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Post Your Ideas Here to Repopulate Shards (Sorry Not Atlantic)

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Goldberg-Chessy

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My point was I have known way too many returning players and new players alike try to thrive in UO, but found their desolate shards to be inhospitable deserts. I almost think Atlantians either don't care or fail to understand the dire situation out of ignorance. Hence these insensitive remarks. I wouldn't be receiving likes on this post or constructive criticism if it was not a legitimate issue that not only needs to be addressed. It desperately needs to be resolved and I am open to any thoughtful ideas that could help if even just a little.
1) Dire situation? No offense but the only thing I see here is a bunch of gold for cash dealers looking for new customers. What's the matter? Atlantic customers drained their paypal accounts so we need to move to new shards? That's healthy for UO how?

2) Does anyone really believe that random 'likes' validate anything said by anyone? That's funny.

3) Does anyone really believe that the tiny fraction of the player base represented on these boards really has what's best for UO in mind? Half of the people posting here aren't even playing anymore but just cant seem to shake their nostalgic obsession.

Atlantic is thriving and a few other shards are doing pretty well. The game is still being maintained and updated by a good dev team.
If everybody would stop whining about dead shards and employee layoffs maybe they could just play the game and enjoy it.
 

Petra Fyde

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Use help chat.
Say 'hello' in it when you log in
Be around to help new and returning players when they show up so that they're more likely to stick around.
I've suggested it before, and just been told 'no one uses help chat'. Well why not? It's where the trial account players are. Be there to welcome them and help them get established in the game.
It works on Europa.
 

Smoot

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I fail to see how having a house on every shard will repopulate the other shards. You can only play one shard at a time right? Population means people, not housing.

I'm not saying its a bad idea, id love to have a house on each shard. I just prefer being a shard with more people rather than lots of houses.
It much easier to start with a house on a second shard. i would play another shard more if i could have a house. i would just limit it, a 10 by 10 would enough. it just makes it so much easier to establish a playable base. a place to transfer things between characters (currently i have to "hide" the stuff i transfer and just pick it up off the ground) also a place to horde stuff to unravel, easy way of income, and affordable gear via imbue.
 

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Shard Merge is IMPOSSIBLE. Only way this would be possible is if your entire house full of 2500 items could be placed in another space. I cant imagine this happening without massive bugs.

This could only begin to be possible if a new land mass were created for the "small" shard, where all the castles and keeps that are easily placed would all fit in.
 

Petra Fyde

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It much easier to start with a house on a second shard. i would play another shard more if i could have a house. i would just limit it, a 10 by 10 would enough. it just makes it so much easier to establish a playable base. a place to transfer things between characters (currently i have to "hide" the stuff i transfer and just pick it up off the ground) also a place to horde stuff to unravel, easy way of income, and affordable gear via imbue.
I spent 6 months on another shard. I eventually returned to my home shard and those chars are mothballed with full banks and mounted on fully loaded giant beetles, however for some time I lived quite happily on 2 Tokuno ships parked behind Jhelom bank. Items I wanted to share between characters were stored in the boats' holds.
 

Smoot

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I spent 6 months on another shard. I eventually returned to my home shard and those chars are mothballed with full banks and mounted on fully loaded giant beetles, however for some time I lived quite happily on 2 Tokuno ships parked behind Jhelom bank. Items I wanted to share between characters were stored in the boats' holds.
Good idea i had forgotten about boats. They still decay tho right?
 

DJAd

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Boats are fine until you go on holiday or forget to login for about a week.
 

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There is a comment on this thread an I can't recall who said it but mentioned about how returning players come back and find out their friends had moved on to ATL, or something close to that, and they are left on a deserted shard and quit.

Who is at fault? Not the player who stayed loyal and continued to play UO and wanted to play with a larger community after their friends had quit for an x amount of time ( months or years).

So they should have to move back to their old shard because Jack and Jill came back or thinking of come back only to see them leave again if they don't like the game anymore after a month or so? No they should not. It's up to Jack and Jill to decide what they want to do.


On to other parts of this thread,

Having an option to have a house on another shard isn't going to guarantee that anybody is going to play on that shard. It's just about having it and just in case I may need it. Just like the stories I read about people having bomb shelters for a nuclear war back in the cold war days. Old, outdated and never used. Most don't even exist now days. Oh the new craze, if there is a zombie apocolypse or huge civil war there are these new shelters that people are getting. I feel it will be the same end result as the one before.


