Paging system (for reporting players) needs work

[drcossack]

Background: I've been in Blackthorn (both Fel & Tram) farming the evil mages for the Hooded Robe of Blackthorn. Usually, it goes off without any issues & I can farm without worrying about anyone luring.

Unfortunately, for the past few days, I've had to deal with a player doing exactly that. He does it in both Fel & Tram, but I obviously won't page for the former - I'd just kill him if the opportunity arose. I know exactly who's doing it (and he's done it to me twice today), but when I go to report him (under physical harassment), the given options don't work: Target involved players is worthless if they leave the area, typing his name says it isn't valid, selecting a name from a list doesn't even GIVE me a list (probably because no other players are around), and I don't know his Chat ID # (though I will be keeping an eye out for it)

The EA help page (http://help.ea.com/en/article/how-do-i-report-someone-for-harassment-in-uo/) tells me not to wait until they're gone to page, which doesn't even help - he's lured while hidden too.

Would it be possible to make paging for harassment a little simpler? Just allow us to give the offender's name (wherever they are) & maybe a screenshot or two to go with it.

 

[RaistlinNowhere]

it doesnt need work ..... it does need GMs

 

[Tazar]

Check his name carefully and look for tricks. Zero instead of O. A one instead of a lower-case L, etc. I've found that to be the usual cause of the system not recognizing a name.

 

[S_S]

I have thieves on several shards and I check for the painting in the mage room quite often. All I got to say is if you are one of the MANY tamers that sit there for hours unchecked, sucks to be you. I get a thrill every time I see a dead tamer and dead pet sitting there for hours until they finally decide to check their char and notice they are dead! You are on an actively moving char and getting lured on, then yes that's harassment.

 

[Goodmann]

Background: I've been in Blackthorn (both Fel & Tram) farming the evil mages for the Hooded Robe of Blackthorn. Usually, it goes off without any issues & I can farm without worrying about anyone luring.

Unfortunately, for the past few days, I've had to deal with a player doing exactly that. He does it in both Fel & Tram, but I obviously won't page for the former - I'd just kill him if the opportunity arose. I know exactly who's doing it (and he's done it to me twice today), but when I go to report him (under physical harassment), the given options don't work: Target involved players is worthless if they leave the area, typing his name says it isn't valid, selecting a name from a list doesn't even GIVE me a list (probably because no other players are around), and I don't know his Chat ID # (though I will be keeping an eye out for it)

The EA help page (http://help.ea.com/en/article/how-do-i-report-someone-for-harassment-in-uo/) tells me not to wait until they're gone to page, which doesn't even help - he's lured while hidden too.

Would it be possible to make paging for harassment a little simpler? Just allow us to give the offender's name (wherever they are) & maybe a screenshot or two to go with it.

Well if your not AFK it's simple to find out who they are, AFK tamers are a problem though farming 10 shards at once They have killed the need to actually even kill the generals/lighthouses (which no one does)

 

[drcossack]

I have thieves on several shards and I check for the painting in the mage room quite often. All I got to say is if you are one of the MANY tamers that sit there for hours unchecked, sucks to be you. I get a thrill every time I see a dead tamer and dead pet sitting there for hours until they finally decide to check their char and notice they are dead! You are on an actively moving char and getting lured on, then yes that's harassment.

From the in-game help menu, when you go to physical harassment: "Physical harassment includes but is not limited to luring and any act that causes a player's death in Trammel" - it doesn't matter if the person is afk farming or not. I was killed once by the lured spawn, and my greater was killed twice.

Also, I don't know what shard you play, but with an attitude like yours, I'd be more than happy to lure monsters on you if I ever found you afk.

 

[S_S]

From the in-game help menu, when you go to physical harassment: "Physical harassment includes but is not limited to luring and any act that causes a player's death in Trammel" - it doesn't matter if the person is afk farming or not. I was killed once by the lured spawn, and my greater was killed twice.

Also, I don't know what shard you play, but with an attitude like yours, I'd be more than happy to lure monsters on you if I ever found you afk.

That's just it.. you WON'T find me AFK. I have the decency to not sit there if I cannot watch my char. Nice to know you support AFK players though.

 

[Laura_Gold]

This morning I saw an archer-tamer in the first room. He was standing in front of the hallway. I stayed in the first room with him, while his dragon was free to move.

