the satisfaction of player justice, and can pocket their ill gained goods.

 

[Whitewolf of *VK*]

well since this thread has pretty much turned into a duping debate, im just curious why dont they do what they used to do back in the day, every item in the game has a unique number attached to it, or used to, so many items in the game now, this may no longer be the case, but if 2 items shared the same number it means it was duped, and they would go threw and delete those items, if i remember right i think they did it everyday at server up. so what did they do? just get lazy and decide not to do this anymore?