[19:04:04] [Crystal] Mesanna says: ok lets begin
[19:04:22] [Crystal] Mesanna says: Pandora welcome
[19:04:26] [Kyronix]: Good Evening Pandora
[19:04:32] [Pandora]: Hello my Dark one.
[19:04:42] [Mesanna]: Good evening
[19:05:06] [Pandora]: Well, my first feedback for you guys is that this system was a great idea....
[19:05:33] [Pandora]: I know Mes really wanted it to shine from her video at the 15th anniversary
[19:05:43] [Pandora]: But I think for some times now
[19:06:02] [Pandora]: you've been trying to mesh certain communities that do not traditionally mesh well
[19:06:23] [Pandora]: I felt this system was predominately created for RP'ers
[19:06:48] [Pandora]: but in adding the city buffs, it seemed to want to include the pvp'ers
[19:06:59] [Pandora]: and traditionally those two communities just do not get along
[19:07:07] [Pandora]: its the whole reason Trammel exists in the first place
[19:07:26] [Pandora]: I feel the governor system should be expanded to include Felucca
[19:07:34] [Pandora]: Let them have their own governor system
[19:07:42] [Pandora]: and let them have the city buffs
[19:07:53] [Pandora]: The two communities are just too basically different
[19:08:18] [Pandora]: We want to beautify the city, we want to have events that are based in the history of the cities
[19:08:28] [Pandora]: we want to expand the collections
[19:08:39] [Pandora]: like the zoo and the museum and the library
[19:08:44] [Pandora]: and none of those efforts
[19:08:46] [Pandora]: NONE
[19:09:02] [Pandora]: are taken into consideration by certain groups
[19:09:09] [Pandora]: all they want is their buff
[19:09:15] [Pandora]: because they create their templates
[19:09:16] [Pandora]: for pvp
[19:09:18] [Pandora]: based on them
[19:09:21] [Pandora]: period.
[19:09:37] [Pandora]: they dont care for any efforts that we do (the RP'ers) to bring that element to the city
[19:09:47] [Pandora]: and while all our events are open to all types of players
[19:09:54] [Pandora]: they just dont find that stuff fun
[19:09:57] [Pandora]: they want to go out and pvp
[19:10:03] [Pandora]: that's their fun
[19:10:07] [Pandora]: so please
[19:10:13] [Pandora]: consider that
[19:10:20] [Pandora]: those two communities are DIFFERENT
[19:10:26] [Pandora]: they have different goals
[19:10:30] [Pandora]: different objectives
[19:10:35] [Pandora]: and i'd love to see Felucca be more
[19:10:43] [Pandora]: than just a place that we have exiled reds to
[19:10:49] [Pandora]: it should be FAR more than that
[19:10:56] [Pandora]: maybe I would enjoy pvp again
[19:11:00] [Pandora]: if there was more to it
[19:11:11] [Pandora]: but i urge to trhink about
[19:11:17] [Pandora]: giving felucca its own governor system
[19:11:28] [Pandora]: and letting trammel be more of the rp-focused governor system
[19:11:36] [Pandora]: will that stop griefers?
[19:11:45] [Pandora]: prob not... if someone REALLY wants to grief you
[19:11:47] [Pandora]: they will
[19:11:56] [Pandora]: but at least this separation will
[19:12:02] [Pandora]: not PROMOTE such things
[19:12:06] [Pandora]: the voting
[19:12:16] [Pandora]: should be 1 vote per account on ONE SHARD
[19:12:25] [Pandora]: the shard you have your house on
[19:12:33] [Pandora]: that's your main shard
[19:12:40] [Pandora]: and if you play multiple shards
[19:12:43] [Pandora]: great
[19:12:57] [Pandora]: but to have it open up to x y z shards all over
[19:13:02] [Pandora]: just wasnt a good idea
[19:13:06] [Pandora]: it was far better before
[19:13:11] [Pandora]: when all my characters could vote
[19:13:15] [Pandora]: i feel the change was
[19:13:23] [Pandora]: too impulsive
[19:13:28] [Pandora]: because it actually promotes
[19:13:33] [Pandora]: people cross-shard voting
[19:13:40] [Pandora]: like we're basically forced to do that
[19:13:44] [Pandora]: and what about ppl like me?
[19:13:52] [Pandora]: i have only ever played catskills
[19:13:55] [Pandora]: my whole UO life
[19:13:59] [Pandora]: I dont play other shard
[19:14:02] [Pandora]: therefore
[19:14:03] [Pandora]: guess what
[19:14:12] [Pandora]: I am not as popular as others that do
[19:14:25] [Pandora]: so its become a total popularity contest
[19:14:35] [Pandora]: its not about what you can do for your city
[19:14:39] [Pandora]: its about how many people you know
[19:14:40] [Pandora]:
[19:14:46] [Mesanna]: its politics
[19:15:05] [Pandora]: And that's right... it is...
[19:15:18] [Pandora]: and if I paid $15/mo to be an US Citizen to vote
[19:15:30] [Pandora]: then that would be equivalent
[19:15:32] [Pandora]: but this is a game
[19:15:36] [Pandora]: that we all subscribe to
[19:15:40] [Pandora]: and pay for
[19:15:48] [Pandora]: we dont want to pay money to be griefed or
[19:15:52] [Pandora]: have it be unfair
[19:15:57] [Pandora]: or even percieved as unfair
[19:16:01] [Pandora]: again
[19:16:09] [Mesanna]: Ok Pandora how were you griefed
[19:16:09] [Pandora]: i think felucca should be looked at more
[19:16:31] [Pandora]: Well what I percieved as griefed is the personal attacks on my character
[19:16:37] [Pandora]: on my moral standing
[19:16:59] [Pandora]: being called names or being told that my only job is to PAY for a city buff
[19:17:07] [Pandora]: I see that as griefed
[19:17:19] [Pandora]: griefing is anything that makes you feel a certain way
[19:17:25] [Pandora]: it causes grief
[19:17:30] [Pandora]: i felt nothing I did
[19:17:36] [Pandora]: was worth anything
[19:17:48] [Pandora]: it was just about paying $2 mil a week for a buff
[19:17:54] [Pandora]: expected to pay that out of my own pocket
[19:18:15] [Pandora]: it was just my first term, i didnt know what it was going to be like...
[19:18:30] [Pandora]: hell for ever my friend was governor of another city and we didnt even know
[19:18:34] [Pandora]: a guideline
[19:18:44] [Pandora]: on what the EM's could or could not provide
[19:18:50] [Pandora]: it was SOOOOOO drastically different
[19:18:56] [Pandora]: from one shard to the other
[19:19:05] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:19:14] [Pandora]: For the longest we didnt know what the system was really about
[19:19:15] [Mesanna]: lets stick to the topic on hand here please
[19:19:19] [Pandora]: k
[19:19:49] [Mesanna]: so to sum up your issues
[19:19:59] [Mesanna]: you want Fel incorportated
[19:20:14] [Pandora]: I do... with its own system, with the city buffs moved there
[19:20:35] [Mesanna]: well I was going to wait till the end but I will say this now
[19:20:57] [Mesanna]: fel is not even under Blackthorns ruling so thats going to be hard under the new PVP system ...
[19:21:02] [Mesanna]: that will be in place in the future
[19:21:25] [Mesanna]: we want it out of towns not putting things back into the towns
[19:21:51] [Mesanna]: one vote per account per shard?
[19:22:17] [Mesanna]: Is that right?
[19:22:22] [Mesanna]: sorry taking notes
[19:22:32] [Pandora]: more like lock an account once a vote is cast to that shard
[19:23:00] [Pandora]: or if it is as Kyronix mentioned before tied to the housing database
[19:23:08] [Pandora]: maybe that might be something to explore too
[19:23:16] [Pandora]: vote on the shard where your house is
[19:23:18] [Mesanna]: Different systems
[19:23:21] [Pandora]: ok
[19:23:49] [Pandora]: kyro mentioned something about it would have to be similar to that database (something to that
[19:23:53] [Pandora]: effect).
[19:24:01] [Pandora]: because housing is locked to 1 shard
[19:24:16] [Pandora]: not that they are same systems but that its similar in tha tsense
[19:24:27] [Mesanna]: Pandora please finish up
[19:24:31] [Pandora]: k
[19:24:36] [Mesanna]: no thats not going to work
[19:24:37] [Pandora]: Okay.
