What have they done to Shame?

[Miriandel]

Been on and off since '97, coming back after a 3 years break (dang, time flies by...), hit Shame 2 to kill some air elems to get back in rythm and... no air elems!
Instead of which there are some other elems whose I wish I never read the name, they kill my vortex before it can do any damage and my trustworthy Corp Por seems to hit for 20 on a bazillion HPs monster.



I logged off and want on my mountain bike for the afternoon.

Seriously, if who's in charge wants to *self censored* with the game, go ahead and create new dungeons, but for messing with mythic (no pun intended) places like Shame, I've got only one thing to say: BUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

 

[Frarc]

Things change.

 

[DJAd]

Shame along with a few of the other dungeons have undergone a revamp. See here for more details: http://uo2.stratics.com/essays-and-guides/shame-dungeon-re-vamp-a-guided-tour

 

[Eärendil]

Dont forget to loot there. Stuff is much better now...

 

[cazador]

Shame revamp was a good addition I think..now if they would just make an awesome doom revamp we'd be in business!

 

[cazador]

Maybe make the fel dungeons have something worth traveling to for..other than Harry's they are quite dead..I farmed literally for 5 hours and didnt see one soul..except for that pesky script miner..he wasn't very good company for very long..but I did block his recall spot.. sorry Sir MineAlot!

 

[BeaIank]

What they've done to Shame was awesome.
So was what was done to Wrong and Covetous.

Now... Despise... Oh Despise, my Despise.
They've destroyed it throughly.

 

[hen]

Shame was the only half-decent revamp. Although they refused to give "A Cave Troll the Wall Guardian" a non-ridiculous name and made him a re-hued ogre as they thought a re-hued troll looked dumb. Then they brought in re-hued trolls with Wrong.
The Void Pool would be worth playing if the craftsman rewards were worth it. They're not. Wrong is a dump and Despise was just a complete atrocity.

 

[Viper09]

Welcome back.

A number of people like to complain about the new changes to the dungeons, but some seem to forget that the ones in fel haven't changed So if you want the older content you can always go to fel.

 

[hen]

Welcome back.

A number of people like to complain about the new changes to the dungeons, but some seem to forget that the ones in fel haven't changed So if you want the older content you can always go to fel.

Covetous, Wrong and Shame have changes in Fel.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Covetous, Wrong and Shame have changes in Fel.

And, per the "Legendary Artifacts" thread, the loot is better, which is interesting because I keep reading that there's been no content in Fel for a dozen years and that there's no reason to go there because you can get the same stuff in Tram.

Oh well.

-Galen's player

 

[hen]

And, per the "Legendary Artifacts" thread, the loot is better, which is interesting because I keep reading that there's been no content in Fel for a dozen years and that there's no reason to go there because you can get the same stuff in Tram.

Oh well.

-Galen's player

Having farmed Shame thoroughly on both facets I can't say I've noticed any difference. But if you want to use yet another thread to needle Felucca players, fire away.

 

[DJAd]

I really like alot of the dungeon revamps due to the loot system. I'm not really a big fan of despise (trammel) though. If they are not planning on revamping the other dungeons it would be good if they rolled out the new loot system across the board at least.

 

[cazador]

It's the EXACT same intensity drop in fel or tram..I've farmed both for months and believe it or not all my "LEET" pieces came from the tram side..the only reason to farm fel is double resources..and in dungeons with the new revamps that's close to impossible for miners..there is ZERO reason to go to fel shame over tram..it's the same crap, only difference is I can kill your afk sampire in fel..so why risk it.

 

[hen]

It's the EXACT same intensity drop in fel or tram..I've farmed both for months and believe it or not all my "LEET" pieces came from the tram side..the only reason to farm fel is double resources..and in dungeons with the new revamps that's close to impossible for miners..there is ZERO reason to go to fel shame over tram..it's the same crap, only difference is I can kill your afk sampire in fel..so why risk it.

Apparently the Fel guardians drop whetstone components 100% of the time whereas the Trammel ones do not. I can't confirm this as I have only fought them in Fel.

 

[cazador]

Apparently the Fel guardians drop whetstone components 100% of the time whereas the Trammel ones do not. I can't confirm this as I have only fought them in Fel.

