IDOC on Atlantic--Lots of scripters

[Blood Ghoul]

All,

First I am sorry to those of you legit IDOCer's if posting this brings in a few extra people. (I would normally never do this as if you want to be at an IDOC you need to find it). But if you are going to play by the rules you have no chance. Someone (name withheld) opened a gate and brought in 30 "young" accounts. I mean how in the heck can you even control 30 accounts at once?? Maybe a Dev will take notice and figure out there is a problem but it seems unlikely.

I was going to post a picture of it but am deciding against it.

The house is greatly worn right now and has a two story statue on the front porch (to ID it to those watching). Just in case you think you have a shot at anything playing by the rules you might not want to miss any sleep over it.

Blood Ghoul

 

[Eärendil]

Its a shame. We all know what is happening. But nobody reacts.

 

[chargar42]

Can ya mention the town at least?

 

[Lord Lew]

Hopefully Mesanna or bleak are watching, and contact you for a location.. Usually they need your shard and name to jump to you, so if you think they may see this and are there, it might help. There is an illegal program that allows you to control more than one account, it's bannable, so hopefully they take action, but I'm not holding my breath

 

[DJAd]

Where is the IDOC?! Ooooh you tease!

 

[Rieley]

I'm very ignorant with cheats. I am not asking for any type of detail, but can you say how this happens? Simply like, is it a program that notifies a player when a house falls? Is it the young accounts that need to be involved? There must be a way to legally stop illegal plays, if we all come together with thoughts I'm sure there is way we can help the situation. What can we as players do?

 

[Lord X]

I could be wrong, but what I've heard before Is that the young players are EACH running a script to grab one thing when the house falls... chest.. item etc.... . So then the person just needs to go thru all their accounts and see what they got on all their chars.

 

[Smoot]

you can control as many accounts as you want with one set of buttons, mesanna said its not allowed, but a stratics mod said it might be legal / not able to be caught, which is also why supposedly paging on people who use the same program at EM events doesnt work. (supposedly the gms show up but can find nothing against tos) anyway, with sripting auto running you dont even have to do anything, just have the script run.

hopefully somethings done, its stuff like this that has been one of the major downfalls and shortcoming of UO since forever and why many players finally leave the game because they become fed up with it.

This will all probably be locked / deleted anyway which is a shame that the stratics mods dont see this as a worthwhile discussion about the game. which is disappointing to say the least.

 

[Zuckuss]

[UO Herald] Official Response to Multiboxing

http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-official-response-to-multiboxing.240984/

 

[CovenantX]

[UO Herald] Official Response to Multiboxing

http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-official-response-to-multiboxing.240984/

I'm sure the wording in that post is inaccurate and misleading. Obviously, a Dev would need to comment on this to clarify.

Multi-Boxing: requires a program to control multiple characters at once, say if you set a macro on all of the characters, to have one key perform multiple actions on multiple clients at the same time. I'm pretty sure (like 100%) this is illegal, otherwise, you'd see people doing this in pvp.

Dual/Multi-Clienting: is legal, whereas you need to control each character individually, whether it be multiple clients on the same machine or multiple machines.
(this is what people do to get a spell-weaving circle for themselves, during 'off' hours, on less populated shards)

The illegal part is when it becomes automated.

 

[kelmo]

This will all probably be locked / deleted anyway which is a shame that the stratics mods dont see this as a worthwhile discussion about the game. which is disappointing to say the least.

How do you know what a Stratics Mod will find interesting? We rarely lock or move threads (I never delete a thread, I keep them all as evidence ) because they are uninteresting. Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss it further.

 

[Victim of Siege]

How do you know what a Stratics Mod will find interesting? We rarely lock or move threads (I never delete a thread, I keep them all as evidence ) because they are uninteresting. Shoot me a PM if you would like to discuss it further.

*starts a thread on sheep to interest Kelmo*

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

I'm sure the wording in that post is inaccurate and misleading. Obviously, a Dev would need to comment on this to clarify.

Multi-Boxing: requires a program to control multiple characters at once, say if you set a macro on all of the characters, to have one key perform multiple actions on multiple clients at the same time. I'm pretty sure (like 100%) this is illegal, otherwise, you'd see people doing this in pvp.

