Randomized Ore Veins

[Lady Arwen]

Are the ore veins still randomized? If so, about how often do they change? I marked a few runes to some veins a good 2-3 weeks ago and recalled to them today, and they are still the same.
Any info appreciated, thanks!

 

[Tjalle]

I think the number of times you have to empty the vein for it to spawn a new one is random.

 

[Lady Storm]

Was once told that the vein of ore change depends on type and the set limit of how much that color allows mined up...
Sad to say 90% of all the ore types over bronze change rather quickly.
I have yet to get a spot that changes from a high color ore to irom to change back to any other ore.
I have mined one cave spot for years and after most of its spots went to producing just iron nothing changes.
Thats why i am relying on the ore carts for val and verite.
I have complained on Stratics for years to deaf ears at Dev hq

 

[BeaIank]

The randomized ore veins and randomized log colour also hurt newbies pretty badly.
It is extremely hard for someone who just started to play to get copper, bronze, agapite, verite or valorite to fill bods.

Shadow iron can be easily gotten by killing orc brutes and now thanks to the evil, just and fair Lord Blackthorn, golden ingots are easy to come by.
Anything else is nigh impossible to get in decent quantities by actually mining.

 

[Lady Arwen]

I understand this system was first implemented to try to stop scripters, but it seems like it wouldn't bother scripters at all and it just hurts those of us who are mining the right way? If you're scripting, why would you care if they are randomized? They aren't there anyway, they're out walking their dog, getting lunch, or what have you, while the script stacks up thousands of ingots.
However, if you're doing it the right way, as said above, its nearly impossible to find high end ore. So why is this system still in place?

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

It will randomly spawn a new ore type if you deplete the ore spot in rapid successions. They are more likely to spawn to iron or lower ore types. I think deplete it twice in fifteen minutes and on the third it will be a new ore spawn. Do some testing. I actually haven't mined or chopped wood in a long time to remember the specific times.

-Lorax

 

[Lady Storm]

While i have not mined like I use to for hours on end in a long time I do remember how it use to go. Before they atempted to stop scripting... ore changed to the level of the miner who started it... at least that was what a GM explained to me. Now however if say you find a aggapite spot and you mine it out there is a good chance instead of it bumping up to verite it will change to a random ore and i bet my bottom dollar it will be iron 75 to 90 % of the time.

I use to have books of ore locations you knew where to get what and it made it somewhat easer to mine up what is required... yes you had others who would get ot it first but at least you knew it was there and just have to get in when you could. The same with wood... the frostwood was so hard to get even before they shifted it.. 9 chances out of 10 it was in fel and known by just about every red out there...

A GM once told me iron spots change too but I doubt it... as i said before i mined this one spot to see if i could bump it up day apon day i mined for hours in my cave...... not once did a spot that changed to iron from another color change back to ANY other color but iron....

I would like to see it go back to the old way. Look we are so far gone that any scripters out there are not going away... and as has been stated younger players have little chance to get the higher up ores...

heck its even hard to get a val ele up.... using all the boost equipment!(the gar pick and hammer) as the lower pockets of ore are getting hard to find too.

 

[Dag Nabbit]

Many times,when I have needed DC,shadow,and bronze to fill some bods,I would not go mining for the ore. I would instead use my fighter,with 5 packies in tow,to farm ant lions.Just drop a green thorn on a beach and your ready to go.Because the ant lions only drop the colored ore,you can bring home a huge lot of what you need without bothering with iron ore that weighs down the packs.

 

[Lady Storm]

Yup and the ants will dig up what ever is in the ant area.. also the mine with the ore ele's DC and Shadow ... shame has a few too now..

The pick an hammer can up you 2 lvls but finding the bronze or agga is iffy at best.. and there is always the chance of an ele .... for a younger player who has not the exp to kill one this can be tricky....

Then you have the loss to deal with when you smelt it... yes i know you can get a 100% thing but not EVERYONE can get them... Unless the Dev do a bit of reward bod menu item changes ... this might be a high end add in for that ... but dont hold your breath....

 

[Tina Small]

Don't forget about the mining-related rewards you can get from Vela in Cove for participating in battles in Covetous dungeon. There's a nice list of Vela's rewards here: http://uo2.stratics.com/dungeon-guides/covetous-dungeon-revamp-a-guided-tour/vela-the-sorceress .