I've done about 10 1st floor guardians and never got one..maybe it's 99% and I'm unlucky

 

[hen]

I've done about 10 1st floor guardians and never got one..maybe it's 99% and I'm unlucky

I've always had them drop from the guardians. The one on level three would be a royal pain to kill if I couldn't honour myself as he hides behind around ten of his pals.
The whetstones sit on my vendor at 1 mill though and don't sell.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Having farmed Shame thoroughly on both facets I can't say I've noticed any difference. But if you want to use yet another thread to needle Felucca players, fire away.

I'm going by the "Legendary Artifacts" thread, as stated, and have no other basis with which to judge it. Source was cited in full, no other sources were claimed or implied.

My target wasn't Fel players but those who claim that there's nothing there which of course ignores all the stuff that has been put there. If you think that's all Fel players, and that I'm needling all of them by my post, then I guess I can't dispute your opinion/analysis, but I thought of it as a sub-set.

-Galen's player

 

[cazador]

Name 10 items in fel worth getting and no you can't list off all 120 scrolls worth anything and then I'll name 30 in tram..give me a break Galen..you can fight the fact tooth and nail, but the fact still remains. Fel hasn't received anything worth a damn in 10+ years..and please stop with the garbage deco in the abyss/lich spawn..I'm talking in comparison to tram exclusive items as in Slither/Crimson..I'll wait till I make my list but you catch my drift.

 

[Petra Fyde]

crimson isn't exclusive to tram. It spawns on peerless. Chief Paroxysmus, Lady Melisande, Shimmering Effusion all spawn in Felucca.

I quite regularly use the dungeons to steal lotions and balms too - minor, but useful items that don't spawn in tram dungeons.

 

[Merus]

Apparently the Fel guardians drop whetstone components 100% of the time whereas the Trammel ones do not. I can't confirm this as I have only fought them in Fel.

I believe this is true. I have never not gotten a drop from the fel side guardians.

 

[Merus]

Been on and off since '97, coming back after a 3 years break (dang, time flies by...), hit Shame 2 to kill some air elems to get back in rythm and... no air elems!
Instead of which there are some other elems whose I wish I never read the name, they kill my vortex before it can do any damage and my trustworthy Corp Por seems to hit for 20 on a bazillion HPs monster.



I logged off and want on my mountain bike for the afternoon.

Seriously, if who's in charge wants to *self censored* with the game, go ahead and create new dungeons, but for messing with mythic (no pun intended) places like Shame, I've got only one thing to say: BUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

I think once you get over the initial shock of the changes, you will find shame very much to your liking. Will it require a different strategy than it used to, sure. I miss the days of my naked mage with a halbred doing exp + ebolt + hally = dead air ele... but times change. By comparison... the loot you can get off the earth eles and mud pies just inside the door will blow the doors of anything you used to get from those same old air eles you miss.

 

[Lythos-]

I'm going by the "Legendary Artifacts" thread, as stated, and have no other basis with which to judge it. Source was cited in full, no other sources were claimed or implied.

My target wasn't Fel players but those who claim that there's nothing there which of course ignores all the stuff that has been put there. If you think that's all Fel players, and that I'm needling all of them by my post, then I guess I can't dispute your opinion/analysis, but I thought of it as a sub-set.

-Galen's player

You always target fel players with your baby back babble. Fel players don't get the hello kitty luxury of recalling straight to their farm spot. If don't see this as hurting fel players, then YOU try walking from the entrance to the EVs in shame.

Back on topic. Shame revamp had potential but most of the dungeon is overlooked due to such high damage output mobs being stacked 5-6 together in most spots. This makes it almost impossible to do anything in these areas so they're overlooked.

Wrong looked like it was made by a preschooler with so many different things piled together. And Despise I tried for 2min before deciding Farmville would have more entertainment value.

All in all, my fel playstyle has been overlooked, neglected and even condemned/ridiculed on here so I've decided to call it a day and toss my money to a company that actually cares about all the playstyles it produces, not just the most vocal crybabies.

 

[BeaIank]

Back on topic. Shame revamp had potential but most of the dungeon is overlooked due to such high damage output mobs being stacked 5-6 together in most spots. This makes it almost impossible to do anything in these areas so they're overlooked.

This is quite true in level 3 and 4 at Shame.
Too many of the spots have far too many monsters stacked together.
Air elementals, blood elementals, wind elementals, diseased blood elemental, those unbelievable boring and too powerful crazed mages that aren't worth the 15 minutes you will waste killing them and so on.
If the spawn wasn't so thick for those or so close together, they would be more enjoyable to hunt.

 

[cazador]

crimson isn't exclusive to tram. It spawns on peerless. Chief Paroxysmus, Lady Melisande, Shimmering Effusion all spawn in Felucca.