[19:24:47] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *nods*
[19:25:03] [Pandora]: Okay
[19:25:03] [Crystal] Pandora says: Okay
[19:25:35] [Crystal] Kyronix says: Thank you for your feedback
[19:25:52] [Mesanna]: Thanks sorry finishing the notes
[19:26:11] [Mesanna]: hi Timothy
[19:26:14] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: Greetings
[19:26:14] [Crystal] Kyronix says: Welcome Timothy
[19:26:22] [Mesanna]: lets keep this to a few minutes ok
[19:26:28] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: Governor Smoot has sent me on his behalf
[19:26:29] [Mesanna]: so everyone gets a chance to talk
[19:26:37] [Mesanna]: I saw him outside
[19:26:46] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: he welcomes everyone to the city of Britain, and extends
[19:27:01] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: the office of Britain to the Dark Lady
[19:27:14] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: you are at his disposal
[19:27:27] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: I will keep this brief
[19:27:34] [Timothy Taterson]: (OOC)
[19:27:45] [Timothy Taterson]: The system is popular with RPers
[19:28:02] [Timothy Taterson]: and to alot of RPers 2mil a week is alot
[19:28:11] [Timothy Taterson]: i see no reason for a gold charge for a city buff
[19:28:36] [Timothy Taterson]: smaller shards would make use of it more if it were no charge
[19:28:44] [Timothy Taterson]: in regards to voting
[19:28:55] [Timothy Taterson]: 1 voter per account or otherwise
[19:29:23] [Timothy Taterson]: please keep things simple. there are always people who will prepare, see what it takes to have an
[19:29:31] [Timothy Taterson]: advantage in any system
[19:30:00] [Timothy Taterson]: please keep in mind that any change, if there is any advatage, people will find it
[19:30:15] [Timothy Taterson]: just please keep the system open to all
[19:30:37] [Timothy Taterson]: and not just those with 20 -50 accounts who take advatage of any given voting changes
[19:30:48] [Timothy Taterson]: To conclude
[19:30:59] [Timothy Taterson]: Politics in a video game...
[19:31:12] [Timothy Taterson]: is sure to make many unhappy
[19:31:25] [Timothy Taterson]: its can be a brutal combo
[19:31:46] [Timothy Taterson]: i would expect those running for governor to accept this
[19:31:54] [Timothy Taterson]: a bit moreso than normal gameplay
[19:32:15] [Timothy Taterson]: Governor Smoot did everything in his power to run a clean campaign
[19:32:35] [Timothy Taterson]: And Commends all the Governors that try to do the same
[19:32:39] [Timothy Taterson]: that is all
[19:32:46] [Kyronix]: Thank you Timothy
[19:32:48] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:32:51] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: *nods*
[19:32:56] [Mesanna]: Kyronix
[19:33:10] [Kyronix]: Yes?
[19:33:22] [Mesanna]: You want to say something before we pull more
[19:33:35] [Kyronix]: Ya sure, let me talk about the trade deal real quick
[19:33:45] [Kyronix]: To keep it short, because I know a lot of people want to have a chance to speak
[19:34:06] [Kyronix]: You have to examine the cost based on the reality of the economy as it is
[19:34:20] [Kyronix]: Is 2 mil a lot for one person? Some yes, some no - however it was never intended for one perso
[19:34:30] [Kyronix]: To carry that burden, and we've seen that has become the case in many instances
[19:34:44] [Kyronix]: So instead of just dropping the cost, what we'd rather do is provide more tools
[19:34:53] [Kyronix]: For Governors and their citizens to take advantage of so they can fund their cities
[19:35:00] [Kyronix]: and the treasuries in novel and exciting ways
[19:35:27] [Kyronix]: That's about the jist of it
[19:35:28] [Mesanna]: thanks
[19:35:29] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *grins*
[19:35:37] [Mesanna]: nice and short I love it
[19:35:39] [Mesanna]: next
[19:35:49] [Kyronix]: Hello Jon
[19:35:51] [Jon Marcus]: Good evening Messana and Kyronix.Thank for for holding this meeting.
[19:35:54] [Mesanna]: hi Jon
[19:36:02] [Jon Marcus]: Mine will also be short
[19:36:08] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *smiles*
[19:36:21] [Jon Marcus]: I would like to make a request that you change the "one accout--one vote+ rule
[19:36:46] [Mesanna]: do you mean make it so?
[19:36:51] [Jon Marcus]: I vote in Skara,but I also have another character that is very fond of Jhelom
[19:37:02] [Jon Marcus]: I had to make a decision on which city to vote in
[19:37:06] [Jon Marcus]: But...
[19:37:14] [Mesanna]: oh I see what you mean
[19:37:38] [Jon Marcus]: In allowing this,I would suggest that one account would be allowed to vote in the same city more t
[19:37:41] [Jon Marcus]: than pnce
[19:37:53] [Jon Marcus]: than once
[19:38:07] [Jon Marcus]: Thank you
[19:38:11] [Kyronix]: Thank you Jon
[19:38:17] [Mesanna]: your welcome thank you for coming
[19:38:28] [Jon Marcus]: thanks
[19:38:30] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[19:38:46] [Mesanna]: Hi Bardo
[19:38:49] [Bardo]: Hi mesana
[19:38:54] [Kyronix]: Hello Bardo
[19:38:57] [Mesanna]: No one can spell my name!
[19:39:03] [Bardo]: I would like to say jsut 2 things please
[19:39:07] [Bardo]: o srry
[19:39:09] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:39:21] [Bardo]: First I agree with Jon
[19:39:39] [Bardo]: we could make its so one account could vote in 2 cities
[19:39:48] [Bardo]: that would be fair I think
[19:39:52] [Bardo]: and ..
[19:40:09] [Bardo]: I dont know what pandoras box said all of anyway
[19:40:18] [Bardo]: but not allowing pvprs to
[19:40:33] [Bardo]: get buffs.. I dont agree. some of us have pvpr
[19:40:42] [Bardo]: and play the rp side .,
[19:40:48] [Bardo]: so I dont find that fair
[19:40:54] [Bardo]: taht is all thank you
[19:40:58] [Mesanna]: Thank you
[19:41:00] [Kyronix]: Thank you Bardo
[19:41:22] [Aron Unrequited]: Thank you for your time
[19:41:23] [Kyronix]: Hello Aron
[19:41:29] [Mesanna]: hi Aron
[19:41:39] [Aron Unrequited]: I have one request, and one general comment
[19:42:03] [Aron Unrequited]: The request first, as it doesn't need an answer as such
[19:42:25] [Aron Unrequited]: But the councils I attend tend to be well behaved, and you can see similar here tonight
[19:42:31] [Aron Unrequited]: Why, we even queue decently!
[19:43:07] [Aron Unrequited]: The fear of the Dark Lady perhaps; hence as a connected request, it would be nice to see that at wider events
[19:43:39] [Aron Unrequited]: Greater powers to squelch etc, I'm not sure, but the things that work for the Council have made roleplay in particular so much stronger
[19:44:03] [Aron Unrequited]: But, my question about it directly;
[19:44:30] [Aron Unrequited]: I play Europa, there's a question on Stratics about running for a Governer spot that's still open
[19:44:37] [Mesanna]: ok how is this related to the issue we are here tonight?
[19:44:47] [Aron Unrequited]: Could there be some clarification on how players can do that?
[19:45:19] [Mesanna]: is there is an opening
[19:45:28] [Aron Unrequited]: On Jhelom yes
[19:45:42] [Mesanna]: email me and I will discuss Europa with you
[19:45:51] [Mesanna]: this is not the place tonight
[19:45:55] [Aron Unrequited]: I ask because it will be open on many shards
[19:46:11] [Mesanna]: this is about an issue on Cats
[19:46:20] [Mesanna]: not an open forums for any issue
[19:46:21] [Mesanna]: sorry
[19:46:25] [Aron Unrequited]: Oh? I thought it was for Governors in general, I'm sorry
[19:46:30] [Mesanna]: no its not
[19:46:31] [Aron Unrequited]: Then I shall bell myself out
[19:46:36] [Aron Unrequited]: Thank you again
[19:46:37] [Mesanna]: no problem email me
[19:46:42] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[19:46:57] [Aornis of GL]: Good evening, Mesanna, Kyronix. Thank you for holding this open forum.
[19:47:01] [Mesanna]: Hi Aornix
[19:47:02] [Kyronix]: Hello!
[19:47:05] [Aornis of GL]: I am Aornis, also Alice, of Great Lakes, the current governor of Vesper.
[19:47:13] [Aornis of GL]: I came here tonight to discuss what happened during last week’s election on Great Lakes.
[19:47:25] [Aornis of GL]: Specifically, I want to discuss the Britain election.
[19:47:33] [Aornis of GL]: The current, and previous, governor of Brit was griefed, and I feel that the actions of
[19:47:43] [Aornis of GL]: the individual who did so should have ramifications.
[19:47:52] [Mesanna]: Stop guys
[19:47:56] [Mesanna]: I am sorry
[19:48:02] [Mesanna]: one second
[19:48:10] [Mesanna]: This meeting is about Catskills
[19:48:22] [Mesanna]: They are having an issue
[19:48:23] [Aornis of GL]: I apologize. From what I read of FLutter's message on stratics
[19:48:34] [Aornis of GL]: it was for all greifing issues during elections
[19:48:38] [Mesanna]: and asked for a meeting with us to discuss it
[19:48:56] [Mesanna]: we will be more than happy to come to your shards and speak to you guys
[19:48:57] [Aornis of GL]: May we request a GL meeting as well?
[19:49:04] [Mesanna]: yes be happy to
[19:49:06] [Aornis of GL]: Please.
[19:49:08] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you!
[19:49:11] [Mesanna]: we will set it up
[19:49:14] [Mesanna]: but know this
[19:49:19] [Aornis of GL]: Wonderful, thank you so much.
