There is some way to end up in trammel as a red. I accidentally did that once long time ago. Think it was when I was killing npc vendors in trammel before they changed it or when someone counted me when I was in trammel. Normally, you're supposed to be ejected into fel. For some reason, however, I wasn't. Unfortunately, when it happened to me reds were still getting wacked by guards for simply being in the guard zone
lolSo you can stand afk at Luna bank too?
There's actually more ways than you know about. At least one. Some are fixed, then un-fixed somehow, fixed again, un-fixed again.....
If they'd exploit to get a red into Trammel just to run around, they'd probably exploit in other ways too. We shouldn't tolerate the behavior. Slippery slope and all.
Depends. If you remember that one guy from that one guild who got banned, along with his counselor friend, shortly after Trammel was opened? Once the red char was teleported to Trammel, he could PK to his heart's content. I suspect the code at that time did the easier check of prohibiting attacks if the player was blue, rather than two checks to allow if the player was green or orange.
Never said we should tolerate it, just said that I wouldn't call them griefers...
Ah, yeah, I remember that bit of chaos. I would hope that code was fixed from that episode
Not everyone wants to play Siege.
#orcAs you and I have just discussed privately, at least one of the ways (I have no way of knowing if it's one of your three or not) periodically is un-fixed.
Who was saying that people should play Siege?
That event where reds got into trammel and started pking people seems to be an old and isolated incident (as far as I know). I haven't heard of anyone doing that since and yet exploits that get reds into trammel are still around. Because of that, I would assume that part of the code was fixed to prevent pking in trammel.
he cant lol, you cant attack others because you are red, you can attack others ebcause you are in a fel ruleset.. which luna is not.
That was the one I was referring to.
That's exactly what had happened to me. However, I was in a bit of a pickle. I was on one of the islands in Jhelom where the bulls/cows were (where people trained taming) and had no way of getting out of there without running through the city. At that time, reds got guard wacked for just being in the guard zone. Since I had no boat on me, I tried paging a GM. Luckily, they ported me to the fel chaos shrine, saving my butt from those evil guards.
I think performing any actions will expell you, cant tell it for certain - But I had it happend too once, and i was just sitting still (got one count while i was in trammel) - once i moved i got expelled.
Sorry but I don't recall this ever being the case, and I've been in Tram and Luna with red chars on normal ruleset shards several years back. The code seems to just not take into account the red flag entirely, making everyone technically blue by default. I was never able to attack anyone or do anything a blue cannot. It was the first thing I tried!
Not necessarily. Please see my replies about when a red went to Trammel in its early days, and the code didn't prevent him from attacking, because the Devs didn't consider that possibility in their code. So I justifiably have the concern that there are undiscovered bugs that would allow a red to attack blues, especially when someone's identified this red as a known exploiter. What if something as simple as animal form makes a person vulnerable?
