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Why people keep cheating every day, and not get banned?
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Well...............
An idea struck me...
How about a gold penalty...
Soon we are getting close to the gold being account wide..with no more checks...
Think about it... their bank would go missing a set " Fine"
Amount to fit the crime..... and this fine could go into negative $ amounts if they are not carefull.
If this happens they need to work off the gold owed to the game...
An idea struck me...
How about a gold penalty...
Soon we are getting close to the gold being account wide..with no more checks...
Think about it... their bank would go missing a set " Fine"
Amount to fit the crime..... and this fine could go into negative $ amounts if they are not carefull.
If this happens they need to work off the gold owed to the game...
Storm, such people would probably just give items to cohorts, close their accounts and open new ones. Now that any account can use an ethereal mount, I don't see much incentive for a caught cheater to worry about gold. Besides, they're the kind who would have duper friends.
I've been thinking about what would be an appropriate penalty, and about the cheaters I've seen over the years. House break-ins are no longer a worry (right?), nor are Uzi bows (rapidly equipping and unequipping to fire off a few arrows a second) or the sphere effect (building up skills to as high as 1000 for devastating damage). Anyone caught with those should have been banned immediately and permanently, and sadly a lot got away with it. What kind of cheating do we see nowadays, anything as bad? So for the first offense in something verifiable, like speedhacking or false flagging/uninsuring, let there be a one-week ban. I'd say a permanent ban the first time, but one week gives a buffer for someone to appeal, in case of a mistaken ban.
Second offense: ban the cheater for good. I see no reason that behavior should be tolerated, whether or not it drives others away.
I've been thinking about what would be an appropriate penalty, and about the cheaters I've seen over the years. House break-ins are no longer a worry (right?), nor are Uzi bows (rapidly equipping and unequipping to fire off a few arrows a second) or the sphere effect (building up skills to as high as 1000 for devastating damage). Anyone caught with those should have been banned immediately and permanently, and sadly a lot got away with it. What kind of cheating do we see nowadays, anything as bad? So for the first offense in something verifiable, like speedhacking or false flagging/uninsuring, let there be a one-week ban. I'd say a permanent ban the first time, but one week gives a buffer for someone to appeal, in case of a mistaken ban.
Second offense: ban the cheater for good. I see no reason that behavior should be tolerated, whether or not it drives others away.
They could just put the offending character in jail for a month as a penalty but you have to burn off that time by being logged in.
Same character gets caught again then make it 2 months.
Each time they are caught the character has to spend that time in jail for each offense. So if they are caught 6 time it's 6 months that character is no use to them until they burn the actual 6 months off.
Oh I know they can AFK in jail but if they want to play UO they have to change to other characters.
May not cure the issue but may curb the problem a bit.
Same character gets caught again then make it 2 months.
Each time they are caught the character has to spend that time in jail for each offense. So if they are caught 6 time it's 6 months that character is no use to them until they burn the actual 6 months off.
Oh I know they can AFK in jail but if they want to play UO they have to change to other characters.
May not cure the issue but may curb the problem a bit.
A devoted cheater at that point would let the account lapse and start a new one. It would be worth buying scrolls, especially if the cheater is duping gold. Jail would have to affect all characters so someone couldn't empty the other chars' bank boxes, but cheaters would know that penalty and just leave gold and their most valuable items in a house accessible to friends. Still, ban permanently and ban quickly for a second offense, and the money from lost partial months (especially pre-paid six months) will add up.
I've seen a few people return with no apparent problem (including the once-notorious scammer and guild PK whose "historian" I am) and always wondered what safeguards EA billing has. They couldn't be overly strict, anyway, unless they devoted manpower to appeals. A credit card ban can be circumvented with a new card, especially a pre-paid one that also circumvents a ban by physical address. Banning by IP could punish someone else who also uses that ISP and happens to get that IP with the next refresh.
I've seen a few people return with no apparent problem (including the once-notorious scammer and guild PK whose "historian" I am) and always wondered what safeguards EA billing has. They couldn't be overly strict, anyway, unless they devoted manpower to appeals. A credit card ban can be circumvented with a new card, especially a pre-paid one that also circumvents a ban by physical address. Banning by IP could punish someone else who also uses that ISP and happens to get that IP with the next refresh.