 

[Uriah Heep]

The way I see it, this change was a huge mistake. The average player who can hop on for a couple of hours a day will spend forever getting enough of one color ore to make it worthwhile...Meanwhile, the scripters are still running 24/7. So actually, this change benefitted the scripters, because now, instead of mining our ore, a lot of people have to buy it to avoid making a rl career out of UO mining :/ Makes no sense to me why they won't switch it back after watching it fail, this will eventually end up being one skill that is totally scripted.

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

I stopped chopping trees and mining with the nerf. The lame part is most of my friends that I met 15 years ago were from chopping trees and mining. We would chop tree lines together talking about things until happening upon a Liche Lord camp. That was how I got my role to protect forest travelers or miners in caves. Used to protect miners in the caves from pk's. I changed from a lumberjack to an archer to protect others.

Now I use mining carts from my arm chair or tree stumps and buy what I don't have in plenty. Hated the change and the fact vet rewards were needed to fix a broken crafting system.

I don't recall if there were specific iron vs special ore tiles or veins.

-Lorax

 

[The Zog historian]

The way I see it, this change was a huge mistake. The average player who can hop on for a couple of hours a day will spend forever getting enough of one color ore to make it worthwhile...Meanwhile, the scripters are still running 24/7. So actually, this change benefitted the scripters, because now, instead of mining our ore, a lot of people have to buy it to avoid making a rl career out of UO mining :/ Makes no sense to me why they won't switch it back after watching it fail, this will eventually end up being one skill that is totally scripted.

Exactly right. That's what some of us said when this change was implemented, and other things like the delay in turning in BODs. Scripters were impacted, certainly, but legitimate players were impacted with far worse effect.

 

[BeaIank]

Don't forget about the mining-related rewards you can get from Vela in Cove for participating in battles in Covetous dungeon. There's a nice list of Vela's rewards here: http://uo2.stratics.com/dungeon-guides/covetous-dungeon-revamp-a-guided-tour/vela-the-sorceress .

The cauldrons are useful. I have been using the golden one to get agapite quite often lately.
But the maps are worthless. They cost too many points and will give your about 240 to 250 ore of the colour you selected. That is up to 500 ingots... if you don't fail to smelt any...

 

[Frarc]

Maps from Void pool points! Pure ore color from those veins 250-300 ore a spot! Love them!

 

[Petra Fyde]

I have also used the Thepem and Zosilem quests
"All that Glitters" gives an elixir to turn 500 dull copper into 500 gold
"Pink is the New Black" gives an elixir to turn 500 shadow into 500 agapite
"To Turn Base Metal Into Verite" gives an elixir to turn 500 copper into 500 verite
"Pure Valorite" gives an elixir to turn 500 bronze into 500 valorite
Less useful is "Metal Head" since the results are random.

 

[Lady Storm]

There is only one thing wrong... void pool play has stopped on many shards... we just dont have the people

 

[BeaIank]

I tend to do it solo with a dexxer.
Usually get between 23 to 29 points per run, or up to 44 when I get lucky with a single run and make it to waves 20+.
It is doable for lower point rewards... but not for those that cost 1000 points or more.

 

[Tina Small]

There is only one thing wrong... void pool play has stopped on many shards... we just dont have the people

I'm not so sure that the void pool is not being used because there aren't enough people still playing. I suspect the lack of participation there may have a whole lot more to do with the rewards themselves. For myself, I would probably try to get the rewards from Vela if they didn't have such a short lifespan or if they had no lifespan on them at all and just got used up if and when you actually put them to use. As they are now, it's really hard for me to justify putting in the effort and time to rack up the points to claim rewards that might go poof before I've completely used them if real life intervenes. More people might try to get them, as well, if they lasted longer and could be sold to other players on player-run vendors.

 

[Lord Kotan]

The randomized ore veins and randomized log colour also hurt newbies pretty badly.
It is extremely hard for someone who just started to play to get copper, bronze, agapite, verite or valorite to fill bods.

Shadow iron can be easily gotten by killing orc brutes and now thanks to the evil, just and fair Lord Blackthorn, golden ingots are easy to come by.
Anything else is nigh impossible to get in decent quantities by actually mining.

maybe not the best way.. but we can transmut ingots with the Void pool.. but be nice if it didn't take so many ties to get one of the transmuters

 

[Lady Storm]

I have to agree with tina...
Though i would have liked the non fighter way to get the same items .. not all of us like to fight for hours or have the time to do so.
I have one friend who plays about 1 hour a week if she is lucky, her hubby is lucky if he has time period to get on... work and home chores are top concern.. by the time he gets in the house he is bone tired and starving... Game time is measured in minutes not hours!
And the Dev and you wonder why there was a market for ore and ingots from the scripters? .... this has been the prime reason.
These people are not alone, some just dont want to go through hours and hours of fighting just for 500 ingots!