Petra said it best. Get in help chat to see if there are players that are actually trying out your shard. The option is there but to say I dont use it for whatever reason then that is your fault. A new player or returning vet on trial accounts just seeing what UO is like now days is talking to nada then? Trial accounts suck anyway for returning vets because you are limited so any new changes or additions you can't really see because you get one hit killed by the passing wind if they are not careful.


Who is hanging out at New Haven all day? Dropping stuff off on the ground is one thing but if they dont know how to use it or what it is for then it doesn't do them any good. So who is sitting at New Haven all day waiting to help a new player? The true question is...who wants to sit all freaking day hoping to see a body actually moving that isn't a npc and needs help?

I said it before and it all falls on the community. Hold events, announce them, ask people to do things or join up to try something. Ask the pvpers if you all can just spawn one time a week and sahe on some scroll or a harry once a month. The PvPers are part of any shards community just as much as the PvE'rs. You all, both sides, Jack and Jill, PvPers and PvErs, have to communicate and work together.


Things a PvErs can ask PvPers

1) Hey can you teach me how to PvP?

2) Can you hold a PvP seminar?

3) Can you all guard our spawn from other raiders and we share the scrolls?

4) Hey, can we be friends?



Things a PvPer can ask PvErs

1) Why do you keep coming to fel? (joke)

2) Want to lean how to do a spawn and watch out for raiders?

3) Want to work a Harry for us while we kill any other raiders that come and share the loot?

4) Hey, can we be friends?


EM events and story arc are way to spread out. Just hold in game events on your shard. Make your shard look busy, feel busy, and active. Guess what?!? It becomes more active. Post on your shard forums, work with other guilds with their events or hold events together. Have events every day. Big or small. Do a daily run through all the Abyss dungeon just a group or army and be free looting ro share the loot at the end evenly. Just do it as Nike said! The work pays off in the end. A smaller but tight community can be just as fun as a larger community. Your community may grow because you may do more than the larger community. People just want to be part of something. It just depends on your shard and what the community of that shard is willing to do. Putting aside your differences seem the biggest hurdle you have to clear first.
 

Aran

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You want the biggest turn off in this game and ALT is by far the worse. Listen to all the so-called ADULTS in Chat Chan. Why the hell would any new player stay around after hearing that all day, every day. Tell the children to grow up. Why would anybody want to listen to that on the most populated shards. Next you will say dont listen, BS, tell the little kiddies to have some respect for other people. Make your own chan, guess what, thier need for others to hear is so great that they follow where the most people can hear all thier BS.
Honestly, UO's General channel is tame on every server compared to the chat in any other game I've played, free to play or pay to play.
 

SlobberKnocker

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you guys are funny. just forget shard mergers. the dev's have emphatically stated this will not happen.

new sub's. that would fix a lot. however how to attract them without an ad budget?

the game is 15/16 years old now. my favorite bar in Greenwich village n.y.c which I regularly frequent has been in business since 1945. guess what? building was sold and it's closing the end of sept.

point: all things in life run there course.

enjoy UO for as long as you have it. log in. talk to people. play in the sandbox. support the uo store, even if you can buy it cheaper in game or 3rd party with gold.

on the day the server shuts down, tip a glass in remembrance of the entertainment it gave you and move on with your life.
 

Lord Frodo

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Honestly, UO's General channel is tame on every server compared to the chat in any other game I've played, free to play or pay to play.
So that is your reason that the little kiddies can't grow up. Well they do it in other games so it must be OK. This is UO and has a much older player base than most, if not all, games out there but you would never know it by the Chat Chan.
 

Aran

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So that is your reason that the little kiddies can't grow up. Well they do it in other games so it must be OK. This is UO and has a much older player base than most, if not all, games out there but you would never know it by the Chat Chan.
Nope, just stating that it's not as bad as it could be.
 

