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The Broken Event System

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Exploit_SX

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Whether or not it is expensive to build an awesome DPS suit for events wasn't exactly the central point of the post.
The point of my post is that anyone could do it, and that the system was fair as it was.
 

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I can see why someone who spent the time/gold/$? to make a very high-end suit would be disappointed with these changes...

Top Attackers/healers/tanks should still be considered most eligible for a reward IMO...

However I do also believe that drops should also go to random players participating (with looting rights) as they are now.

Maybe split the distribution a bit, say 30% top attackers/70% random participants.
course there's the whole more accounts = more money for EA/UO, so I guess we'll see how this plays out.

Maybe sometime in the future it'll be looked at again...
 

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I can see why someone who spent the time/gold/$? to make a very high-end suit would be disappointed with these changes...

Top Attackers/healers/tanks should still be considered most eligible for a reward IMO...

However I do also believe that drops should also go to random players participating (with looting rights) as they are now.

Maybe split the distribution a bit, say 30% top attackers/70% random participants.
course there's the whole more accounts = more money for EA/UO, so I guess we'll see how this plays out.

Maybe sometime in the future it'll be looked at again...
I agree with this post except it should be the other way around 70% top attackers 30% random participants.
 

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Has nothing to do with that. I find it quite funny though that the people defending this system are those who didn't want to put the time and effort into making event characters with the old fair system.

To my opinion, putting time and effort does NOT mean just showing up at an Event with some super uber mega gear and easily get top rights thanking to some multi-billion gold points gear and weapons.....

Putting time and effort means to me playing the whole Event story line together with the Event Moderator, participating at all meetings, even those which yield no loot, prize or else, doing searches on behalf of the EM, basically, "live" the whole story line pertaining to that given Event, not just merely the closing of the Event ending up with the "drops"....

So, perhaps, a better system to my opinion would be a system where players participating to ALL of the event parts, from the beginning of it, get "points" towards their repeated participations to all of the various parts of the unfolding Event and at the closing of the Event, regardless from the hunt and the killing of the bad monsters, ONLY those players who accumulated the most points (that is spent the most time and put the most effort into the ENTIRE Event, not just the final hunt.....), may get the Event items.....

That's how I see it.
 

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To my opinion, putting time and effort does NOT mean just showing up at an Event with some super uber mega gear and easily get top rights thanking to some multi-billion gold points gear and weapons.....

Putting time and effort means to me playing the whole Event story line together with the Event Moderator, participating at all meetings, even those which yield no loot, prize or else, doing searches on behalf of the EM, basically, "live" the whole story line pertaining to that given Event, not just merely the closing of the Event ending up with the "drops"....

So, perhaps, a better system to my opinion would be a system where players participating to ALL of the event parts, from the beginning of it, get "points" towards their repeated participations to all of the various parts of the unfolding Event and at the closing of the Event, regardless from the hunt and the killing of the bad monsters, ONLY those players who accumulated the most points (that is spent the most time and put the most effort into the ENTIRE Event, not just the final hunt.....), may get the Event items.....

That's how I see it.
Again the suit costs about 20 mill and ANYONE can do it.
 

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Those going just for the drop tend to RUIN the event for anyone else.

They don't care about the story. They don't care how much effort the EM put into the event. They cause massive amounts of lag for everyone with their multiple accounts and half dozzen flappy beasts. They only care about a stupid block of pixels, everyone else be damned.

What's toxic is perpetuating this idiotic paradigm.
You are the perfect example.

BOTH SIDES NEED TO STOP. YOU ARE BOTH BEING TOXIC TO THE COMMUNITY

Again:

If you are going for just a drop, stop trying to drive off people there for story
If you are going for just a story, stop trying to drive off people there for the drop


Both sides like to lump a few bad eggs into the whole group.
 

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I can see why someone who spent the time/gold/$? to make a very high-end suit would be disappointed with these changes...

Top Attackers/healers/tanks should still be considered most eligible for a reward IMO...

I am sorry, but I cannot agree with the above because it would basically bring more wealth to those who already are too wealthy.....

For the sake of re-establishing a balance of power, I think that wealth should go to those who do not have it, not to those who have plenty of it already....

