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*DEVS - Can someone PLEASE explain what is going on with IDOCS

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At this point I have been on most shards looking at idocs and watching their decay cycles. it is definitely random at this point. No stage of time is safe from the evil UO clock. Please tell all your friends and spread the word that anything that can decay will decay at an abnormal rate as of right now.
 

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Has anyone checked if the UO time is working as usual? tbh, i have no idea if there is a way to know if its working ok.
I think it was 1 UO day every 1 RL hour ? or something like that..
 

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Yup my fish tanks have been on a feed me EVERY DAY! routine sense this started... i thought I was going bugging when I happened to look and again they were hungry.... I dont mind the mibs geesh but every day? (yes i been getting 3 mibs per feeding time on origin alone..)
 

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I am personally enjoying the randomness. I have been watching a few idocs on Yamato. Sometimes I make it, sometimes I don't. I have always felt that idocs should be more random so people can't just plan their day around them. But the whole understanding that you have 5 days to move your stuff if you decay a house is going to hurt a lot of people. If the change was planned, some sort of announcement needs to go out before people lose their stuff unknowingly. Not everyone checks stratics...
 

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I was watching over 10 idocs past 2 days on all kind of servers!!!
There is houses falling at SW stage
The House goes from SW to FW to GW and Colapse in less than 2 days!!! Normally 5 Days!
Its all Random....
I saw 2 houses go OSI with Vendors on the house and on the next day the house was gone!!

I have a lot of friends that is planning on closing their accounts if this become permanent...

There is a lot of different profession in this game and IDOC is one of them, and They are killing the joy!!!

There is nothing wrong on planning your life according to the Idoc time, you know you have 5 days until house A or B collapse , you can plan transfers , you keep yourself organized that way...

Just my 2 cents....... and i think a lot of people would agree!!!

I just sold a house to a guy and he is afraid to receive the house and not have enough time to decorate the house before moving!!!!
 

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there is a house falling in my block and its moving along at the proper rate.
 

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I honestly can't tell... just believe what's being reported. The truth is, I probably couldn't find an IDOC if my life depended on it.
 

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Its newer constructions, got bad brickwork...falls faster....must be fun with totally random fall time.

Id see a 5 day cycle if condemned, and a totally random if acc goes inactive!!! :pirate:
 

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It could be that the devs are trying to open up as much house space as they possibly can before starting Return To Britannia, that way all the new players would be able to easily find a house and be more likely to keep playing.
 

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Captn just send them to Malas... hun that place is open so much on nearly every shard. They dont need to make room .... unless they only do the drops on atlantic.... that place could use a clearing hehe
 

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If there was a problem...iam pretty sure mesanna and her team .... would have temporarily stopped all decay by now...on these reports as a caution measure....[.just saying]
 

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Something is different. They are falling faster. I saw this. Maybe they all left the state for the week end and could not stop it remotely.

As for this new random way being fun. Not to me. But ask the idoc scripters. They can sit at them forever. Maybe it is fun for them.

To the people that lost things, I am so sorry and hope this is made right.
 

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It could be that the devs are trying to open up as much house space as they possibly can before starting Return To Britannia, that way all the new players would be able to easily find a house and be more likely to keep playing.
That sounds like a possibility.
 

Capt. Lucky

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That sounds like a possibility.
It's gotta be a bug. You'd have to be nuts to throw something like that into the game and say nothing about it. Messing with house decay might be fun, but all the other stuff makes little sense. I've had my credit card rejected before for no known reason other than some electronic hiccup. So this kinda thing puts me on edge a bit. I have several accounts and I'm not in the habit of checking each one daily. Although I think I will make a list of when my accounts come due and keep a little better track of it.
 

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It's gotta be a bug. You'd have to be nuts to throw something like that into the game and say nothing about it. Messing with house decay might be fun, but all the other stuff makes little sense. I've had my credit card rejected before for no known reason other than some electronic hiccup. So this kinda thing puts me on edge a bit. I have several accounts and I'm not in the habit of checking each one daily. Although I think I will make a list of when my accounts come due and keep a little better track of it.
I know everyone would appreciate some input/explanation from the Devs right now.
 

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I know everyone would appreciate some input/explanation from the Devs right now.
devs dont usually read uo hall silly. i would suggest some emailing if your concerned. or at least pms : )
 

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RTB accounts cannot place houses anymore so that point is moot. Its a bug. Emails have been sent. Ignored for the weekend. My eggs did grow today, so hopefully its fixed. As far as all the lost items, no clue what they will do. My guess is nothing.
 