I am sorry.... i digress
We do need to revert back to the old ore staying put in one spot, wipe the spots and tell the gm miners have at it to discover the ore types.. that was how it was done in the old days.
oh how i wish my mining books were back to use!

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Then you have the loss to deal with when you smelt it... yes i know you can get a 100% thing but not EVERYONE can get them....

What is the 100 percent thing? I hate it when my 105 miner loses her hard earned valorite when smelting it.



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[Lady Storm]

Yadd there is a item you get for points from killing in the void pool.... it is a super hastle and takes time.....
I have had many a gm miner and have found some smelt rate is different... a gm once told me it had to do when yoru character was made and some other thigs went into the mix but I can say I do have 2 of the group i have that hardly miss when smelting high ore... not always but enough that i have them do all the ore and just mine with the rest...

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Interesting fact about not all gm miners are equal. Any idea what factors might improve the smelt rate on a fire beetle?

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[Lady Arwen]

I have also used the Thepem and Zosilem quests
"All that Glitters" gives an elixir to turn 500 dull copper into 500 gold
"Pink is the New Black" gives an elixir to turn 500 shadow into 500 agapite
"To Turn Base Metal Into Verite" gives an elixir to turn 500 copper into 500 verite
"Pure Valorite" gives an elixir to turn 500 bronze into 500 valorite
Less useful is "Metal Head" since the results are random.

Thanks!! Had no idea about these quests..its been a while since I've played. Very helpful.

 

[Lady Arwen]

Maps from Void pool points! Pure ore color from those veins 250-300 ore a spot! Love them!

Do the charges on the map deplete each time you mine up ore, or each time you use it to FIND and ore vein?? I've been thinking about getting one, but I've been hearing mixed things about them.

 

[BeaIank]

Do the charges on the map deplete each time you mine up ore, or each time you use it to FIND and ore vein?? I've been thinking about getting one, but I've been hearing mixed things about them.

They deplete one charge each time you mine ore on the spot the map shows to you.
For each charge, you will get one large ore that smelt into 2 ingots. With the number of charges being between 240 to 250, you will get up to 500 ingots if you're elf/gargoyle or maybe up to 600 ingots if you're human (humans have a small change of mining one extra ore per mining attempt).

 

[Frarc]

I also save my ore to melt till I have enough to get a talismann to melt ore at 100% sucess chance.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Interesting fact about not all gm miners are equal. Any idea what factors might improve the smelt rate on a fire beetle?

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Can look at it as "more is better". Strip mining with a firebeetle and not wasting time recalling about. Use a combat miner with prospector and goyl picks instead of a recall mage. Earth Eli slayer weapon. There is a great spread of ore along mountains north of the Ish pixie treefort. They like to help on those paragon valorite eli spawns.

I was the only combat miner goyl pick slinger at an EM mining run event. Yes I won the event. I was not told my score in points. They broke later and said my score was greater then 2-5 place combined. Been a few years and not one mining event held again.

While we are on the mining again. For the love of the UO god's sake. Add dull copper eli to the goyl pick spawning and put 25 ore on them instead of 2. Look at the BOD reward list for all that is dull copper and realize there is no excuse not to make this so.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Good suggestions on getting more or quicker. Lady Storm seemed to be saying that some GM miners have a consistently higher smelt rate than other GM miners. If this is so, I was wondering what factors that I have any control over might account for that.

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[Lady Storm]

Good luck on that Warpig Inc.... please dont hold your breath....

As for the difference's on gm miners had something to do with the time of day, what and who was on the shard, the GM said each character had a percentages roll when made...

Some didnt get a big %.. so fail alot... others hit jack pot on the roll and are way better... My Amesa... she smelts ore like no other character... her fail rate is not high. She is the only one i trust to do the val ore.. oh dont take it that she dont miss... she does but I have a better outcome with her then most of my miners... another is Longfellow.. he has not done too badly at it as well but not as well as Amesa. Now they are on the same account... dont know if that has anything to do with it ether... though Amesa was created at the dawn of UO and Longfellow was created at the first day of Origin shard...

I have another gm miner I wouldnt give 2 pennys for in the smelting department.... digging he is fine..... smelting he is damn worthless... so go figure.

Even with all the "quest" junk the dev have pawned off to keep many from yipping I still want the ore spots back..... and dont get me started on the trees....

