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Petition: Please fix the Daemonic Crisis Vanq and other items...

Decadence

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So as a few people have mentioned, one of my favorite rares is ruined. I do not know if this was intentional, or not, but I loved the Daemonic Crisis Vanquisher. I loved how I could carry it in my backpack and burst into flames. I loved how it could work on a stealther, and you could surprise people with it. Now, the item no longer works in the backpack, and must be locked down. It is my understanding that they also did this for other items, flames, and sparkleys etc.

When I buy a rare, I think I know exactly what I'm getting. For these rares to be suddenly changed on us leaves me pretty upset. They have devalued items that have been out there for years.

Please petition with me, and try to get the devs to respond on this.


Thank you,
Lady Decadence
 
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You might want to e-mail Mesanna about this rather than make a post on the forums. This is an EM event item and not a normal part of the game. Maybe she can fix your item personally while figuring out what happened to change them.

Devs are not responsible for EM items. These em items are made with GM powers [aka: made by Mesanna herself]

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Voodoo Bad Mojo

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why should this rare be safe when most others have been killed over the years?

there was a threshold crossed a couple years ago when they started to kill off the rares and its just been a steeper and steeper fall since then. if there should have been a stand taken it should have been back then, to do it now just because it effects YOUR rare.... well that's just not right. The simple fact that you should have something in game that i don't is unfair, in this the time of no losers and no 2nd place people, if one person has one then we all should have them. isn't that what the consensus i heard last week?

hell, lets release this on the Clean up Brit turn in!!!
 
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Voodoo Bad Mojo said:
why should this rare be safe when most others have been killed over the years?

there was a threshold crossed a couple years ago when they started to kill off the rares and its just been a steeper and steeper fall since then. if there should have been a stand taken it should have been back then, to do it now just because it effects YOUR rare.... well that's just not right. The simple fact that you should have something in game that i don't is unfair, in this the time of no losers and no 2nd place people, if one person has one then we all should have them. isn't that what the consensus i heard last week?

hell, lets release this on the Clean up Brit turn in!!!
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Actually this doesn't just effect MYYY Rare, it effects a lot of peoples rares.. plural, rares that flame up and sparkle and smoke etc...

And I didn't take a stand years ago because I was busy playing DAOC Anarchy Online then WOW ^_^

Also, I had something effect MYYY rare, and didn't bother petitioning even though I was really upset, because it didn't effect tons of people...
The put out the Formosa and hokuto lantern, and killed a very rare hued lantern. But this is bigger than just MY and 3 others lanterns now...

And also the thing I love about UO is that everyone has the chance to get things, they just have to work hard at the em events or save gold, this isn't like WOW where only the end game DKP guilds get the drops and then they are soulbound, including important crafting patterns...
 
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Voodoo Bad Mojo said:
why should this rare be safe when most others have been killed over the years?

there was a threshold crossed a couple years ago when they started to kill off the rares and its just been a steeper and steeper fall since then. if there should have been a stand taken it should have been back then, to do it now just because it effects YOUR rare.... well that's just not right. The simple fact that you should have something in game that i don't is unfair, in this the time of no losers and no 2nd place people, if one person has one then we all should have them. isn't that what the consensus i heard last week?

hell, lets release this on the Clean up Brit turn in!!!
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Just my two cents but I personally do not have any of the rares in question i just believe it should be fixxed. These rares were given out with a specific funtionality and with no warning were changed. Thats not fair to the people who own them I know i woud be heart broken if after ANY amount of time something was just implemented that changed something i personally earned or bought. Maybe a stand should've been taken back that ethier way that can not be changed now, but one is bein taken right now if you dont want to be apart of it fine then move along you do not need to critisize it and assume this is being done because of one persons (or a small group of peoples) rare.

OOPS i lied it does affect me too ( just tried my three items)
 
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Look at the bright side, you can always lock it down next to you're devalueted luck 140 robe.
hehe sorry could't help it :)
Tbh, lets hear what the devs have to say, maby the statues wernt designed to be used from a backpack...i donno..
 
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I agree it sucks but no real reason to change it.

Anyone that has played UO for a long time should fully understand that things change quite often. Some for good reason, some for apparently no reason.
I have had amazingly valuable pvp weapons go from being worth 200 million gold to nothing in the blink of a patch.
Rares especially should not be exempt from these fluctuations as they are generally not even useable and are market items.
Markets change. Markets can and should be volatile as they are a potential source of gigantic income.