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It could be that the devs are trying to open up as much house space as they possibly can before starting Return To Britannia, that way all the new players would be able to easily find a house and be more likely to keep playing.
There's been a lot of similar comments so far in this thread, with people also saying how the changes aren't all bad. To that point - "randomizing" the idoc system has its pros, and its cons, but let's just say hypothetically that the pros win out and that every single poster here becomes in agreement that "randomizing" things is the way to go, it's still NOT the point of this topic.

The point of this topic is that the existing system is broken, and for some reason no one is acknowledging/responding to it officially. Houses have been at the CORE of uo since the start, and you simply cannot mess with people's houses without warning of changes. It's not like the change being discussed is how fast a Lich spawns in Deceit or how powerful that Lich is, where the worst case scenario is your character dies - the change here can mean you loose all of your belongings you've amassed over 15+ years of playing the game if your house decays unexpectedly.

If Devs wants to randomize idocs, than you post on uo.com "New Idoc rules. It's random". Some will be pissed, some will be happy, but at least we'd know it was intended and plan accordingly.

The sad thing is that its obvious this change was in NO WAY intended, as they never make such changes without warning. This is just someone on the UO team messing up big time, and UO's customer service team being so awesome that a few days later we've still received no official feedback and nothing has been fixed.
 

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devs dont usually read uo hall silly. i would suggest some emailing if your concerned. or at least pms : )
Considering that this thread was specifically addressed to the "DEVS", I don't think I was being "silly" to suggest people would appreciate input. :)
 

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It could be that the devs are trying to open up as much house space as they possibly can before starting Return To Britannia, that way all the new players would be able to easily find a house and be more likely to keep playing.
ermmmm....theres enough housing space even on atlantic for nice medium sized house...on the quieter shards placing castles are no problem as it is...and besides RTB accounts and trail accounts cant place houses
 

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If there was a problem...iam pretty sure mesanna and her team .... would have temporarily stopped all decay by now...on these reports as a caution measure....[.just saying]
like i say if there was a problem they would hve surely dealt with it...aka shard shields, etc ,etc [just saying]
 

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A Luna House just Vanished at SW stage, fully loaded and WITH vendors on it!!!
Meaning, the owner had NO chance at all to save his house and I dont believe ALL 15 vendors on the house were His!!!!
So something is not working..... A lot of the idocs Random or Not are falling during server Up..... same thing is happening with Boats and Ships!!
This things happened after the new patch and No one is addressing to us !!!
 

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THOSE ARE THE ULTIMA ONLINE RULES

And it is NOT working as it Should!!!
I believe that anything need to be addressed first and posted on the UO.com before anything!!



Condemned Houses


A condemned house is a house that will decay and fall down after 5 days. If a house is condemned, this fact will be noted on the house menu. (See the image)

StageDuration
“like new”one hour
“slightly worn”1 -2 days
“somewhat worn”1 – 2 days
“fairly worn”1 – 2 days
“greatly worn”1 – 2 days
“in danger of collapsing”12 – 24 hours
 

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Those are Not random rules, it is on UO Guide!!!

“Demolition Pending” Houses (OSI)

If your house is scheduled to decay but still has contract-vendors with unexpired contracts, the house will list as “Demolition Pending” and not fully decay until 9 days after those contracts expire. Houses with this status cannot be reclaimed, even by reactivating their accounts. These houses remain standing only to allow the contract-vendor owners to reclaim their vended inventory.

When a house collapses, new houses cannot be placed on that lot for a random amount of time.
 

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Yeah This is by no means intentional. It would make no sense to do this with out stating it very clearly as too many people have lost homes, boats, aquariums etc...

I only wish at this point we could get a response from someone to explain this, so we could all stop speculating and move on.

The situation is real, timers have definitely changed, whether that change was intentional or not doesnt matter we just need to know if there is any action going to be taken to fix this as its working out horribly for players that dont have a clue about the changes.
 
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Hide Yo Kids, Hide Yo Wife, UO Father Time is pissed. :)
 

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THOSE ARE THE ULTIMA ONLINE RULES

And it is NOT working as it Should!!!
I believe that anything need to be addressed first and posted on the UO.com before anything!!