I quite regularly use the dungeons to steal lotions and balms too - minor, but useful items that don't spawn in tram dungeons.

Ah yes touché Petra..shows how often I farm..I should have just posted a link

http://www.uoguide.com/Artifacts_(Stygian_Abyss)

Everything in fel bundled together doesn't equal the value there..

Ok then lets get into resources for fel does get double resources!!

60k boards-400k (Legit farming..what 2-3 weeks)
10 essence(any kind)..- 100-300k (1-2 hours farming) pending shard..either way you look at it, even if they sold for 50k your profit to time ratio will always be higher in tram..period!

I'm sure I could make HUNDREDS of comparisons of why fel is so quiet..it has nothing to do with "play style" it has everything to do with it gets no love. Why go there when you can make wayyy more gold then in fel ANYDAY?

 

[G.v.P]

[...] they refused to give "A Cave Troll the Wall Guardian" a non-ridiculous name and made him a re-hued ogre as they thought a re-hued troll looked dumb. Then they brought in re-hued trolls with Wrong.

That was pretty funny. Ha. Shrugs.

Well, Air Eles @ Shame, and New Magincia Bazaar. All the loot and gold you could ever want, really.

 

[CovenantX]

Having farmed Shame thoroughly on both facets I can't say I've noticed any difference. But if you want to use yet another thread to needle Felucca players, fire away.

Same, I farmed for months (many many hours per week, more than I'd hoped) and I found 1 really good Major Artifact in fel, then less than a week later, I found a legendary in tram.(both items were 100% clean)

It's not significant enough to notice, considering I farm in fel at least 80% of my farming time.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if by "The loot in Fel has better drop chances than in Tram", if they were referring to the Whetstone reagents only.

That would make sense, as it's a 100% drop-rate in fel, probably around 10-20% drop in tram per mini boss kill.

 

[Warpig Inc]

Dont forget to loot there. Stuff is much better now...

Shame's worth depends on how many Garg race characters you have. The loot there is garg heavy. Wrong is better for just an elf human mix loot only. And they fixed the lizardmen to skin for spine leather. No better place to hunt and gather for your BOD filling.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Been on and off since '97, coming back after a 3 years break (dang, time flies by...), hit Shame 2 to kill some air elems to get back in rythm and... no air elems!
Instead of which there are some other elems whose I wish I never read the name, they kill my vortex before it can do any damage and my trustworthy Corp Por seems to hit for 20 on a bazillion HPs monster.



I logged off and want on my mountain bike for the afternoon.

Seriously, if who's in charge wants to *self censored* with the game, go ahead and create new dungeons, but for messing with mythic (no pun intended) places like Shame, I've got only one thing to say: BUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

Lol.

Sorry they didn't keep everything exactly as you like it for the 3 years you were away.

Should they text or email you every time they want to make a change from now on? Even when you stop paying/playing and take another 3 year break?

 

[Aran]

I love the changes to Shame.


And I hate everything.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Same, I farmed for months (many many hours per week, more than I'd hoped) and I found 1 really good Major Artifact in fel, then less than a week later, I found a legendary in tram.(both items were 100% clean)

It's not significant enough to notice, considering I farm in fel at least 80% of my farming time.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if by "The loot in Fel has better drop chances than in Tram", if they were referring to the Whetstone reagents only.

That would make sense, as it's a 100% drop-rate in fel, probably around 10-20% drop in tram per mini boss kill.

This is the thread I referred to:

http://stratics.com/community/threa...-clean-legendary-items-100-luck-is-ok.288182/

There's only a couple of times wherein the posters specified with facet; all but like 1 or 2 of those were in response to a query I made.

There was one clean legendary item that was from Trammel. While "legendary" in name, it wasn't as good as many of the other items posted. Certainly wasn't as useful as the Fel-gotten items posted.

I could swear that better chances of better stuff in Felucca were part of the original revamp announcement as well. However, I can't find it now, so for now I'll discount that and just base if off of that thread.

You may chalk it all up to coincidence if you like. The reasons I took us down this line at all --the insistence of some that Fel has nothing despite that believing this requires that one ignore or downplay an amount of somethings that proportionally dwarfs the player base in that facet-- are well-known and I keep posting them not in the hopes of convincing my opponents of reality, but so that their made up data does not become the conventional wisdom.

Tangential to the thread, and not at all my style, I know. Make of this what you will.

