So what did your governor accomplish?

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Why add governors to begin with? So that RP types can have a "true" hierarchy. Most of the serious one already had this in their plots and player run towns, this is only supposed to be an extension of that imo.

Why should something like being able to adjust or place a town crier should be limited cause of the lowest denominator of player? I would theorize that it would be difficult to remove Town Criers but a packy with a communication crystal in it (which serves the same purpose) could be removed (or jailed) easily by the GM's.

 

[Flutter]

You are Solus of Atlantic, the Governor of Britain, correct? Were you the one who paraded 30+ accounts in front of the Britain stone? I remember your name being thrown around as a threat by a person named Tatiana on Atlantic, as well as a generic named person in general chat on Great Lakes saying you were promising up to 50 votes to match on any other shard that voted for the preferred candidate of your choice on Atlantic. None of these people were named Solus that made these threats or offers, but thought you might want to be aware of that.

This is so not true it's ludicrous. When that group of characters showed up Solus actually thought they were all voting against him.
He ICQ'd me to ask me to come see all these people voting anti-Solus. He didn't even know they were voting for him. So to say they were him is so silly and ignorant I can't even tell you.
And politicians can promise you the world. That's the way it works. I promise you a chicken in every pot and a car in every driveway. I promise low taxes and jobs! Doesn't always happen. Umm.. daresay never happens? Still political promises are what it's all about.

I play multiple shards. Fully developed characters in guilds from role play to pvp. Some know who I am on every character. Most don't. I can tell you there was one big problem on Atlantic but it wasn't from Solus. It came out of Yew. So spout your nonsense elsewhere.


Signed,
Someone who was accused of "hacking the vote stones" on Catskills because she had more friends than the competition.

 

[Dot_Warner]

On this specific topic.... I will agree people are lazy, and a lot will very seldom if ever check a board in game. But, there are ways around that. The last I checked Communication Crystals placed inside a Packy will still allow a person to broadcast as if it is a herald. Have not checked in a while so someone please correct me if I am wrong.

When it comes to a specific chat channel... ummm, the power to do that already exists in the chat we have. Create your own channel, name if whatever city name you wish and roll from there...

Yes you can broadcast with a crystal in a packy, the newish farspeekers have a specific setting for being in a container. We've used this before, but it has a few limitations and is probably far more abuse prone than a crier message.

While yes, someone could have a crier say something horrible, the list of suspects for such a violation would be vanishingly small and relatively easy to deal with. that handy ToS document we all agree to when we sign up or update our accounts has provisions for punishment. I, for one, would love to see it enforced. Enforced at EM events, enforced in general chat, enforced well..at all really.

If people still worry about seeing something that might damage them, place the shard's EM's in charge of moderating what gets displayed. No crier shouts anything until an EM deems it acceptable. With only 9 governors, the percentage who use them most likely won't overburden the EMs.

 

[Promathia]

I honestly think some of you don't understand how some of the systems in this game work.

 

[Dot_Warner]

Then you are living in wonderland.

I fully admit that such a system could potentially be abused, but let's not hide under our covers because something bad could happen. Griefing can be mitigated with proper limits on any abilities.

There are already provisions in the governor system to remove a governor who behaves poorly.

But let's try to not paint everyone with the broad brush of malfeasance just because we can.

 

[Jerec KTM]

I honestly think some of you don't understand how some of the systems in this game work.

Thank you for clearing up you weren't really involved with the woman using your name in Skara Brae.

However, can you tell me since you are a big Atlantic player, do you feel if it is fair that Atlantic has all of this deco and the other shards can't? I enjoy them when I am playing my guys on Atlantic, so I don't want to lose them, but I can understand where people on the other shards look and see hypocrisy that they can't have even a portion of what another shard has in such abundant supply.

 

[AppleJax]

Post your events on the Stratics shard boards. No coding or changes needed for that.

 

[Promathia]

However, can you tell me since you are a big Atlantic player, do you feel if it is fair that Atlantic has all of this deco and the other shards can't?.

Exactly what Deco do we have? The guards in Britain are there because I weaved my cities RP with the storyline the EM had.

Perhaps if you guys do the same....

 

[Dot_Warner]

Why add governors to begin with? So that RP types can have a "true" hierarchy. Most of the serious one already had this in their plots and player run towns, this is only supposed to be an extension of that imo.