Dual/Multi-Clienting: is legal, whereas you need to control each character individually, whether it be multiple clients on the same machine or multiple machines.
(this is what people do to get a spell-weaving circle for themselves, during 'off' hours, on less populated shards)

The illegal part is when it becomes automated.

When did EA's stance on Multi-clienting change?
It's been awhile but before I took my break from UO Multi-client was running more than one instances of UO on the same computer. Doing so was easily detectable by a GM and could get you banned.
Multi-boxing was running more than one computer with UO running on each one. Doing so was legal as long as you weren't macroing unattended.

 

[Silentfury]

That's exactly the kind of Conduct that has been happening that caused the Dev Team to make the IDOC Timer random now. While the Scripter's and other less than Legit players most probably still have the upper hand, this change does provide a little help to the honest IDOCer.

 

[Orgional Farimir]

The Devs don't care. Heck there is a person who posts on this board that multiboxes for PvP. He runs 4 archers on proxy dragons. He has been paged on multiple times and is still playing. No reason to get all worked up over stuff that you can't control and the devs don't care about.

 

[SpyderBite]

This doesn't happen on Siege. Just sayin.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Well.....The only it will stop is if we go back to all Fel rules then at least we could pk the offending noob characters then gang pk the main controlling character. If someone has a gold crystal you could pop a Harbinger , then invise , and watch the ensuing chaos. Contrary to what most people think there is such a thing as Trammie pvp , it just requires a little creativity.

 

[CovenantX]

When did EA's stance on Multi-clienting change?
It's been awhile but before I took my break from UO Multi-client was running more than one instances of UO on the same computer. Doing so was easily detectable by a GM and could get you banned.
Multi-boxing was running more than one computer with UO running on each one. Doing so was legal as long as you weren't macroing unattended.

Honestly, I don't remember when, but you're able to open more than one client for at least 4+ years now.

 

[S_S]

Opening more than 1 client with one char and each moving differently is NOT multiboxing. Multiboxing is having several chars logged in following the same keystroke so that all the chars move on the same tile, cast the same spells at the same time, target the same target at once, etc etc while just having to control the main char.

 

[Smoot]

[UO Herald] Official Response to Multiboxing

http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-official-response-to-multiboxing.240984/

that "official response" is very vague and misleading. its wording could be used to both in support of "legal" third party programs, and also against it. i think the poster probably meant "multi-clienting" again its really not clear at all and easily interpreted mulitple ways.

 

[The Zog historian]

When did EA's stance on Multi-clienting change?
It's been awhile but before I took my break from UO Multi-client was running more than one instances of UO on the same computer. Doing so was easily detectable by a GM and could get you banned.
Multi-boxing was running more than one computer with UO running on each one. Doing so was legal as long as you weren't macroing unattended.

Please note the difference, right in what you quoted, between running multiple clients and automating multiple clients. The latter is considered scripting.

 

[The Zog historian]

Honestly, I don't remember when, but you're able to open more than one client for at least 4+ years now.

Even before the ability to run multiple clients in the same Windows session, I have never known EA to care merely about multiple clients on the same computer. Starting with XP it was easy to switch to a different Windows user, but in effect it was no different than using a second computer.

 

[Vexxed]

Saw something interesting.........The question is did the idoc fall already?

 

[Eärendil]

That's exactly the kind of Conduct that has been happening that caused the Dev Team to make the IDOC Timer random now. While the Scripter's and other less than Legit players most probably still have the upper hand, this change does provide a little help to the honest IDOCer.

Does it? I have done many Idocs. Please explain how this helps ..

 

[Bobar]

That's exactly the kind of Conduct that has been happening that caused the Dev Team to make the IDOC Timer random now. While the Scripter's and other less than Legit players most probably still have the upper hand, this change does provide a little help to the honest IDOCer.

I don't know what gives you the idea that this change helps the legitimate player. Changing the fall time to random so that a legit player may have to wait for up to 13 hours at an idoc surrounded by bots doing the same thing for the scripters is not my idea of 'a little help'.