Zog with the proposed pooling of account gold into one fund the idea I had would work... If they are that stupid to do the crime I feel no pity for them loosing funds including going into the red and having every kills purse go to pay off the fine... that would be the effect of giving and recieving gold as well. No matter what character on the account any funds goten will go to pay off the debit. My idea is not as far off in gold cost ether... i am talking millions not pennys. For each offence a billion gold can evaporate in minutes of stupidity.
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Personally, my suggestion would be if someone is caught cheating 100% of what their wearing is deleted instantly, their only choice then is either to not cheat, waste billions re-making their pvp suits, or wear crappy pvp suits they don't mind losing, and if they do that a normal player would be able to easily beat them anyways.
When gold is pooled, sure, but will it be tough enough? There wouldn't be anything to prevent someone from closing the account and making a new one -- unless, say, all accounts that used that IP for the last week will also be put in purgatory. Thus someone cheating will risk all other accounts, and family members' and friends' accounts.
The account being punnished only can log in secured in shackles placed outside the Luna bank for blues and Yew Bank Fel for reds. Redo the art and rename the snow pile as Pile Rotten Food. You can buy a Pile of Rotten Food from nearby NPC and throw at those in stockades. The punnished log into the stockades receive a Pile of their own with a key with run down timer. When hit by rotten food a pop up message of player's name thats throwing food comes up a a 60 second timer counts down. This is a non agro action. No casting or chat while in stockade. If the player is not pelted back in 60 seconds they get another 24 hours added to their punnishment timer release key. What better way to learn how to be logged in and be active or just what is the weight of unacceptable play.
Gold fines need to reach into vendor pockets.
Gold fines need to reach into vendor pockets.
while I appreciate the integrity of your post sir, its obvious this ship has long sailed. 50 pct still prefer the 2d client which probably has coding that would be a bear to change to combat anything. given the scarcity of dev/gm time
Folks, let's be honest. 'Murican corporations will NEVER do anything that interrupts or decreases revenue stream. It's their worship of the almighty dollar and their business model. For the most part, companies no longer care about their responsibilities... ONLY profit margins. Period. End of story. Now if this new taskmaster is one of the extremely... EXTREMELY rare responsible companies... well.. I'll believe it when I see it. The simple fact about UO is that it is a limited revenue stream, at this stage in it's corporate life. You do not kick payers out.
Widow maker has a point... they are paying...
IDK about you but I cant pay for any more accounts and am getting to that tipping point that perhaps cuttingback is a good thing. UO to keep its doors open needs every $$ it gets... lets face it. EA grabbed us not for the intrinsic value of the game but for the money it brought in... so they could do more in other areas.
IDK about you but I cant pay for any more accounts and am getting to that tipping point that perhaps cuttingback is a good thing. UO to keep its doors open needs every $$ it gets... lets face it. EA grabbed us not for the intrinsic value of the game but for the money it brought in... so they could do more in other areas.
That is the purpose of any business, you realize: to make a profit. Even a "non-profit" has to at least break even so that they can pay people. In the case of EA and any other company with easily traded shares (public or not), if it doesn't turn a profit, then its owners (shareholders) will turn to something else. An individual with ultra-high net worth could fund something just because he likes it, but that isn't a luxury of the typical middle-class investor. The top EA shareholders are all mutual funds, whose purpose is certainly not handing over money without expecting good returns. More importantly, there are lots of regular Joes and Janes who depend on such funds for their 401Ks, IRAs, 529 plans and other savings.
Today's decision-makers at EA today may not care at all to step up efforts against cheating. It's not necessarily being short-sighted, but that their time is too costly when they can focus on bigger percentages of EA's revenues. Perhaps they've decided that it takes too much manpower to catch cheaters effectively, that $X revenue would be lost from kicking out cheaters, and that in the end it's a lesser loss to let legitimate players quit. I have to wonder how many of my old PvP friends wouldn't have left for WoW if UO cheating had been cracked down in the second worst era I knew. Though that was now nine years ago, they probably would have gone on a few more years. I do know that lots of my friends, and others we knew, wouldn't have quit in the first couple of years if the relatively few cheaters had been banned for the likes of house break-ins and UOE. I'll never forget the guy who jacked the first house I placed with a friend.
Zog we meet again kiddo!
This is a moot point...
I understand the hell it was ...I was there and I too had a house taken by cheaters and hada GM tell me there was nothing they could do about it as it was not illegal what he was seeing... see they have to physicaly SEE the crime.
Today yes there are detection programs out there that try to pinpoint cheating. But again read your tos... It says they must be seen or detected by a GM or Dev to be tagged... Key word is SEEN.