Why should something like being able to adjust or place a town crier should be limited cause of the lowest denominator of player? I would theorize that it would be difficult to remove Town Criers but a packy with a communication crystal in it (which serves the same purpose) could be removed (or jailed) easily by the GM's.

Many shards (GL, LS, etc) had such a hierarchy long before this system was proposed, usually in the form of a High Council. Many claimed to derive power from Lord British, or said they formed to fill the void after his departure. The governor system is little different, other than the fact the King is directly involved. Being an RPer, I know that there are some of us who don't care about the system as political RP isn't their cup of tea.

To the rank and file UO player, most of which aren't RPers, this system currently provides (them) nothing. It does nothing to enhance their play, nor does anything to entice them via PvE. Events run by a governor are constrained exactly the same as events run by any other player. Aside from providing RP for a minority, the system currently provides nothing for the masses (Trade Deals are just a fish pie away). Its basically just a popularity contest with political trappings.

If you're going to worry about the "lowest common denominator" offending your sensibilities, remain in office or campaign harder. UO has a lot of mental kiddies, but wanting to tie everyone's hands just to prevent them from possibly abusing something is depressingly defeatist.

 

[AppleJax]

Many shards (GL, LS, etc) had such a hierarchy long before this system was proposed, usually in the form of a High Council.

Lake Superior's High Council has not met in maybe a year? There was infighting, then some idiots made us all look like fools the one time the EMs attended, then more infighting, then everyone stopped showing up. Losing the Magincia Parliament building screwed us over too.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

One other thing to keep in mind while y'all are tossing around all the ideas and potentially increasing what an EM's role is.... the EM's are basically a contracted position that puts in a max of 24 hours a month. Let me repeat that.. a max of twenty four hours a month ( http://www.uo.com/article/Hiring-Event-Moderators ). For that they are paid what? $100 range or so. So when you wonder why this shard gets X, Y or Z and shard Q does not get it... it very easily could be that Shard Q's EM has already hit that 24 hour max for that month. Some folks take a couple hours to knock out 5-10 pages of fiction while it takes another 10-12 hours to do that same amount of writing. So it is not always about this EM being lazy or that EM doing more than they should. Time management surely trips some of them up. *shrugs*

That being said, there are some suggestions in the thread that would quickly eat that 24 hours up every month, especially when you consider there are 9 different Governors.

Just throwing that out there...

 

[Flutter]

One other thing to keep in mind while y'all are tossing around all the ideas and potentially increasing what an EM's role is.... the EM's are basically a contracted position that puts in a max of 24 hours a month. Let me repeat that.. a max of twenty four hours a month ( http://www.uo.com/article/Hiring-Event-Moderators ). For that they are paid what? $100 range or so. So when you wonder why this shard gets X, Y or Z and shard Q does not get it... it very easily could be that Shard Q's EM has already hit that 24 hour max for that month. Some folks take a couple hours to knock out 5-10 pages of fiction while it takes another 10-12 hours to do that same amount of writing. So it is not always about this EM being lazy or that EM doing more than they should. Time management surely trips some of them up. *shrugs*

That being said, there are some suggestions in the thread that would quickly eat that 24 hours up every month, especially when you consider there are 9 different Governors.

Just throwing that out there...

Just remember, not all shards are getting their $100 worth.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Just remember, not all shards are getting their $100 worth.

lol.... Well, I mean those EM's could be having continual writers block lol

 

[Jerec KTM]

Exactly what Deco do we have? The guards in Britain are there because I weaved my cities RP with the storyline the EM had.

Perhaps if you guys do the same....

Skara Brae:
Arcane Circle by the bank
Water fountains throughout the town
Campaign Books locked down at city stone for incumbent Governors to write campaign letter


Serpent's Hold: (which was done at player request for sure)
Lanterns
Tables
Chairs

Vesper:
Lanterns
Flowers
Water fountain by the bank
Stable by bank
Campaign Books locked down at city stone for incumbent Governors to write campaign letter

Minoc:
gold decorative armor

Trinsic:
Campaign Books locked down at city stone for incumbent Governors to write campaign letter

Both Jhelom and Skara Brae have seen their Counselor Halls deco'd.


My hope is none of this is deleted, but the fact is we have stuff on Atlantic that is not on other shards at all.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

Just to keep along the point I was making above... most all of that "deco" was locked by EM Bennu if I am not mistaken, and when it comes to fiction he strikes me as the type that can knock out 30 pages of the stuff in an hour.