As for the suggestions in other threads hoping the Devs will do something about scripting. dream on. They never have and in my humble opinion, never will. I agree with several others, they do not care.

 

[mysty]

i know that guy, he's doing idocs on multiple shards and always with 10-15 Young (Trial accounts). all with looting scripts.
he's also very active on Stratics and selling stuff also for cash.
that's why i prefer felu idocs

 

[azmodanb]

yeah gotta love fel idocs ...

that's why i keep suggesting the zone that's preventing placement of houses turn into fel rules and reds allowed to go to all facets and only be attakable and able to attack in that zone.

i made a fel idoc griefer just for afk players.

detect.. tracking... psn.. stealth hide fencing heh .. i clear em out.

then use my blue to loot.

but 99% of the time there is nothing to clear out in fel. its just for the afk people.. if you move i tend to leave ya alone.

 

[Tazar]

This doesn't happen on Siege. Just sayin.

Um... yes it does happen on Siege. Even in Faction Fighting. There are even video's of it that have been made on Siege.

 

[THP]

afk script looting as been reported for years....ive seen houses fall with looking like max storage inside...loads of chests etc etc... and as soon as the 3/ 4000 items hit the deck..within seconds its gone...whirling around in mid air.....thats why i retired from Idocing... kinda seemed pointless...oh well...it was fun and good while it lasted legit back in the day

 

[Lord Nabin]

All,

First I am sorry to those of you legit IDOCer's if posting this brings in a few extra people. (I would normally never do this as if you want to be at an IDOC you need to find it). But if you are going to play by the rules you have no chance. Someone (name withheld) opened a gate and brought in 30 "young" accounts. I mean how in the heck can you even control 30 accounts at once?? Maybe a Dev will take notice and figure out there is a problem but it seems unlikely.

I was going to post a picture of it but am deciding against it.

The house is greatly worn right now and has a two story statue on the front porch (to ID it to those watching). Just in case you think you have a shot at anything playing by the rules you might not want to miss any sleep over it.

Blood Ghoul

 

[Olahorand]

Pics would contain names, what is against the Stratics rules ... currently the guy in question has his Trial army surrouning an IDOC on Europe.
He has also be seen on Legends and Drachenfels (and I beleve also on other shards).
Multiboxing says, that he is doing one click or key press to perform a syncronzied action, i.e. converting ALL his ninja youngs to rabbits at the same time.

 

[Bobar]

Pics would contain names, what is against the Stratics rules ... currently the guy in question has his Trial army surrouning an IDOC on Europe.
He has also be seen on Legends and Drachenfels (and I beleve also on other shards).
Multiboxing says, that he is doing one click or key press to perform a syncronzied action, i.e. converting ALL his ninja youngs to rabbits at the same time.

I waited at an idoc on Europa for a couple of hours last night before I gave up and saw the usual nonsense 'young' names but the 5 'rabbits' I saw were all inside. Now knowing that scripter bots are sometimes referred to as rabbits is he demonstrating his total contempt for the TOS?. He obviously knows that he can blatantly use scripts with impunity and why shouldn't he?. The absolute lack of ANY input whatsoever from above regarding proposed action against scripters would engender this belief.

Has anybody got a good enough memory to remember the last time there was ANYTHING AT ALL posted regarding reducing scripting? The last thing I can recall from many years ago was the proposed introduction of PUNKBUSTER and that never happened either.

 

[CronusVl]

What problem to stop these people?
On Europe too this situation.

1) Forbid all installation new houses in radius destructions of the idoc and after fell on 10-30 minutes.
2) Trial accounts can't be near such this house.
3) Animals can be damage (also can be killed) in radius destructions(exception, if player sit on this animal).
4) To establish a delay on lifting of things from idocs(it can be random 1-3 sec).
5) If this event, then add chance on appearance of several monsters(which can attack people and in stealth/hiding mode).

Or another solution for this problem. Block main account this scripter with confiscation all items on all shards at this person. It is done by one person. who want cash for this items!
And people will start being afraid.
We want the identical rights and conditions for receiving items from idocs.