Goldberg-Chessy

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So that is your reason that the little kiddies can't grow up. Well they do it in other games so it must be OK. This is UO and has a much older player base than most, if not all, games out there but you would never know it by the Chat Chan.
No offense but if it bothers you so much just log out or into a different channel. Its no big deal unless you let it bug you. If you have weird issues because you feel you are forced to leave a channel that's your bag bro.
Do you go to the food court in your local mall or the playground in town and get upset because the teenage punks there are talking dumb **** all day and night?
Or do you try to avoid those areas when shopping and walking so that you don't have to hear it?
 

Lord Frodo

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No offense but if it bothers you so much just log out or into a different channel. Its no big deal unless you let it bug you. If you have weird issues because you feel you are forced to leave a channel that's your bag bro.
Do you go to the food court in your local mall or the playground in town and get upset because the teenage punks there are talking dumb **** all day and night?
Or do you try to avoid those areas when shopping and walking so that you don't have to hear it?
So what you are saying is that we should cater to the little kiddies and thier PvP BS and if everybody took your advice then they would just follow everybody to the new chan. because you know they have to have everybody listen to thier BS. Why dont the little kiddies grow up or make thier own chan. Oh wait then thier would be no one there to listen to thier BS. And we really wounder why when new players hear all this BS that they do not stick around. Why play a game that looks like all there is is a bunch of little kids running around spouting a bunch of BS.

I like this "wierd issues", LOL 21 years in the Navy and let me tell you the only people that have a dirtier mouth than sailors is a group of women behind closed doors when no males are around. We want New Players then it is time UO cleans up itsa act and looks like a game someone might want to play. My 3 year old grandchildren are more adult then the little kiddies in Gen Chat.
 

Martell

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So what you are saying is that we should cater to the little kiddies and thier PvP BS and if everybody took your advice then they would just follow everybody to the new chan. because you know they have to have everybody listen to thier BS. Why dont the little kiddies grow up or make thier own chan. Oh wait then thier would be no one there to listen to thier BS. And we really wounder why when new players hear all this BS that they do not stick around. Why play a game that looks like all there is is a bunch of little kids running around spouting a bunch of BS.

I like this "wierd issues", LOL 21 years in the Navy and let me tell you the only people that have a dirtier mouth than sailors is a group of women behind closed doors when no males are around. We want New Players then it is time UO cleans up itsa act and looks like a game someone might want to play. My 3 year old grandchildren are more adult then the little kiddies in Gen Chat.

The one who needs to grow up and get with the times is you. As others have said it's like there's griefing, trolling, and trash talk in all online games. No one else considers this a game breaking thing but you. If you want real trash talking get an xbox and play call of duty. Grow up and get over it you salty sailor.
 

Goldberg-Chessy

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So what you are saying is that we should cater to the little kiddies and thier PvP BS and if everybody took your advice then they would just follow everybody to the new chan. because you know they have to have everybody listen to thier BS. Why dont the little kiddies grow up or make thier own chan. Oh wait then thier would be no one there to listen to thier BS. And we really wounder why when new players hear all this BS that they do not stick around. Why play a game that looks like all there is is a bunch of little kids running around spouting a bunch of BS.

I like this "wierd issues", LOL 21 years in the Navy and let me tell you the only people that have a dirtier mouth than sailors is a group of women behind closed doors when no males are around. We want New Players then it is time UO cleans up itsa act and looks like a game someone might want to play. My 3 year old grandchildren are more adult then the little kiddies in Gen Chat.
Get over it.

Nobody said cater to anyone. You appear to be the only one catering to it by fixating on it so much.

I simply stated that it is easily ignored the same way you ignore things of that nature in your everyday life.
 

Tina Small

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No one else considers this a game breaking thing but you.
Frodo's not the only one who hates general chat. I think the rest of us have just given up on seeing it removed or even policed. Talking about it or most other gripes/concerns people have with UO these days is almost pointless, as I don't think the dev team really cares at this point or has the ability to do much about things even if they do.

As for me, I'll tell you that on most shards, I can't stand listening to general chat. The notable exceptions are Sonoma, Siege, and the Asian shards. There are a few other shards where the general chat isn't all about buying and selling or PvP trash talking. However, some days it gets tiresome on those other shards to leave general chat on because certain people seem to think that everyone "out there" is interested in listening to their chatter that really is better suited to alliance or guild chat (e.g., someone can't find something in their own house or a guild house or is making arrangements with a guild or alliance mate to meet up with them for a spot of fishing). These same folks who seem so chatty all freeze up or give the cold shoulder to someone whose name they don't recognize when that person attempts to join a conversation about some mundane topic, e.g., someone asking for tips on how to do something. You make a comment while you're on a new character you're playing and you're just completely ignored.