Evidence must be present in their view and registered to catch them.
Petra and the rest of us have seen player's and NPC's zooom past as if a Anchient Lich Lord was close behind and aiming to turn them to ash in a flash! It was a game con issue.. not cheating.
I have sat in many of my homes and watched battles of pvp'rs and seen what looked like EVERYONE on a speed trip. Were they?
As a past Counselor I had to watch and observe and call in a GM when I was positive of an offender.
It's not easy...
I have seen whole guilds be banned and all possessions distroyed of every member ..
good and bad..
Because they were grouped up in one mass wipe.
If they took out the players who are doing this cheating and got rid of the "bad eggs" scripting and all... who would be left?
Me , You and a handfull of others here... As the fickle finger of fate would pin on every zippy player on a fast chip to doom.
If your so sure who is cheating ...cast that stone..
But be damn sure your right.
Oh and btw.... have a new game in line as this one folds
There is no winning on this one... if you ban all who look like they guilty and none come to take their place we as a community will suffer.I dont condone it but I am a realist... like in the real world crime will never be snuffed out till man lets go of the all mighty dollar and all are equil under the sun....
This is a moot point...
I understand the hell it was ...I was there and I too had a house taken by cheaters and hada GM tell me there was nothing they could do about it as it was not illegal what he was seeing... see they have to physicaly SEE the crime.
Today yes there are detection programs out there that try to pinpoint cheating. But again read your tos... It says they must be seen or detected by a GM or Dev to be tagged... Key word is SEEN.
Evidence must be present in their view and registered to catch them.
Petra and the rest of us have seen player's and NPC's zooom past as if a Anchient Lich Lord was close behind and aiming to turn them to ash in a flash! It was a game con issue.. not cheating.
I have sat in many of my homes and watched battles of pvp'rs and seen what looked like EVERYONE on a speed trip. Were they?
As a past Counselor I had to watch and observe and call in a GM when I was positive of an offender.
It's not easy...
I have seen whole guilds be banned and all possessions distroyed of every member ..
good and bad..
Because they were grouped up in one mass wipe.
If they took out the players who are doing this cheating and got rid of the "bad eggs" scripting and all... who would be left?
Me , You and a handfull of others here... As the fickle finger of fate would pin on every zippy player on a fast chip to doom.
If your so sure who is cheating ...cast that stone..
But be damn sure your right.
Oh and btw.... have a new game in line as this one folds
There is no winning on this one... if you ban all who look like they guilty and none come to take their place we as a community will suffer.I dont condone it but I am a realist... like in the real world crime will never be snuffed out till man lets go of the all mighty dollar and all are equil under the sun....
To be specific, you're talking about the Rules of Conduct, where players are told, "You will not exploit any bug....You will not intentionally use or share any bug....You will not directly or indirectly communicate the existence of any such bug," etc. There's no requirement, however, that something must be "seen" by any of UO's staff. Accusations and banning are at their discretion, which is necessary. Otherwise, cheaters would have the excuse "But you didn't see me do _____," and they couldn't be banned based on examining things like server logs or item IDs. When the entire MDK guild was banned, I didn't personally know a soul who shed a tear. Guilt by association was just fine, considering all the exploits and harassment that guild was known for, and that members could have resigned any time. A couple of my friends joined a certain guild, whose first rule was to download the speedhack program of the time.
That said, you should have no doubt that I have no doubt about who's cheated. My first house was hijacked by someone who swung a halberd every half second, flatly impossible in 1998. In 1999 when I fought a certain person for the first time (initials ME, a well-known Sonoma PvPer who never could keep friends or allies for long), he was moving so fast that he flickered all around my screen. Yet another who I fought several times wouldn't have had a prayer without the exploit to cast Mana Vampire without losing mana. This person was so infamous that one of my friends sent a mass ICQ one night, "____ is at the ____ spawn in T2A, everyone needs to page so a GM can finally go after this cheater." Back in the YMCA days, I got smoked by a couple of notorious griefers who were using the "sphere effect" or similar, creating such a high weapon skill that I couldn't land a hit, but they could hit anyone every time. I've chased one of Sonoma's most infamous PKs, presumably named after a South American country (misspelled), when he killed a friend and used UOE's "ghostwalk" to escape -- this was in 1998 before there was any stealth. My anti character had high tracking, and I could track him to the very spot where he was sitting, just not see or reveal him.