 

[kRUXCg7]

Ok this is how it really should work:

IDOC plots should be under a ruleset similar to the New Magincia stalls. The highest bidder wins. If noone bids, well bad luck, the plot is emptied. 1 Week.

Items:
Just collect all items from falling houses and add those items to that casino on that island. Make it so that people will be aware that they are not only gambling for gold but also for IDOC loot.

Conclusion:

1. More chances for the non-scripters
2. More fun
3. Huge gold sink
4. No items lost
5. Finally some motivation to visit the casino again

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

This doesn't happen on Siege. Just sayin.

Because nobody is on Siege to see or hear a house fall in the woods. Just sayin...

 

[Blood Ghoul]

To fix it/combat it just make all decaying homes private..

Last night I was at a house on Atlantic and this is what was in the home:



There were two other players and an army of hidden "Young"players.. (I am so glad the trial program allows 20+ new players to all log on at the same time, find this IDOC and camp out at it until it falls..the program really allows trial players to experience the world of UO..Give me a break). All those chests were massive in weight, 80,000 stones plus.

So we were standing there and the house finally fell. For like 1 second nothing happened and I was able to pick up the chest to my right (Thats me in the upper part of the screen). The person standing off the pad was able to grab one of those commodity deed boxes. Then 99% of the rest of the chests/items all lifted off the ground and vanished. Of course he/she/they left the soulforge, three holiday bells, missed one corner of the blue rubble rug and two parrots for us.

I guess when the other player and I moved our target chests maybe they were out of range of the bot because we each got 1 chest of rubble. This is what it looked like 20 seconds after it fell.



I mean seriously!!! They are able to loot chests weighing more than 100,000 stones, open them in mid air, and teleport (I use that term loosely as no spells were ever cast) unseen to who knows where. We stood there until after server went down and came back up..no trace of anything.

I cannot believe they do not consider this a problem and I refuse to believe they cannot detect this nonsense occurring. A bit of cheating I can even live with. If someone uses a script to grab a certain item thats fine by me. If you need to do that to feel good about yourself go for it..but loot an entire house give me a break. The player at the lower right is newer and he wanted one of the 10 or so SOT books (they were all in the 280 full range) for skills to use. The scripters took every single one. I know the price of SOTs and compared to the rest of the items in the house they were worthless. I am sure the person who did it is reading this..That was a punk move!!

Players are reporting, emailing, paging and there is zero response from any of the Devs. They do not even acknowledge there is a problem. There is no way any of them are in on it as they would just create new items, go into houses and take stuff, and so on. I know for a fact they can go into your bank box and take stuff from you. So none of them are "in on it" as other suggest. But it makes no sense they will not do a single thing about it.

Just make house private as soon as they go into decay mode so scripters cannot store targeted items. (friends and co-owners can still enter). That would be one way to help.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

I did get these cool rubble jars in my box though

 

[petemage]

Just make house private as soon as they go into decay mode so scripters cannot store targeted items. (friends and co-owners can still enter). That would be one way to help.

Won't help. When the house falls, they will have there lists build before your client has even rendered all the new items.

This guy is ridiculing the whole Dev team by using *unpaid* accounts. Always pushing the boundaries.

 

[drcossack]

I'm sure the wording in that post is inaccurate and misleading. Obviously, a Dev would need to comment on this to clarify.

Multi-Boxing: requires a program to control multiple characters at once, say if you set a macro on all of the characters, to have one key perform multiple actions on multiple clients at the same time. I'm pretty sure (like 100%) this is illegal, otherwise, you'd see people doing this in pvp.

Dual/Multi-Clienting: is legal, whereas you need to control each character individually, whether it be multiple clients on the same machine or multiple machines.
(this is what people do to get a spell-weaving circle for themselves, during 'off' hours, on less populated shards)

The illegal part is when it becomes automated.

Yup...and I'm pretty sure people have, at the very least, tried it in pvp. I haven't seen the guy too often since that first night though...and when I do, it's only one of him.

Even before the ability to run multiple clients in the same Windows session, I have never known EA to care merely about multiple clients on the same computer. Starting with XP it was easy to switch to a different Windows user, but in effect it was no different than using a second computer.