I'm pretty sure it was his own dragon that brought Lord of the Abyss upon us. I didn't have any ability to heal the archer-tamer, so I had to watch the tragedy. This was Trammel so I was unable to recover his loot. One mage looted him, but took only gold.

 

[drcossack]

That's just it.. you WON'T find me AFK. I have the decency to not sit there if I cannot watch my char. Nice to know you support AFK players though.

Did I say that? Oh wait. I didn't. What I DON'T support is killing afk players in Trammel, since it's been against the rules since it was introduced; if you know someone is afk in Tram, just page on them. In Fel, who cares - if you go afk there & get killed, it's your own damn fault.

This morning I saw an archer-tamer in the first room. He was standing in front of the hallway. I stayed in the first room with him, while his dragon was free to move.

I'm pretty sure it was his own dragon that brought Lord of the Abyss upon us. I didn't have any ability to heal the archer-tamer, so I had to watch the tragedy. This was Trammel so I was unable to recover his loot. One mage looted him, but took only gold.

That happens. It's also why I lure the Balron far away - my GD can kill them without being healed, but when you combine a Balron with several mages whacking away at it, it will likely die quickly. While the Balron goes poof & respawns after a few hours, it chills in that little room west of the gold eles until it happens.

 

[Petra Fyde]

One of the shards I play had an AFK farmer in Felucca. My hubby took his thief to keep him company for a while. When we logged off to go eat an alliance mate took over. In all 4 alliance thieves spent a little time with him over a period of 2 days. After that he didn't come back.
Can't think why.
No one lured on him
No one killed him.

 

[S_S]

This morning I saw an archer-tamer in the first room. He was standing in front of the hallway. I stayed in the first room with him, while his dragon was free to move.

I'm pretty sure it was his own dragon that brought Lord of the Abyss upon us. I didn't have any ability to heal the archer-tamer, so I had to watch the tragedy. This was Trammel so I was unable to recover his loot. One mage looted him, but took only gold.

Let me get this right. You are basically sorry that an AFK player and his/her pet died and lost their stuff due to the player not being there to watch what was happening to them while they collected artifacts unattended? What am I missing, do I NOT have the right mentality to play this game anymore?

 

[Gidge]

Let me get this right. You are basically sorry that an AFK player and his/her pet died and lost their stuff due to the player not being there to watch what was happening to them while they collected artifacts unattended? What am I missing, do I NOT have the right mentality to play this game anymore?

You kinda missed the story telling. Let me say it so you can grasp it.

I moved my character into the first room and there was a character in there, an archer, who also had a pet dragon. I will killing things too and before you knew it, I noticed the archer was dying and without a distance healing skill, They died and didn't come back for their body, as I was not right next to them. They had to be afk. well nothing I could do at that point. I got a pile of gold that was looted from him when I killed the looting monster though! (pretty close Laura?)

 

[Cetric]

Whiners...

 

[Tjalle]

Let me get this right. You are basically sorry that an AFK player and his/her pet died and lost their stuff due to the player not being there to watch what was happening to them while they collected artifacts unattended? What am I missing, do I NOT have the right mentality to play this game anymore?

Read between the lines of her story...

 

[Dodger]

I lure on afk farmers anytime I see them. I ask if they are there first if I don't get a response after the third time I assume they are afk and must die.

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

From the in-game help menu, when you go to physical harassment: "Physical harassment includes but is not limited to luring and any act that causes a player's death in Trammel"

That's not enforced at all by the GMs. Just ask the scores of people who've called GMs on the griefers in Tram Despise on Atlantic for months.

 

[drcossack]

That's not enforced at all by the GMs. Just ask the scores of people who've called GMs on the griefers in Tram Despise on Atlantic for months.

Except that's how Despise works, stupid as it is. If you take a negative karma char into the upper level, you'll be attacked by whatever's there, whether trained or not. Same if you go into the lower level on a positive karma char (not sure about a negative karma char in the lower level)

In Blackthorn and every other dungeon in the Tram ruleset, it is (and always has been) illegal to cause a player's death. Remember the "Gate to Ratman Village" schtick in Ice Dungeon? I fell victim to it once, never said anything. While it did end up getting me killed, it was my own damn fault for going through that gate to begin with. Whether the player is actually there or not (I am, otherwise I'd never notice that I or my pet have been killed, which happened again about 20 minutes ago) doesn't matter - it's against the rules to kill a player by luring.

For the record, the guy (assuming it's the same as originally mentioned, or one of his alt chars) is now doing it while hidden, likely by using hiding/stealth/herding. Unfortunately for him, it only got my pet killed.