Need I mention more? If you knew who I am, and perhaps you can guess, you would absolutely agree that I know who was cheating. It isn't an accusation I make lightly.
Regarding speed, remember that some monsters move very fast, especially if you recall out and return to that subserver. They'll make a fast beeline for your character. When it comes to player speed, time and time again it's been pointed out that there's a hard cap in UO, above which a faster Internet connection and PC don't make a difference. I've heard the excuses "I have a better connection" or "I have a better computer," which means the speedhacker is a liar too. As a matter of disclosure, I ping 40 ms to the West Coast shards with a broadband connection of 29 Mb/s down and 6 Mb/s up, but there's still the speed cap. You might have been at the old Fight Night where I got robbed, and though it couldn't be "proven," it was obvious this person couldn't be legitimate in his speed. Storm O'Neal and I actually caught him one night thanks to a well-timed bola, and even that was lucky. I've chased after speedhackers who, my tracking skill showed, were stealthing faster than I could run on a mount.
I've paged countless times. I've said to a GM that it's so obvious someone was ____ if only the GM would take 30 seconds to watch. Almost every time I'd get a response that they'd look into it, and one GM threatened to ban me if I paged one more time. How's that for a strong stance against exploiters? And that was a dozen years ago, when it really mattered.
That said, you should have no doubt that I have no doubt about who's cheated. My first house was hijacked by someone who swung a halberd every half second, flatly impossible in 1998. In 1999 when I fought a certain person for the first time (initials ME, a well-known Sonoma PvPer who never could keep friends or allies for long), he was moving so fast that he flickered all around my screen. Yet another who I fought several times wouldn't have had a prayer without the exploit to cast Mana Vampire without losing mana. This person was so infamous that one of my friends sent a mass ICQ one night, "____ is at the ____ spawn in T2A, everyone needs to page so a GM can finally go after this cheater." Back in the YMCA days, I got smoked by a couple of notorious griefers who were using the "sphere effect" or similar, creating such a high weapon skill that I couldn't land a hit, but they could hit anyone every time. I've chased one of Sonoma's most infamous PKs, presumably named after a South American country (misspelled), when he killed a friend and used UOE's "ghostwalk" to escape -- this was in 1998 before there was any stealth. My anti character had high tracking, and I could track him to the very spot where he was sitting, just not see or reveal him.
Need I mention more? If you knew who I am, and perhaps you can guess, you would absolutely agree that I know who was cheating. It isn't an accusation I make lightly.
Regarding speed, remember that some monsters move very fast, especially if you recall out and return to that subserver. They'll make a fast beeline for your character. When it comes to player speed, time and time again it's been pointed out that there's a hard cap in UO, above which a faster Internet connection and PC don't make a difference. I've heard the excuses "I have a better connection" or "I have a better computer," which means the speedhacker is a liar too. As a matter of disclosure, I ping 40 ms to the West Coast shards with a broadband connection of 29 Mb/s down and 6 Mb/s up, but there's still the speed cap. You might have been at the old Fight Night where I got robbed, and though it couldn't be "proven," it was obvious this person couldn't be legitimate in his speed. Storm O'Neal and I actually caught him one night thanks to a well-timed bola, and even that was lucky. I've chased after speedhackers who, my tracking skill showed, were stealthing faster than I could run on a mount.
I've paged countless times. I've said to a GM that it's so obvious someone was ____ if only the GM would take 30 seconds to watch. Almost every time I'd get a response that they'd look into it, and one GM threatened to ban me if I paged one more time. How's that for a strong stance against exploiters? And that was a dozen years ago, when it really mattered.
from what i understand:
1.Cheats "bannable"
2. No reason to ban for cheats, cuz players = $ money
3. Noone care about pvp quiality and honest gameplay
sad
1.Cheats "bannable"
2. No reason to ban for cheats, cuz players = $ money
3. Noone care about pvp quiality and honest gameplay
sad
1.Cheats "bannable" yet you use them and have no issues admitting it on other forums..
2. No reason to ban for cheats, cuz players = $ money - you're basically begging to be banned
3. Noone care about pvp quiality and honest gameplay- righttttttt
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While a short look at your 3 points leans towards basic agreement, looking deeper results in other possibilities / probabilities on some of your points;
1. Agreement. Cheats should result in bans... lost it's effectiveness once membership declines and it becomes a #2 issue
2. This is the bottom line truth. Period. End of story.
3. I truly believe this is not correct. Most players.. and the Devs, would like an even playing field but simply can not withstand the tidal wave of intelligence aimed at subverting any game system. Some people are better than the coding of the game. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to overcome that.