[19:49:44] [Mesanna]: as I answered in email this
[19:49:51] [Mesanna]: we do not have unique names
[19:50:05] [Mesanna]: if a player is harrassing you then the bouncer behind me
[19:50:10] [Mesanna]: will take care of it
[19:50:15] [Mesanna]: he is very good at his job
[19:50:18] [Brutrin]: Indeed
[19:50:20] [Aornis of GL]: I have a point about the names, but I will share it on our GL meetings
[19:50:25] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:50:25] [Aornis of GL]: and he does look intimidating : )
[19:50:28] [Mesanna]: lol
[19:50:31] [Mesanna]: pretty huh
[19:50:37] [Aornis of GL]: Hehe, yes
[19:50:41] [Mesanna]: I am not trying to be rude here
[19:50:45] [Mesanna]: I am sorry Aornis
[19:50:49] [Mesanna]: we will set up a meeting
[19:50:53] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you for your time. And again, I apologize for the confusioin about the topics.
[19:51:19] [Mesanna]: oh I have two now
[19:51:23] [Mesanna]: nice
[19:51:24] [Aornis of GL]: hehe
[19:51:31] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you both
[19:51:33] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:51:33] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[19:51:35] [Aornis of GL]: have a great evening.
[19:51:37] [Mesanna]: we will set up a date
[19:51:39] [Aornis of GL]: See you on GL, Mesanna.
[19:51:43] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:51:50] [Mesanna]: hi General
[19:51:56] [Kyronix]: Greetings!
[19:52:32] [General chaos]: sorry
[19:52:34] [General chaos]: lost con
[19:52:49] [General chaos]: sorry for the hold up
[19:52:57] [Mesanna]: no worries
[19:53:01] [General chaos]: im gona keep it short and to the point
[19:53:01] [Kyronix]: If you get removed from teh castle just head on back
[19:53:11] [Kyronix]: Not sure if you were out long enough to get auto removed
[19:53:14] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *smiles*
[19:53:27] [General chaos]: ok anyway
[19:53:45] [General chaos]: i was on the night during the last day to vote
[19:53:59] [General chaos]: and there was alot bashing
[19:54:05] [General chaos]: typical for general chat
[19:54:20] [General chaos]: i cant quote anyone to much extent
[19:54:25] [General chaos]: but i do remeber
[19:54:37] [General chaos]: that someone not giving any names
[19:54:45] [General chaos]: made a character
[19:54:51] [General chaos]: skankilicous
[19:55:04] [General chaos]: and called pandora a skank
[19:55:12] [General chaos]: and i did confront them
[19:55:27] [General chaos]: and they just ignored me and then it exploded in general chat
[19:55:28] [Mesanna]: thats what the harrassment feature is for
[19:55:42] [General chaos]: yes but that feature doesnt work
[19:55:55] [Mesanna]: ?
[19:55:58] [General chaos]: mutiple people have used it
[19:56:02] [General chaos]: and nothing happend
[19:56:03] [Mesanna]: Is it broke?
[19:56:05] [General chaos]: happens
[19:56:09] [General chaos]: not broke
[19:56:13] [General chaos]: no gms heere
[19:56:15] [General chaos]: here
[19:56:21] [Mesanna]: Psst
[19:56:23] [General chaos]: i have been back
[19:56:24] [Mesanna]: two right here
[19:56:30] [General chaos]: for 3 months
[19:56:38] [General chaos]: and u guys are the first ones to see
[19:56:40] [Mesanna]: and you won't see a GM for that type of call
[19:57:06] [General chaos]: i understand people trash talk
[19:57:08] [General chaos]: its a game
[19:57:27] [General chaos]: but breaking peoples morals and stuff like ive seen
[19:57:34] [Mesanna]: General I am trying to get to the bottom of the issue here
[19:57:37] [General chaos]: uncalled for
[19:57:42] [Mesanna]: agreed
[19:57:46] [General chaos]: aye
[19:57:51] [Mesanna]: we are supposed to be adults
[19:57:58] [Mesanna]: or most of us are =)
[19:58:02] [General chaos]: i know
[19:58:27] [General chaos]: thats all i gotta say
[19:58:31] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:58:36] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[19:58:37] [General chaos]: thank you guys
[19:59:03] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[19:59:13] [Mesanna]: hi Parnoc
[19:59:22] [Parnoc]: Good Evening
[19:59:25] [Kyronix]: Hello!
[19:59:34] [Parnoc]: i just have a comment that i think may help
[19:59:55] [Parnoc]: I feel that this was done to make the cities more visited
[20:00:02] [Parnoc]: but it has done the opposite
[20:00:07] [Parnoc]: i feel that is
[20:00:08] [Parnoc]: if
[20:00:18] [Parnoc]: the buff were decided by each citizen
[20:01:52] [Parnoc]: it would not make the person switch his city that he has been loyal to for
[20:01:56] [Parnoc]: perhaps a long time
[20:02:15] [Parnoc]: and would make much more popular the city buff and loyalty for each city
[20:02:39] [Parnoc]: that's it, thank you very much
[20:02:49] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:02:53] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[20:03:00] [Mesanna]: hi Lucent
[20:03:03] [Lucent Dreher]: Hello
[20:03:06] [Kyronix]: Hello Lucent
[20:03:10] [Lucent Dreher]: I'd like to keep this short
[20:03:14] [Lucent Dreher]: as many are waiting
[20:03:23] [Lucent Dreher]: so excuse abruptness
[20:03:35] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *nods*
[20:03:49] [Lucent Dreher]: I feel that most people do not agree that the city system is for rpers and that it is useful to
[20:03:52] [Lucent Dreher]: all
[20:04:25] [Lucent Dreher]: I also would like to know exactly what the problem on catskills was
[20:04:33] [Mesanna]: me too
[20:04:40] [Mesanna]: I have heard many things
[20:04:41] [Lucent Dreher]: The election might have been a bit heated but it couldn't be the worst
[20:04:46] [Mesanna]: but I hoped to hear it first hand
[20:04:54] [Mesanna]: but I haven't
[20:05:11] [Lucent Dreher]: Sorry that's about it
[20:05:17] [Lucent Dreher]: cya
[20:05:18] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:05:28] [Mesanna]: hi Velvathos
[20:05:36] [Mesanna]: stop
[20:05:41] [Velvathos]: Greetings!
[20:05:44] [Kyronix]: Sorry!
[20:05:46] [Kyronix]: Wrong button
[20:06:00] [Velvathos]: Interestin' look ye have there Mesanna, been bathing in charcoal again?
[20:06:15] [Velvathos]: Anyways!
[20:06:38] [Velvathos]: Onto the discussion! I believe voting
[20:06:40] [Mesanna]: you better be glad my slay button stalled out =P
[20:07:05] [Velvathos]: I believe that voting should be done once per shard somehow, like someone else suggested
[20:07:14] [Velvathos]: Tied to your house or something along the lines
[20:07:30] [Velvathos]: But I feel you should be able to use all your characters to vote to vote in multiple cities
[20:07:37] [Velvathos]: But only on one shard
[20:08:25] [Velvathos]: I believe that's all for now then..
[20:08:30] [Velvathos]: I will send you an e-mail..
[20:08:32] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:08:36] [Mesanna]: ok
[20:08:49] [Mesanna]: hi Brigantia
[20:09:05] [Brigantia]: Could we please have some way of earning lockdowns for our events? A tool with limited time set?
[20:09:19] [Brigantia]: Something that is not subject to the whims of EM's?
[20:09:28] [Brigantia]: Spread out to all the cities?
[20:09:57] [Mesanna]: For what purpose?
[20:10:02] [Brigantia]: Events
[20:10:07] [Brigantia]: to combat griefers
[20:10:16] [Brigantia]: so they dont run off with all our decor
[[20:10:22] [Brigantia]: and ruin our events
[20:10:25] [Mesanna]: you mean like the market
[20:10:33] [Mesanna]: or a crafting center
[20:10:34] [Mesanna]: etc
[20:10:36] [Brigantia]: no like the Hoopla
[20:10:45] [Brigantia]: only Governors can do it
[20:11:01] [Mesanna]: ok so Kyronix and the team have talked about this
[20:11:07] [Brigantia]: something not subject to the whim of EMs
[20:11:09] [Mesanna]: and we talked to the EM's
[20:11:37] [Brigantia]: something we can earn
[20:12:14] [Brigantia]: so its not just given out to 3 cites of 9 for example
[20:12:28] [Mesanna]: we are going to build a library of the areas
[20:12:40] [Mesanna]: that the governs can place for a limited time
[20:12:47] [Mesanna]: in specific areas
[20:12:57] [Mesanna]: but giving you the options to lock down items
[20:13:17] [Brigantia]: that will help greatly
[20:13:36] [Mesanna]: I think that will help you guys alot
[20:13:40] [Mesanna]: do the events you want to do
[20:13:47] [Mesanna]: and you can place them yourselfs
[20:13:56] [Mesanna]: and place the styles of set ups you want
[20:14:21] [Mesanna]: but thats in the future
[20:14:27] [Brigantia]: it will help with greifers and percieved favoritism
[20:14:40] [Brigantia]: i may consider running again if that is in place
[20:14:43] [Brigantia]: thank you
[20:14:50] [Mesanna]: your welcome
[20:14:52] [Mesanna]: thanks you
[20:14:55] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:15:05] [Mesanna]: Poo Poo
[20:15:09] [Mesanna]: Hi
[20:15:13] [Kyronix]: Hello
[20:15:18] [Poo Poo Undies]: Hello
[20:15:23] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: Are there any plans on the table to expand the role of the governorship...