Just sayin'

 

[Jerec KTM]

Just to keep along the point I was making above... most all of that "deco" was locked by EM Bennu if I am not mistaken, and when it comes to fiction he strikes me as the type that can knock out 30 pages of the stuff in an hour.

Just sayin'

So if you are not mistaken, an EM did lock down all this deco. You also state its probably cause he turns out his fiction in a couple of hours and has the rest of the time to interact with the shard. That is great, and I love it. I love the deco. I love the sprucing up of the cities. I love adding items that make sense such as arcane circles and the stable in Vesper.

My original post raised that this is the complete opposite of what was said on Great Lakes. They said this is not allowed, almost 100x. The governors' meeting devolved into an hour plus whine fest between some people of New Magincia over banners and that the EM can't lock anything down for them. It really was a waste of time for all of the governors involved, and probably for the EMs too. This is causing a huge problem of having different rules on different shards. It makes my brain squishy, but can you really blame the people who showed up and hijacked the meeting over the banner and lockdowns when they KNOW it is happening on other shards? I don't play Baja, but I've heard it listed many times as well by the disenfranchised players on Great Lakes.

I'm not a psychic, so I don't know the reasoning for the difference between the two shards. I do know that Great Lakes has two EMs, so that is 48 hours of time they have available to themselves. Cuffing them and not allowing them to deco during that time while other shards are allowed to do so just creates massive headaches in the player base.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

I guess that is my problem when it comes to any possible inconsistencies when it comes to the EM program, I never hit other shards unless it's to swap anniv gifts or something. Then I take a look at how things stand on Atlantic and see how Bennu gets slammed by griefers a good bit. Yet I know the job he does there is great so I get into a mindset where anyone saying something negative about any EM is just the griefers... then come here and see folks talking about issues with their EM and I automatically assume it's just the griefers.... hope that makes sense.... it flows better in my head lol

 

[Pandora_CoD]

Then you are living in wonderland.


FYI Flutter: Most EM's seem to run their Meetings towards the end of each month. As a Governor myself I enjoy it that way.

Flutter isn't addressing WHEN the meeting will happen as much as she's addressing the LACK of communication to the general public on our shard about it. I support my EM's, they are good friends, but in comparison to what other shards' EM's are doing, I agree with Flutter 100%.

Pandy

 

[Pandora_CoD]

I also want to retiterate:

We are not EMs.
We have been given a new system to strengthen our RP and help feel connected to our new King.
This is not a system designed to just start decorating our banks

Do not reduce the governor system to delusions of RP grandeur. The original goal for this system was to allow FEEDBACK from players to be funneled through a single person for a single term for any one city for us as players "to be more involved in the game and affect improvements" that are unique to our shards. That was a quote from Mesanna herself when she introduced the system one year ago. We are supposed to be present improvements and then get a special meeting with the Dev team to make those changes a reality. That's a lot of power in itself, but the problem comes when our "King" and his "subjects" are overwhelmed with their own services as EM's. The RP is secondary to that and I speak as a serious, hard core RP'er for my shard (one of many). To say that this system was EXCLUSIVELY built for RP is not at all accurate.

<--- First 15 minutes of this video states it very clearly.

 

[Pandora_CoD]

Someone who was accused of "hacking the vote stones" on Catskills because she had more friends than the competition.

That is what POLITICS is all about... you know that. Soliciting votes from friends and other citizens is part of the game. Soooo if the game ALLOWS for cross-shard votes, why not take advantage of that? Until they disallow that, its fair game. Do I myself do it? Yes, I did log into my Europa characters to help a friend out, also helped a friend of a friend with my Pacific character. Did I already have characters on those shards? You bet your butt I did... I have a "Pandora" on EVERY shard on all three of my accounts. So I do not feel one ounce of guilt for that. Its how its designed... WORKING AS INTENDED.

Pandy

 

[Pandora_CoD]

I honestly think some of you don't understand how some of the systems in this game work.

Funny, I think the same thing about you.

 

[Petra Fyde]

This system is in its infancy - Like any system in game we have been given the tools, it's up to the players what they make of it.
As evidenced by several people where the elected governor is involved with the players it works well, where they're not, it doesn't and some people would not be satisfied with anything less than dev powers for the governor.
There have been far too many personal attacks and too much undeserved 'dev bashing' in this thread to allow it to continue.