As hard as it is for some to admit, this is truth.
If they banned all of the accounts that took advantage of the mytic token bug (and I am not talking about the duping bug) 75% of all accounts would of been banned and probably 90% of the new players on SP.
***Edit*** and not to start a conspiracy theory, but does anyone else find it ironic that the multiple use mythic token bug came out right around the same time you could place a 2nd home on SP?
***Edit*** and not to start a conspiracy theory, but does anyone else find it ironic that the multiple use mythic token bug came out right around the same time you could place a 2nd home on SP?
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That's could be all too true. It's a sad thought to think the game wouldn't be profitable enough to keep going on just me and the others who didn't touch the tokens at all.
EA did attempt to do something awhile back about cheating, they wanted to implement Punkbuster. But it was too late for that, the cheaters had already become the vocal majority, and they screamed to high holy hell that they didn't want Punkbuster scanning their computer and finding their hidden stash of albino, midget hermaphrodite porn. EA faced such an opposition to it that they canned it indefinately.
Punkbuster would have went too far in scanning players computers..
EA was not willing to risk millions in legal fees and the possibility of a major lawsuit.
Let's be realistic.
All the activitys under the headding of Scamming, Cheating, Duping, Hacking...etc add in all the rest of the exploitation of bugs and such...
Done by knowing and Unknowing players.. as with the token.. (face it some thought they got a good deal and had no clue as to the reason.)
If you add in EVERYONE and looked in and could trace all that, and a Dev pulled the plug on every case... there would be no one left in the game.
With all the Dupped items, we are all bound to own at the very least 1... even that stupid not rare item counts. The raceing around...how many use it? or better yet Scamming was let go by GM's as part of the game...
We have far too few to start a massive ban project and the Dev are quite awaire of it...
They go for the head of the snakes and do a justfied culling but its not on a public platform in the main town square..
This is not the old west where you are invited to a hanging... Yelled out by the town cryers.
But this is exactly what you want done...
To prove the Dev are fighting for your cause of game fairness.
EA turned a deaf ear on the complaints of all the past mis-deeds and let the Dev and GM's handle it on a small case basis. From the very beginning UO has had those who used 3rd party programs to beat the system. This was from day 1.
I remember the bannings well and the houses that fell in a regular rain of terror to people who reviled over the illgotten gain from another players misstep.
And it didnt stop them from coming back on a new account and doing it all over again.
I was there when an early player who told EA they were fools, and went on to form a company making a killing on the game hiring others in the game to strip mine, chop, fish, etc for hours for real life cash. EA could have stopped it but didnt lift a finger.
This today is the outcome of the bot miners and such we all complain about.
Can you stop it?
yes*
* but do you want to pay the price of the outcome?
We have guilds who hold the spawns hostage like it was made just for them to get rich... (a guild I know of that once lived on a shard's Fel side took it to an art form... do the spawns on home and ship off the scrolls to Atlantic sell the gold and split the cash.)
Making money off UO is nothing new... and we might not like what it has done but getting rid of any chance of it might do more harm then good. We have gone past the tipping point and into the danger zone if a crack down happened.
I for one understand all who want to see something done....
I just dont know if we can do anything that would not come back to bite us in the tush...
EA was not willing to risk millions in legal fees and the possibility of a major lawsuit.
Let's be realistic.
All the activitys under the headding of Scamming, Cheating, Duping, Hacking...etc add in all the rest of the exploitation of bugs and such...
Done by knowing and Unknowing players.. as with the token.. (face it some thought they got a good deal and had no clue as to the reason.)
If you add in EVERYONE and looked in and could trace all that, and a Dev pulled the plug on every case... there would be no one left in the game.
With all the Dupped items, we are all bound to own at the very least 1... even that stupid not rare item counts. The raceing around...how many use it? or better yet Scamming was let go by GM's as part of the game...
We have far too few to start a massive ban project and the Dev are quite awaire of it...
They go for the head of the snakes and do a justfied culling but its not on a public platform in the main town square..
This is not the old west where you are invited to a hanging... Yelled out by the town cryers.
But this is exactly what you want done...
To prove the Dev are fighting for your cause of game fairness.