[20:15:31] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: or to provide a purpose to encourage players to interact with their town governor?
[20:15:40] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: aside from the town buff.
[20:15:46] [Kyronix]: I think people are already doing that
[20:15:50] [Kyronix]: On a number of shards
[20:16:03] [Kyronix]: It's about what you make it - we left i open ended for a reason
[20:16:06] [Poo Poo Undies]: Outside of roleplay?
[20:16:38] [Kyronix]: The main purpose is to provide a medium for interacting with events throughout the realm
[20:16:47] [Kyronix]: And bringing community leaders together and supporting them
[20:17:01] [Poo Poo Undies]: Ok. That is all I have to ask
[20:17:07] [Poo Poo Undies]: Thank you
[20:17:17] [Kyronix]: providing tools to accomplish that would be along the lines of something beyond the buff
[20:17:23] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[20:18:27] [Mesanna]: hi Aurelius
[20:18:29] [Aurelius]: Thank you for the chance to speak on Governor issues, i'll try be brief...
[20:18:56] [Aurelius]: First I agree with most of what Pandora gave as reasons againt sht one vote per account, but ald
[20:19:23] [Aurelius]: I play characters, not accounts - by all means limit the account vote to one shard,
[20:19:42] [Aurelius]: but adding another gap between the player and the characters is not a good idea...
[20:20:04] [Aurelius]: It also led to an issue where someone appeared to stand on multiple - as in about 20 - shards
[20:20:23] [Aurelius]: As they were the only opponent to most governors they challenged, people were
[20:20:46] [Aurelius]: obliged to vote for that governor - only for the 'pretender' to withdraw a ady into the elections
[20:21:02] [Aurelius]: so effectively thos people lost any opportunity for a meaningful vote
[20:21:07] [Aurelius]: on their home shard.
[20:21:29] [Aurelius]: As for Felucca, and buffs ... we do need something for the Fel people ...
[20:21:44] [Aurelius]: As it stands, the Trammel only option is causing more divisiveness between the
[20:21:57] [Aurelius]: two groups of players, hwich surely can't be the intention...
[20:22:07] [Aurelius]: A different, but parralel, system would be welcome.
[20:22:28] [Aurelius]: Regarding voting being 'politics' ... yes, it is, in part
[20:22:45] [Aurelius]: but when it's made cross shard polularity, it's not in-game, shard specific, politics,..
[20:22:52] [Aurelius]: and again, surely that is not what is intended?
[20:23:18] [Aurelius]: The other thigns I had planned to say, seem inappropriate as I had
[20:23:34] [Aurelius]: uinderstood from theforums this was a general 'Governor's issues' duiscussion ...
[20:23:51] [Aurelius]: Perhaps we can arrange such a general, not shard specific, conversation in some way?
[20:23:57] [Aurelius]: And that's about it ....
[20:24:03] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:24:09] [Aurelius]: Thank you for your time
[20:24:12] [Kyronix]: Thank you!
[20:24:27] [Mesanna]: Hi Jirel
[20:24:35] [Jirel of Joiry]: Hello mesanna plz forgive my slow typing and abbr. I hava broken arm and only one hand 4 typing
[20:24:45] [Mesanna]: Oh I am sorry
[20:24:52] [Kyronix]: Hello! And feel better
[20:24:59] [Jirel of Joiry]: I wish to ask 4 a legends meeting
[20:25:06] [Mesanna]: ok
[20:25:11] [Mesanna]: we will do one for all shards
[20:25:16] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty kyronix
[20:25:17] [Mesanna]: think its a good idea
[20:25:37] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty we have had elections probs too
[20:26:09] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty 4 both of your time
[20:26:15] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:26:16] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[20:26:27] [Jirel of Joiry]: sorry again 4 crummy typing
[20:26:32] [Kyronix]: No problem
[20:26:33] [Mesanna]: no worries
[20:26:39] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[20:26:41] [Mesanna]: feel better
[20:26:48] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty mesanna
[20:26:59] [Mesanna]: hi Va'lis
[20:27:01] [Kyronix]: Hello Va'lis
[20:27:06] [Va'lis Razele]: Good evening.
[20:27:10] [Va'lis Razele]: Where to start where to start...
[20:27:27] [Va'lis Razele]: Well first...if you arent doing anything after this Mesanna...I know a lovely tavern in Nu'jelm
[20:27:39] [Va'lis Razele]: But that is besides the point
[20:27:40] [Mesanna]: asking me for a date?
[20:27:47] [Va'lis Razele]: Are you saying yes?
[20:27:59] [Mesanna]: we will talk later *winks*
[20:28:06] [Va'lis Razele]: Oh lovely.
[20:28:16] [Va'lis Razele]: Now, down to business
[20:28:27] [Va'lis Razele]: I have a few points I would like to bring up.
[20:28:38] [Va'lis Razele]: First... The griefing issues.
[20:28:53] [Va'lis Razele]: I was there for much of the final day of elections.
[20:29:16] [Va'lis Razele]: And to say it was heated well..
[20:29:35] [Va'lis Razele]: Name calling is one thing.
[20:29:46] [Va'lis Razele]: Some things were taken past that.
[20:29:50] [Va'lis Razele]: Such as this
[20:30:05] [Va'lis Razele]: One of many dropped throughout the towns
[20:30:34] [Va'lis Razele]: But.
[20:30:45] [Va'lis Razele]: People seemed very upset
[20:30:53] [Va'lis Razele]: About people using multiple accounts
[20:30:56] [Va'lis Razele]: That they pay for
[20:30:59] [Mesanna]: look at general chat please
[20:31:01] [Va'lis Razele]: To vote how they wished.
[20:31:37] [Mesanna]: Va'lis I am aware of all this and more actually
[20:31:40] [Mesanna]: but thank you
[20:31:43] [Va'lis Razele]: Ah lovely.
[20:31:50] [Va'lis Razele]: Second thing then.
[20:31:54] [Mesanna]: I did come informed
[20:32:00] [Va'lis Razele]: I am glad.
[20:32:17] [Va'lis Razele]: But...My next thing
[20:32:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Was on the topic of voting?
[20:32:44] [Va'lis Razele]: In RL, voting is restricted to those of age
[20:33:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Even gifts are restricted to those of age.
[20:33:29] [Va'lis Razele]: Why is voting not as well?
[20:33:36] [Va'lis Razele]: Just a thought.
[20:33:51] [Va'lis Razele]: And one final thing.
[20:34:02] [Mesanna]: Are you talking 30 days old?
[20:34:08] [Va'lis Razele]: 30,60,a year
[20:34:09] [Mesanna]: do you really think that would help?
[20:34:10] [Va'lis Razele]: Something
[20:34:14] [Va'lis Razele]: I think it would help
[20:34:15] [Va'lis Razele]: Yes
[20:34:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Now..I know..
[20:34:32] [Va'lis Razele]: That some would treat is they do with the gift xsharding
[20:34:39] [Va'lis Razele]: But it would help a bit.
[20:34:59] [Va'lis Razele]: I saw a few trial accounts opened
[20:35:04] [Va'lis Razele]: The young status dropped
[20:35:09] [Va'lis Razele]: Ingots donated
[20:35:12] [Va'lis Razele]: And they voted
[20:35:12] [Kyronix]: You can't vote with a trial account
[20:35:23] [Va'lis Razele]: If they purchase the 1 month game time
[20:35:23] [Mesanna]: Brutrin you there?
[20:35:24] [Va'lis Razele]: They can.
[20:35:28] [Va'lis Razele]: I have in the past done it.
[20:35:35] [Va'lis Razele]: I admit it, I have.
[20:35:42] [Va'lis Razele]: Not for the most recent election
[20:35:45] [Va'lis Razele]: But in the past.
[20:35:55] [Kyronix]: At that point they have paid for their time just as anyone has
[20:35:55] [Mesanna]: Please divorce that person please
[20:36:11] [Va'lis Razele]: Then why are gifts not allowed instantly as well?
[20:36:21] [Va'lis Razele]: Merely my thoughts on the matter in regard to voting.
[20:36:30] [Kyronix]: We appreciate the feedback
[20:36:32] [Mesanna]: tell him to just change the name please
[20:36:34] [Va'lis Razele]: Last thing
[20:36:46] [Va'lis Razele]: The whole buff issue
[20:37:11] [Va'lis Razele]: I am one that agrees , that maybe the buffs should not be tied to the governorship
[20:37:21] [Va'lis Razele]: But maybe to the guild system
[20:37:27] [Va'lis Razele]: With a guild treasury
[20:37:56] [Va'lis Razele]: After all
[20:38:04] [Va'lis Razele]: Some players have their own towns
[20:38:13] [Va'lis Razele]: Or other things
[20:38:15] [Mesanna]: thank you Va'lis that they do
[20:38:25] [Va'lis Razele]: I think that is all I have.
[20:38:33] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:38:34] [Va'lis Razele]: And Mesanna, I will be waiting for your answer.
[20:38:37] [Crystal] Va'lis Razele says: *winks*
[20:38:40] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *grins*
[19:04:22] [Crystal] Mesanna says: Pandora welcome
[19:04:26] [Kyronix]: Good Evening Pandora
[19:04:32] [Pandora]: Hello my Dark one.