Condemned Houses


A condemned house is a house that will decay and fall down after 5 days. If a house is condemned, this fact will be noted on the house menu. (See the image)

StageDuration
“like new”one hour
“slightly worn”1 -2 days
“somewhat worn”1 – 2 days
“fairly worn”1 – 2 days
“greatly worn”1 – 2 days
“in danger of collapsing”12 – 24 hours
ive been watching a house for 3-4 days and its at FW, so its clicking along right on scheduled.
so some stuff looks to be on the normal cycle still?
 

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I have also witnessed similar things. I have been keeping record of times so I can be certain. I have seen a castle go from fairly to idoc and vanishing within a 12 hour period.

A house I found slightly warn last night has already turned fairly warn. Something is very wrong with the decay rate. One of the houses I have seen fall way too quickly was a guild mate's and someone I know would never do anything against the rules.

I do not know what is going on, but i would not intentionally put a house in decay expecting the usual amount of time to get it emptied.
 

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Please do something to fix this ASAP!!! If you buy a new house and your old house is decaying and dropping randomly, it would mean you don't have 5 days anymore to move to your new house and you can loose all the stuff you gathered for years... :(
 

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Further update on what I am seeing:

The houses that were somewhat yesterday at 2 pm are greatly by 8 pm today. So I'm guessing 2 to 3 times as fast as normal, and it is every house I am watching. There are 8 of them decaying too fast.
 

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Just an idea. Reverse the last patch which honestly wasn't something that couldn't slide for awhile. Then do it better :) If my neighbor is jumping back and forth to Atlantic 8 times a day, I couldn't care. Yes it should be fixed, but fixed correctly. We're back to punishing the innocent again...
 

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I can confirm seeing the same on Chessy and Atl. Fish timers and IDOCs on some strange timers. I see no pattern either. They dont accelerate at a certain stage, it just happens randomly. I am 100% sure I have seen this before but never to this extent.
 

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My boats seem to be decaying normally on Catskills... I'm gonna try to find an IDOC so I can watch it.
 

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I think they like watching us sweat... 296 total people have read this thread 2 of which are @Kyronix and @Bleak and still no response... all we need is a "hey we recognize the problem and are working on it." or a "we did this intentionally good luck"

again UO obviously needs a PR person because the game has no skill in the art of talking to people.
 

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Well..It doesn't seem again to be all shards. I dropped 9 boxes on the floor of my castle and all seemed to decay very close to the exact same time. While this was not an IDOC or anything it was still a timer which seems to be fine. I dropped 9 more at 1600 hours and will see if they all vanish about the same time (and no I am not going to sit and stare at them but I'd think if the decay timer was random at least one would be gone before the others).

BG
 

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I had a small house that was fairly worn last night when I went to bed....at noon today(eastern time) it was still fairly worn...just checked it at 4:50pm eastern time and it had collapsed and some of the items were sitting there on the ground...not sure if someone grabbed some stuff or it decayed....

so it went from fairly worn at noon and collapsed before or around 4:50pm.... so greatly and idoc stage was less then 5hours in total on this one...It appears to be random, other houses I been watching stayed in greatly for about 12 hours and idoc for about 3hours before falling....

A response from the dev team would be nice :devil:
 

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They Finally said something!!!!!
Donno If I Understood right!!!
But here is, from UO.COM

""Last but not least, I am sure everyone has seen an increase in the decay rate of items on the ground, houses, and boats. This is due to a fix we had to put in for a shard crash. Due to the fact that the house decay does not give players enough time to move their items from one house to another, we are going to be putting in another patch to change this. Players will have 5 days for a house to decay.

Till next time, see you in Britannia!
Bonnie "Mesanna" Armstrong""
 

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Please, so people stop playing UO and we are worried about the left over stuff? Or is this really more about the fact that you can't loot fast enough.
 

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"It's still broken at the moment but we are working on it". Thats what its looks like to me.
 

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Please, so people stop playing UO and we are worried about the left over stuff? Or is this really more about the fact that you can't loot fast enough.
That isn't the issue. The issue is it's currently unpredictable when the house foundation will collapse. So it' makes it difficult for people who may need to juggle a house plot on one account and not lose all their possessions. It also makes it difficult for people who make a living off collecting things people don't want when their accounts close. Once a house falls, it's pretty simple to pick stuff up off the ground ;)
 
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