Or worse yet, if you make the mistake of saying something in general chat on an unrecognized character on a day when there is going to be an EM event, you are subjected to snotty, snide comments about "off-sharders."

And sometimes, when you happen to try to join in a conversation while on an unrecognized character, the local busy-body will give you their version of the inquisition (including WHERE IS YOUR HOUSE LOCATED AND WHO OWNS IT). You end up feeling as if the only reason anyone even wants to talk to you for a few minutes is to determine how much stuff you'll have and whether it will be worth waiting on if and when your house starts to collapse. On some shards, if you give the impression that you're planning to just slowly work on your characters and aren't going to be spending millions or billions buying up stuff, then you aren't worth talking to. I know this isn't true of all shards, but I've run into it on a couple of shards and I have no doubt that others have to. It's not quite as bad as hearing, "Go away noob, we don't want you on our shard" (yes, I've heard people say that in chat), but it still leaves me feeling like there are some people playing UO who really aren't interested in seeing new people come to their precious little shard to stay for the long-term, but rather just long enough to fill up a house, lose interest in UO, and let the house collapse.

I don't know what the solution is. I just know that I'm really not that impressed with general chat. There are a lot of times that I think it's done the game more harm than good. I think that in many ways it's made joining a guild less important and also made people less dependent on other tools, such as forums like Stratics or guild and alliance forums, for communicating. Maybe "chat" provides some kind of instant gratification of sorts for the people who are using it. But does it really help build a community, especially when there's no history for it, no reporting, no record that can be accessed by other people who might have been interested in the conversations but just weren't around at the time? Is it just a coincidence that shard populations and the shard forums here on Stratics all seemed to fall into a real nose dive about the time general chat became so enmeshed into our game play, or is it possibly a direct result of some of the less desirable aspects of the in-game chat feature?
 

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I actually wish everyone PvPing would join their own channel to trash talk each other. It'd be very adult of them, if they claim to be adults. Instead all day I hear "iCarley is a loser!" "NUH UH Explicit is a jerk!" "HAHAHA HOW MANY GUYS YOU PAIN GUYS NEED TO COME KILL TWO OF US?!?!?!" and, you know, that's sanitized for posting on UHall.
 

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All I see is wah wah wah..a bit like Gen Chat!

..you're just whining in a different fashion at a different outlet over a different subject. Which just happens to be whining and trash talkin in gen chat..confused? I am!
 

Aran

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All I see is wah wah wah..a bit like Gen Chat!

..you're just whining in a different fashion at a different outlet over a different subject. Which just happens to be whining and trash talkin in gen chat..confused? I am!
iCarley is that you?
 

Aran

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Three pages of comments, I have like two posts in the thread, and somehow it's mostly from me?
 

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Three pages of comments, I have like two posts in the thread, and somehow it's mostly from me?
I was going to troll and say, "a thread about repopulating shards? no wonder Aran is posting" ;P but someone is already trolling! Boo. :p I just read title of OP and I'm immature. But hm. Personally, I never use general chat except for EM events. I'm not quite sure how people care to use it otherwise.

As far as repopulating shards...I think the problem is Alpha used to have children, and we no longer have them since Beta. So I think the problem is we can't physically repopulate shards. :( /troll
 

SlobberKnocker

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ohhhh army,

icarley is a loser. someone owes me a new motherboard because ispit my coffee all over the monitor reading this. aran thinking your icarley is hysterical as well.

to Frodo,

where are these women behind closed doors that speak dirtier than sailors? I would so very much like to pay them a visit.

hubba hubba.
 

cazador

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ohhhh army,

icarley is a loser. someone owes me a new motherboard because ispit my coffee all over the monitor reading this. aran thinking your icarley is hysterical as well.

to Frodo,

where are these women behind closed doors that speak dirtier than sailors? I would so very much like to pay them a visit.

hubba hubba.
Maybe I'm not vocal enough in-game anymore :'( maybe I should remedy that >:[
 

Warpig Inc

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I actually wish everyone PvPing would join their own channel to trash talk each other. It'd be very adult of them, if they claim to be adults. Instead all day I hear "iCarley is a loser!" "NUH UH Explicit is a jerk!" "HAHAHA HOW MANY GUYS YOU PAIN GUYS NEED TO COME KILL TWO OF US?!?!?!" and, you know, that's sanitized for posting on UHall.
 