[19:04:42] [Mesanna]: Good evening
[19:05:06] [Pandora]: Well, my first feedback for you guys is that this system was a great idea....
[19:05:33] [Pandora]: I know Mes really wanted it to shine from her video at the 15th anniversary
[19:05:43] [Pandora]: But I think for some times now
[19:06:02] [Pandora]: you've been trying to mesh certain communities that do not traditionally mesh well
[19:06:23] [Pandora]: I felt this system was predominately created for RP'ers
[19:06:48] [Pandora]: but in adding the city buffs, it seemed to want to include the pvp'ers
[19:06:59] [Pandora]: and traditionally those two communities just do not get along
[19:07:07] [Pandora]: its the whole reason Trammel exists in the first place
[19:07:26] [Pandora]: I feel the governor system should be expanded to include Felucca
[19:07:34] [Pandora]: Let them have their own governor system
[19:07:42] [Pandora]: and let them have the city buffs
[19:07:53] [Pandora]: The two communities are just too basically different
[19:08:18] [Pandora]: We want to beautify the city, we want to have events that are based in the history of the cities
[19:08:28] [Pandora]: we want to expand the collections
[19:08:39] [Pandora]: like the zoo and the museum and the library
[19:08:44] [Pandora]: and none of those efforts
[19:08:46] [Pandora]: NONE
[19:09:02] [Pandora]: are taken into consideration by certain groups
[19:09:09] [Pandora]: all they want is their buff
[19:09:15] [Pandora]: because they create their templates
[19:09:16] [Pandora]: for pvp
[19:09:18] [Pandora]: based on them
[19:09:21] [Pandora]: period.
[19:09:37] [Pandora]: they dont care for any efforts that we do (the RP'ers) to bring that element to the city
[19:09:47] [Pandora]: and while all our events are open to all types of players
[19:09:54] [Pandora]: they just dont find that stuff fun
[19:09:57] [Pandora]: they want to go out and pvp
[19:10:03] [Pandora]: that's their fun
[19:10:07] [Pandora]: so please
[19:10:13] [Pandora]: consider that
[19:10:20] [Pandora]: those two communities are DIFFERENT
[19:10:26] [Pandora]: they have different goals
[19:10:30] [Pandora]: different objectives
[19:10:35] [Pandora]: and i'd love to see Felucca be more
[19:10:43] [Pandora]: than just a place that we have exiled reds to
[19:10:49] [Pandora]: it should be FAR more than that
[19:10:56] [Pandora]: maybe I would enjoy pvp again
[19:11:00] [Pandora]: if there was more to it
[19:11:11] [Pandora]: but i urge to trhink about
[19:11:17] [Pandora]: giving felucca its own governor system
[19:11:28] [Pandora]: and letting trammel be more of the rp-focused governor system
[19:11:36] [Pandora]: will that stop griefers?
[19:11:45] [Pandora]: prob not... if someone REALLY wants to grief you
[19:11:47] [Pandora]: they will
[19:11:56] [Pandora]: but at least this separation will
[19:12:02] [Pandora]: not PROMOTE such things
[19:12:06] [Pandora]: the voting
[19:12:16] [Pandora]: should be 1 vote per account on ONE SHARD
[19:12:25] [Pandora]: the shard you have your house on
[19:12:33] [Pandora]: that's your main shard
[19:12:40] [Pandora]: and if you play multiple shards
[19:12:43] [Pandora]: great
[19:12:57] [Pandora]: but to have it open up to x y z shards all over
[19:13:02] [Pandora]: just wasnt a good idea
[19:13:06] [Pandora]: it was far better before
[19:13:11] [Pandora]: when all my characters could vote
[19:13:15] [Pandora]: i feel the change was
[19:13:23] [Pandora]: too impulsive
[19:13:28] [Pandora]: because it actually promotes
[19:13:33] [Pandora]: people cross-shard voting
[19:13:40] [Pandora]: like we're basically forced to do that
[19:13:44] [Pandora]: and what about ppl like me?
[19:13:52] [Pandora]: i have only ever played catskills
[19:13:55] [Pandora]: my whole UO life
[19:13:59] [Pandora]: I dont play other shard
[19:14:02] [Pandora]: therefore
[19:14:03] [Pandora]: guess what
[19:14:12] [Pandora]: I am not as popular as others that do
[19:14:25] [Pandora]: so its become a total popularity contest
[19:14:35] [Pandora]: its not about what you can do for your city
[19:14:39] [Pandora]: its about how many people you know
[19:14:40] [Pandora]:
[19:14:46] [Mesanna]: its politics
[19:15:05] [Pandora]: And that's right... it is...
[19:15:18] [Pandora]: and if I paid $15/mo to be an US Citizen to vote
[19:15:30] [Pandora]: then that would be equivalent
[19:15:32] [Pandora]: but this is a game
[19:15:36] [Pandora]: that we all subscribe to
[19:15:40] [Pandora]: and pay for
[19:15:48] [Pandora]: we dont want to pay money to be griefed or
[19:15:52] [Pandora]: have it be unfair
[19:15:57] [Pandora]: or even percieved as unfair
[19:16:01] [Pandora]: again
[19:16:09] [Mesanna]: Ok Pandora how were you griefed
[19:16:09] [Pandora]: i think felucca should be looked at more
[19:16:31] [Pandora]: Well what I percieved as griefed is the personal attacks on my character
[19:16:37] [Pandora]: on my moral standing
[19:16:59] [Pandora]: being called names or being told that my only job is to PAY for a city buff
[19:17:07] [Pandora]: I see that as griefed
[19:17:19] [Pandora]: griefing is anything that makes you feel a certain way
[19:17:25] [Pandora]: it causes grief
[19:17:30] [Pandora]: i felt nothing I did
[19:17:36] [Pandora]: was worth anything
[19:17:48] [Pandora]: it was just about paying $2 mil a week for a buff
[19:17:54] [Pandora]: expected to pay that out of my own pocket
[19:18:15] [Pandora]: it was just my first term, i didnt know what it was going to be like...
[19:18:30] [Pandora]: hell for ever my friend was governor of another city and we didnt even know
[19:18:34] [Pandora]: a guideline
[19:18:44] [Pandora]: on what the EM's could or could not provide
[19:18:50] [Pandora]: it was SOOOOOO drastically different
[19:18:56] [Pandora]: from one shard to the other
[19:19:05] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:19:14] [Pandora]: For the longest we didnt know what the system was really about
[19:19:15] [Mesanna]: lets stick to the topic on hand here please
[19:19:19] [Pandora]: k
[19:19:49] [Mesanna]: so to sum up your issues
[19:19:59] [Mesanna]: you want Fel incorportated
[19:20:14] [Pandora]: I do... with its own system, with the city buffs moved there
[19:20:35] [Mesanna]: well I was going to wait till the end but I will say this now
[19:20:57] [Mesanna]: fel is not even under Blackthorns ruling so thats going to be hard under the new PVP system ...
[19:21:02] [Mesanna]: that will be in place in the future
[19:21:25] [Mesanna]: we want it out of towns not putting things back into the towns
[19:21:51] [Mesanna]: one vote per account per shard?
[19:22:17] [Mesanna]: Is that right?
[19:22:22] [Mesanna]: sorry taking notes
[19:22:32] [Pandora]: more like lock an account once a vote is cast to that shard
[19:23:00] [Pandora]: or if it is as Kyronix mentioned before tied to the housing database
[19:23:08] [Pandora]: maybe that might be something to explore too
[19:23:16] [Pandora]: vote on the shard where your house is
[19:23:18] [Mesanna]: Different systems
[19:23:21] [Pandora]: ok
[19:23:49] [Pandora]: kyro mentioned something about it would have to be similar to that database (something to that
[19:23:53] [Pandora]: effect).
[19:24:01] [Pandora]: because housing is locked to 1 shard
[19:24:16] [Pandora]: not that they are same systems but that its similar in tha tsense
[19:24:27] [Mesanna]: Pandora please finish up
[19:24:31] [Pandora]: k
[19:24:36] [Mesanna]: no thats not going to work
[19:24:37] [Pandora]: Okay.
[19:24:47] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *nods*
[19:25:03] [Pandora]: Okay
[19:25:03] [Crystal] Pandora says: Okay
[19:25:35] [Crystal] Kyronix says: Thank you for your feedback
[19:25:52] [Mesanna]: Thanks sorry finishing the notes
[19:26:11] [Mesanna]: hi Timothy
[19:26:14] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: Greetings
[19:26:14] [Crystal] Kyronix says: Welcome Timothy
[19:26:22] [Mesanna]: lets keep this to a few minutes ok
[19:26:28] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: Governor Smoot has sent me on his behalf
[19:26:29] [Mesanna]: so everyone gets a chance to talk
[19:26:37] [Mesanna]: I saw him outside
[19:26:46] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: he welcomes everyone to the city of Britain, and extends
[19:27:01] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: the office of Britain to the Dark Lady
[19:27:14] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: you are at his disposal
[19:27:27] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: I will keep this brief
[19:27:34] [Timothy Taterson]: (OOC)
[19:27:45] [Timothy Taterson]: The system is popular with RPers
[19:28:02] [Timothy Taterson]: and to alot of RPers 2mil a week is alot
[19:28:11] [Timothy Taterson]: i see no reason for a gold charge for a city buff
[19:28:36] [Timothy Taterson]: smaller shards would make use of it more if it were no charge
[19:28:44] [Timothy Taterson]: in regards to voting
[19:28:55] [Timothy Taterson]: 1 voter per account or otherwise
[19:29:23] [Timothy Taterson]: please keep things simple. there are always people who will prepare, see what it takes to have an
[19:29:31] [Timothy Taterson]: advantage in any system
[19:30:00] [Timothy Taterson]: please keep in mind that any change, if there is any advatage, people will find it
[19:30:15] [Timothy Taterson]: just please keep the system open to all
[19:30:37] [Timothy Taterson]: and not just those with 20 -50 accounts who take advatage of any given voting changes
[19:30:48] [Timothy Taterson]: To conclude
[19:30:59] [Timothy Taterson]: Politics in a video game...
