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Latest Case of "Former UO Devs Try to Replace UO"

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Stratics description for Uhall: "This is the place for general discussion about Ultima Online gameplay, development issues, and related Ultima Online issues. Please keep posts on topic, and use the Stratics Off Topic Forum for off-topic posts!"

As Shards has nothing to do with UO, it belongs either in its own section or in the off topics forum.
 

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Stratics description for Uhall: "This is the place for general discussion about Ultima Online gameplay, development issues, and related Ultima Online issues. Please keep posts on topic, and use the Stratics Off Topic Forum for off-topic posts!"

As Shards has nothing to do with UO, it belongs either in its own section or in the off topics forum.
No need to quote the rules. My point is I'm inclined to let it slide as a favor to those who have contributed so much here. This is a real life business venture, and in real life people do favors for their friends.

But thanks for keeping it on top of the board.
 

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I would say that the game is done by at least FOUR former and well known UO Devs, it is at least connected to UO.
 

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I would say that the game is done by at least FOUR former and well known UO Devs, it is at least connected to UO.

Again, Uhall is for "Ultima Online gameplay, development issues, and related Ultima Online issues". I don't see how projects from former employees fit into that.
 

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I played another game before. It said it was free to play and indeed it was. Turns out that it was expensive to win though. Ive been leery ever since.
It's not a cash shop/f2p kind of game. As far as I know the only thing you can pay for is a subscription to the official servers, or to start your own shard cluster where you get to make all the rules for the people who play on your cluster. Neither of which has anything to do with anything competitive.

You should check out the kickstarter page, if the game seems interesting. It has more info.

I personally think the potential is very high, and I never get excited about upcoming mmos. I like to design and decorate, so the idea of not just having a house, but a whole little world I can build and shape that myself and other players get to run around on sounds pretty great to me.
 

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I don't think it looks horrible, but I don't see why this is on UHall.

Shouldn't Shards have its own little Stratics section like SOTA does? It seems in bad form for former Devs to openly advertise their new game on the closest thing UO has to an official forum.

It would be like former Blizzard devs posting Wildstar updates on WoW's forum.
I mean it's just a post about a game. Somone made a similar post about SotA when it was first getting going, and several after.

Some people like to keep tabs on old UO devs. Besides that connection the game looks cool. *shrug*.

And I'm sure some WoW player DID make a post about Wildstar on a WoW forum someplace.
 
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A small suggestion: instead of telling others what should be posted here, leave the mods to decide where the thread belongs :)

Wenchy
 

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In an hour and a half from now, all the UHall peeps can tune into the ShardsOnline twitch stream and see just why it is that I do NOT play PvP! :p

Root for me, or against me, whichever makes you happiest!
 
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And I'm sure some WoW player DID make a post about Wildstar on a WoW forum someplace.
Oh I'm sure they did, and I'm sure they got moved or deleted.

I backed Shards on Kickstarter, but its still in bad taste for their "Updates" to keep being posted here.

I also think its in bad taste for Stratics to decide who has to follow the rules or not. I have seen countless threads moved or locked for things much more harmless.
 

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Oh I'm sure they did, and I'm sure they got moved or deleted.

I backed Shards on Kickstarter, but its still in bad taste for their "Updates" to keep being posted here.

I also think its in bad taste for Stratics to decide who has to follow the rules or not. I have seen countless threads moved or locked for things much more harmless.
I totally agree. I bet that if we went to a Shards forum and posted anything about UO, we would be immediately banned.
 

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I totally agree. I bet that if we went to a Shards forum and posted anything about UO, we would be immediately banned.
From experience I can tell you that that is NOT true. The forums on the Shards site opened last night and there has been no issue with talking about UO or any other game that brought them there, nor has there been an issue in the Twitch channel, IRC channel, or KS Comments. UO and NWN have both been constant topics as well as SotA in Shards circles.

I know the Shards Devs wish the best for UO and SotA (Draconi is often in SotA IRC as well as Shards IRC) and hope that it catches the attention of the NWN community since those games have been officially shuttered.
 

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I totally agree. I bet that if we went to a Shards forum and posted anything about UO, we would be immediately banned.
Really? Here, perhaps this hat might be more appropriate for you...:tinhat:
 

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LOL the amazing part is that someone is so unhappy with thie thread, yet continues to read it...

And Hey!!! I have a hat like that too!
 

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What exactly does that mean?
Believing in getting an instant perma ban from the forums here for posting slightly off-topic sounds like you're one step away from believing the mods here can read your mind. The tin-foil hat I offered you is in preperation for that day.