Otherwise, the "catching up" of the players in UO who do not have wealth in the game would be impossible and those players with uber suits would maintain their status and never be reached from the rest of the players....

A challenging game means, IMHO, players being on a leveling playing field with more less similar fighting capabilities.....
 

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The old system rewarded people who made characters specifically for events and who ignored plot in order to focus solely on getting a drop. The old system, in brief, was plain and simple idiocy, and there's no good argument for resurrecting it. "I no longer consistently get a drop" is not a good argument. Especially since the uber event template is still the best way to get a drop, it's just no longer guaranteed. (In other words you still have a great chance to get a drop, original poster: you just no longer have the game rigged in your favor.)

"Competitive gameplay" also is not a good argument, as the events are about a group of players competing against objective obstacles, not player versus player. If you want to compete against other players you have options. I'll give you a hint: What is the acronym for 'player versus player?'

Event templates, really, weren't competitive gameplay at any rate. They were warm security blankets for those with the time and capital to create characters that existed more-or-less solely for getting event drops. And the willingness to exploit other players' labor and effort for a guaranteed drop for themselves.

Not every player who made such a template fits that dark description, surely. But someone who would roll onto Stratics to whine about a dumb, thoughtless, and broken system being fixed, more than likely, does.

-Galen's player
 
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If (most) people are only attending events to get a drop, then the program is a complete failure.
I think you are confusing issues. I would argue that actions are more important than motives. If someone only attends events for items and is disruptive, that is a problem for everyone. If someone only attends for items but doesn't cause a problem, that is completely fine. There are a good number of xsharders who come to my shard for events, and only a fraction actually cause problems.
 

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I think you are confusing issues. I would argue that actions are more important than motives. If someone only attends events for items and is disruptive, that is a problem for everyone. If someone only attends for items but doesn't cause a problem, that is completely fine. There are a good number of xsharders who come to my shard for events, and only a fraction actually cause problems.
Also on Great Lakes there are plenty of people who plainly are there only, or at least primarily, for the drops who also contribute greatly to the event and are not disruptive. I once saw some dude say something like "Fel only, except for Tuesday nights."

While most of the problems come from players who are there only for the items, not all of the players who are there only or mostly for the items cause problems.

(I love have maintained, though, that if someone's at an event only for the item, it's a waste of time from a purely economic perspective. Farming Covetous strikes me as a more-efficient way to get a steady, large income.)

-Galen's player
 

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Give a 10% better chance to get the dropp for the topp attacker

If they get the dropp they can say it is because they are the best at UO

And if they do not get a dropp it was just bad luck anyway :)
 

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Personally, from a competitive gaming viewpoint i still agree that the old system was better. it rewarded people who developed advanced characters and skilled gameplay. there were those who refused to make competitive characters and that was their choice, however i think in the spirit of gaming, a goal to work towards, advancing your gameplay and your characters was better than letting them go stagnant and out of date. Yes its possible that anyone can get a drop now. Its also possible that because of that players are no longer encouraged to improve their skill, and utilize the gear the devs work so hard to give us in an efficient manner. In a sense, i see Events were once a very good goal for a player to test their might against the hardest content in the game (besides pvp) however now its just whoever can run the most accounts. Those who wanted a change knew this would happen tho, and they were a majority, so i dont really see much of an arguement. I myself only have 2 characters on each shard i play. Yes the people with 5-10 accounts are frustrating, but they are paying for the accounts and using the system as intended so you just have to live with it.
Create harder and long-living creatures. That way it can nudge people in the direction to skill up their character... or die..
 

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You just finished working all week. Your boss tells you that you might not get your paycheck next week because it's all random... Are you mad?
And this is your problem, you treat a game as work, and this change is cutting into your pockets. Did you really think that everyone would jump on the bandwagon to revert the system so you can make real world $$?

I've read this entire thread and truly feel sorry for you exploit, but your name does imply what you do, Cheat a system for your own gain. Actually, I'm laughing at you and others like you.

I for one am happy now when I hear someone new saying they received an event item. I know several who would go regardless, but now they have a momento. And to boot, on smaller shards, the actual players from that shard have a chance at a drop, A real chance.

Huge thumbs up to Mesanna and the Dev Team for listening to the majority!
 