[19:31:12] [Timothy Taterson]: is sure to make many unhappy
[19:31:25] [Timothy Taterson]: its can be a brutal combo
[19:31:46] [Timothy Taterson]: i would expect those running for governor to accept this
[19:31:54] [Timothy Taterson]: a bit moreso than normal gameplay
[19:32:15] [Timothy Taterson]: Governor Smoot did everything in his power to run a clean campaign
[19:32:35] [Timothy Taterson]: And Commends all the Governors that try to do the same
[19:32:39] [Timothy Taterson]: that is all
[19:32:46] [Kyronix]: Thank you Timothy
[19:32:48] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:32:51] [Crystal] Timothy Taterson says: *nods*
[19:32:56] [Mesanna]: Kyronix
[19:33:10] [Kyronix]: Yes?
[19:33:22] [Mesanna]: You want to say something before we pull more
[19:33:35] [Kyronix]: Ya sure, let me talk about the trade deal real quick
[19:33:45] [Kyronix]: To keep it short, because I know a lot of people want to have a chance to speak
[19:34:06] [Kyronix]: You have to examine the cost based on the reality of the economy as it is
[19:34:20] [Kyronix]: Is 2 mil a lot for one person? Some yes, some no - however it was never intended for one perso
[19:34:30] [Kyronix]: To carry that burden, and we've seen that has become the case in many instances
[19:34:44] [Kyronix]: So instead of just dropping the cost, what we'd rather do is provide more tools
[19:34:53] [Kyronix]: For Governors and their citizens to take advantage of so they can fund their cities
[19:35:00] [Kyronix]: and the treasuries in novel and exciting ways
[19:35:27] [Kyronix]: That's about the jist of it
[19:35:28] [Mesanna]: thanks
[19:35:29] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *grins*
[19:35:37] [Mesanna]: nice and short I love it
[19:35:39] [Mesanna]: next
[19:35:49] [Kyronix]: Hello Jon
[19:35:51] [Jon Marcus]: Good evening Messana and Kyronix.Thank for for holding this meeting.
[19:35:54] [Mesanna]: hi Jon
[19:36:02] [Jon Marcus]: Mine will also be short
[19:36:08] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *smiles*
[19:36:21] [Jon Marcus]: I would like to make a request that you change the "one accout--one vote+ rule
[19:36:46] [Mesanna]: do you mean make it so?
[19:36:51] [Jon Marcus]: I vote in Skara,but I also have another character that is very fond of Jhelom
[19:37:02] [Jon Marcus]: I had to make a decision on which city to vote in
[19:37:06] [Jon Marcus]: But...
[19:37:14] [Mesanna]: oh I see what you mean
[19:37:38] [Jon Marcus]: In allowing this,I would suggest that one account would be allowed to vote in the same city more t
[19:37:41] [Jon Marcus]: than pnce
[19:37:53] [Jon Marcus]: than once
[19:38:07] [Jon Marcus]: Thank you
[19:38:11] [Kyronix]: Thank you Jon
[19:38:17] [Mesanna]: your welcome thank you for coming
[19:38:28] [Jon Marcus]: thanks
[19:38:30] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[19:38:46] [Mesanna]: Hi Bardo
[19:38:49] [Bardo]: Hi mesana
[19:38:54] [Kyronix]: Hello Bardo
[19:38:57] [Mesanna]: No one can spell my name!
[19:39:03] [Bardo]: I would like to say jsut 2 things please
[19:39:07] [Bardo]: o srry
[19:39:09] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:39:21] [Bardo]: First I agree with Jon
[19:39:39] [Bardo]: we could make its so one account could vote in 2 cities
[19:39:48] [Bardo]: that would be fair I think
[19:39:52] [Bardo]: and ..
[19:40:09] [Bardo]: I dont know what pandoras box said all of anyway
[19:40:18] [Bardo]: but not allowing pvprs to
[19:40:33] [Bardo]: get buffs.. I dont agree. some of us have pvpr
[19:40:42] [Bardo]: and play the rp side .,
[19:40:48] [Bardo]: so I dont find that fair
[19:40:54] [Bardo]: taht is all thank you
[19:40:58] [Mesanna]: Thank you
[19:41:00] [Kyronix]: Thank you Bardo
[19:41:22] [Aron Unrequited]: Thank you for your time
[19:41:23] [Kyronix]: Hello Aron
[19:41:29] [Mesanna]: hi Aron
[19:41:39] [Aron Unrequited]: I have one request, and one general comment
[19:42:03] [Aron Unrequited]: The request first, as it doesn't need an answer as such
[19:42:25] [Aron Unrequited]: But the councils I attend tend to be well behaved, and you can see similar here tonight
[19:42:31] [Aron Unrequited]: Why, we even queue decently!
[19:43:07] [Aron Unrequited]: The fear of the Dark Lady perhaps; hence as a connected request, it would be nice to see that at wider events
[19:43:39] [Aron Unrequited]: Greater powers to squelch etc, I'm not sure, but the things that work for the Council have made roleplay in particular so much stronger
[19:44:03] [Aron Unrequited]: But, my question about it directly;
[19:44:30] [Aron Unrequited]: I play Europa, there's a question on Stratics about running for a Governer spot that's still open
[19:44:37] [Mesanna]: ok how is this related to the issue we are here tonight?
[19:44:47] [Aron Unrequited]: Could there be some clarification on how players can do that?
[19:45:19] [Mesanna]: is there is an opening
[19:45:28] [Aron Unrequited]: On Jhelom yes
[19:45:42] [Mesanna]: email me and I will discuss Europa with you
[19:45:51] [Mesanna]: this is not the place tonight
[19:45:55] [Aron Unrequited]: I ask because it will be open on many shards
[19:46:11] [Mesanna]: this is about an issue on Cats
[19:46:20] [Mesanna]: not an open forums for any issue
[19:46:21] [Mesanna]: sorry
[19:46:25] [Aron Unrequited]: Oh? I thought it was for Governors in general, I'm sorry
[19:46:30] [Mesanna]: no its not
[19:46:31] [Aron Unrequited]: Then I shall bell myself out
[19:46:36] [Aron Unrequited]: Thank you again
[19:46:37] [Mesanna]: no problem email me
[19:46:42] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[19:46:57] [Aornis of GL]: Good evening, Mesanna, Kyronix. Thank you for holding this open forum.
[19:47:01] [Mesanna]: Hi Aornix
[19:47:02] [Kyronix]: Hello!
[19:47:05] [Aornis of GL]: I am Aornis, also Alice, of Great Lakes, the current governor of Vesper.
[19:47:13] [Aornis of GL]: I came here tonight to discuss what happened during last week’s election on Great Lakes.
[19:47:25] [Aornis of GL]: Specifically, I want to discuss the Britain election.
[19:47:33] [Aornis of GL]: The current, and previous, governor of Brit was griefed, and I feel that the actions of
[19:47:43] [Aornis of GL]: the individual who did so should have ramifications.
[19:47:52] [Mesanna]: Stop guys
[19:47:56] [Mesanna]: I am sorry
[19:48:02] [Mesanna]: one second
[19:48:10] [Mesanna]: This meeting is about Catskills
[19:48:22] [Mesanna]: They are having an issue
[19:48:23] [Aornis of GL]: I apologize. From what I read of FLutter's message on stratics
[19:48:34] [Aornis of GL]: it was for all greifing issues during elections
[19:48:38] [Mesanna]: and asked for a meeting with us to discuss it
[19:48:56] [Mesanna]: we will be more than happy to come to your shards and speak to you guys
[19:48:57] [Aornis of GL]: May we request a GL meeting as well?
[19:49:04] [Mesanna]: yes be happy to
[19:49:06] [Aornis of GL]: Please.
[19:49:08] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you!
[19:49:11] [Mesanna]: we will set it up
[19:49:14] [Mesanna]: but know this
[19:49:19] [Aornis of GL]: Wonderful, thank you so much.
[19:49:44] [Mesanna]: as I answered in email this
[19:49:51] [Mesanna]: we do not have unique names
[19:50:05] [Mesanna]: if a player is harrassing you then the bouncer behind me
[19:50:10] [Mesanna]: will take care of it
[19:50:15] [Mesanna]: he is very good at his job
[19:50:18] [Brutrin]: Indeed
[19:50:20] [Aornis of GL]: I have a point about the names, but I will share it on our GL meetings
[19:50:25] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:50:25] [Aornis of GL]: and he does look intimidating : )
[19:50:28] [Mesanna]: lol
[19:50:31] [Mesanna]: pretty huh
[19:50:37] [Aornis of GL]: Hehe, yes
[19:50:41] [Mesanna]: I am not trying to be rude here
[19:50:45] [Mesanna]: I am sorry Aornis
[19:50:49] [Mesanna]: we will set up a meeting
[19:50:53] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you for your time. And again, I apologize for the confusioin about the topics.