EA turned a deaf ear on the complaints of all the past mis-deeds and let the Dev and GM's handle it on a small case basis. From the very beginning UO has had those who used 3rd party programs to beat the system. This was from day 1.
I remember the bannings well and the houses that fell in a regular rain of terror to people who reviled over the illgotten gain from another players misstep.
And it didnt stop them from coming back on a new account and doing it all over again.
I was there when an early player who told EA they were fools, and went on to form a company making a killing on the game hiring others in the game to strip mine, chop, fish, etc for hours for real life cash. EA could have stopped it but didnt lift a finger.
This today is the outcome of the bot miners and such we all complain about.
Can you stop it?
yes*
* but do you want to pay the price of the outcome?
We have guilds who hold the spawns hostage like it was made just for them to get rich... (a guild I know of that once lived on a shard's Fel side took it to an art form... do the spawns on home and ship off the scrolls to Atlantic sell the gold and split the cash.)
Making money off UO is nothing new... and we might not like what it has done but getting rid of any chance of it might do more harm then good. We have gone past the tipping point and into the danger zone if a crack down happened.
I for one understand all who want to see something done....
I just dont know if we can do anything that would not come back to bite us in the tush...
Remember the pictures that popped up in the old days of some guy with a hundred pc's all stacked.. running a resource farmer on every one?
Or the sweatshops in other countries with hundreds of employees all farming?
they've gottem more sophisticated now.. but it would be so hard to catch and prevent all forms of cheating..
And for me at least the definition of cheating kinda changes.. back in the day I told my kids using UOAssist was cheating.. I'd tease them with comments like "What is the game to hard for my baby boy to play without help?"
But now the EC and Pinco's has integrated almost everything UOAssist used to do and I use it all freely...
So maybe I'm a hypocrite and maybe my opinion just evolved....
Even multiboxing is considered ok now as long as you are running separate paid accounts..
*shrugs*
Or the sweatshops in other countries with hundreds of employees all farming?
they've gottem more sophisticated now.. but it would be so hard to catch and prevent all forms of cheating..
And for me at least the definition of cheating kinda changes.. back in the day I told my kids using UOAssist was cheating.. I'd tease them with comments like "What is the game to hard for my baby boy to play without help?"
But now the EC and Pinco's has integrated almost everything UOAssist used to do and I use it all freely...
So maybe I'm a hypocrite and maybe my opinion just evolved....
Even multiboxing is considered ok now as long as you are running separate paid accounts..
*shrugs*
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Personally, I don't use UO Assist for that exact reason, it used to be illegal, it became ingrained in my head that it was illegal, so now even though its legal every time I turn it on I feel guilty and turn it off lol.
I think I made my first post about speedhackers in 2003. The replies then arent much different then they are now. Still people deny, lie, and cry about speedhacking. Its save to say that speedhacking is real and its a part of UO like it or not.
Best thing to do if you PVP is to learn to spot the speeders from the get-go.
Its easy to spot the speedhackers. Run in a straight line and try to time when the speeder "jumps" and change direction 90 Degrees (I like to run in a 10x10 square). If timed correctly they will jump forward (sometimes off your screen) as you change direction. The gap between you and them will widen allowing you to cast spells, drink pot, talk smack.
Ive done this for years as my way of identifying speeders. I even tested it with people ingame via vent as they turned there speeder on and off at random to see if I could spot when they had it on. Most times I could spot an active speeder within a few seconds. The "skip" or "jump" forward always gives them away.
Once you identify a speedhacker the rest is up to you to decide what to do about it.
Best thing to do if you PVP is to learn to spot the speeders from the get-go.
Its easy to spot the speedhackers. Run in a straight line and try to time when the speeder "jumps" and change direction 90 Degrees (I like to run in a 10x10 square). If timed correctly they will jump forward (sometimes off your screen) as you change direction. The gap between you and them will widen allowing you to cast spells, drink pot, talk smack.
Ive done this for years as my way of identifying speeders. I even tested it with people ingame via vent as they turned there speeder on and off at random to see if I could spot when they had it on. Most times I could spot an active speeder within a few seconds. The "skip" or "jump" forward always gives them away.
Once you identify a speedhacker the rest is up to you to decide what to do about it.
I never had difficulty identifying speedhackers. It takes only seasoned gameplay, not even PvPing, to learn how fast the hard cap is. Then when you see the likes of the person in my screenshot move around the screen faster than is possible, or track a stealther who outruns me on a mount, something's going on.
