Flutter, I've always been a rares collector. When you and I first met, I'd only recently returned to the game, and was doing the buy low sell high game (plus whatever old gifts I had on shards I didn't play) to raise funds, as I'd let everything idoc when I quit. (And I've told you that, privately, on multiple occasions.)
Your initial reply came across as a condescending "I don't know these, so prove them". That's not just my take, by the way; I had several ICQs that day while at work, all commenting on your reply. This also is not the first time you've come across this way recently; you did the same in a recent thread about rubbles.
It was a WTB thread; your continued comments were disruptive to the point where I had to create a whole new WTB thread; what difference to you if you believe the items to be truly created by a Trammel-birth bug, or through some other method? I wasn't asking for comments, I was asking for sellers. Plus, I did provide you with a link to the source; you responded by suggesting these were all from a totally unrelated bug, claiming the source said something it simply doesn't.
I've never seen several 2010 xmas items in museums or for sale; should I assume they don't exist? Nails made that assumption about a couple listed 2010 xmas robes, based on never having seen them; I pointed him to a museum where they were on display. Will you not allow a WTB thread to occur without there also being proof that the items exist? I have actually seen some of these in game; I've *owned* some of these myself. However, that's the problem when you let all your houses IDOC... you don't still own that stuff when you come back to the game later.
I've gotten ICQs also, about both threads. In fact the word "condescending" doesn't even come from me, it was someone else who mentioned it. What we do on this forum is discuss rares. You opened a post about what you're calling Trammel birth items. Since Trammel was born there have been lots of exploits and unintended "features" in the game that have changed rares quite significantly. I simply stated what I knew to be fact in hope that someone else might pipe in about the items since a couple of them I hadn't seen before. How is me saying I do not recognize the items translate into "I don't know these so prove them"?? Why are you so defensive about the fact that I asked where you were getting the information? I'm sorry but "because I said so" isn't a valid answer. For instance, what shard did the "deep red plate helm" spawn on?
What's wrong with asking information about the rares you are buying?
Oh and I did look back on my ICQ history, so I know what that says too.
Not sure why you've gotten so defensive.
Over the years a lot of people have put in a lot of hours, not the least of which is Manticore, or Nails Warstein, or Decadence, or JC, to keep track of, categorize and try to keep tabs on the thousands of rare items, keep a history of where they came from, and maybe even a price range/value the items have traded for in the past. People have made their own websites.
I don't ask about items I know about, and I don't pretend to know about items that I know nothing about.There were discussions going on about the items you posted between myself and quite a few respected members of this community. I didn't go off half cocked and accuse you of making **** up I simply said that *I* was not familiar with them, thinking that you would in the very least have some knowledge of the items aside from the fact that they exist or not. Instead you took some strange road around the discussion and decided I was somehow attacking you. You went on to patronize me saying that the bowl of peas couldn't have had any other name as what would they be selling and rebuying off the vendor with that title.
I brought up the part in the article you shared about selling and buying back from the NPC because it is mentioned even by the poor translator you used as "I want to clue that you are present two or more at a minimum, and that the property is the same as the NPC sell goods, but, due to the presence of copy goods due to a bug in use, the items can be equipped with all unfortunately now with lowered significantly the value, even met in different colors equipment to new, it has become not know at all whether the copy of something whether the original.
Copy product may keep the color even while becoming the same properties as the NPC sale goods, in this case, it is fake most insidious"
Which to me simply translate to "we cant tell the real items from some fake copies anymore" which means that even the writer here can admit that items have been "copied" to create "fakes"and that it's not possible to see the difference between the real and the fake ones. You came back at me with a "no" and then some comment about the bottles that I know for a fact I had that were the Melisande colors without the explosive tag. So now I have to dig deeper in my next post and ask you where the info you have came from since you didn't seem to want to share I had to ask you directly. That turned into some sort of drama filled thing somehow. As if it were a sin to ask someone for more information about a rare they are buying or selling in this forum. Most people try to be friendly and helpful, hell, I thought I was being friendly and helpful.
That being said I still have never seen a red helmet or peas. Can you please tell me where I can go look at them? I've asked several times and perhaps you thought I was attacking you but I would sincerely like to see them please and thank you. Do you recall what shard the red items originally spawned on?
I think it's unfair that you've called me disruptive. I think you should go back and read this post from my POV . I simply replied to a thread that was about some items. a few of which I'd never heard of, one of which I'd like to find myself if it exists. Since you say it does I believed you.