[19:51:19] [Mesanna]: oh I have two now
[19:51:23] [Mesanna]: nice
[19:51:24] [Aornis of GL]: hehe
[19:51:31] [Aornis of GL]: Thank you both
[19:51:33] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:51:33] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[19:51:35] [Aornis of GL]: have a great evening.
[19:51:37] [Mesanna]: we will set up a date
[19:51:39] [Aornis of GL]: See you on GL, Mesanna.
[19:51:43] [Mesanna]: ok
[19:51:50] [Mesanna]: hi General
[19:51:56] [Kyronix]: Greetings!
[19:52:32] [General chaos]: sorry
[19:52:34] [General chaos]: lost con
[19:52:49] [General chaos]: sorry for the hold up
[19:52:57] [Mesanna]: no worries
[19:53:01] [General chaos]: im gona keep it short and to the point
[19:53:01] [Kyronix]: If you get removed from teh castle just head on back
[19:53:11] [Kyronix]: Not sure if you were out long enough to get auto removed
[19:53:14] [Crystal] Kyronix says: *smiles*
[19:53:27] [General chaos]: ok anyway
[19:53:45] [General chaos]: i was on the night during the last day to vote
[19:53:59] [General chaos]: and there was alot bashing
[19:54:05] [General chaos]: typical for general chat
[19:54:20] [General chaos]: i cant quote anyone to much extent
[19:54:25] [General chaos]: but i do remeber
[19:54:37] [General chaos]: that someone not giving any names
[19:54:45] [General chaos]: made a character
[19:54:51] [General chaos]: skankilicous
[19:55:04] [General chaos]: and called pandora a skank
[19:55:12] [General chaos]: and i did confront them
[19:55:27] [General chaos]: and they just ignored me and then it exploded in general chat
[19:55:28] [Mesanna]: thats what the harrassment feature is for
[19:55:42] [General chaos]: yes but that feature doesnt work
[19:55:55] [Mesanna]: ?
[19:55:58] [General chaos]: mutiple people have used it
[19:56:02] [General chaos]: and nothing happend
[19:56:03] [Mesanna]: Is it broke?
[19:56:05] [General chaos]: happens
[19:56:09] [General chaos]: not broke
[19:56:13] [General chaos]: no gms heere
[19:56:15] [General chaos]: here
[19:56:21] [Mesanna]: Psst
[19:56:23] [General chaos]: i have been back
[19:56:24] [Mesanna]: two right here
[19:56:30] [General chaos]: for 3 months
[19:56:38] [General chaos]: and u guys are the first ones to see
[19:56:40] [Mesanna]: and you won't see a GM for that type of call
[19:57:06] [General chaos]: i understand people trash talk
[19:57:08] [General chaos]: its a game
[19:57:27] [General chaos]: but breaking peoples morals and stuff like ive seen
[19:57:34] [Mesanna]: General I am trying to get to the bottom of the issue here
[19:57:37] [General chaos]: uncalled for
[19:57:42] [Mesanna]: agreed
[19:57:46] [General chaos]: aye
[19:57:51] [Mesanna]: we are supposed to be adults
[19:57:58] [Mesanna]: or most of us are =)
[19:58:02] [General chaos]: i know
[19:58:27] [General chaos]: thats all i gotta say
[19:58:31] [Mesanna]: thank you
[19:58:36] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[19:58:37] [General chaos]: thank you guys
[19:59:03] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[19:59:13] [Mesanna]: hi Parnoc
[19:59:22] [Parnoc]: Good Evening
[19:59:25] [Kyronix]: Hello!
[19:59:34] [Parnoc]: i just have a comment that i think may help
[19:59:55] [Parnoc]: I feel that this was done to make the cities more visited
[20:00:02] [Parnoc]: but it has done the opposite
[20:00:07] [Parnoc]: i feel that is
[20:00:08] [Parnoc]: if
[20:00:18] [Parnoc]: the buff were decided by each citizen
[20:01:52] [Parnoc]: it would not make the person switch his city that he has been loyal to for
[20:01:56] [Parnoc]: perhaps a long time
[20:02:15] [Parnoc]: and would make much more popular the city buff and loyalty for each city
[20:02:39] [Parnoc]: that's it, thank you very much
[20:02:49] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:02:53] [Kyronix]: Thank You
[20:03:00] [Mesanna]: hi Lucent
[20:03:03] [Lucent Dreher]: Hello
[20:03:06] [Kyronix]: Hello Lucent
[20:03:10] [Lucent Dreher]: I'd like to keep this short
[20:03:14] [Lucent Dreher]: as many are waiting
[20:03:23] [Lucent Dreher]: so excuse abruptness
[20:03:35] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *nods*
[20:03:49] [Lucent Dreher]: I feel that most people do not agree that the city system is for rpers and that it is useful to
[20:03:52] [Lucent Dreher]: all
[20:04:25] [Lucent Dreher]: I also would like to know exactly what the problem on catskills was
[20:04:33] [Mesanna]: me too
[20:04:40] [Mesanna]: I have heard many things
[20:04:41] [Lucent Dreher]: The election might have been a bit heated but it couldn't be the worst
[20:04:46] [Mesanna]: but I hoped to hear it first hand
[20:04:54] [Mesanna]: but I haven't
[20:05:11] [Lucent Dreher]: Sorry that's about it
[20:05:17] [Lucent Dreher]: cya
[20:05:18] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:05:28] [Mesanna]: hi Velvathos
[20:05:36] [Mesanna]: stop
[20:05:41] [Velvathos]: Greetings!
[20:05:44] [Kyronix]: Sorry!
[20:05:46] [Kyronix]: Wrong button
[20:06:00] [Velvathos]: Interestin' look ye have there Mesanna, been bathing in charcoal again?
[20:06:15] [Velvathos]: Anyways!
[20:06:38] [Velvathos]: Onto the discussion! I believe voting
[20:06:40] [Mesanna]: you better be glad my slay button stalled out =P
[20:07:05] [Velvathos]: I believe that voting should be done once per shard somehow, like someone else suggested
[20:07:14] [Velvathos]: Tied to your house or something along the lines
[20:07:30] [Velvathos]: But I feel you should be able to use all your characters to vote to vote in multiple cities
[20:07:37] [Velvathos]: But only on one shard
[20:08:25] [Velvathos]: I believe that's all for now then..
[20:08:30] [Velvathos]: I will send you an e-mail..
[20:08:32] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:08:36] [Mesanna]: ok
[20:08:49] [Mesanna]: hi Brigantia
[20:09:05] [Brigantia]: Could we please have some way of earning lockdowns for our events? A tool with limited time set?
[20:09:19] [Brigantia]: Something that is not subject to the whims of EM's?
[20:09:28] [Brigantia]: Spread out to all the cities?
[20:09:57] [Mesanna]: For what purpose?
[20:10:02] [Brigantia]: Events
[20:10:07] [Brigantia]: to combat griefers
[20:10:16] [Brigantia]: so they dont run off with all our decor
[[20:10:22] [Brigantia]: and ruin our events
[20:10:25] [Mesanna]: you mean like the market
[20:10:33] [Mesanna]: or a crafting center
[20:10:34] [Mesanna]: etc
[20:10:36] [Brigantia]: no like the Hoopla
[20:10:45] [Brigantia]: only Governors can do it
[20:11:01] [Mesanna]: ok so Kyronix and the team have talked about this
[20:11:07] [Brigantia]: something not subject to the whim of EMs
[20:11:09] [Mesanna]: and we talked to the EM's
[20:11:37] [Brigantia]: something we can earn
[20:12:14] [Brigantia]: so its not just given out to 3 cites of 9 for example
[20:12:28] [Mesanna]: we are going to build a library of the areas
[20:12:40] [Mesanna]: that the governs can place for a limited time
[20:12:47] [Mesanna]: in specific areas
[20:12:57] [Mesanna]: but giving you the options to lock down items
[20:13:17] [Brigantia]: that will help greatly
[20:13:36] [Mesanna]: I think that will help you guys alot
[20:13:40] [Mesanna]: do the events you want to do
[20:13:47] [Mesanna]: and you can place them yourselfs
[20:13:56] [Mesanna]: and place the styles of set ups you want
[20:14:21] [Mesanna]: but thats in the future
[20:14:27] [Brigantia]: it will help with greifers and percieved favoritism
[20:14:40] [Brigantia]: i may consider running again if that is in place
[20:14:43] [Brigantia]: thank you
[20:14:50] [Mesanna]: your welcome
[20:14:52] [Mesanna]: thanks you
[20:14:55] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:15:05] [Mesanna]: Poo Poo
[20:15:09] [Mesanna]: Hi
[20:15:13] [Kyronix]: Hello
[20:15:18] [Poo Poo Undies]: Hello
[20:15:23] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: Are there any plans on the table to expand the role of the governorship...