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If you removed drops from EM Events, I guarantee you the attendance would plummet. And if the attendance plummets, then what is the point of having EM's? They aren't just story generators. EMs are the biggest tool shards have to increase their population, to increase the shards activity and so on.
Attendance dropping would be a bad thing why? The events as they are, are no fun, for anyone. The I'm-just-here-for-the-item-tshirt crowd is always in general unhappy having to wait through the story, bemoaning how lame the story is, flapping on top of the EM (or worse the EM basically staring in face first into the anus of the dragon that is covering him), or just upset they didn't get an item. The people there for the story are unhappy cause their screen is filled with about twenty or thirty characters being controlled by probably nine or so people, they can't see the EM, they can't see what the EM is saying because the flying gargoyle is spamming spells for no reason or HURRY HURRY HURRY over and over.

Things were pretty good early on. It was mostly just people there for the story, and that was a good crowd. At least people that were attending were happy with the event. It wasn't five or six people enjoying these story driven events, it was twenty or so. The way things have gotten, they have driven several players off. It looks like they've been replaced by more people, but in reality its barely the case cause many replacements are now multi cliented.

Drastically reducing the number of times a year an EM item is going to drop would be a good thing. It would dissuade people from constantly coming and running several clients. It would allow an event to get back to being an actual event rather than a few words, a fight, and loot.

In 2014, Players of MMOs expect to be rewarded for the time and effort they put into something. The rewards aren't always 100%, but you do something for that chance. In WoW, you raid hoping to get that gear you want, or that mount you really want. You can do the same raid for 2 years and not get that mount, RNG is RNG. You also have plenty of one time events in other MMO's. I sure wish I could get that Black Qiraji Resonating Crystal, but I cant because I missed that world event.
Hah, lets talk about reward. If the EM had his or her honest way about who deserved the reward for time, effort, and advancement contribution of an event, most would be sorely out of contention. It got ridiculous watching people stand on the backs of people like Malag, Martyna, Galen, Tune, and others making sure the riddles and clues got solved so that the party could reach the drop and then have the xshardrs and mindless masses claim all the credit and spoils. I've quit going other than the rare pop in to watch a trainwreck.

In 2014 a new MMO is coming out almost every month.
And going out of business... but we are still here.
 

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Attendance dropping would be a bad thing why? The events as they are, are no fun, for anyone. The I'm-just-here-for-the-item-tshirt crowd is always in general unhappy having to wait through the story, bemoaning how lame the story is, flapping on top of the EM (or worse the EM basically staring in face first into the anus of the dragon that is covering him), or just upset they didn't get an item. The people there for the story are unhappy cause their screen is filled with about twenty or thirty characters being controlled by probably nine or so people, they can't see the EM, they can't see what the EM is saying because the flying gargoyle is spamming spells for no reason or HURRY HURRY HURRY over and over.

Good job with your ridiculous exaggerations. Not every person there for just an item is like that. Not every RPer thinks one person is controlling 20, or is even mad about MORE people being there.

You are just as bad as the people you complain about.
 

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I think Chessy has already endured enough punishment by having EM Dross & EM Dram. (sorry, i know they both try i just find chessy very frustrating more often than not.)
Personally, I think they're 2 of the best EMs out there. :)
 

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Good job with your ridiculous exaggerations. Not every person there for just an item is like that. Not every RPer thinks one person is controlling 20, or is even mad about MORE people being there.

You are just as bad as the people you complain about.
The only thing ridiculous is you seem to think the events as they go are making most happy. They aren't. When I refer to both crowds "in general" and how they feel towards an event, I am way more correct than you will ever be. That is definitely not an exaggeration.
 

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And this is your problem, you treat a game as work, and this change is cutting into your pockets. Did you really think that everyone would jump on the bandwagon to revert the system so you can make real world $$?

I've read this entire thread and truly feel sorry for you exploit, but your name does imply what you do, Cheat a system for your own gain. Actually, I'm laughing at you and others like you.

I for one am happy now when I hear someone new saying they received an event item. I know several who would go regardless, but now they have a momento. And to boot, on smaller shards, the actual players from that shard have a chance at a drop, A real chance.