-Galen's player

 

[Warpig Inc]

What was put out before the revamp release is that Luck would have a greater effect on the quality of loot in fel over tram. In revamp dungeons luck boost the quality of loot. In old style nonrevamps areas kill loot quanity is effected by luck. Why if you have enough luck on Swoop will always have ten items and with little to no luck Swoop can have as low as 5 items to loot. Your chances at a virtue armor drop or a parrot from Swoop luck has no play on. RNG grinding there.

There is the Legendary stuff and how many mods they have. Problem is a character template's desired mods on an item is shorter then the number of mods a Legendary piece will have. If the revamp artifact armor & weapons just had a random 5-10 skill on it they might have been a worthy running grind. Talking random skills using the Sot & Soa list. Really how cool would it be to loot a gorget with 10 carpentry on it? Or 10 fishing? A 10 taming Wizardry titled leather gloves would be an epic bidding battle at an auction.

 

[Tina Small]

I could swear that better chances of better stuff in Felucca were part of the original revamp announcement as well. However, I can't find it now, so for now I'll discount that and just base if off of that thread.

I think this is the thread you're referring to, Galen: http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-publish-73-comes-to-test-center.253930/ . (The dev posts from that thread are isolated here: http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-publish-73-comes-to-test-center.253951/ .)

What Phoenix said about items found in Fel Shame is: "The difference with Felucca Shame is that items will have a slightly higher item property budget, and luck checks done for loot generation are given a significant bonus." Mesanna also said that there's a 100% drop rate from the elites in Fel.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I think this is the thread you're referring to, Galen: http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-publish-73-comes-to-test-center.253930/ . (The dev posts from that thread are isolated here: http://stratics.com/community/threads/uo-herald-publish-73-comes-to-test-center.253951/ .)

What Phoenix said about items found in Fel Shame is: "The difference with Felucca Shame is that items will have a slightly higher item property budget, and luck checks done for loot generation are given a significant bonus." Mesanna also said that there's a 100% drop rate from the elites in Fel.

Thank you. That's exactly what I remembered.

It's good to know I wasn't making up memories, merely looking for confirmation in the wrong place.

-Galen's player

 

[SlobberKnocker]

I like the new shame. u can go down to the air eles on 5 level and pull them across the bridge. each one drops a crystal and while I've not gotten anything leetly clean u do get a bunch of relic frags if you box up the loot to unravel.

I like the second level mud eles for a shot at good low mod jewelry though I've gotten nothing there either.

point is shame is easier to navigate then wrong imho.

fel tram is not even an argument regarding where the most sought after spendy gear can be found.

i'd love to see a dreadmare spawn with riders in fel. a good horsey will set u back a few hundy's these days. make the rider be an insanely hard mage with paragon speed.

 

[drcossack]

Now... Despise... Oh Despise, my Despise.
They've destroyed it throughly.

Yup. That made me so sad. I loved Ogre Lord Island in Tram Despise. Was one of my favorite hunting spots (right behind the Blood Dungeon), and they're no longer there. They're still available in Fel Despise as a faction monster, fortunately, but as far as I was able to tell, they're not as durable as the regular OL's & don't have as much gold. I didn't like that my pets (even a freaking HORSE) would get auto-stabled either...nor can you summon anything - that instant Dispel is annoying.

Shame itself was immensely enjoyable for me. It's no longer possible to just run through the first floor & avoid the few monsters you run into (and if you did have to fight any Earth Eles, you could kill everything in 1-2 hits.) The second and third floors were challenging as well - the Flame Elemental makes it all but impossible for a tamer to vet-heal (though Magery more than suffices, so that's a moot point), while the Air Elementals on level 3 are quite nasty in a group. I never got any further than the lvl 3 Air Eles though.

 

[BeaIank]

Yup. That made me so sad. I loved Ogre Lord Island in Tram Despise. Was one of my favorite hunting spots (right behind the Blood Dungeon), and they're no longer there. They're still available in Fel Despise as a faction monster, fortunately, but as far as I was able to tell, they're not as durable as the regular OL's & don't have as much gold. I didn't like that my pets (even a freaking HORSE) would get auto-stabled either...nor can you summon anything - that instant Dispel is annoying.

There's also three of them at that new New Haven mine, but that place is boring.
I used to love hunting at that island as well, and using Despise to train low level skill while still making a profit. Ettins were good for that.

The mini game they put there is... okay, the rewards are nice but they should have destroyed another dungeon for that other than Despise.

 

[Marquis de Sade 209]

they made it way better