 

[Zuckuss]

I think the point of this thread was about adding simplification to the report system, not the justification of luring on AFK players.

 

[azmodanb]

I also support killing afk players.. if you dont respond i invis you.. if you don't appear till the spell wears off monsters find there way to you.

and i expect it in return.

 

[azmodanb]

i sometimes leave an archer or a Samp or dragon in blackthorn.. for a bit while i walk away to smoke or make something for my four year old to eat. Im honest. if i come back dead!?!! i honestly don't care. i get rez .. and move on.

anyone wanna buy 100 minax drops?

 

[drcossack]

I think the point of this thread was about adding simplification to the report system, not the justification of luring on AFK players.

It was, but as is the norm on Stratics, everyone gets on their high horses about players doing anything afk, which isn't even happening here. When they'll just as quickly do things afk themselves. Apparently, people are overlooking something important here: the fact that I know who initially did this (and likely still is, but either does it while hidden or stays out of my screen range, preventing his name from appearing in the journal), so I am clearly NOT afk farming in Blackthorn.

That said, it won't be an issue in future trips to Blackthorn.

 

[Jirel of Joiry]

Honestly problems with the paging system have been around awhile. Back when Jeremy was UO Community Coordinator(remember her anyone?) I remember telling her of a problem I encountered with the paging system. You could use the harassment feature and target the player and it would say the player didn't exist. Even if they were standing in front of you, you'd still get player does not exist. The one that stands out in my mind was a player that was harassing a number of people and on top of that their name was extremely vulgar. I remember the name but stratics rules prevent me from posting it.(PM me if you just have to know) Anyway repeated attempts were made to page and always "That character does not exist". I gave up on GMs as far as player harassment. I figure "An eye for an eye". You lure on me, I will lure on you. You harass me, I'll return the favor....in SPADES. The way I figure it we're on our own.

 

[Swt Lippy Hippy]

Some times people run in to see if the painting spawns, they do not always do it on purpose. I know that I have run in that room and I am on a character that can not hide and it follows me. Some luring is accidental and not so personal. If you can not kill a daemon with a greater dragon ..... You need a better pet ? Peace

 

[James Moriarty]

Looks like a lot of people are more worried about what other people are doing in game rather than enjoying the game for themselves. Some people need to get a life and just move on, life is too short to be watching other players for days on end trying to get the better of them. When your coming to the end of your life like some of us on here are and you choose to spend those last precious days making sure someone does not get some pixel art. Maybe you would be better spending that precious time with your grandchildren

 

[Tjalle]

I don´t consider an afk farmer a "player" as the char is not being played. So I say, lure away...

 

[Gnoopey]

I don´t consider an afk farmer a "player" as the char is not being played. So I say, lure away...

while I have to admit the OP's issues with the reporting system, it's as simple as Tjalle mentioned ... *points to statement above* ...

An AFK farmer is by NO means a 'player' but a bot ! Those bots CANNOT be harassed by any players - be it in Trammel or in Felucca ...

And by the way ... there's a much better / faster / more elegant 'way' down there in the Blackthorn's basement ... and that way is HERDING ... far superior than luring and ... that's even "legal" ... if a bot is in the way of a herded beast "accidentally" ... who cares? ;-)

 

[drcossack]

Some times people run in to see if the painting spawns, they do not always do it on purpose. I know that I have run in that room and I am on a character that can not hide and it follows me. Some luring is accidental and not so personal. If you can not kill a daemon with a greater dragon ..... You need a better pet ? Peace

Dreamy, if they run in to see if the painting is there, they don't have the wild greater dragon coming along with them. The Balron, ok. But that's also why I lure it away (well, mostly because my dragon occasionally goes down to where it spawns & attacks/kills it, then the next one spawns & it fights that, often dying to the second one)

And for the last time: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT AFK FARMING. If you want to discuss it, do it in another thread. Luring happens in Fel too (which saddens me. But hey, I get to go back on my red and kill them if they stick around. Which they usually don't.)

For everyone complaining about afk'ers and that they'd lure to kill them: Let me ask you one question. How many of you work your skills by afk'ing? I'm willing to bet you all do it.

 

[Tjalle]

For everyone complaining about afk'ers and that they'd lure to kill them: Let me ask you one question. How many of you work your skills by afk'ing? I'm willing to bet you all do it.

You would lose that bet.