Huge thumbs up to Mesanna and the Dev Team for listening to the majority!
Actually I was talking about the time spent on building suits and characters and yes that is WORK no one enjoys building a suit or character however, they do it anyhow because the "TIME AND EFFORT" put into it pays off. Just because it's considered a game doesn't mean that certain things you do in the game are not WORK.

Bandwagon you say? I'm reading a lot of posts where people are not happy with this unbalanced system. I NEVER did events for IRL $ so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Perhaps in the future when you make a post such as this you'll get your facts straight before trying to slander someone.

As for my name, I guess you're devoid of a sense of humor which doesn't come as a shock after reading your slanderous post.
 
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The only thing ridiculous is you seem to think the events as they go are making most happy. They aren't. When I refer to both crowds "in general" and how they feel towards an event, I am way more correct than you will ever be. That is definitely not an exaggeration.
No, you really arent.

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Again the suit costs about 20 mill and ANYONE can do it.
I don't doubt it. But UO is a sandbox game that is for all types of players (PvPers, PvMers, RPGers, power gamers, collectors, etc). As such, most events are for everyone. Just because someone can do it doesn't mean they should have to do it.
 
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Has it been 6 months already?
Time sure flies...
We rehash this twice a year. There is no perfect system. There is no way to please everyone, so we try to please the most possible players, which I think they've achieved.
The EMs with the best stories and obvious efforts made towards deco and monster continuity will be the most fun for everyone, role players, item getters, and the people who just show up because they've got nothing better to do. Shockingly people do pay attention to this no matter what playstyle.
I will tell you as part of a group of people who try to do as many events as possible, we appreciate the efforts of the EMs who give a good story (shocking I know!), we also get annoyed at the people who pile on the EM as they are trying to give their RP and storyline. We also get annoyed with certain people who are legitimately multiboxing. We do understand why some of us are accused of multiboxing when we aren't.

Here's a shocking tidbit. People are still having fun! Regardless of what you think or how upset you get or how much your blood pressure rises because you didn't get a drop or someone was griefing during the whole event... people still know how to have fun regardless of what other people are doing! If you're one of the upset, angry crowd, shaking your fist at your computer monitor or smashing your keyboard so hard your Q key goes flying off, then you have a problem, not everyone else, because I assure you I am in the "XSharders United" guild, and I am willing to wager not only are we having more fun than you but more of us know what's happening in the story lines of the EMs than some of your local role players. If you aren't having fun you are the only one to blame. The rest of us are having a blast. Item or not.
Sometimes you have a lucky day and get an item. Some days you don't. Sometimes you are the bug, sometimes you are the windshield my friend.
 
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it wasnt exactly "guaranteed" before tho, it was "i have a good chance if i do everything right, dont mess up, dont die, eat all the right consumables, have my gear and template right" there was alot too it, it definitely wasnt easy mode. I still have fun at events, but do miss the rush of the competition.
Please. Quit already. You didn't have to do EVERYTHING right. With a big enough bank to buy 100 barbed runics (or more), you could make a suit that the most naive noob could survive in, let alone mashing the 5-7 keys it took to survive. Don't try to make it some incredible skill/timing/thought process. You're not dealing with a bunch of window lickers on the short bus here. An incredibly good suit, costing more gold than many players in UO have ever acquired, gave you a leg up under the old system. Then shard shields and gold sales gave those characters an even bigger leg up in having the resources to farm the events on multiple shards. Don't make it out to be some epic skill contest.
 

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I don't doubt it. But UO is a sandbox game that is for all types of players (PvPers, PvMers, RPGers, power gamers, collectors, etc). As such, most events are for everyone. Just because someone can do it doesn't mean they should have to do it.
They don't have to do it. But they shouldn't have cried because they didn't get the item thus forcing them to change the system.
 

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They don't have to do it. But they shouldn't have cried because they didn't get the item thus forcing them to change the system.
It was needed, or are you missing the point? Making it so only top damagers had a real chance of getting items made it incredibly slanted. Events that are for everyone shouldn't have been constructed in such a way that event items rarely dropped for people who didn't spend their time and money maxing out their gear.
 