You're welcome :)
 

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Believing in getting an instant perma ban from the forums here for posting slightly off-topic sounds like you're one step away from believing the mods here can read your mind. The tin-foil hat I offered you is in preperation for that day.

You're welcome :)
You should stop harassing me. I don't know you and your harassment is unwelcome.
 

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I never saw anyone so intent on getting a thread locked. And no, that statement isnt harassment.

And this isn't my board, I'm just a regular goober on UHall...feel free to report me *shrugs*
 

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Noone is harassing you, however, as a bit of advice, you MIGHT want to consider actually VISITING the places you made the claim about before making the claim, otherwise, you end up making yourself look rather foolish with an easily debunked claim.
 

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For the time being this single thread will accepted on Uhall as many of us die hard UO players have an interest in this as somewhat related news. If ya wish to stop promoting this thread, stop posting. This is not unprecedented... We have discussed other MMOs and games here.

As the Shards buzz "builds", Stratics will adapt and grow with it as required.

Many have been proclaimed as UO Killers... None have succeeded as yet. I am pretty sure the Dev team of Shards has nothing but respect for the players of UO.

What I am really askiing is to knock off the hostilities. We live in interesting times.
 

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I say this as a die hard UO fan...
 

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You should stop harassing me. I don't know you and your harassment is unwelcome.
Harassment? No, sorry, just thought you would enjoy a bit of conspiracy humor whilst informing you that your idea of getting banned is not accurate. Clearly you didn't get the humor :p
 

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But will they allow player stealing...that answer will help me determine if I'll play it...la
 

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For those who may be interested, starting tomorrow (Thursday June 5) and going through the weekend, Shards will be OPEN and FREE for ANYONE to log in and play. Keep a watch for the link to download the client, and watch out for Fire Bears!
 

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Many have been proclaimed as UO Killers... None have succeeded as yet. I am pretty sure the Dev team of Shards has nothing but respect for the players of UO.

Personally, as a UO player for quite many years, I have looked into both SotA and Shards but they both have things in their announced gameplay which I do not like as compared to Ultima Online...
I mean, issues which I do not like that would not get me change the game I play as of now.

Also, I imagine that it might not be easy for any new game to reach or get close, in just a few years developement, to the vastness and complexity of a game like Ultima Online which was achieved over 17 years and a number of Publishes, expansions and so forth....

I do think, though, that Ultima Online should not stay static but that the needed enhancements should be done to it and the sooner the better, so to avoid that new games coming out might erode the player base of Ultima Online. We need more players, not to loose them.......

Also, I think that the game would also greatly benefit from a new expansion as it has been quite some time now, since the last one (and I mean expansion, not a booster....).
 

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Personally, as a UO player for quite many years, I have looked into both SotA and Shards but they both have things in their announced gameplay which I do not like as compared to Ultima Online...
I mean, issues which I do not like that would not get me change the game I play as of now.

Also, I imagine that it might not be easy for any new game to reach or get close, in just a few years developement, to the vastness and complexity of a game like Ultima Online which was achieved over 17 years and a number of Publishes, expansions and so forth....
The best way to look at new games is to begin by not expecting them to be the same as something you've played before. The new game may have different new features that you love, the old game may be better in other respects. But I never look for another UO, because there already is a UO that I can play. I don't want another game exactly the same because that would be like saying to an artist "I love this first painting you made, please just keep painting the same thing over and over." Seriously I'd punch someone if they asked me to do that :D I really look forward to seeing what happens when a group of ex-UO devs get a fresh slate to start over again, it's not something that happens very often.

As for complexity, I'm presuming you've played UO for many years as I have. When you were new, the game you fell in love with wasn't today's UO. It was much simpler and as a newbie that was actually a good thing. It was easier to learn UO back then :) If you were faced with today's UO and you knew nothing about the game, you'd probably find it really hard to settle in. So there is a negative to complexity - having it all land on you on launch day actually isn't as good as you'd expect.

What made UO a great experience for me is being there while changes are being made. You see the world shape around you. You help shape it (or see bits of it explode *winks at Draconi*). Part of your fondness for UO is living in the world as it changed around you. When you walk round a new game world the items and buildings are just pretty stuff, you have no real connection with them, or story. But once things change around you, you have memories of events and a personal story. You have a fondness for that place that just wouldn't be there if it was all set down in front of you at day 1. You can walk around your shard and tell a history of how it developed.
I do think, though, that Ultima Online should not stay static but that the needed enhancements should be done to it and the sooner the better, so to avoid that new games coming out might erode the player base of Ultima Online. We need more players, not to loose them.......