As for the topic, I can´t really think of any changes to the targeting system that would be viable. I was gonna mention the ability to target greyed out life bars but I´m not sure if that would be more positive or negative.

 

[Dodger]

I really try and avoid paging a gm because they must get inundated with petty pages. Unless someone gets racial I dont page. I just make a mental note and if the opportunity arises employ my own brand of justice.

 

[drcossack]

I really try and avoid paging a gm because they must get inundated with petty pages. Unless someone gets racial I dont page. I just make a mental note and if the opportunity arises employ my own brand of justice.

The last time I paged a GM, I was on my Sampire doing a Coon spawn at Marble. I ended up getting stuck in some trees & naturally couldn't get out. I ended up using help/stuck to zap to Papua (I was in war mode before that, and got the "Enter your problem" prompt), making the GM's assistance pointless. I thanked them though.

Beyond that, that's why I've been staying in Fel Blackthorn. Unfortunately, one (who inspired the thread to begin with) leaves after luring (Seriously, YOU'RE IN FELUCCA. JUST KILL THE PLAYER DIRECTLY) and the other will stay...but she runs away on me when I go on my red. Behavior like that makes me ashamed to call Lake Superior home, and if this is how (some) people play in Fel these days, I might as well just call it quits again.

If I had gone to a dungeon when UO was more active & farmed, I likely would've been killed by a player; in fact, it actually happened when Pub 26 got introduced. I went to Fel Ice Dungeon for Arctics & some EoS (PvP guild on LS years back) people showed up, then res'd me. Now it's just players luring monsters because they don't want a count.

 

[Bobar]

The original request in this thread was to make the reporting system easier, a request I certainly agree with. The current system is extremely poor and could do with some work. Nothing more to say.

 

[Swt Lippy Hippy]

And for the last time: THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT AFK FARMING. If you want to discuss it, do it in another thread. Luring happens in Fel too (which saddens me. But hey, I get to go back on my red and kill them if they stick around. Which they usually don't.)

For everyone complaining about afk'ers and that they'd lure to kill them: Let me ask you one question. How many of you work your skills by afk'ing? I'm willing to bet you all do it.

No some of us love to earn our way through the whole game. That is what teamwork and community is about. It is a good feeling to know I earned my gold one studded tunic at a time and selling one Orc Mage tunic at a time, one barbed kit at a time. Part of the fun of the game to me was when we all built skills together in the tailor shop, making friends, and even foe's fighting for who buys the thread first so we can get our cloth lol... Looking back those were fun times and miss those kind of days. Now all I see are spammers at the bank and chars working on those wolf spiders.... Everyone wants a character in 3 days ... Yes I think alot of people seem to be proud of their afk skilling, and don't hesitate to brag about it in chat even. I just prefer to not play that way. My own choice. It took me 2 years to make my full bard mage lol.... I hated grinding at that but I did it and dont want to do it any other way. I love the end result and I learned more about the skill as I used it. So there is the answer to your one question. EVEN though this thread is not about afk farming.

I wish the system was different also. A broken rule is a broken rule, whether its luring, racial , harassment or any other tos rule. If a gm watched you from log in to log out.... Would you be worried about being able to log in the next day? lol I know that I do not have to worry when I go to log in. (unless its account billing problem) LOL

Peace and thanks for letting me post. Don't KOS me doodle hehe

 

[Dodger]

If someone harrass' you or is rude or doesn't gel with you add them to ignore. People report for the dumbest reasons clogging up the system with trivial gripes

 

[claudia-fjp]

Just watched 1 guy gate in about 12 (young) characters to a second IDOC in as many days. Needless to say the event items at the first one were script looted. Managed to page and target a few of them as well as the character gating them in today. Who wants to bet nothing will be done?

Asking for a better system is pointless when nothing is going to be done anyway, they need the subs too badly.

 

[azmodanb]

*turns on evil* how about at house fall area becomes fel rules.

 

[CovenantX]

*turns on evil* how about at house fall area becomes fel rules.

but if you take enough murder counts you get banished to actual fel. bah!, you almost got me!

 

[azmodanb]

hehehe yeah. that's the catch... reds would have to be allowed in all facet.

they would be unable to attack players anywhere but idocs at time of drop. make the area the same area as the zone in which u can't place a house with same timer

.....

or a small fix... young players get booted to haven on drop and can't be in the "area".. (would also apply to trial accounts)

or both

 

[azmodanb]

would be a form of player enforced anti scripting. so to speak