Yup, I remember this. Since it was on the same computer (and you'd have to switch between users), I believe it was mostly used for rez'ing pets?

 

[DJAd]

I cannot believe they do not consider this a problem and I refuse to believe they cannot detect this nonsense occurring.

Sadly I don't think they can detect it or I'm sure it would of been dealt with a long time ago. Same thing goes for the people "multi boxing" at the EM Events that Olcher made a video showing a great example. I can't see how they would know what other programs are running outside of UO.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

From what i have seen at Private houses its a mad rush. I have never ever seen everything vanish like at public houses. Even if they "build" there lists I still do not see how they can make a huge impact. There has to be some limit to the programs or they'd just steal inside our secured boxes.

At the house last night there were atleast 15 hidden scripter characters. So they couldn't take it all with one or they would have. They also don't seem to move so even it they somehow grab stuff on the perimeter there will be stuff in the middle for the rest.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

Sadly I don't think they can detect it or I'm sure it would of been dealt with a long time ago. Same thing goes for the people "multi boxing" at the EM Events that Olcher made a video showing a great example. I can't see how they would know what other programs are running outside of UO.

You'd think they could spend a couple minutes of their time investigating it. There is no way a Dev does not know when a house is going to fall. The system sets it on a timer of some sort that a dev could read. All he/she needs to do is flag some stuff in the house, watch it all get sucked up, transported away, and then hammer the next paid account who takes the items. In the ToS it clearly states taking any item acquired by a cheat is a violation of ToS.

 

[Tina Small]

I don't do IDOCs, so these are probably dumb questions. But can you at some point see inside the chests at an IDOC so you know what is in them, even if they were secured and only accessible to the original house owner? Also, is it common to see so many commodity deed boxes scattered across the floor like that at an IDOC? Do you think the original owner put them there or could someone else have added them later to assist with grabbing heavy loot and converting it to commodity deeds and then maybe sending it off with bags of sending? I don't understand how anyone could make even one heavy chest disappear so fast, let alone many of them. It's insane.

 

[Blood Ghoul]

As far as I know they cannot see inside the boxes..what bother when they can take it all in one swoop. The former player just must have collected/bought lots of Commodity deed boxes. Nothing changed or was happening until the house fell..

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

Has anybody got a good enough memory to remember the last time there was ANYTHING AT ALL posted regarding reducing scripting? The last thing I can recall from many years ago was the proposed introduction of PUNKBUSTER and that never happened either.

Draconi went around burning down the houses of some infamous scripters and placed an "effigy of a traitor" in their place.
But yeah, Punkbuster was never implemented because the cheaters started a massive misinformation campaign against it, and it worked. Alot of people voted "NO" on Punkbuster. After that point, EA basically said "**** it, they don't want cheating stopped", and haven't lifted a finger to stop it since.

 

[THP]

devs sod the next publish..sort this scripting **** out next....WE DONT HAVE TO LIVE with and accept it....NO NO NO

 

[Bobar]

Rare picture of Devs after hearing the word 'SCRIPTING;

 

[outcry]

Why not when it hits the Idoc state put it as osi owned, then at the end of the month, broadsword can just deleted all osi owned houses. Would end all the bickering about the scripters , multiboxers , while the few of us who still do it by hand lose out I would rather see this system then the scripters get it.

 

[Tjalle]

*coughs* Restrict trial accounts to New Haven and Test Center... *coughs*

 

[RockoNV]

All,

First I am sorry to those of you legit IDOCer's if posting this brings in a few extra people. (I would normally never do this as if you want to be at an IDOC you need to find it). But if you are going to play by the rules you have no chance. Someone (name withheld) opened a gate and brought in 30 "young" accounts. I mean how in the heck can you even control 30 accounts at once?? Maybe a Dev will take notice and figure out there is a problem but it seems unlikely.

I was going to post a picture of it but am deciding against it.

The house is greatly worn right now and has a two story statue on the front porch (to ID it to those watching). Just in case you think you have a shot at anything playing by the rules you might not want to miss any sleep over it.

Blood Ghoul

Scripters on Atlantic at an IDOC? No! This is old news and Broadsword will not make a move on it (which is also old news).