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In order to repopulate the shards and bring fresh blood to UO we'd first need to get away from EA and their mismanagement.... People who've played for 15 years can't pay for their accounts or buy things from the Origin store how do we expect a newb to try to manage that?

If we could get past that then maybe we might have some hope of getting new players... or returning players. But the nightmare of trying to give EA Money is too frustrating for most. I have had 2 or 3 people come back to UO in the last few weeks and trying to help them get their accounts back and get help to get their accounts back has been extremely stressful... UO is supposed to be FUN ...... it can't be fun if it is frustrating you at every turn.

And currently I think Great Lakes's population is just fine where it is.... infact sometimes I'd like to see it have LESS of a population.

As far as getting folk to transfer to other shards goes ... One thing that keeps me from leaving besides having a history of GL's and it's people..... is I have 9 accounts.... I'm not moving 56 characters to another shard. Any idea how much that would cost??????? If I could buy a Transfer your account token where I can transfer my whole account it deeds up my house and I place it somewhere on the new shard fine..... I'd do that. But to buy 56 Transfer tokens or even just half that would be INSANE.... and I'm not about to do it.

And I am not about to restart all over from scratch on a new shard.... or just move this or that char..... eventually I'd want this one or that other one .... etc..... and I'd miss the ones left behind. And if I just brought skills over you know how much it'd cost to get all new stat and Skill scrolls???? TOO MUCH.

This is the thought of more than just me. Just simply isn't worth the expense. Easier to stay put.


Now I like the idea of a second house token.... I'd buy that. Even if I couldn't place on my current shard... I'd buy that.
 

Tina Small

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As far as getting folk to transfer to other shards goes ... One thing that keeps me from leaving besides having a history of GL's and it's people..... is I have 9 accounts.... I'm not moving 56 characters to another shard. Any idea how much that would cost??????? If I could buy a Transfer your account token where I can transfer my whole account it deeds up my house and I place it somewhere on the new shard fine..... I'd do that. But to buy 56 Transfer tokens or even just half that would be INSANE.... and I'm not about to do it.

And I am not about to restart all over from scratch on a new shard.... or just move this or that char..... eventually I'd want this one or that other one .... etc..... and I'd miss the ones left behind. And if I just brought skills over you know how much it'd cost to get all new stat and Skill scrolls???? TOO MUCH.

This is the thought of more than just me. Just simply isn't worth the expense. Easier to stay put.

I have a couple of accounts that have finished or close-to-finished characters on multiple shards.. If there were ever a shard merger, forced or otherwise, I'd be very irritated about losing those characters, all the gold invested in their scrolls, recipes, and time spent training them because I truly doubt EA would expand the character slots we have on each shard just to accommodate people like me who have worked on making viable characters on every shard. And it wouldn't be fair to say that we have to buy soulstones or use up vet rewards to acquire soulstones to save the skills if there was no room for the character to move to the new shard. It would be bad enough trying to deal with this situation if you were an active player when the merger happened. Imagine how much it would irritate people who might not be playing at the time and didn't have any say in which characters got deleted in the event of a shard merger if they already had too many characters on the new shard to take on characters that might be automatically moved from a closed shard? It would be a real mess and I think it would drive away far more players than it would ever attract.
 

Petra Fyde

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This thread has gone beyond anything useful.
For those who are so upset by general chat I'll again recommend using 'help' instead. It's where you'll find the new and returning players who need your help to become established in the game. Trial accounts cannot access general chat. On Europa it's where you'll find me, and Mim Foxglove, the owner of the New Player house. Some of you should visit that house and see what she's done, maybe copy it to your shards. It's easy to get to, it's one screen south of Trinsic Moongate on the bank of the river.
Boycott general chat and leave it to the pvpers. I did once suggest the addition of a permanent pvp chat. It's not wanted. In a dedicated pvp chat they couldn't get a 'rise' out of people who dislike their gutter language.
 
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