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Please. Quit already. You didn't have to do EVERYTHING right. With a big enough bank to buy 100 barbed runics (or more), you could make a suit that the most naive noob could survive in, let alone mashing the 5-7 keys it took to survive. Don't try to make it some incredible skill/timing/thought process. You're not dealing with a bunch of window lickers on the short bus here. An incredibly good suit, costing more gold than many players in UO have ever acquired, gave you a leg up under the old system. Then shard shields and gold sales gave those characters an even bigger leg up in having the resources to farm the events on multiple shards. Don't make it out to be some epic skill contest.
I don't know why people seem to think these characters were hard to make... I'm not accustomed to repeating myself. However, once more, a suit with EVERYTHING needed for these events was around 20 mill. I don't know why people are talking about 100's of barbed kits and billions of gold. You people are basically just proving to me that you continued to cry about the old system with NO IDEA about what you were talking about until it was changed.
 

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I don't know why people seem to think these characters were hard to make... I'm not accustomed to repeating myself. However, once more, a suit with EVERYTHING needed for these events was around 20 mill. I don't know why people are talking about 100's of barbed kits and billions of gold. You people are basically just proving to me that you continued to cry about the old system with NO IDEA about what you were talking about until it was changed.
i disagree. with proper skills, suit cost around 3mil to make. weapons around 4mil. scrolls 3mil if you went 110 tactics.
 

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It was needed, or are you missing the point? Making it so only top damagers had a real chance of getting items made it incredibly slanted. Events that are for everyone shouldn't have been constructed in such a way that event items rarely dropped for people who didn't spend their time and money maxing out their gear.
Maybe you're missing the point? The point of my post, was that the time you put in should be rewarded. If those people did not want to do so then they didn't have to. That just means those people shouldn't have been crying about not getting items. Again, NO ONE HAD TO BUILD THESE SUITS OR CHARACTERS However, those of us who put the time in shouldn't have been screwed over because a few people were lazy.
 

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Okay I'm putting my 2 cents ...okay more like 1.50 into this........

Okay does anyone besides me remember the EM program from between 2001-2005? I believe the military acronym for it is FUBARed!
Why do I say that? Okay does anyone remember the event that gave us the Raiment of the Zessler Guard? My sis and I were at that event I run a dexxer so my claim to fame is death shroud collector. Sis was rolling on her Tamer/Mage with nasty pre-patch Dragon. She had been mowing spawn, rezzing peeps, healing peeps. The EM announced they'd be handing out the robes at the OLD Lord Blackthorns. This lovely anti-social, waste of pixels lured 3 shadow wryms on her and 5 other people. Why, cause GOD FORBID ANY OF THEM GET A ROBE!!!! She died and by the time she got there the EM was out of robes. Mr. I-am-a-waste-of-pixels got him one, mocked and laughed at sis and the rest of the people he got killed. Sis was ticked, but she figures ya win some ya lose some. The poo-fudge frosting on the crap cake: the mistress of the guild we belonged to back then witnessed the EM giving a particular unnamed person several robes at WBB. This person did NOT participate in event. It was one of those mind blowing things, how this guy ALWAYS got the event items and never participated. Well not too long after that the old EM program went away. I was later told the unnamed person was paying off the EM for items. Its hear-say but I'm willing to believe it. the unnamed person sold off his rare collection for a fortune...on ebay. (remember this was before ebay disallowed the selling of virtual items) .

You REALLY want this back? I for one DO NOT! At least with the current EM events I occasionally get the odd item. Back then event items were something other people got, and I would probably never own. Look the events may not be the greatest or whatever but be greatful for what you have cause they could just do away with live event stuff again. Then you'd be on here all "Geez, UO is sooo boring I wish we had live events again." My Grandma had a lot of saying and there are two that fit this thread. 1) Be grateful for the gifts you have been given, because somewhere there's someone less fortunate than you. 2) Be careful what you go wishing for cause you might just get it!"

With that I'll get the off the dang soapbox.


P.S. Sis finally got a Zessler's from an idoc. Ask anyone on Legends, she did victory laps around Luna bank wearing it and spamming WOOOOHOOOO.
 

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Clearly you have tunnel vision and can only see events as a revenue for in-game gold, :facepalm:
 

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Knock it off.
 

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If this thread has degenerated into this nonsense we will just end it.

Strike two.
 
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