And in the case of the crisis statue I think that you should consider yourself lucky as I doubt it has drastically changed its value. It is still rare and still just as hard to obtain so it will always have a lot of value.
 
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markets dont change! the buyers and sellers influance the changes. It is based on many agenda's but none of which is influenced by the system it self. Now yall can go around acting smart or making excusess, any changes should be spelled out plain words what is and will happen to any in game event, items, ect. They owe you this information. You are the customer, period. Grainted Uo has been on this agenda to devalue past items, that in most cases took much time to achieve. They ruined this game will all the bing bling, but this is the way the game is now. There use to be a time when rares were fun, now it should be called pump and dump. To quoate a old song by kenny rodgers," you got to know when to hold 'em; know when to fold em, know when to walk away - know when to run".
 
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Zane_Xander said:
markets dont change! the buyers and sellers influance the changes. It is based on many agenda's but none of which is influenced by the system it self. Now yall can go around acting smart or making excusess, any changes should be spelled out plain words what is and will happen to any in game event, items, ect. They owe you this information. You are the customer, period. Grainted Uo has been on this agenda to devalue past items, that in most cases took much time to achieve. They ruined this game will all the bing bling, but this is the way the game is now. There use to be a time when rares were fun, now it should be called pump and dump. To quoate a old song by kenny rodgers," you got to know when to hold 'em; know when to fold em, know when to walk away - know when to run".
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Lmao.

They don't owe you anything except the world to play in when you log on. Have you ever read TOS?

Every aspect of the game has changed and re-changed drastically since day one. They most certainly do not have to spell anything out.

Rares were fun? Rares were never anything but dubiously obtained special items that were bought and sold for ridiculous prices that sometimes altered entire economies. Items that were quite often obtained because of nothing more then GM favoritism.

Rares have also been the biggest source of scamming and duping.
So please spare me your silly spelled out in plain words, customer service argument.

You want to collect rares and deal rares because there are huge profits to be made? That's fine but you better be prepared to get burned once in awhile. That's the nature of playing markets.
 
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Goldberg-Chessy said:
Lmao.

They don't owe you anything except the world to play in when you log on. Have you ever read TOS?

Every aspect of the game has changed and re-changed drastically since day one. They most certainly do not have to spell anything out.

Rares were fun? Rares were never anything but dubiously obtained special items that were bought and sold for ridiculous prices that sometimes altered entire economies. Items that were quite often obtained because of nothing more then GM favoritism.

Rares have also been the biggest source of scamming and duping.
So please spare me your silly spelled out in plain words, customer service argument.

You want to collect rares and deal rares because there are huge profits to be made? That's fine but you better be prepared to get burned once in awhile. That's the nature of playing markets.
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:next:

Don't see what the big deal is in the request. When there is a change to a template, PVP style, Factions, Dungeons, I could go on forever here.

Many times there is a request to fix something that might have been changed. Sometimes the request is granted.

Rares collecting and trading is a valid playstyle just like anything else in the game.
 
Smoot

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I will Sign... on the condition that it continues to give the flamestrike while locked down as well. i might make some enemies... but i have to confess i prefer the vanquisher working while its locked down / displayed in a house. Having both would of course be ideal.
 
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Goldberg-Chessy said:
I agree it sucks but no real reason to change it.

Anyone that has played UO for a long time should fully understand that things change quite often. Some for good reason, some for apparently no reason.
I have had amazingly valuable pvp weapons go from being worth 200 million gold to nothing in the blink of a patch.
Rares especially should not be exempt from these fluctuations as they are generally not even useable and are market items.
Markets change. Markets can and should be volatile as they are a potential source of gigantic income.

And in the case of the crisis statue I think that you should consider yourself lucky as I doubt it has drastically changed its value. It is still rare and still just as hard to obtain so it will always have a lot of value.
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You're talking about items' value in terms of gold, though. That's just supply and demand. Once upon a time, my friend's silver heavy crossbow of power was worth 25K.

With these rares, the complaint isn't a loss in value, but a loss in functionality. A more apt comparison is hit lightning no longer working on, say, non-metal weapons, or the UO luck statue setting a character to zero.
 
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The Zog historian said:
You're talking about items' value in terms of gold, though. That's just supply and demand. Once upon a time, my friend's silver heavy crossbow of power was worth 25K.

With these rares, the complaint isn't a loss in value, but a loss in functionality. A more apt comparison is hit lightning no longer working on, say, non-metal weapons, or the UO luck statue setting a character to zero.
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"They have devalued items that have been out there for years"

Sorry to disagree with you but that is the OP's own quote.
 