Also, I think that the game would also greatly benefit from a new expansion as it has been quite some time now, since the last one (and I mean expansion, not a booster....).
I think rather than new expansions, we really just need things happening across the land and content that we have now. We need the devs to finish the high res art and revamping the old dungeons and perhaps looking at rolling more events like treasures of tokuno style to the areas that we never really hunt any more. Get people in game in areas that have been neglected recently. Finish the virtues! There are changes for the vice and virtue stuff and apparently taming is on the horizon too, so I would prefer to not have more new content when existing projects would bring that in while they were being finished.

Wenchy
 

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I think rather than new expansions, we really just need things happening across the land and content that we have now. We need the devs to finish the high res art and revamping the old dungeons and perhaps looking at rolling more events like treasures of tokuno style to the areas that we never really hunt any more. Get people in game in areas that have been neglected recently. Finish the virtues! There are changes for the vice and virtue stuff and apparently taming is on the horizon too, so I would prefer to not have more new content when existing projects would bring that in while they were being finished.

Wenchy
Do not forget Rogue characters !!

Ultima Online has always been unique in terms of thieves and rogue characters as compared to other games out there so, they should always play a part in Ultima Online !!
 

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What I saw of the pre alpha a few moments ago looked good! Gonna need a better puter tho, this one sure was laggy :p
 

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Do not forget Rogue characters !!

Ultima Online has always been unique in terms of thieves and rogue characters as compared to other games out there so, they should always play a part in Ultima Online !!
I can't forget about rogues, my thief is older than my tamers. I do post mostly about tamer stuff, but I've always supported rogues and I still want to see some more UO rogue love. Not just stealing from dungeons either :)

Glad to see the rogue class has made it to Shards too though *thumbs up*

And if we're going to add some more stuff on the wish list for Shards then I guess herding, steampunk mechanical pets, fishing and cooking would be on mine. Especially the last two, because I'd love to open a Laughing Lich tavern on Shards. Though my tavern lass would also ask for a broom that she can fight with, because it's surprisingly hard fighting a stray lich with bread dough.

Wenchy
 

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Why....is this still being posted on UHall?
 

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Why....is this still being posted on UHall?
Why ask a question when you have already received the answer on this very page? This is the same one thread that Petra said was ok a few posts back.

If you don't want to see more posts on the thread you can hit the "unwatch thread" option at the top right of the page.

Wenchy
 

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I still think its very hypocritical.

Shards was made its own forum, I was told this one would die out. It hasnt as Moderators AND the Devs are still posting updates here.
 

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Wow. All the hate. Someone needs a clean bowl of cheerios...
 

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im guessing they aint gonna hit the target.............by a yard mile... shame... so much UO influx...
 

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I still think its very hypocritical.

Shards was made its own forum, I was told this one would die out. It hasnt as Moderators AND the Devs are still posting updates here.
If a thread goes on longer than I'm interested in it then I just stop reading. If there is a genuine concern I might ask a mod or admin about it in private, but even as a staff member there is a line which I wouldn't cross and you appear to be sailing past with a following wind :D

When a person repeatedly questions the actions of moderators in a thread they don't like, you sometimes wonder if they want a fight to lock the thread, or they're playing Russian Roulette with the mod team. If either of those apply here I wish you good luck. But if there is a genuine issue here I do think PMs are more appropriate at this point. After all if you don't want people to post in the thread, posting to tell them that is obviously counter-productive...

Wenchy
 

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I still think its very hypocritical.

Shards was made its own forum, I was told this one would die out. It hasnt as Moderators AND the Devs are still posting updates here.
You do realize that by posting questions like that in a thread you want gone only helps keeps it alive, right? :p
 
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I still think its very hypocritical.

Shards was made its own forum, I was told this one would die out. It hasnt as Moderators AND the Devs are still posting updates here.
It looks like nobody can find the Shards forum. Apparently this thread will live forever. :(
 

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It looks like nobody can find the Shards forum. Apparently this thread will live forever. :(
Well if every few posts are followed by a few people complaining that there are still posts and re-starting discussions about why there shouldn't be posts... well yes, the thread will keep going.

But it will be funny to read later :)

Petra has already given a link to the Shards forum in this thread, just a few posts up from this one, so I doubt anyone is lost. But here's the link again for anyone who missed it: Shards forum.

Wenchy
 

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This game looks interesting...thanks for bumping it up enough for me to find it !
 
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