 

[Warpig Inc]

More is pulling up 200 ore and having half of it maybe lost. Or finding and digging up 100 ore and going out of your way to avoid loss. Being an elf vs human miner. Human pulls up more ore a swing vs an elf having better chance that pick swing isn't hitting iron as much. My combat miner is human.

If it is about pulling up higher ores in mass to turn in at the library. Then it comes down to time spent on the effort. And how much you value your time. Scripters sell the reward items cheep. Then it is about morals having a much greater value then time. To many with cheep morals supported the scripters and the game is in the state it is in for that reason.

There was also a time when the added +5 from the ring gloves stuck and compiled through logging or something. There was miners out there with 120ish mining. It was a short time effect most didn't realize was happening. And I think their fix was miners only can show a max skill of 105. And a rare few miners still have that ghost higher mining still there.

 

[Lady Storm]

With all my accounts You have to understand I have a great deal of miners at my fignertips per shard... one time i counted i had 35 miners on one shard to choose from!
I have never found much in the way of method of smelting that increased the ingot output.... or chances ther eof that made one miner more over then another...
Amesa, Longfellow, Velvet, and a few others are my go to smelters.. depending on shards the rest of the miners i use I let the ore sit in the smelting box and the good ones do it.

Well while you have a point on the scripters selling cheaply I might point out that some of the purchasers of said ill gotten gain do so for more varied reasons other then to hurt UO's ecconomy. Time versus the hunting for the right color ore have got to be taken into account.. As was said just try to do a handfull of Dull Copper bods.... unless you can devote hours on end to mine it all up.. or hunt the ele's for it... or have a ton of ore carts and stored the ore like a squirrl does his nuts..... you are not doing many bods.

It's why so many players had libarys filled with ore spot books..on damn near every shard.
We didnt have time to go willy nilly to get what we need so the scritpers are making out..

I hate to say it but the dev did it wrong.... instead of making it harder to wipe out the scripters they should have increased the ore output and sucess rate at smelting... no one would have bought a bit from them if they could get it their selves....

 

[Warpig Inc]

We agree on the dull copper. Shame should of had some enraged dull copper eli in the old 2nd level traps room. 25 ore as loot. If it wasn't for the carts I'd never have dull copper enough to fill a shield or helmet BOD. Combat miner with prospector and goyl pick only sees dull as a first swing on a dull location. All Iron spots are shadow and I end up with more valorite then I need for crafting.

Also an old thought. Where is the Elemental class champ spawn we asked for? Would be nice to start a day of mining with an Ish check for any champ spawns that are elemental. Work it up and let it cool. Repete. There are plenty of different level eli spawn. The mechanics for champs is already there. Only brainstorm would be the fitting champ, Rimm Nack vs Tim Tailor. Remember the elemental invasion of Minoc? Good times.

 

[Petra Fyde]

. Combat miner with prospector and goyl pick only sees dull as a first swing on a dull location. All Iron spots are shadow and I end up with more valorite then I need for crafting.

put the prospector tool down - then all iron spots are dull with a garg pick.

 

[Warpig Inc]

put the prospector tool down - then all iron spots are dull with a garg pick.

Should be the other way around. Why waste a goyl pick on an ore that will never spawn an eli when a prospector will do.. The reason dull should be easier to get in mass instead of gold ingots is the rewards that line of BODs offer. As a vet player that lack of dull doesn't bother me. And I enjoy supporting a gold sink like bribery. Dull for a starting smith/miner is more an issue. And thanks to overmining of fel cove most locations are low end. I have a need for dull I go there with a prospector tool.

As far as the higher end ores. For old school combat strip miners the ore randomizing never slowed us down. And we enjoy the extra free space of not needing a library section dedicated to mining runebook spots.

 

[Petra Fyde]

well yes, I would just use the prospector tool, but I thought you prefered the combat. Sorry for misunderstanding.

 

[Lady Storm]

Ah but I enjoyed the reds trying to stalk my ore piles in fel...... they were endless fun for my pet to chase and eat.....

 

[Warpig Inc]

well yes, I would just use the prospector tool, but I thought you prefered the combat. Sorry for misunderstanding.

In reference to getting more Dull. There is no Dull Eli spawning with the gargoyle pickaxe. Why I have a macro for shovel. For the locations that I know turn out a load of ore I'll just finnish it out with shovel instead of pick. The only mining runes I have in a book are for locations of iron and dull that have 30+ dig hits. Been asking for a Dull Eli spawn change from back to the days of the Excuvator Pickaxe. For the IDOCers out there. Theese old picks got retitled as just a Pickaxe (yellow title lettering) with the Gargoyle Pickaxe as the second line (white lettering). And came in both S&E facing