Decadence

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Goldberg-Chessy said:
"They have devalued items that have been out there for years"

Sorry to disagree with you but that is the OP's own quote.
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Dear Mr. Goldberg,
As stated this is a one of my favorite items ruined... The fun is taken out of it. Value has many meanings including but not limitted to monetary.

Now I have always had respect for you as a player. That being said, we are asking for these items to do what they have been doing for years and how they have affected our gameplay without it. As a paying gamer we have the right to do so.

Please respect that and create your own pancake thread about rares.

Thank you and best regards,
Lady Decadence
 
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Agreed. While you're at it please fix the barnicles. They are supposed to do something but no one knows what! lol
 
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i have an object from an em event that makes you sparkle when you click on it..
unfortunately you cant insure it, so you cant do much with it :(

not even sure it works now.. ill have to check it out.
 
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Goldberg-Chessy said:
"They have devalued items that have been out there for years"

Sorry to disagree with you but that is the OP's own quote.
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No apologies necessary. :) I didn't see that part of the first post, and it's true that's almost certainly a reference to money. To me, "value" is about usability, and something I acquired that no longer "works" as it originally did is no longer as valuable. It also applies, though, when someone pays a lot because a statue does something, instead of sitting pretty, that's a lot of lost value.
 
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I am no fan of EM event items at the best of times they are all manufactured rares in my opinion. After we have had events on Europa all people are interested in is 'what was the drop' etc. This is immediately followed by '30 mill for 'The Golden Hair from King Zog's wart'. For Gods sake the damn thing didn't exist 10 minutes ago and suddenly people are willing to pay millions for it!. Well I am not one of them, if I get an event item ,fine , and I do have a few ,but if I don't that is fine too. I don't go to events for the sole purpose of obtaining one of these instant rares'. Any I do get remind me of the event which is what they should be for.

Having said all that I do have a few rares, true rares that is, server births and the like. But strangely enough most of that type of thing don't burst into flames or do something spectacular when you click on them, in fact I cannot think of one that does much except be what it is, usually deco.

As has been said event items are made by the EMs not the Devs and as they are therefore shard specific and NOT AVAILABLE to all players I don't think they should be treated as anything special. If they do something when made which a subsequent publish changes then tough. Why should the Devs spend time on something created by EMS rather than on things which affect EVERYONE. One thing they are not short of is things which fall into that category.

I would pay good money for a spittoon which will never do anything other than be a spittoon but I don't give a damn about items specifically made for events and I wont ever be buying them.

Looking at the earlier posts I can see that mine is not the popular opinion but I have felt this for a long time about events and event items.
 
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in response to all the above posts talking about value of rares ruining the economy and all that, I just read through this entire thing and didn't see a single person that signed the petition say a word about the value of the item being damaged by this change, we can deal with an item being worth less, and we have many....many...many times in the past we simply want one of our favorite items to work "correctly" as it did before, I personally would still love this item if it actually were a monster drop or cleanup item. people don't buy rares because they are rares (usually) they buy the rares because it is an item that they like, whether there is only one in the game, or if 500 dropped. For example, lets say you have an awesome waterfront castle in the best area possible, lets say its worth 10 billion gold, if people find a better castle and yours is now only worth 5 billion, are you going to sell it and leave? no, because you still enjoy your castle. However, what if the game randomly changed and now you were not allowed to lock any items down in your perfect castle, would that make you want to move out? probably.
 
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It could come back. my chaos void was static for about 6 months but recently started working again. just saying. i would hate for a "fix" to be implemented and have it backfire, making all items that you can click to "do something" while locked down only work in pack. you know how it is. "fixes" in uo unfortunately often break more than they fix. if it can be done carefully and well tho, yes id love the statue to work in pack as well as locked down.
 
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signed, just checked my Self-Immolating Secret Notes and they no longer work. I had so much much fun with those when I got them.
 
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To the trolls latching on to someone being dismayed about the price of their EM pixels, just stop. The majority of us want this BUG fixed because we liked making sparkles/flames/smoke around our characters for whatever reason and this is why we want the items fixed.

Since there was no line in the adjustments patch dealing with EM items with active FX, this is a bug. Stop trolling, your bridges are lonely.
 
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Bobar said:
I am no fan of EM event items at the best of times they are all manufactured rares in my opinion. After we have had events on Europa all people are interested in is 'what was the drop' etc. This is immediately followed by '30 mill for 'The Golden Hair from King Zog's wart'.
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I keep telling people, it's a mole, not a wart! :p And more flaxen than gold.
 
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