[20:15:31] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: or to provide a purpose to encourage players to interact with their town governor?
[20:15:40] [Crystal] Poo Poo Undies says: aside from the town buff.
[20:15:46] [Kyronix]: I think people are already doing that
[20:15:50] [Kyronix]: On a number of shards
[20:16:03] [Kyronix]: It's about what you make it - we left i open ended for a reason
[20:16:06] [Poo Poo Undies]: Outside of roleplay?
[20:16:38] [Kyronix]: The main purpose is to provide a medium for interacting with events throughout the realm
[20:16:47] [Kyronix]: And bringing community leaders together and supporting them
[20:17:01] [Poo Poo Undies]: Ok. That is all I have to ask
[20:17:07] [Poo Poo Undies]: Thank you
[20:17:17] [Kyronix]: providing tools to accomplish that would be along the lines of something beyond the buff
[20:17:23] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[20:18:27] [Mesanna]: hi Aurelius
[20:18:29] [Aurelius]: Thank you for the chance to speak on Governor issues, i'll try be brief...
[20:18:56] [Aurelius]: First I agree with most of what Pandora gave as reasons againt sht one vote per account, but ald
[20:19:23] [Aurelius]: I play characters, not accounts - by all means limit the account vote to one shard,
[20:19:42] [Aurelius]: but adding another gap between the player and the characters is not a good idea...
[20:20:04] [Aurelius]: It also led to an issue where someone appeared to stand on multiple - as in about 20 - shards
[20:20:23] [Aurelius]: As they were the only opponent to most governors they challenged, people were
[20:20:46] [Aurelius]: obliged to vote for that governor - only for the 'pretender' to withdraw a ady into the elections
[20:21:02] [Aurelius]: so effectively thos people lost any opportunity for a meaningful vote
[20:21:07] [Aurelius]: on their home shard.
[20:21:29] [Aurelius]: As for Felucca, and buffs ... we do need something for the Fel people ...
[20:21:44] [Aurelius]: As it stands, the Trammel only option is causing more divisiveness between the
[20:21:57] [Aurelius]: two groups of players, hwich surely can't be the intention...
[20:22:07] [Aurelius]: A different, but parralel, system would be welcome.
[20:22:28] [Aurelius]: Regarding voting being 'politics' ... yes, it is, in part
[20:22:45] [Aurelius]: but when it's made cross shard polularity, it's not in-game, shard specific, politics,..
[20:22:52] [Aurelius]: and again, surely that is not what is intended?
[20:23:18] [Aurelius]: The other thigns I had planned to say, seem inappropriate as I had
[20:23:34] [Aurelius]: uinderstood from theforums this was a general 'Governor's issues' duiscussion ...
[20:23:51] [Aurelius]: Perhaps we can arrange such a general, not shard specific, conversation in some way?
[20:23:57] [Aurelius]: And that's about it ....
[20:24:03] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:24:09] [Aurelius]: Thank you for your time
[20:24:12] [Kyronix]: Thank you!
[20:24:27] [Mesanna]: Hi Jirel
[20:24:35] [Jirel of Joiry]: Hello mesanna plz forgive my slow typing and abbr. I hava broken arm and only one hand 4 typing
[20:24:45] [Mesanna]: Oh I am sorry
[20:24:52] [Kyronix]: Hello! And feel better
[20:24:59] [Jirel of Joiry]: I wish to ask 4 a legends meeting
[20:25:06] [Mesanna]: ok
[20:25:11] [Mesanna]: we will do one for all shards
[20:25:16] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty kyronix
[20:25:17] [Mesanna]: think its a good idea
[20:25:37] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty we have had elections probs too
[20:26:09] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty 4 both of your time
[20:26:15] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:26:16] [Kyronix]: Thank you
[20:26:27] [Jirel of Joiry]: sorry again 4 crummy typing
[20:26:32] [Kyronix]: No problem
[20:26:33] [Mesanna]: no worries
[20:26:39] [Mesanna]: dbl click the bell
[20:26:41] [Mesanna]: feel better
[20:26:48] [Jirel of Joiry]: ty mesanna
[20:26:59] [Mesanna]: hi Va'lis
[20:27:01] [Kyronix]: Hello Va'lis
[20:27:06] [Va'lis Razele]: Good evening.
[20:27:10] [Va'lis Razele]: Where to start where to start...
[20:27:27] [Va'lis Razele]: Well first...if you arent doing anything after this Mesanna...I know a lovely tavern in Nu'jelm
[20:27:39] [Va'lis Razele]: But that is besides the point
[20:27:40] [Mesanna]: asking me for a date?
[20:27:47] [Va'lis Razele]: Are you saying yes?
[20:27:59] [Mesanna]: we will talk later *winks*
[20:28:06] [Va'lis Razele]: Oh lovely.
[20:28:16] [Va'lis Razele]: Now, down to business
[20:28:27] [Va'lis Razele]: I have a few points I would like to bring up.
[20:28:38] [Va'lis Razele]: First... The griefing issues.
[20:28:53] [Va'lis Razele]: I was there for much of the final day of elections.
[20:29:16] [Va'lis Razele]: And to say it was heated well..
[20:29:35] [Va'lis Razele]: Name calling is one thing.
[20:29:46] [Va'lis Razele]: Some things were taken past that.
[20:29:50] [Va'lis Razele]: Such as this
[20:30:05] [Va'lis Razele]: One of many dropped throughout the towns
[20:30:34] [Va'lis Razele]: But.
[20:30:45] [Va'lis Razele]: People seemed very upset
[20:30:53] [Va'lis Razele]: About people using multiple accounts
[20:30:56] [Va'lis Razele]: That they pay for
[20:30:59] [Mesanna]: look at general chat please
[20:31:01] [Va'lis Razele]: To vote how they wished.
[20:31:37] [Mesanna]: Va'lis I am aware of all this and more actually
[20:31:40] [Mesanna]: but thank you
[20:31:43] [Va'lis Razele]: Ah lovely.
[20:31:50] [Va'lis Razele]: Second thing then.
[20:31:54] [Mesanna]: I did come informed
[20:32:00] [Va'lis Razele]: I am glad.
[20:32:17] [Va'lis Razele]: But...My next thing
[20:32:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Was on the topic of voting?
[20:32:44] [Va'lis Razele]: In RL, voting is restricted to those of age
[20:33:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Even gifts are restricted to those of age.
[20:33:29] [Va'lis Razele]: Why is voting not as well?
[20:33:36] [Va'lis Razele]: Just a thought.
[20:33:51] [Va'lis Razele]: And one final thing.
[20:34:02] [Mesanna]: Are you talking 30 days old?
[20:34:08] [Va'lis Razele]: 30,60,a year
[20:34:09] [Mesanna]: do you really think that would help?
[20:34:10] [Va'lis Razele]: Something
[20:34:14] [Va'lis Razele]: I think it would help
[20:34:15] [Va'lis Razele]: Yes
[20:34:23] [Va'lis Razele]: Now..I know..
[20:34:32] [Va'lis Razele]: That some would treat is they do with the gift xsharding
[20:34:39] [Va'lis Razele]: But it would help a bit.
[20:34:59] [Va'lis Razele]: I saw a few trial accounts opened
[20:35:04] [Va'lis Razele]: The young status dropped
[20:35:09] [Va'lis Razele]: Ingots donated
[20:35:12] [Va'lis Razele]: And they voted
[20:35:12] [Kyronix]: You can't vote with a trial account
[20:35:23] [Va'lis Razele]: If they purchase the 1 month game time
[20:35:23] [Mesanna]: Brutrin you there?
[20:35:24] [Va'lis Razele]: They can.
[20:35:28] [Va'lis Razele]: I have in the past done it.
[20:35:35] [Va'lis Razele]: I admit it, I have.
[20:35:42] [Va'lis Razele]: Not for the most recent election
[20:35:45] [Va'lis Razele]: But in the past.
[20:35:55] [Kyronix]: At that point they have paid for their time just as anyone has
[20:35:55] [Mesanna]: Please divorce that person please
[20:36:11] [Va'lis Razele]: Then why are gifts not allowed instantly as well?
[20:36:21] [Va'lis Razele]: Merely my thoughts on the matter in regard to voting.
[20:36:30] [Kyronix]: We appreciate the feedback
[20:36:32] [Mesanna]: tell him to just change the name please
[20:36:34] [Va'lis Razele]: Last thing
[20:36:46] [Va'lis Razele]: The whole buff issue
[20:37:11] [Va'lis Razele]: I am one that agrees , that maybe the buffs should not be tied to the governorship
[20:37:21] [Va'lis Razele]: But maybe to the guild system
[20:37:27] [Va'lis Razele]: With a guild treasury
[20:37:56] [Va'lis Razele]: After all
[20:38:04] [Va'lis Razele]: Some players have their own towns
[20:38:13] [Va'lis Razele]: Or other things
[20:38:15] [Mesanna]: thank you Va'lis that they do
[20:38:25] [Va'lis Razele]: I think that is all I have.
[20:38:33] [Mesanna]: thank you
[20:38:34] [Va'lis Razele]: And Mesanna, I will be waiting for your answer.
[20:38:37] [Crystal] Va'lis Razele says: *winks*
[20:38:40] [Crystal] Mesanna says: *grins*
